Design Review Board
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · July 5, 2012
Minutes
DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION
MINUTES
THURSDAY, JULY 5, 2012
7:00 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
PRESENT: Steven Rowland, Chairman; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chair; Richard Martin;
Staci Mannion; Karen Cavotta; Rob DeMarco
ABSENT: Robert West
STAFF: Bradley Birge, Administrator Planning & Economic Development
CALL TO ORDER: Steven Rowland, Chairman called the meeting to order at 7:03 P.M.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
ANNOUNCEMENT OF RECORDING OF PROCEEDING:
Steven Rowland, Chairman stated the proceedings of this meeting are being taped for the benefit of the secretary. Because
the minutes are not a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript of the recording.
ADJOURNED APPLICATIONS:
4. 2012.054 PIZZA WORKS, 88 Henry Street, Architectural Review of sign in the Transect-5
District. Adjourned per applicant's request.
APPLICATIONS UNDER CONSIDERATION:
1. 2012.004 THIRSTY OWL WINE COMPANY & BISTRO, 184 South Broadway,
Architectural Review of mixed use building in the Transect-5 District.
RECUSAL:
Steven Rowland, Chairman, recused himself from this application.
Richard Martin, recused himself from this application.
Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman assumed the duties of the Chair for this application.
Agent: Lisa Hayes, Butler, Rowland and Mays Architects.
Ms. Hayes stated they are returning to the Board with information which was requested. Updated copies of elevations were
circulated to the Board. The applicant is here this evening for approval for Mass and Scale. Asphalt shingles which the
applicant tried to save and reuse on the tower area were beyond repair. New roofing material samples were provided to the
Board along with color samples of paint, which will match the cement board siding. Windows will have a historic double
hung look. Some leaded glass windows were salvaged and will be re-used. Metal roofing will be used on the majority of the
building. The applicant has not yet chosen a color and they will return to the Board with that.
The owner has decided to build brick side walls with capstone and a metal fence of black aluminum will be installed.
Lighting fixture examples were provided to the Board. The back entrance ceiling mounted fixture will come return before the
Board for approval when the final decision has been made. Columns and handrail brackets and signage have not yet been
chosen.
Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application.
None heard.
Discussion ensued among the Board regarding the color of the tower and landscaping of the area.,
Robert Demarco made a motion in the matter of the application of the Thirsty Owl Wine Company & Bistro, 184 South
Broadway, that the application be approved with the following conditions. Additional details required for: Color of metal
roof, brick walls and capstone, lighting (ceiling mounted fixture placement), columns, brackets, rails (color and material),
signage, and the back tower to be painted red.
Seconded by Staci Mannion.
Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman asked if there was any further discussion.
None heard.
VOTE:
Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Staci Mannion, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor;
Rob DeMarco, in favor
MOTION PASSES: 4-0
Steven Rowland, Chairman resumed his position on the Board.
Richard Martin resumed his position on the Board.
2. 2012.055 CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS FIREHOUSE, 60 Lake Avenue, Historic Review of windows in
the Urban Residential-4 District.
Steven Rowland, Chairman reviewed the project. Marvin replacement windows will be use. The windows will be 6 over 6 to
match those already existing in the building.
Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any questions from the Board.
None heard.
Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was anyone in the audience who wished to comment on this application.
None heard.
Rob DeMarco made a motion in the matter of the City of Saratoga Springs Firehouse, 60 Lake Avenue, that the application
be approved as submitted.
Seconded by Tamie Ehinger.
Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion.
None heard.
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VOTE:
Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin,
in favor; Staci Mannion, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor; Rob DeMarco in favor
MOTION PASSES: 6-0.
3. 2012.057 SARATOGA TRACKSIDE CONDOS, 115-125 Union Avenue, Historic Review of
basement doors in the Urban Residential-4 District.
RECUSAL:
Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, recused herself from this application.
Agent: Sandra Robinson.
Ms. Robinson stated the application is very straightforward. The new basement doors will have the same footprint as the
bilco doors which are currently in place. Color will be painted to match the existing trim and siding.
Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application.
None heard.
Karen Cavotta made a motion in the matter of the Saratoga Trackside Condos, 115-125 Union Avenue, that the application
be approved with the following conditions – footprint to match the existing bilco doors and the colors to match the existing
trim and siding.
Seconded by Richard Martin.
Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion.
None heard.
VOTE:
Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Staci Mannion, in favor;
Karen Cavotta, in favor; Rob DeMarco, in favor
MOTION PASSES: 5-0
Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman resumed her position on the Board.
NOTE: Agenda Items were heard out of order since there was no representation present for Agenda Item #4
at this time.
