Design Review Board

DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES (FINAL) WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2019 7:00 P.M. RECREATION CENTER PRESENT: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman; Leslie DiCarlo; Chris Bennett; Leslie Mechem; Rob DuBoff; Ellen Sheehan STAFF: Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development, City of Saratoga Springs CALL TO ORDER: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, called the meeting to order at 7:02 P.M. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, stated the proceedings of this meeting are being recorded for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript of the recording. A. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES: Leslie Mechem made a motion to approve the minutes of the November 20, 2019 DRC meeting with additions as submitted. Chris Bennett seconded the motion. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Rob DuBoff, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor MOTION PASSES: 7-0 B. POSSIBLE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated the intent of a consent agenda is to identify any application that appears to be “approvable” without need for further evaluation or discussion. If anyone wishes to further discuss any proposed consent agenda item, then that item would be pulled from the “consent agenda” and dealt with individually. 1. 20191161 SARATOGA REGIONAL YMCA SIGNAGE, 290 West Avenue, Architectural Review of wall signage within the YMCA Planned Unit Development (PUD) District. 2. 20191165 GREY GHOST SIGNAGE, 60 West Avenue, Architectural Review of wall signage within the Transect-5 Neighborhood Center District. 3. 20191167 CITIZENS BANK SIGNAGE, 1 Ballston Avenue, Architectural Review of wall signage within the Transect-5 Neighborhood Center District. 4. 20191184 BENNER CHIROPRACTIC SIGNAGE, 227 Washington Street, Suite 1A, Architectural Review of wall signage within the Transect-4 Urban Neighborhood District. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if anyone on the Commission had any questions or comments on Consent Agenda Items #1, #2, #3 & #4. None heard. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on these applications. None heard. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman made a motion in the matter of the Saratoga Regional YMCA Signage, 290 West Avenue, Grey Ghost Signage, 60 West Avenue, Citizen’s Bank Signage, 1 Ballston Avenue, and Benner Chiropractic Signage, 227 Washington Avenue, that these applications be approved as submitted. Ellen Sheehan seconded the motion. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Rob DuBoff, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor MOTION PASSES: 7-0 C. DRC APPLICATIONS UNDER CONSIDERATION 1. 2019433 CITY HALL RENOVATIONS, 474 Broadway, Historic Review of additional renovations to an existing structure within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated based on the packet of information provided by the applicant, that she is comfortable discussing the renovations and moving the application forward without the applicant being present. In terms of the renovations, the applicant has appeared before the Board on several occasions. We have been involved in this process. The Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation provided correspondence regarding this application and noted that they are in favor of the renovations as presented. Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman stated when the application appeared before the Commission we noted concerns regarding some of the overly ornate features trying to create a Victorian feel. I think we were trying to encourage them to speak more to the architectural qualities of the building in a simpler form, more geometric. I am happy with the flooring and lighting preferences. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated they took our comments and worked with them. The final project they have provided to us is quite spectacular. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated Michael Veitch was able to provide a summary of the details and would appreciate it being read into the record. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman read into the record a summary of the details, in terms of breaking down the changes: -Vestibule: No changes are planned for the entryway vestibule at this time. A proposal to install full glass doors was infeasible with the existing construction. Potential changes will be forthcoming. -Music Hall: A design work group consisting of Karen Cavotta, Samantha Bosshart, John Hall, Deb LaBreche, and Mike Veitch met to discuss changes to the Music Hall design following the initial proposal from the City. The working group focused on feedback from the DRC and Preservation Foundation in proposing the changes provided. Overall, the focus of the music hall treatment was on incorporating an Art Deco style with a minimalist approach. -Floor: The proposed wood floor for the music hall will be a basic design with a darker finish border at the exterior walls. This replaces the cross hatching design initially proposed. -Lighting: The proposed chandelier and sconce have an art deco treatment. The sconces will be placed on the exterior walls between the windows and near the stage. There will be two chandeliers in the space, specifications were provided in prior correspondence. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 2 of 15 -Stage: Included in the finished stage is a stenciled trim replicating the original stencil design in the Music Hall. This detail was uncovered during the renovation project, where the existing stenciling is behind the wall near the cove. -Second Floor Handrail: The attached rendering of a handrail addition at the second floor is for safety and code compliance. The top railing matches the hallway paneling and the attachment pieces will replicate the aluminum columns with a single bar. Mr. Veitch referenced an email exchange between Samantha Bosshart. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there were any questions or comments from the Commission members. None heard. Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman made a motion in the matter of the application for the City Hall Renovations, 474 Broadway application that the application be approved as submitted. Leslie Mechem seconded the motion. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Rob DuBoff, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor MOTION PASSES: 7-0 2. 20191163 UNIVERSAL PRESERVATION HALL (UPH) SIGNAGE, 25 Washington Street, Architectural Review of signage within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. Applicant: Universal Preservation Hall Agent: Teddy Foster; Philip Morris Ms. Foster thanked the Commission for the site visit. They are here this evening to talk about the exterior signage. A visual of the proposed site was provided and noted it will be facing toward Washington Street. The front doors of UPH will no longer be the entrance. They will be the exit. The main entrance is now placed on the east side of the hall. This sign will be placed on the east side driveway. It will be a free standing wooden sign mounted on the east side of the driveway with visibility from either side of the street. It has also been located to denote the entrance. The sign post will emulate the Sternberg street lights, same design. This sign will also have up lighting. Mr. Morris stated similarly on the east side there is in existence a wooden wall plaque when the church was in existence it was used to post hymn numbers. It is about 8 or 9 feet in height and we would like to approach it electronically. It is a rehabilitation of the box and inserted in the center will be an electronic sign. It is an LCD sign and is more like a television. We would not change it aggressively at all. It will denote what is scheduled for that day and where the entrance is located. We feel it may rotate one or two items and not very large in size like a marquee or billboard. Discussion ensued among the Commission regarding rotation. It will be changed once or twice a day. Leslie DiCarlo stated she is not a fan of electronic signs but feels in this location it will work well and be functional. You are keeping an existing notice board on the exterior and keeping its use but updating it. It will reflect that there is something exciting and new going on in the historic building and will fit very nicely. Rob DuBoff agrees with Leslie and questioned who would be designing the ads. Mr. Morris stated the changing of the ads would be done and managed at Proctor’s. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 3 of 15 Chris Bennett questioned how will this be wired. Mr. Morris stated it will be punched through the brick from the other side. Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman stated the Commission has been pretty tough on prior applicants who were trying to request this type of signage. She questioned where there is an example of this type of signage. Mr. Morris stated in downtown Schenectady all of Proctors poster signage is all digital and the same type we will be using in the UPH location. This is 4K display. Leslie Mechem likes the re-use of the call board and it also provides a window into the building. Ellen Sheehan questioned if it will look like a playbill, she likes it. Mr. Morris stated it will resemble a playbill. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated it is a great way to display posters. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated UPH is in a unique situation restoring the call board and speaks to the purpose of the building. Because that is happening it is a tie in to a public private partnership circumstance and it does lend itself to a display of this nature. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman questioned if there was any further questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman questioned if there are any specifications on this signage. Mr. Morris stated we will be happy to provide specifications to the Commission when available. Chris Bennett questioned if the sign will run all night. Mr. Morris stated it is not necessary to run all night – probably until midnight. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman made a motion in the matter of the Universal Preservation Hall (UPH) Signage, 25 Washington Street, that the application be approved with the following conditions: 1). The DRC recognizes that this project is a community-wide, public/private partnership undertaken by a non-profit organization that has enabled the thorough restoration of a significant historic resource and state and national register property. 2). The electronic sign will be no larger than 4’x7’ and will occupy the exact location and dimensions as the existing building signboard. The signboard surround will be restored to original historic appearances. 3). The electronically displayed message will be a static image that displays the current or upcoming venue offerings. The message will not move, flutter, revolve or otherwise be active. 4). There shall be no advertising displayed on the signboard other than the current venue offering. No advertising for off-site activities is permitted. 5). Final detail specifications are to be submitted for administrative approval. Rob DuBoff seconded the motion. Tamie Ehinger, chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Rob DuBoff, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor MOTION PASSES: 7-0 City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 4 of 15  3. 20190533 BRYAN EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, 138-140 Church Street, Architectural Review of exterior modifications within the Urban Residential-3 District. Applicant: Richard Bryan Mr. Bryan stated he initially purchased the property to use for his medical practice. It does not have the commercial designation, so he elected to use it residentially. It had a 10x 5 commercial awning attached which he elected to remove and replace it with a small overhang. Visual presentation of the new gable entry and several windows which were replaced was provided to the Commission. Mr. Bryan stated this should have appeared before the Commission for approval Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated original approval before the Commission would have provided some input on this project. The Chair questioned if the replacement of a single window is before the Commission tonight for approval. Mr. Bryan stated he was informed by his engineer that the window in the front on the second floor, which is in need of replacement to meet code requirements, and possibly an additional window. Discussion ensued among the Commission regarding the age and material of the window to be replaced. Mr. Bryan stated the windows to be replaced would be Anderson wood over wood double hung windows. