Design Review Board

DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES (FINAL) WEDNESDAY, MAY 3, 2017 7:00 P.M. CITY COUNCIL ROOM PRESENT: Steven Rowland, Chairman; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman; Leslie DiCarlo; Chris Bennett; Richard Martin; Cynthia Corbett ABSENT: Leslie Mechem STAFF: Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development, City of Saratoga Springs CALL TO ORDER: Steven Rowland, Chairman called the meeting to order at 7:00 P.M. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated the proceedings of this meeting are being recorded for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript of the recording. A. POSSIBLE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS: Steven Rowland, Chairman stated the intent of a consent agenda is to identify any application that appears to be “approvable” without need for further evaluation or discussion. If anyone wishes to further discuss any proposed consent agenda item, then that item would be pulled from the “consent agenda” and dealt with individually. 1. 2017.042 STEPHANIE ANNE’S AWNING, 1 Phila Street, Historic review of a commercial awning within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. 2. 2017.050 PEP WALL SIGN, 4 Congress Place, Architectural review of a wall sign within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. 3. 2014.114.1 CELLCO/VERIZON “SMALL CELL” INSTALLATION, 156 Kaydeross Park Road, Architectural review of a “small cell” wireless installation including associated ground equipment within a Planned Unit Development (PUD). 4. 2017.051 SPECTRUM SIGNAGE, 8 Circular Street, Architectural review of signage within the Transect-5 Neighborhood Center District. 5. 2017.052 BRAEBURN TAVERN AWNING, 390 Broadway, Historic Review of commercial awning within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on any consent agenda items. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman made a motion for Agenda Items 1- 5 that each application be approved as submitted. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor MOTION PASSES: 6-0 6. 2017.043 SCHYNOLL-POLYCHRONIDOU RESIDENCE, 203 Caroline Street, Historic Review of external modifications within the Urban Residential-3 District. Applicant: Eleni Polychronidou Ms. Polychronidou stated since the application was filed we have changed our plans. The applicants reconsidered the plans and would like to use wood for the clapboard siding replacement. It is in very poor shape. We are working with Teakwood Builders. We are requesting in some areas where there is more chance of rotting and exposure to put Hardie board siding. It will be used sparingly. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated the wood is in keeping with our guidelines. Before the new siding is installed, paint the new siding on all sides to help keep the paint on the wood siding last longer. Discussion ensued among the Commission concerning the use of fiber cement siding. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any further questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Cynthia Corbett made a motion in the matter of the Shynoll-Polychronidou Residence, 203 Caroline Street that the application be approved with the following conditions: Replace siding with in kind wood same reveal and thickness as the original. Fiber cement siding may be used in some small areas with Administrative Approval. The Commission recommends that the siding be painted on all sides before installation. Leslie DiCarlo seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 6-0 7. 2017.046 GROSSMAN RESIDENCE REAR ADDITION ADVISORY OPINION, 169 Union Avenue, Advisory Opinion (Historic Review) to the Zoning Board of Appeals on a proposed rear addition to an existing residential structure within the Urban Residential-4 District. Agent: George Yasenchak, Engineering America Mr. Yasenchak stated the applicant is before the Commission this evening for an Advisory Opinion to the ZBA on a proposed rear addition to an existing residential structure. The applicant will return before this Commission for window replacements at a later date. The porch addition which is proposed is 10 x 18. There is a 4 x10 covered area to enter the basement. This is part of a project to take a 2 or 3 family home and convert back to a single family home. The set City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – May 3, 2017 - Page 2 of 12 of metal stairs on the building as well as a handicap ramp will be removed. The house is currently aluminum sided and all of that will be removed. The wood siding beneath will be scrapped, painted and repaired. The spindles on the new porch will be matching. We are proposing a metal rail 4-6 inches above to meet the code. Mr. Yasenchak stated the applicant is before the ZBA for area variances. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated the applicant is before you for an Advisory Opinion to the Zoning Board of Appeals. The applicant is before the ZBA for area variances. Side yard setback and front yard setback and maximum lot coverage. Mr. Yasenchak stated the coverage variance is due to the fact that the front porch is a little larger than it previously was. The side yard variances are caused because the home is pre-existing. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated the ZBA is seeking your opinion concerning Mass and Scale of the additions and whether they have a negative impact on the character of the neighborhood or adjacent properties. Once they receive the requested variances they will return before this Commission with the details of the actual construction. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated he is happy to see the changes and that the applicant is returning the building back to a single family house. That is commendable and what we look for in the Historic District. A porch on this home is not inappropriate. We will review this project once the approvals are received from the ZBA. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any further questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman made a motion in the matter of the Grossman Residence Rear Addition, 169 Union Avenue in the Advisory Opinion to the Zoning Board of Appeals that the Design Review Commission issues a Favorable Advisory Opinion. The addition planned does not seem inappropriate. It is in keeping with the character of the neighborhood and the house. Richard Martin seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 6-0 8. 2017.003.1 ENGLERT REAR PORCH ADVISORY OPINION, 52 Franklin Street, Advisory Opinion Historic Review to the Zoning Board of Appeals on a constructed rear porch to an existing residential Structure within the Urban Residential-3 District. Applicant: Linda & Michael Englert Mr. Englert stated they applied for a variance for the porch enclosure. However, the building inspector realized the small addition to the rear non enclosed porch was not on record and there was nothing in the file. He has requested the variance include the small add on structure. The DRC had approved the design of the enclosure but not the outside rear porch area. The ZBA raised the questioned if the DRC should approve the existing porch. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated this is from the Zoning Board of Appeals requesting an Advisory Opinion for the constructed rear porch. The applicant is requesting an area variance for minimum side yard setback. The variance is to include the add on structure. You have seen much of this already and this has existed City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – May 3, 2017 - Page 3 of 12 for some time. If you are comfortable you could allow Administrative Action for the approval of the deck following the ZBA variance approval. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any further questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman made a motion in the matter of the Englert Residence Rear Addition, 52 Franklin Street for the Advisory Opinion to the Zoning Board of Appeals, the DRC will issue a Favorable Advisory Opinion. In consideration of the nature of the neighborhood, proximity of the buildings this is not out of character for the neighborhood. In an effort to ease the process we will consider the final approval of the existing deck to be handled Administratively. Richard Martin seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 6-0 9. 2017.014 PERRY RESIDENCE CARRIAGE HOUSE, 173 Phila Street, Historic review of a residential Addition within the Urban Residential-3 District. Applicant: Kyle Perry, homeowner Agent: Brett Balzer, Balzer & Tuck Architecture Mr. Balzer stated the applicant is before the Commission this evening for two proposed additions to an existing two story carriage house. The additions which are proposed are to allow two vehicles to park inside the garage which is currently not possible. Mr. Balzer provided a visual presentation of the site and the surrounding neighborhood for the Commission’s review. We appeared before the ZBA for some variances and those variances were granted. Floor plans of the proposed project were provided to the Commission noting the size of the proposed garage. Windows will be reused as well as the man door on the carriage house. The second floor storage area was also reviewed for the Commission. Mr. Balzer reviewed all elevations with the Commission. All materials will match what currently exists. The slate roof on the carriage house was inspected and is beyond repair. This will be replaced with fiberglass asphalt shingles. A 3D rendering of the project was provided to the Commission. This application was reviewed by the Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation and Samantha Bosshart, Executive Director of the Foundation prior to our appearance before the ZBA. They applauded the applicant and felt that it was a tasteful addition to an existing structure. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated the side addition as a 2 story addition makes it look more appropriate. It is a good adaptation to the design. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any further questions or comment from the Commission. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman made a motion in the matter of the Perry Residence Carriage House, 173 Phila Street, that we approve the application with the following allowance: Allowance for the applicant to replace the roof with fiberglass slate line shingles versus repairing the existing slate. Also the applicant is to provide a cut sheet for that shingle. Richard Martin seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – May 3, 2017 - Page 4 of 12 VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 6-0 10. 