6. 2012.059.1 19 RAILROAD PLACE, 19 Railroad Place, Consideration of SEQRA Lead
Agency for commercial building in the Transect-6 District. (Architectural District).
Applicant: RR Depot, LLC
Agent: George Olsen, architect.
Mr. Olsen stated the site plan was provided to the Board. A video presentation was provided to the Board
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regarding the application. The applicant will be installing multiple theatres. The second floor will be all office and
commercial space. The applicant is reusing the building which sits here. It will be an extension of the existing footprint.
Sidewalks will be maintained from Market Center.
Steven Rowland, Chairman made a motion in the matter of 19 Railroad Place, 19 Railroad Place that the Design Review
Commission defer Lead Agency Status to the Planning Board.
Seconded by Richard Martin.
Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion.
None heard.
VOTE:
Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor;
Staci Mannion, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor; Rob DeMarco, in favor;
MOTION PASSES: 6-0
7. 2012.052 LENA LANE PATIO, Lena Lane, Architectural Review of Outdoor Patio in the
Transect-6 District.
Applicant: Jasper Alexander, Owner of Hatties; Joe Mack, Owner of 7 Horse Pub.
Applicants discussed stanchions, stanchion heights and lengths and possible fabrics. Signage was also discussed.
All fabrics for stanchions will be of solid colors but maybe of different colors.
Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application.
None heard.
Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, made a motion in the matter of Lena Lane Patio, Lena Lane, that the application be
approved with the following conditions - That the applicant will return for administrative approval if and when the applicant
decides to move forward with signage on the mesh panels and colors.
Seconded by Staci Mannion.
Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion.
None heard.
VOTE:
Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor;
Staci Mannion, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor; Rob DeMarco, in favor;
MOTION PASSES: 6-0
NOTE: No representative present for Agenda Item #5. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated they will move forward with this
application based upon the Board's notes from the caravan and workshop.
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5. 2012.056 EATON RESIDENCE, 199 Regent Street, Architectural Review of fence and
gate in the Urban Residential-3 District.
Steven Rowland, Chairman stated the Board discussed this application following the caravan. This is a tight narrow
driveway. They have small children and would like to keep them in the yard. We spoke to the owner and the fence gate will
not be swinging as provided in the sketch but it will be of a folding type.
Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application.
None heard.
Staci Mannion made a motion in the matter of the Eaton Residence, 199 Regent Street that the application be approved with
the following condition that the gate is to be folding as opposed to swinging.
Seconded by Richard Martin.
Steven Rowland, Chairman, asked if there was any further discussion.
None heard.
VOTE:
Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor;
Staci Mannion, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor; Rob DeMarco, in favor;
MOTION PASSES: 6-0
NOTE: Agenda Items were heard out of order since there was no representation present for Agenda Item #8
at this time.
9. 2009.005 BOFF RESIDENCE, 66 Franklin Street, Consideration of Draft EIS for demolition and
rebuild in the Urban Residential-4 District. (Historic Review).
RECUSAL:
Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman recused herself from this application.
Applicant: Joseph Boff
Agent: Anthony Ianniello, Attorney Ianniello, Anderson, Sciocchetti & Reilly, PC
Matthew I. Mazure, Attorney, Ianniello, Anderson, Sciocchetti, & Reilly, PC
Discussion of draft EIS.
Steven Rowland, Chairman stated we have received the draft EIS this afternoon. We are reviewing the draft document.
Everyone has not had a chance to look at it, or had an opportunity to review it. I would like to propose everyone get a
chance to study this and make some changes and clarifications. I would propose a two week look see. Our next meeting is
July 18, 2012.
Discussion ensued regarding several areas of concern in the document.
Mr. Boff expressed his frustration with the application in general and requested the Board make the changes it wishes to
make so we can get this document completed.
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Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application.
Samantha Bosshart, Executive Director, Saratoga Preservation Foundation asked if the Board was in receipt of the
Foundations letter stating they disagree that this resource is not lost. It is eligible for Federal Tax Credits. Future
development plans have not been submitted or Landscape Plans.
Patrick Kane, 19 Marion Place stated he believes the City should cut their losses and using the City's
resources being unduly influenced by the Saratoga Preservation Foundation, and proceed as the applicant is requesting.
Steven Rowland, Chairman stated we will return in two weeks ready to fully discuss this application.
Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman resumed her position on the Board.
8. 2012.058 17 MAPLE, LLC, 17 Maple Avenue, Architectural Review to erect tent, bar and decks in
the Transect-6 District.
Agent: Matt Hurff, Frost Hurff Architects.