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated the design is more elaborate than what should be there considering the modern store front and façade of the home. Correspondence was received from the Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation echoing that same thought. Discussion ensued among the Commission concerning the design of the new overhang. It was the consensus of the Commission that the improvement which was made was nicer than the previous awning, and once painted will be fine. Suggestions were provided to the applicant concerning the paint color to be used. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated this is a fairly straightforward application. Final details should be submitted for the file and are to be approved administratively. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there were any further questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. Milissa Monroe, questioned the preference of the Commission concerning the color choice for the overhang. Rob DuBoff made a motion in the matter of the Bryan Exterior Modifications, 138-140 Church Street that the application be approved with the following condition – Anderson wood/wood, one over one double hung windows to be used. Leslie Mechem seconded the motion. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Rob DuBoff, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor MOTION PASSES: 7-0 4. 20191108 PERRY RESIDENCE EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, 173 Phila Street, Historic Review of demo/reconstruction of front porch within the Urban Residential-3 District. Applicant: Kyle Perry, homeowner City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 5 of 15 Agent: Michael Tuck, Balzer & Tuck Architecture; Jenna Kulek, Balzer & Tuck Architecture; Jim Sasko, Teakwood Builders Mr. Tuck stated the applicant has appeared before the Commission on several projects for this home. This evening we are seeking approval for demolition and reconstruction of the front porch. Visual images of the site as well as the floor plan were provided to the Commission. Photographs of the neighborhood were also provided noting the size and location of the home as well as front porches in the neighborhood. A copy of the Sanborn Map was provided noting the porch was a partial front porch with a turret roof at the southeast corner and was a porte-cochere. The original porch was removed and replaced with a simple full width porch sometime after 1972. Mr. Tuck reviewed the materials proposed for the project, HB&G for the columns; it is a spun cast product and is very durable and substantial in character. Proposed stone will be pillowed to match the existing stonework on the home. Baluster components will echo those used on the back porch of the home which are wood custom created. Examples of lighting materials were provided. We are proposing uncovered masonry stairs for durability. The steps have been pulled closer to the property line to ensure proper placement for the handrail. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated the existing porch is not the original porch to the home. The Chair read the Secretary of the Interior Standard Guidelines in terms of historic homes. “Every effort, in terms of porches should be made to preserve an original or historic porch including the original size, design and materials. If replacing a previously a previously removed porch, it should replicate the original in size, design and materials, or be based on historical documentation.” The Chair then opened the application up to the Commission for comments. Chris Bennett stated he believes the design is complimentary to the building. The proposed materials and products are excellent. Rob DuBoff stated the original porch was built as it was and trivialized the home to some extent. It was porch heavy. I do not dislike what you have done, it is very nice, but why use fiberglass columns versus wood? Mr. Tuck stated for better weathering and longevity. They are fiberglass and a stone dust resin which are very rigid and they do not move. Rob DuBoff questioned the material for the steps. Mr. Tuck stated a veneer stone curved portion on the side and cast concrete base with bluestone for the steps. Leslie DiCarlo stated it is beautiful. It will open up the front of the home and make it more noticeable. Jim Sasko, from Teakwood Builders informed the Commission on how this process is done to provide the required finish. Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman questioned the caps for the columns, noting the design is beautiful. Mr. Tuck provided information to the Commission concerning the size of the caps and materials proposed. Leslie Mechem stated it is beautiful and she likes the sweep of the steps. Ellen Sheehan stated she is torn. The design is beautiful but she is torn regarding the guidelines. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated she concurs with Ellen. It is beautiful and it does compliment the house. Again, it does not meet the design guidelines for porch replacement. This does compliment the house, however, if this application does move forward, I must insist on natural materials for this historic home in a historic neighborhood. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there were any further questions or comments from the Commission. None heard. Chris Bennett noted if there are any materials to be salvaged on this home they should be recycled, reclaimed or saved. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 6 of 15 Discussion ensued among the Board concerning the proposed materials for the wood columns. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated the Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation in their correspondence noted that the primary stairs be similar to the east stairs, constructed of wood, not concrete with bluestone treads and stone veneer wing walls. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Leslie Mechem made a motion in the matter of the Perry Residence Exterior Modifications, 173 Perry Street, that the application be approved with the following conditions - Wood columns are to be used. Floor deck boards to run in the historically appropriate direction. Chris Bennett seconded the motion. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Rob DuBoff, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor MOTION PASSES: 7-0 5. 20190663 HAMPTON INN/VERIZON CELLULAR COMMUNICATIONS FACILITY, 25 Lake Avenue Architectural Review of new rooftop cellular communications facility and associated equipment within the Transect-6 Urban Core District. Applicant: Verizon Wireless Agent: Dave Brennan, Young Sommer; Sara Colman, Aerosmith Development Mr. Brennan stated this evening they are presenting a project the Commission saw briefly back in September. The proposal is a macro cell site on the roof of the Hampton Inn and Suites at 25 Lake Avenue. We are proposing to install a 6x6x8 foot enclosed penthouse addition on top of the roof that would be enclosed with a stealth brick material concealing six macro cell antennas within the structure. We have appeared before the ZBA and received an area variance for height since 70 feet is the maximum height allowance for the T-6 District. We were before the Planning Board to receive our Special Use Permit and now again before the DRC tonight for architectural review. This site is necessary to provide better service and operation in this area. Sample materials were provided for the Commission’s review. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated the brick material is the least imposing. It will be visible in some areas and not in others. Discussion ensued among the Commission regarding the penthouse addition and the proposed material. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Leslie Mechem made a motion in the matter of the Hampton Inn/Verizon Cellular Communications Facility, 25 Lake Avenue, that the application be approved as submitted. Rob DuBoff seconded the motion. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Rob DuBoff, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 7-0 City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 7 of 15  6. 20191046 77 VAN DAM EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, 77 Van Dam Street, Architectural Review of exterior modifications within the Urban Residential-3 District. Applicant: 77 Van Dam LLC Agent: Libby Coreno, Attorney; Jim Chandler, Project Manager Ms. Coreno provided a visual presentation of the readaptive use of the old school building at 77 Van Dam Street. This application was before the Commission on February 20, 2019. At that time the Commission reviewed the addition of metal planter boxes in front of the windows. That installation has occurred and a visual of that was provided. We are before the Commission this evening on three separate matters. One is to review the roof penetrations for the upgraded HVAC systems exiting out the roof; secondly we are requesting a modification in the location of the condensing units and the addition of an awning over the entryway. The building had a very aged HVAC system. When the building plans were reviewed the system was shown but no elevation provided showing where the updated system needed to exit. Outside of coming out the historic brickwork, there was nowhere to vent outside of the roof. A roof penetration versus a brick work penetration. Since it was a historic structure, it was determined it needed to vent out the roof. There are 78 vents. An aerial view of penetrations was provided. The black paint was used to help mitigate the visual of the penetrations. It was decided to omit the penetrations on the historic pitched roof. Secondly the condensing units are cantilevered on shelves outside the building. This is aesthetically not consistent. We are proposing relocating the condensing units to align flush with the building on each side. A visual was provided. The engineer feels it is safer on the ground and more aesthetically pleasing. To offset the aesthetic impact it was suggested to use some open air fencing around the units for aesthetics and safety purposes. A sample was provided to the Commission. Thirdly, the applicants are proposing the addition of an entryway awning. It is intended to be blue and a sample was provided to the Commission. We are doing the best we can to preserve a historic building in this adaptive re-use. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated in terms of the relocation of the condenser units is not inappropriate and the use of the open air black fencing is fine as a faux screen. The entryway awning works as well. The penetrations on the roof are a struggle. I do not feel the black paint is accomplishing what you are intending for it to do. The Chair provided some information on a new product by 3M. Discussion ensued among the Commission regarding the unsightliness of the roof penetrations. Several options were provided to the applicant. Mr. Chandler, Bonacio Construction spoke about the construction of the building and the penetrations and the process to try to mitigate them. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman suggested the applicant go back and look at other options for screening of the roof penetrations. Revisit the options for masking those. Ellen Sheehan suggested the penetrations be painted grey or the same color as the roof. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated we can move the awning portion of the application this evening. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Ellen Sheehan made a motion in the matter of 77 Van Dam Street Exterior Modifications, 77 Van Dam Street, that the application be approved with the following conditions – that the applicant will look into the 3M reflective materials and other options to mask penetrations. The applicant will consider painting the penetrations. The applicant will return with screening options for the condensers. Leslie DiCarlo seconded the motion. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Rob DuBoff, opposed; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 6-1 City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 8 of 15  7. 