Open Space Advisory Committee (OSAC)
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · September 23, 2020
Minutes
SARATOGA SPRINGS OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE
MEETING MINUTES
SEPTEMBER 23, 2020
5:00 P.M.
MEETING HELD VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM
PRESENT:
Mr. Tom Denny (Chair), Tim Holmes, Dave Miller, Jennifer Hunt Dempsey, Samuell Cary, Maureen
Roberts.
ABSENT:
John McMahon, Steve Samuel
CITY STAFF:
Tina Carton – Admin of Parks, Open Lands, Historic Preservation/Sustainability
OTHERS PRESENT:
Amy Durland and Maria Trabka.
RECORDING OF PROCEEDING:
The minutes are not a verbatim record of the proceedings.
CALL TO ORDER:
Tom Denny called the meeting to order at 5:04 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT
Maria Trabka praised Ms. Tina Carton for her excellent presentation of the Palmerton Ridge Project to
the City Council at a recent City Council meeting.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes from the Aug. 26,2020 meeting had not been circulated, so approval was tabled until the
October meeting.
NRI DRAFT REVIEW AND DISCUSSION
An update of the NRI was presented to the City Council on 9/1/20. There has been no response yet from
the city Council. It is expected that a final draft will be presented to the council on 10/20/20. Ms. Carton
will talk to the mayor before this meeting to see whether or not the Council would be ready that night
to vote to adopt the NRI.
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Ms. Carton mentioned that the UDO Draft is now available on the City’s website, and is open for public
comments until 11/25/20. Ms. Carton suggested we share/distribute the NRI document to interested
groups in the city, such as the Planning Department, Skidmore, etc.
OPEN SPACE PLAN UPDATE
In preparation for the meeting, OSAC members had completed a survey to evaluate MJ’s proposed
criteria for a Conservation Analysis tool for Saratoga Springs. The survey consisted of a table comparing
MJ’s criteria to three other important planning documents: 2020 NRI, 2002 Open Space Plan, and NYS
Open Space Criteria. OSAC members voted between 1 (very important) and 3 (not very important) when
evaluating the proposed criteria. They included: Parks and Recreation, Historic Significance, Community
Educational Facilities/services, Potential wildlife greenways, Wetlands, Floodplains, Waterways,
Groundwater and water resources, Forest, Biodiversity, Agricultural importance, Geology and steep
slopes, Potential for future development, and the potential for light pollution/dark skies. OSAC
responses had been collated into a summary table. This formed the basis for OSAC discussion about
various topics in the survey, and their importance to committee members.
All agreed that climate change needs to be addressed. Ms. Carton mentioned that heat islands and their
possible impact on the environment should be looked at.
Parks and recreation were highly valued, both active and passive recreational opportunities, and
connectivity between green spaces and parks is crucial.
The 2002 Open Space Plan did not address historical significance, but the OSAC felt this issue is
important, in that historical resources provide the distinctive character of our city.
Wildlife greenways: we need MJ to dig deeper into Labella’s mapping of these areas, and
perhaps include “blue ways” as well.
Groundwater: we need to delineate wellhead protection zones in the new open space plan.
Wetlands: received a high ranking from most members. Buffers are crucial, and are included in
the UDO.
Floodplain prediction: MJ is using FEMA data, but a recent document prepared by Columbia
Univ. professors and others looks at a “Flood Factor Tool” , which is in use for rating homes for
potential buyers, etc. We feel this may be a better tool than the FEMA data, and this will be
discussed with MJ.
Waterways: we need to look at recreational access also.
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Forests: We discussed the best way to approach forests and preservation. Perhaps breaking it
up into <or equal to 5 acres, 5-20 acres, and >20 acres might be appropriate for a city our size.
We should also look at “microforests”, which are dense forests within an urban area.
Biodiversity: We would like MJ to map out land cover and ecological habitats.
Potential for future development: MJ may be thinking that this applies to land with easy access
to city water and sewer, which would make it quite developable.
Dark skies and the potential for light pollution: this was not included in the 2002 Open Space
Plan. There was also nothing about scenic resources in 2002, and we would like this included in
the 2020 plan.
Mapping of viewsheds would be important, such as the viewshed mapping done for the
Battlefields years ago.
NEXT STEPS: Outreach Ideas
A list was assembled including stakeholders interviewed by the U Albany graduate students for the NRI,
the attendees at our NRI workshop in the library in Jan. 2019, and other city and county planning
groups. We discussed distributing the NRI and the NRI Executive Summary to some or all of these people
to increase awareness and keep them involved in the process going forward.
Ms. Carton showed us a study describing the increase in local citizens enjoying nature and the outdoors,
especially during the pandemic. It would be ideal to reach some of these other people that have not
been involved or going to meetings in the past, and get their input!
The committee discussed different ways to do this: a survey on the city’s website, social media posts
(like selfies in the local parks), and #hashtag campaigns on social media. OSAC members, those savvy on
social media, were asked to volunteer to work with Ms. Carton on this. Ms. Jennifer Dempsey
volunteered.
MJ would like the OSAC to spearhead the outreach initiatives, so we brainstormed ideas on how to do
this.
PUBLIC COMMENT
Ms. Maria Trabka brought to our attention a property located between Meadowbrook and the Bog
Meadow Trail that is needed to complete a link on the future Greenbelt Trail in our city. The City turned
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down the acquisition of this property, and she feels we may need to get involved to try to reverse this
decision.
Ms. Amy Durland commended the group on the quality of the NRI document. She discussed the
importance of water resources, slopes, and fields. Fields are important for bird populations, which are
currently threatened.
NEXT MEETING:
Next Meeting will be scheduled in person if possible.
ADJOURN
There being no further business, Mr. Denny adjourned the meeting at 6:33 p.m.
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Agenda
SARATOGA SPRINGS OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE
AGENDA
SEPTEMBER 23, 2020
5:00 P.M.
ZOOM MEETING
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The host will mute all public attending. Public comment is open at the beginning and end of the meeting and
will be limited to 2 minutes.
1. WELCOME AND ATTENDANCE
2. PUBLIC COMMENT
3. ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS
a. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
i. AUGUST 29, 2020
4. OPEN SPACE PLAN
a. CONSERVATION ANALYSIS SURVEY
b. NEXT STEPS
5. NRI FINAL DRAFT
a. UPDATE ON NRI PRESENTATION AT CITY COUNCIL – SEPTEMBER 1, 2020
6. PUBLIC COMMENT
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