2017.010 SARATOGA CHABAD WINDOWS REPLACEMENT, 130 Circular Street, Historic Review of window replacements within the Urban Residential-3 District. Applicant: Rabbi Abba Rubin and Razel Rubin Rabbi Rubin stated since we spoke last, and as we discussed we purchased replacement windows and we would like to have them installed. The expense is more than our budget. None of these windows currently have screens and we would like to have air in the building. The Rabbi provided a sketch of where the new windows are proposed. There is a total of 11 windows. On the front façade of the building there is one large window which we never proposed replacing. Rabbi Rubin stated they are amenable to leaving the other windows on the front façade and not replacing them. Windows on the other side are in bathrooms and windows to the synagogue. Chris Bennett stated the windows on the second floor appear to have been replaced with vinyl. The proposed 11 new windows are also vinyl. Mr. Bennett questioned if the applicant was in receipt of the letter from the Preservation Foundation. Rabbi Rubin stated he has a copy of the letter. They did look into repairing the current windows. The price for that was $11,000.00 without screens. If we choose to have screens, that would add an additional several thousand dollars. We are agreeable to store the original windows in the basement per the recommendation of the Commission. We are speaking of eleven windows in total. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman questioned the applicant if the first floor windows were all original to the home. Rabbi Rubin stated in the rear of the home there are all new windows. Cynthia Corbett stated what she is struggling with is this is a Newton Brezee building. It is one of the principal historic architectures in town. To change the windows out that radically with vinyl windows I struggle with permitting that. Screens are much cheaper than replacement windows. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated in the past we have allowed windows to be replaced in a Historic District with some very high end replacement windows. Vinyl is not appropriate for the historic district. Discussion ensued among the Commission concerning the replacement windows. Rabbi Rubin questioned if he were to save the front façade windows and one on each side of the front façade were to remain and replace only the other 8 windows with vinyl. We are trying to do a little better with this situation. Leslie DiCarlo questioned if all the windows in question to be replaced were each documented for the Commission’s review. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated that information was provided to the Commission. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman questioned should the existing windows be replaced would the wood jambs and trim would remain? Richard Martin stated the jambs will remain. These inserts are something less than inch. I doesn’t have to be vinyl trim City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – May 3, 2017 - Page 5 of 12 on the exterior, it can be trimmed out with wood if that helps. Also, the original windows removed from the building can be stored. He is getting rid of the lead and putting in a more efficient window which will allow air circulation. He is accomplishing those things. The idea that he has not changed the openings, has not removed the jambs, in that historic building I think is something worth saving. Somebody comes along and wants to revitalize those windows has the capability. If we can get rid of the storm it is something worth doing also. We cannot even see what is under it and what we are talking about. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated the applicant is willing to save and retain the primary façade windows is part of the compromise as well. The ones in the western most façade and those on the north and south closest to the western façade is what he is offering tonight. That is part of the compromise. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any questions or comments from the Commission. Chris Bennett stated he goes back to guidelines and standards. The windows are not that bad. I am going to stay with our guidelines and standards. I do understand what Rich is saying. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated it is unfortunate that the windows were already purchased. It puts the Commission in a very difficult spot. We try not to create hardships for homeowners. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated as mentioned earlier we have received correspondence from the Preservation Foundation concerning this application and obviously they are not in favor of replacing the windows in a historic building. Bradley Birge, Administrator Planning and Economic Development stated you have six people present this evening. You need four votes to pass this motion. Sometimes you offer a straw vote to see if the application will pass thereby giving the applicant the ability to table the application until the next meeting to opt for a full Commission. Rabbi Rubin stated he would like to try and this is the compromise he thought of but doesn’t know how to convince the Commission that this is a very fair compromise. The front of the building will retain the historic appearance of this home. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated the applicant has proposed to retain the western façade windows as wood; including the two nearest on each side to the western façade also has wood. Those other windows which will be removed will be retained and stored for future use if possible. Also, trimming with wood trim the gaps for the replacement windows. Steven Rowland, Chairman explained to the applicant what tabling the application means. We move to the next hearing in two weeks to see if we can get a full board. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development suggested a straw vote before the applicant needs to decide whether to table the application or not. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated do I like what is happening, no. But it is something which can be reversed, if you are able to catalogue and store those windows. Also the applicant is willing to compromise with the windows on the primary façade. That being said with the number of changes made to this building I can support this. Richard Martin stated he feels the same way. Cynthia Corbett stated she is against it. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman stated she completely understands both sides of this. However if she were to vote tonight she would vote against it. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – May 3, 2017 - Page 6 of 12 Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated as of this moment it doesn’t appear that you would have 4 affirmative votes needed to pass this motion. If you asked for a vote and it was denied you would need to start over again with a new proposal. If at this time you wish to table the application until the next meeting with the idea that perhaps at the next meeting a full presence of members would be present. Rabbi Rubin questioned if there was any way this Commission would be willing to make a compromise tonight and install half the windows. If I have to replace the windows and you are not happy with the vinyl I would never fix these windows. I would do the wood windows. I have tried these windows and they are not functional. I received a grant and the grant will not cover it. I am trying to find a mutual way to satisfy the Commission and satisfy us. I am looking for a compromise. Chris Bennett questioned if the applicant contacted someone who restores historic windows. Rabbi Rubin stated the lead paint bothers him tremendously. We have young children. These windows are not functional. Is there any way to use some of the vinyl windows. Is there something we can decide on tonight. Discussion ensued among the Commission concerning the windows. Chris Bennett stated he does not feel the applicant has thoroughly explored refurbishing and restoring the windows. Rabbi Rubin stated at the last appearance before the Commission I got the impression that if I purchased wood windows that are similar to these windows the application would have been approved. If we do not get approval the windows will not be replaced. You are telling us that we can live with those windows. We are not comfortable with that. We have tried. Rabbi Rubin felt that there was some underlying reason or something against his organization that is preventing a positive vote this evening. Steven Rowland, Chairman explained the use of vinyl windows versus the high end wood custom made windows which replicate the original window have been used by a few applicants in the historic district are very different than what is being proposed this evening. Discussion ensued among the Commission concerning the type of wood window which would be acceptable. Steven Rowland, Chairman suggested to the applicant to contact a contractor who specializes in the rehabilitation of wood windows and provide an estimate noting this process has been thoroughly explored to see if it could be a possibility. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman stated if the applicant were to return before the Commission with a proposal for high end wood replacement windows, I would certainly consider moving the application forward. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated the application could be modified to include the new information. Rabbi Rubin stated then he should just repair the windows and he does not need any approvals. He would like to table the application and look into restoring and repairing the windows. Rabbi Rubin stated he does not feel the Commission has worked with him. 11. 2017.041 STEWART’S SHOP EXTERIOR COLOR, 8 Circular Street, Architectural Review of exterior color Within the Transect-- 5 Neighborhood Center District. Applicant: Stewart’s Agent: Ryan Robideau Mr. Robideau stated I was before the Commission last year with a proposal to cover the brick with Hardie Board siding and brick veneer below the existing brick. The estimate to complete this renovation was over $100,000. One of the other City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – May 3, 2017 - Page 7 of 12 options is to paint the brick which we have done in several of our locations. The color is a light grey which looks almost white. Mr. Robideau stated they are proposing two different shades of grey for this particular building. We understand painting the brick does require maintenance and we have painted brick in several other locations with good success. Steven Rowland, Chairman recommended paint chips be supplied to the Commission for administrative approval and the file. Discussion ensued among the Commission concerning the colors proposed. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman made a motion in the matter of the Stewart’s Shop Exterior Color, 8 Circular Street, that the application be approved as newly submitted this date 05/08/17, with the following conditions that the final two colors samples be provided for administrative approval. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 6-0 12. 2017.030 TEAKWOOD SHOWROOM, 75 Church Street, Architectural review of exterior modifications within the Transect-5 Neighborhood Center District. Applicant: Jim Sasko, Owner, Teakwood Builders Agent: Brett Balzer, Balzer & Tuck Architecture Mr. Balzer stated Jim Sasko is under contract to purchase the building at 75 Church Street and to convert it to a new business office and kitchen showroom for Teakwood Builders. It is in the T-5 neighborhood and is a single story 1,405 square foot building with a 1,830 square foot addition. We appeared before the ZBA and we have received the area variances requested as well as appearing before the Planning Board where we received a Special Use Permit. We are scheduled to appear before the Planning Board again next week for Site Plan Review. We are here this evening seeking final approval with the stipulation of site plan approval. Mr. Sasko spoke stated he is excited about this building a box style old gas station built in the 50’s and 60’s. It is interesting to see that these structures are now considered significantly historic across the country. Love the idea and concept. Would like to preserve the curb appeal. I spoke to the neighbors and received unanimous support from all the neighbors. This will enable us to have a cabinet showroom which will showcase our products. Mr. Balzer provided a visual presentation of the site, reviewing all elevations and the proposed exterior modifications. The proposal includes renovating the existing building and an addition to include new office space and showroom. A new parking and site layout will enhance vehicle and pedestrian access. The intention and renovation and addition is to keep the existing character of the building in the style which it was originally designed. This is the same presentation the Planning Board viewed. The applicant has received a letter of support from the Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation. We will return before this Commission for signage. Mr. Balzer provided information on the Kawneer framing and door system in black which are proposed for this project as well as gooseneck lighting and proposed paint colors samples in a cool grays and soft whites which is the color scheme. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – May 3, 2017 - Page 8 of 12 Richard Martin questioned the housing of the mechanicals, wall penetrations and housing for trash. Mr. Sasko stated the mechanicals will be housed in the rear of the building in the cold storage area. Likely no wall penetrations, only roof penetrations. Mr. Balzer stated if there is a roof top placement of mechanicals it will be towards the center rear of the building. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated a rooftop unit of any size will be fairly visible since there is no parapet. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated that is something the Commission should decide on whether there is enough information provided or whether you want additional opportunities. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated he was about to make a recommendation that once they hone in on what type of unit it might be the Commission review the cut sheet administratively to determine the height. Mr. Balzer stated for the Commissions information the unit will be similar to that of a house unit. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated this is a fantastic use of the building. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any further questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Leslie DiCarlo made a motion in the matter of the Teakwood Showroom Exterior Modifications, 75 Church Street that the application be approved with the following condition: Administrative approval required for mechanical units on the roof. Chris Bennett seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there is any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 6-0 13. 