20191122 LARKIN MARRIOT AC HOTEL, 176 South Broadway, Architectural Review of a new 120-room hotel within the Transect-5 Neighborhood Center District. Applicant: Joe Larkin, Mark Sherrin, Applicant Agent: Dennis McGowan, Mike Tuck, Jenna Kulek, Balzer & Tuck Architecture; Larry Novik, Chris Buskey, Bonacio Construction Mr. McGowan stated they were before the Commission on June 19th for deferral of SEQRA Lead Agency Status to the Planning Board. At that time we presented the project to the Commission and this evening we will present the project in further detail. Mr. Larkin provided background information on his company to the Commission and provided information concerning this project. Mr. McGowan provided a review of the proposed project located at 176 South Broadway as well as a visual of the site and neighborhood which is the old Turf and Spa Hotel. The property in question is 1.37 acres with frontage on South Broadway. There is a small alley in the rear which services several businesses, The Thirsty Owl, Nurture Spa and the drycleaner. Views of the property site were provided as well as the neighborhood. Currently a 40 unit motel exists on the sight. We are proposing a 120 room hotel directly on Broadway and Todd Street moving it away from the existing cemetery and away from the residences on Gurtler Lane. The site can be accessed for pedestrians off Broadway. Vehicular access off of Lincoln Street to Todd Street. Surface parking along the site and parking will be provided in an underground parking area. Floor plans were provided to the Commission as well as views of all elevations. Streetscape views were provided from all directions. Mr. McGowan stated there is conversation regarding installing a bike share station. Mr. McGowan reviewed the proposed materials for the project using brick and metal panels. A night rendering of the site was also provided to the Commission. Brad Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development spoke regarding the streets and traffic access. He provided the proposed circulation on the site. The applicants are still working with the Planning Board regarding the Special Use Permit and Site Plan Approval. They have however, worked with the adjacent property owners to make this circulation and access work consolidating some parking and curb cuts while maintaining the residential access to the rear. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated this is a great project. The materials will work well as well as the streetscape is perfect for South Broadway. Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman stated she agrees it is a great project. She is struggling with the treatment that becomes the pedestrian level. Leslie Mechem stated she was taken by the night view. The fenestrations are appealing and give a warm feeling to the building. Ellen Sheehan stated overall she likes the project. She does feel the Todd Street side is the weaker side, but the rear of the building has some very interesting elements. Chris Bennett stated he really likes the building and the design. Products and materials are important noting his concern with regard to longevity of buildings. Rob DuBoff stated he likes the streetscape area, bringing the hotel activities out to meet what is going on in the street. The brick does not work for him. The panels do work. Would the applicant consider not using brick. Mr. McGowan stated they are continuing to review materials. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 9 of 15 Leslie DiCarlo stated she really likes the brick, it is a timeless material and she likes the way it is being used in a contemporary way. The south side could be better articulated. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated she also like the look of the brick with the glass. She likes the grey panels. Discussion ensued among the Commission regarding enhancing the entryway and the proposed materials. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated she is comfortable moving forward with the Mass and Scale on this project. Brad Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development spoke regarding approving Mass and Scale for a project, what that entails and what the Commission should be aware of when providing this type of approval. Ellen Sheehan made a motion in the matter of the Larkin Marriot AC Hotel, 176 South Broadway, that the application be approved as submitted with the following condition – that the mass and scale and proposed current location is satisfactory at this time. Leslie DiCarlo seconded the motion. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there was anyone in the audience who wishes to comment on this application. None heard. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Rob DuBoff, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 7-0 The Board recessed at 9:35 P.M. The Board reconvened at 9:48 P.M. 8. 20191080 ALLENDALE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, 45 Allen Drive, Architectural Review of supportive housing apartments and workforce training center within the Urban Residential-4 and Transect-4 Urban Neighborhood District. Agent: Bill Teeter, New Ventures, Co-Development Partner KCG Development, LLC, Brian Slevar, Carmina Wood and Morris, Architects Mr. Teeter provided an overview of the project for the Board, noting the demolition of 8 single-story four unit dwellings and associated onsite parking. The existing 32 dwelling units will be replaced with a total of 67 units an increase of 35 units. A preference will be given to veterans. There are one and two bedrooms and some 4 bedroom units. A thrift shop will be included as allowed in the Transect-4 zone to provide job skills for veterans. Based on some concerns noted by the Board we have provided an extension of city standards on the west side to Church Street including sidewalks, curbs, street lights and access. Mr. Slevar provided a visual of the site to the Board located in the UR-4 and T-4 Urban Neighborhood Districts. We are proposing two sister buildings on the west site and a commercial building located on the east side. The buildings have been sited to front on Church Street. The design was driven by a very narrow site