Open Space Advisory Committee (OSAC)
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · June 26, 2019
Minutes
SARATOGA SPRINGS OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE
MEETING MINUTES
JUNE 26, 2019
5:00 P.M.
SARATOGA SPRINGS CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PRESENT:
Chair Tom Denny, Tim Holmes, David Miller, Maureen Roberts, Steve Samuell
ABSENT:
Zuzia Kwasniewski
CITY STAFF:
Tina Carton, Parks, Open Lands, Historic Preservation/Sustainability Coordinator
OTHERS PRESENT:
Marcia Kees, Professor at SUNY Albany, and John McMahon.
RECORDING OF PROCEEDING:
The minutes are not a verbatim record of the proceedings.
CALL TO ORDER:
Tom Denny called the meeting to order at 5:04 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT-15 MINUTES
No Public Comment
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The committee voted to approve the 5/29/2019 meeting minutes. Unanimous vote.
NRI UPDATE AND DISCUSSION
Three new maps recently given to the committee by LaBella Associates were reviewed in detail.
The Subwatershed Map was discussed and several minor inaccuracies noted, such as the
incorrect labelling of Geyser Creek as a “brook.” There also is no Geyser Pond as the map
indicates, but rather a wetland in that area. There is a directional error in the narrative box at the
bottom that will be corrected. Finally, we discussed whether the map’s scale should be changed
to match the scale of LaBella’s other maps in the packet. Tina Carton also stated that we might
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want to provide arrows on the waterways to show the direction of flow into larger bodies of
water.
Next, the Impervious Land Cover map was reviewed and the committee felt that the colors were
hard to read and tended to “blend together”, making it difficult to distinguish the different land
cover types. Marcia Kees stated that perhaps LaBella could use another map from the 2011
National database that would define the land cover more thoroughly.
The Public Water Supplies map was evaluated, and it was noted that the Geyser Creek wells are
not positioned in the correct location on the map. The number 3 wellhead is incorrectly labelled
and should read “Ballston Spa Wellheads.” There is the possibility that the Bog Meadow Brook
Dam is also listed in the wrong location. All of these issues will be raised with LaBella.
The committee also discussed that the city-owned buffer zone to Loughberry Lake should be
added to the map. In fact, all buffers zones or protected areas around water sources should be
added to the maps or addressed in the narratives.
UPDATE ON MINERAL SPRINGS
Tina has been working closely with her intern, Olivia, an undergraduate chemistry student at
RPI, on documents and maps outlining the mineral springs in Saratoga Springs. They also have
access to archives at the State Park with additional information. Previously, Jared Sayles, one of
the SUNY Albany graduate students who assisted with research in the fall of 2018, may have
pictures of many of the springs, which can be added to the report. In addition, there are also
many historic pictures from the Saratoga Room at the library that may be used.
In 2013, the Friends of Saratoga State Park tested a number of the mineral springs at the Saratoga
Spa State Park detailing the chemical composition of the springs. This could be added to the
report. It was mentioned that the park also drilled a new spring this year that should be added to
the map and narrative.
The committee discussed the possibility of the July meeting serving as a deadline for actual
drafts of our materials, as well as those from LaBella. A finalized document in the fall of 2019
would be a worthy goal.
POTENTIAL OPEN SPACE/TRAIL MAINTENANCE
Saratoga County Landfill Funding: Tina Carton mentioned there is the potential for the City to
utilized $25,000 from the Saratoga County Landfill Funding for trail maintenance. Tina Carton
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has been working on a trail asset inventory, which includes different trail segments, both
existing, and in progress. From that data, she arrived at an anticipated budget to maintain these
trails based on other regional costs. Regional costs average around $9,286 per mile per year to
maintain shared-use trails. The committee also discussed the upcoming addition of a plaque on
the Aletta Rd connection to Railroad Run that will bear Doug Haller’s name.
SCENIC RESOURCES
Tom Denny provided an overview of nine proposed categories: Water and watersheds/streams,
Distinctive Topographical Contours (e.g. ridgelines, cliffs, rock outcroppings), Long Range
Vistas, Rural Corridors, Forests buffering roads, Gateways (both auto and trail), Agricultural
Heritage, Light Pollution and Dark Skies, Trails (and access to habitats), Human Heritage
Structures and Sites.
The committee discussed the importance of water resources, as so much of Saratoga Springs
development is structured around different bodies of water, rivers, streams, etc. Ridgelines are
related to water as they are caused by prior geological events, and are important to document and
preserve.
Tom Denny itemized different watersheds and sub-watersheds, including Geyser Creek, Putnam
Brook, Slade Creek, Bog Meadow Brook, Kayaderosseras Creek, Fish Creek, Rowland Hollow
Creek, Spring Run, Bear Swamp, and the Lake Lonely outlet creek. Many scenic resources are
directly connected to the city’s watersheds. Our community has been built around our natural
resources.
The committee also discussed rural corridors, and noted that they are on the 2002 Open Space
Plan, but slightly obscured. Interstate 87 has sections that are very rural coming into Saratoga
Springs, but this road was not mentioned in the 2002 Plan. There are many unobstructed views
between exits 13 and 15. The City should consider protecting these views by limiting ridgeline
development. The committee also discussed looking at rural roads and gateways as a system of
“networks”, rather than isolated rural roads.
Tina Carton discussed that there are urban sections in the city’s historic districts with distinctive
views that should be preserved as unique human heritage sites.
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The OSAC expects that the list of scenic resources inventory will be enfolded into the NRI
document being finalized by LaBella Associates. It should also help city planning boards in the
future, as they evaluate new proposals and developments.
PUBLIC COMMENT
Mr. John McMahon commented on recent maintenance of the Spring Run Trail, noting that
recent trimming around the trail was overzealous, with cutting going too far back from the paved
trail. He hoped they would be more judicious in the future. Tina Carton suggested he send an
email DPW since they are responsible for the maintenance.
The meeting was adjourned at 6:30 pm.
ADJOURN
There being no further business, Tom Denny adjourned the meeting at 6:30 p.m.
NEXT MEETING: JULY 31 5PM, RECREATION CENTER / CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
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Agenda
SARATOGA SPRINGS OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE
AGENDA
JUNE 26, 2018
5:00 P.M.
RECREATION CENTER, 15 VANDERBILT AVE
1. WELCOME AND ATTENDANCE
2. PUBLIC COMMENT- 5 MINUTES
3. ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS
a. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
i. MAY 29, 2019
4. NRI UPDATE AND DISCUSSION
a. REVIEW OF NEW MAPS FROM 5/29/2019 (LOCATION: http://www.saratoga-springs.org/2223/Open-
Space-Advisory-Committee)
b. UPDATE ON NARRATIVE
i. MINERAL SPRING WORK TO DATE
ii. INTRODUCTION
c. SCENIC RESOURCES
5. POTENTIAL OPEN SPACE/TRAIL MAINTENANCE – SARATOGA COUNTY LANDFILL FUNDING
6. PUBLIC COMMENT- 10 MINUTES
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