The applicant is looking to erect a tent with a bar and a deck. Licensure changed ownership. Trying to put his business
back in order. He is requesting to put up tents and clean up the landscape area. Musicians out there. He is looking for a
more permanent solution. This will be temporary for the season. The retaining wall will be maintained and we are proposing
a wooden deck. Lattice work below the deck which will be composite or TREX. He is looking for some sound attenuation
and fencing.
Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was anyone in the audience who wished to comment on this application.
Mark Strauss, owner of the Marketplace. Mr. Strauss stated he currently has an easement from the backdoor to the front.
Will this design take into consideration public safety access. A window at the back of the building will be affected by the
noise and will this be dealt with. Sunlight will be affected and there will be a noise issue which could be problematic. The
building has up to four apartments which will become impossible to rent. He has concerns and he just heard about this
today.
Discussion ensued among the Board concerning surrounding property owners. An opinion from Public Safety was
discussed. Acoustic concerns as well. On site visit was mentioned and to have all concerned parties present.
Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated he will contact all concerned parties and attempt
to set up a site visit.
Discussion ensued regarding a partial approval.
Richard Martin made a motion in the matter of the application of 17 Maple Avenue, LLC, 17 Maple Avenue that the application
receive PARTIAL APPROVAL - with the following conditions - That the deck would be of a composite type. The lattice under
the deck would be a design other than diagonal. The tents as shown on the application are temporary for a period of one
season. The proposed tent fabric will not be of a high gloss material.
Seconded by Tamie Ehinger.
VOTE:
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Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor;
Staci Mannion, in favor; Karen Cavotta, in favor; Rob DeMarco, in favor;
MOTION PASSES: 6-0
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Steven Rowland, Chairman made a motion to approved the June 6, 2012 minutes as submitted.
Seconded by Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman.
VOTE:
Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor;
Karen Cavotta, in favor; Rob DeMarco, in favor;
Staci Mannion abstained.
MOTION PASSES: 5-0-1
ANNOUNCEMENT DATE OF NEXT MEETING
The next scheduled Caravan will be Tuesday, July 10, 2012 at 5 P.M.
The next scheduled Workshop will be Tuesday July 10, 2012 following the caravan.
The next scheduled Design Review Commission meeting is Wednesday, July 18, 2012 at 7:00 P.M.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, Steven Rowland, Chairman adjourned the meeting, at 9:00 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Diane M. Buzanowski
Recording Secretary
Approved 7/18/12
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Agenda
Steven Rowland, Chair
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chair
Richard Martin
DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION Robert West
Staci Mannion
City Hall - 474 Broadway Karen Cavotta
Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Robert DeMarco
Tel: 518-587-3550 fax: 518-580-9480 Jason Tommell, Alternate
www.saratoga-springs.org
Design Review Commission Meeting – Thursday July 5, 2012
City Council Room – 7:00 PM
DRAFT AGENDA
Workshop/Caravan: June 26, 2012 at 5pm
Salute to the Flag
A. 7:00PM- Applications under Consideration:
1. 2012.055 City of Saratoga Springs Firehouse, 60 Lake Ave, Historic Review of windows in the Urban
Residential-4 District.
2. 2012.057 Saratoga Trackside Condos, 115-125 Union Ave, Historic Review of basement doors in the
Urban Residential-4 District.
3. 2012.054 Pizza Works, 88 Henry Street, Architectural Review of sign in the Transect-5 District.
Adjourned per applicants request.
4. 2012.056 Eaton Residence, 199 Regent Street, Architectural Review of fence and gate in the Urban
Residential-3 District.
5. 2012.059.1 19 Railroad Place, 19 Railroad Place, Consideration of SEQRA Lead Agency for
commercial building in the Transect-6 District. (Architectural District)
6. 2012.052 Lena Lane Patio, Lena Lane, Architectural Review of outdoor patio in the Transect-6
District.
7. 2012.058 17 Maple, LLC, 17 Maple Avenue, Architectural Review to erect tent, bar and decks in the
Transect-6 District.
8. 2012.004 Thirsty Owl Wine Company & Bistro, 184 South Broadway, Architectural Review of mixed
use building in the Transect-5 District.
9. 2009.005 Boff Residence, 66 Franklin Street, Consideration of Draft EIS for demolition and rebuild in
the Urban Residential-4 District. (Historic Review)
B. Approve Minutes:
Next Meeting: July 18, 2012 (caravan: Tues. July 10 )
NOTE: This draft agenda is subject to change. To verify the actual agenda prior to the meeting, please
contact the Office of Planning and Economic Development at 587-3550 extension 2533.
REVISED 06/27/12
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