with large setbacks, and the parking requirements. We have received a Special Use Permit which has allowed us to reduce some of the parking. This plan has been revised and we will be returning to the Planning Board for site plan approval. We have reduced the parking and increased the green space. On the T-4 site we had a frontage requirement to meet. There was a limit on the number of units and the square footage of the building. In working with the Planning Board we were able to resolve some of the parking issues by lowering the density of the parking requirement. A visual presentation was provided to the Commission noting the streetscape including that street trees and street lights are to be provided and we will continue to work with the City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 10 of 15 City on final plans and locations. There is no existing stormwater system on this site currently. Everything is sheeting onto the street. Curbing is shown but needs to be finalized to avoid a water situation on the street. Sidewalks are proposed to increase connectivity. Concerning community space or green space or park and civic space, which has not yet been developed, we plan on sharing amenities with NRP. Mr. Slevar reviewed the commercial building noting the area designated for the workforce training and the thrift shop and retail. A review of all residential buildings was provided to the Commission noting the requirements for specific square footages with minimum and maximum unit sizes, and they are also required to meet day lighting standards, ventilation square footages. We have addressed some of the entry points with porches to try to tie them in and the Church Street frontage with the stair towers and community spaces. Materials proposed for the project are all fiber cement products for the exterior. We have small low stone base which will be a concrete product and asphalt shingle roofing. Mr. Teeter stated this is a Department of Homes and Community Renewal Application. The applicant’s first standing round is due December 13, 2019. We literally have everything ready to go. We have full site plan approval, SEQRA Negative Declaration, County Planning Board no impacts decision and a 30 year pilot that the City Council has approved and granted for this priority project. The Department of Homes and Community Renewal has very stringent architectural guidelines regarding space, light, ventilation and mixes of amenities that we comply with for footprint and this is overlaid with the City’s Code and the City Planning Code and that is why he emphasized those elements which did not provide for many options such as extending the building and adding extra space. Credits are granted on specific area requirements. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated this is an enormous project and the first time it is before the Commission. The applicant is looking at an impending deadline and this is going to be to manage expectations a much longer process in that there are lot of details that will need to be addressed. It is a very important project and everyone is on board with helping to make this happen. Understanding the scope of our duties what does the applicant need from the Commission right now to move this application forward for tax credits. Mr. Teeter stated this is a very competitive round application and we are competing state wide. It’s only issued once a year. Having approvals in place with a favorable advisory opinion with conditions in place for us to return to address details is appropriate and we would expect to do so. A conditioned type of approval would be very helpful. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated the Commission has discretionary authority. In the past, with some projects you have given an opinion that the project is moving in the right direction, that you are hopeful that final details will be achieved. If you are comfortable looking at Mass and Scale, and general location that is a partial approval you are able to grant at this time understanding many details are still forthcoming. Also, the next step up from that you can state that the concept plan is approved but with additional details to come before the Commission at a later date. Discussion ensued with the applicant concerning what would be required to help facilitate the application through the process for funding. Discussion ensued with staff concerning what type of approval the Commission could grant allowing for further discussion concerning details. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated we are basically looking at two different building types, two residential and one mixed use. Mr. Slevar stated buildings #1 and #2 are residential buildings and are identical; Building #3 is mixed use. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated we will review the residential buildings first and then the mixed use building will be reviewed. The Chair noted many things have been managed well; however what is noticeable are the massive amounts of windows. The formatting of the windows seems to be a bit busy. That is something I would like to have simplified. Chris Bennett stated he agrees with the Chair. Emphasizing the front entrances is important, perhaps the more emphasis the better. The use of the proposed materials is great. There is something going on – on the lineal plane of the building. It almost looks prison like in terms of looking like bars. Perhaps it is the vertical lines that separate the units. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 11 of 15 Rob DuBoff stated he agrees about the windows. Perhaps one over one or two over two would help mitigate the bar effect. An entryway on the Church Street side would be great if you can programmatically. Leslie DiCarlo stated she agrees about the entrance on Church Street or perhaps some type of delineation to make that façade more interesting. What is confusing to her is the double gable effect. Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman stated she doesn’t feel it is the windows that are the issue; she feels it is the vertical lines. She likes the board and batten but the vertical lines make the windows seem busier and more prominent. If they were on a solid background, that could help. The entries could be made more visible. Perhaps a suggestion would be to break that eave line. She also suggested the applicant may wish to revisit the doors. Leslie Mechem stated she likes the mass and scale and the stepping back of the building. She agrees about the windows. The porches could be better defined. Ellen Sheehan agrees with the comments of her colleagues. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated we will now review the mixed use building. Her concern was the elevator towers at the ends of the building. Perhaps something could be done with regard to the blankness of the area and the fact that it is a different color makes it stand out. Mr. Slevar reviewed the retail building for the Commission noting the location of the elevators and stairwells. Chris Bennett questioned the gable ends and feels it is lost to the rest of the structures. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated we spoke about widening the gable ends on the other buildings. Is it possible to make that wider and wrap around. Discussion ensued among the Commission concerning the elevator/stairwells and gable end treatments. Suggestions were provided to the applicant. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated the Commission has provided a great deal of feedback on the details and there will be more to come as we move through the process. In terms of Mass and Scale, based on the constraints the applicant is working with and the lot sizes there is not much flexibility with that. Discussion ensued among the Commission regarding windows and materials for trim as well as providing partial approval to the applicant with conditions. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated it seems the Commission seems comfortable to provide approval for mass and scale, allowing flexibility for the applicant and the Commission as we move forward through the process. We will list some items which will need to be worked out such as the simplification of the windows, reviewing the muntin details, reworking the vertical lines, rethinking the entrances, making them more prominent, and wider. Reworking the elevators ends of the buildings. Discussion ensued regarding requirements in the T-4 zone which requires residential construction to be above grade. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman made a motion in the matter of the Allendale Supportive Housing Development, 45 Allen Drive, that the application be partially approved with the following conditions - partial approval as a general design concept, site locations for mass and scale with the understanding that the applicant will return with revisions and details per the Commissions discussion regarding windows, façade details, trims and entrances. Leslie Mechem seconded the motion. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 12 of 15 Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Rob DuBoff, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 7-0 9. 20190432 BLACKLER EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, 62 Van Dam Street, Architectural Review of change in exterior materials within the Urban Residential-3 District. Applicant: Anne Villet Ms. Villet stated she and her husband own the property at 62 Van Dam Street. They were not aware of the processes of the city with regard to their home repairs. They submitted a DRC application in May 2019, attempting to obtain a building permit for siding. As the process unfolded, the vinyl siding we proposed was not adequate and did not meet the fire code. This led to a change. In October 2019 we had an approved permit and contacted the DRC and Mr. Birge for advice on how to proceed. It was then we were informed all exterior renovations needed to be included in the application. The current application includes materials and proposed windows, and siding. There are no changes proposed to the front porch currently on the building. We are roofing the back of the home using standing seam roofing. Prior to this meeting I noted the correspondence from the Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation noting our building is in the historic overlay district. We are hoping you will approve this application as presented since the Preservation Foundation has made recommendations concerning the windows the siding type and the doors. After surveying the surrounding neighborhood area there are homes that have 6 over 6 windows which we are proposing, vinyl siding which has been used and some other types of materials. The doors can be changed. We are hoping the Commission can approve what is there. We are happy to change the porch back to the original configuration as noted by the Preservation Foundation. The house needs some help and needs to be finished and has been in this sad state for quite some time. We would like to finish the project. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated walking through the application for clarification is the vinyl siding still what you are looking to install on this home? Ms. Villet stated to the proximity of the neighbors home cement board siding is required in some areas and not in others. We would like to keep our costs down so perhaps we could use a combination of Hardie board siding and vinyl with colors to match and width as well. Chris Bennett stated it would be more aesthetically pleasing to stay with one product. He recommends the Hardie board siding. Ms. Villet stated the cement board siding will help with sound proofing the home somewhat as well as the windows which they are proposing the Anderson 400 series windows in a 6 over 6 pattern. I would prefer to keep them. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman questioned the preference of the Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation for the windows. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated the letter from the Saratoga Springs Preservation Foundation stated the windows were removed and replaced without approval or any documentation of their condition. Documentation shows that the windows on the primary façade prior to their removal were two over two wood windows. Those windows may have replaced six over six windows since the historic extension prior to being removed and reconstructed without permission had six over six windows. Discussion ensued concerning the windows and it was the consensus of the Commission that vinyl windows would not be appropriate for this home. City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 13 of 15 Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated for clarification the windows which are on the home currently are Anderson 400 series vinyl windows. Also, we are looking at door replacements as well. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated continuing with the Saratoga Springs Preservation Letter it noted the front and rear doors were also removed and replaced without approval or any documentation of their condition. Based on documentation, the front door prior to being removed was a single-pane paneled wood door. Doors. The current aluminum front door is not appropriate. Ms. Villet stated we can change that. The new doors were installed since the building was broken into and was not usable. This was true of many of those windows. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated there are three homes in a row in this area that reflect the same era and are unique and contributing building to the West Side Historic District. This is the reason to maintain as much of the original characteristics as possible. The porch will not be rehabbed at this time but the door should remain a wooden door and exterior cladding should all be the same and fiber cement to meet fire code requirement. If the Commission had seen this application initially we would not have approved vinyl windows. Ms. Villet asked if the Board could possibly allow the front façade windows to be what the Commission and Preservation Foundation request and/or require and the remainder of the windows stay as proposed. Discussion ensued among the Commission regarding the appropriate materials to be used for this renovation. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman spoke about the vinyl windows and the applicant’s request to leave the vinyl windows on the three other facades with the main façade changing to wooden replacement windows. Leslie DiCarlo stated this was approved for other buildings in this area. Discussion ensued among the Commission regarding appropriate windows and the type of replacement windows proposed. The Commission discussed the chronology of the application, approvals and stop work orders. Rob DuBoff stated he would like to move the entry doors and the siding portion of the application forward and research more thoroughly the windows – what is proposed – what is requested and what the Commission and Preservation Foundation have noted. Chris Bennett stated he would move the application forward with wood doors, the wood two over two front windows, using the six over six proposed windows on the remainder of the building and the Hardie board siding. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman spoke regarding the suggestion of Commission member Rob DuBoff moving each item separately except for the windows. Rob DuBoff made a motion in the matter of the Blackler Exterior Modifications, 62 Van Dam Street, that the application be approved with the following condition – all siding will be cement siding. Leslie Mechem seconded the motion. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Rob DuBoff, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 7-0 City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 14 of 15 Rob DuBoff made a motion in the matter of the Blackler Exterior Modifications, 62 Van Dam Street, that the application be approved with the following condition – both entry doors will be wood with single pane glass. Ellen Sheehan seconded the motion. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Tamie Ehinger, Chairman, in favor; Karen Cavotta, Vice Chairman, Leslie DiCarlo, in favor; Rob DuBoff, in favor; Chris Bennett, in favor; Leslie Mechem, in favor; Ellen Sheehan, in favor; MOTION PASSES: 7-0 Rob DuBoff made a motion in the matter of the Blackler Exterior Modifications, 62 Van Dam Street, that the application be approved with the following condition – vinyl windows to remain except for the front façade, to be replaced with wood/wood two over two windows. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated for clarification there are not windows in all of the openings. You are authorizing the applicant to install windows in current openings. Discussion ensued among the Commission concerning the motion. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated it is his understanding that there are not windows in all the openings. They are not all installed, there are either current openings in the building or if there were openings they were installed following the stop work order. Ms. Villet stated no work was done following the stop work order. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated the Commission may wish to do what Rob suggested tabling this portion of the application and obtaining additional information from the Building Inspector and perhaps even a site visit noting the location of the windows and how they interact with other properties. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman stated feels that this is perhaps the best way to proceed. We have moved the siding and door portion of the application forward. A site visit is in order. We will add this to our caravan. Our next meeting is scheduled for January 15, 2019. 10. 20191044 WEXLER EXTERIOR MODIFICATIONS, 179 Nelson Avenue, Historic Review of change in exterior materials (slate roof to asphalt shingles) within the Urban Residential -3 District. No representative present for this application. Tamie Ehinger, Chairman tabled this application. UPCOMING WORKSHOPS/MEETINGS: Design Review Commission Caravan, Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 4:00 P.M. Design Review Meeting, Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 6:30 P.M. MOTION TO ADJOURN: There being no further business to discuss Tamie Ehinger, Chairman adjourned the meeting at 11:35 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Diane M. Buzanowski Recording Secretary APPROVED 1-15-20 City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 15 of 15 City of Saratoga Springs – Design Review Commission Minutes – December 11, 2019 - Page 16 of 15