2017.048 PITNEY MEADOWS COMMUNITY FARM BUILDINGS, 213-235 West Avenue, Architectural Review of exterior modifications within the Pitney Meadows Planned Unit Development (PUD) Applicant: Pitney Meadows Community Farm Agents: Sandy Arnold, Pitney Meadows Community Farm; Natalie Walsh, Pitney Meadows Community Garden Ms. Arnold stated the farm buildings are mostly from the 1860’s, they include the barn and most of the house with several additions added on. We will start with house first. We have 5 projects with this. We currently have a building permit. We have started some renovations inside removing some sheet rock that was damaged. For the most part we are keeping the house intact inside. Outside, we have a fair amount of damage to the two porches. The one on the right is completely caved in and we would like to replace the vinyl shingles on the roof with slate. It’s a two tone non fade slate purple and green. The other green porch we will keep the cedar shingles on that but we will change the color to possibly a grey with white trim. Vinyl siding will be replaced with Hardie Board siding in a grey color. The large storage room upstairs which has never been used, has only two small windows one on each end. We would like to turn this area into housing for the farm manager, however it is very dark. We are proposing to add two new windows to match the existing for additional lighting. The area which housed the summer kitchen, is also very dark and we are proposing the addition of a window City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – May 3, 2017 - Page 9 of 12 in that area to match the one to the left. Most of all the windows in the house are in very bad shape. They are rotting with glass missing. We are proposing wood replacement Jeld-Wen windows. We are keeping all the interior trim. We will either strip and paint or grade them off and paint them. We are working on repairing two barns at this time. The large barn is beautiful inside with the beams. We have scraped most of it off. We do need to replace some siding and it will be replaced with novelty siding. It has no windows and doors in the structure. This will be shared with the Community gardens. It will be a wash pack area for the farm. The Community gardens will be on the side of the barn. One end of the barn we will be adding a door with an 8 foot retractable awning over that. We will restain this grey. On the other side we are proposing 3 windows which will match the windows in the shed. There will be a big awning and patio with picnic tables in this area. This will be a common space on the farm. All windows proposed in this area will be barn sash windows. They match what is on the small shed. For this barn we are proposing solar on the roof. 18 panels are proposed. That will not happen this year unless we receive a grant. Sherwin-Williams stated we can probably just paint that roof. It is a big heavy old fashioned metal roof. They are researching that for us. Concerning the awnings the large awning would require a more substantial awning, not retractable due to the winds in this area. Ms. Walsh stated there is a Community Garden Shed which will be used for the storage of tools used by the gardners. There will be a potting bench in this area as well. On the outside on the west wall there are two identical windows which will match those on the barn. On the back wall a barn door will be installed which will slide to the right to accommodate handicap gardners. A window and door for access will also be added on the opposite side. The shed has metal siding currently with novelty siding in two different patterns below. We would like to return this shed in this configuration back to wood. Thermatru doors are proposed for the doors and for the big barn door as well as the shed. We are proposing a Harnois tunnel that will be used temporarily to have some events in and do some production in as well. Herbs and flowers and possibly some produce. It is approximately 42 feet by 148 feet. This will structurally accommodate the requirement for snow load and will be heated. This is a temporary structure. At some point in the future we will build a large event center large agricultural resource center, and this will be moved over to the farm area to be used for production of greens. A visual presentation of the children’s greenhouse was provided to the Commission approximately 30 x 72 large enough to have classes. Steven Rowland, Chairman questioned the length of time approvals can be granted. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated the Commission normally issues an 18 month approval however; the Commission can increase the time table. Discussion ensued with the applicant concerning time frames for building. It was the consensus of the Commission to provide this applicant with a 24 month approval. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any questions, comments or concerns from the Commission. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman suggested the applicant use the smooth type of Hardie Board siding. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman made a motion in the matter of the Pitney Meadows Community Farm Buildings, 213-235 West Avenue that the application be approved with the following conditions: the applicant is to use smooth sided Hardie Plank versus textured. A 24 month approval period has been granted. Cynthia Corbett seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 6-0 City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – May 3, 2017 - Page 10 of 12  14. 2016.002.1 SAUTTER RESIDENCE PORCH, 150 Washington Street, Architectural Review of a new mixed-use building within the Transect-5 Neighborhood Center District. Applicant: Ron Sautter Mr. Sautter stated he was before the Commission back in December. He has returned with details on the porch modifications. Mr. Sautter stated he is proposing to renovate the existing enclosed front porch, remove the walls and open it up. He will be matching the top trim on the building. White and dark brown color palette. Front porch columns will be white with no railings. Fascia will also be white. Three stair entry to the porch trimmed out in white and the brown. Railing on either side. Skirting trimmed out in brown to match the decking with lattice. The roof is asphalt and we will reshingle with asphalt. The front door will be mahogany which will match the decking. In the rear we are proposing to add a small 8 x 10 deck. It will have a white railing and brown decking. This is not visible from the road. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Richard Martin made a motion in the matter of the Sautter Residence Porch, 150 Washington Street that the application be approved with the following conditions: that the flashing above the roof connection to the brick will be black metal or copper owner’s choice. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 6-0 15. 2017.044 WEST AVENUE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, West Avenue Architectural Review of a new mixed-use building within the Transect-5 Neighborhood Center District. Applicant: Bill Barber, AB Acquisitions Agent: George Olsen, Olsen Associates Mr. Olsen stated we put together a presentation to the Planning Board approximately a year ago. This parcel was connected to the Kamen parcel on West Avenue and there were a number of issues there. In November we returned to the Planning Board with a recommendation to meet with the neighbors. We met with the neighbors and presented the project to them. A visual presentation was provided to the Board. The site rises as it goes back. A straight façade with public space on the corner and was enhanced per the Planning Board recommendation. Retail on the first floor as well as underground parking. Parking is also provided in the rear of the site as well as wraps around the building. We have decreased the units from 36 to 34. Floor plans and layouts were provided to the Commission. Each unit has a balcony. The materials are brick with fiber cement board, wood and metal on the porches and balconies. Views of all elevations was also provided to the Commission. The 3rd floor will house the pool area. The 4th floor will house an outdoor terrace. Activity areas are proposed for the core of the building. Mass and scale has been stepped down. We will return before this Commission for further final approvals. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated the Planning Board has asked for your opinion concerning SEQRA review especially in context with and character of the neighborhood. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated this is the T-5 zone and this is in keeping with the character of the neighborhood. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – May 3, 2017 - Page 11 of 12 In terms of Mass and Scale the fact that you have stepped the building down some and that there is a grade change definitely works to your advantage. This is headed in the right direction. The applicant will be before us following Planning Board approval. The applicant should consider signage and possible location. Location of mechanicals and wall penetrations, meter banks, trash and roof penetrations. An important considerations is how to treat the main roof edge. right now it is thin. Maybe something more to provide more visual interest. The roof could do something similar. You have an opportunity to pick up with color more verticality. The Commission feels that this is consistent with community plan. Mass and Scale have improved. The front street scape is improved. Civic space is improved. The whole project is headed in the right direction. Steven Rowland, Chairman made a motion in the matter of the West Avenue Mixed Use Development, West Avenue for a Favorable Advisory Opinion to the Planning Board noting the project is consistent with community plans and character. The Mass and Scale is appropriate, the front is in keeping with the streetscape. The civic space has improved and is progressing in keeping with the evolving streetscape. In general the entire project is headed in the right direction. Chris Bennett seconded the motion. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Cynthia Corbett, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 6-0 APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES: Cynthia Corbett made a motion to approve the minutes of the June 1, 2016; June 15, 2016; July 6, 2016; July 20, 2016; August 3, 2016 and September 21, 2016. Richard Martin seconded the motion. June 1, 2016 – Approved by SRowland; TEhinger; RMartin; LDiCarlo – 4-0 June 15, 2018 – Approved by SRowland; TEhinger; RMartin; CCorbett; LDiCarlo – 5-0 July 6, 2016 – Approved by SRowland; TEhinger; CCorbett, LDiCarlo – 4-0 July 20, 2016 – Approved by SRowland; TEhinger; RMartin; LDiCarlo – 4-0 August 3, 2016 – Approved by SRowland; TEhinger; RMartin; CCorbett; LDiCarlo – 5-0 September 21, 2016 – Approved by SRowland; TEhinger; LDiCarlo; CBennett – 4-0 UPCOMING WORKSHOPS/MEETINGS: Design Review Caravan, Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 5:00 P.M. Design Review Meeting, Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 7:00 P.M. MOTION TO ADJOURN: There being no further business to discuss Steven Rowland, Chairman adjourned the meeting at 10:00 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Diane M. Buzanowski Recording Secretary APPROVED 6/21/17 City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – May 3, 2017 - Page 12 of 12