Open Space Advisory Committee (OSAC)
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · August 25, 2021
Minutes
SARATOGA SPRINGS OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE MEETING
August 25, 2021
5 PM
3rd Floor Music Hall (City Hall) and via Zoom
1 Welcome and Attendance-
City Staff: Tina Carton
Committee Members: Tom Denny, Jenn Hunt Dempsey, Maureen Roberts, David Miller, Steve Samuell,
Ed Lindner.
Absent: Mr. John McMahon
Members of the Public: none.
2 Public Comment: none.
3 Administrative Business: Mr. Ed Lindner was introduced as the newest member of the OSAC, replacing
Mr. Tim Holmes. He is a semi-retired attorney, who has a long interest in bicycle infrastructure.
4 Approval of Minutes: The minutes from the two prior meetings on 6/23/21 and 7/28/21 were
reviewed and approved as circulated.
5 Update on Revised Bylaws: Ms. Tina Carton provided a paragraph detailing the history of the OSAC
back to 1970. Several changes to the bylaws have been made: there is no term limit for the president.
The responsibilities of the OSAC and in particular, how the committee interacts with the Planning Board,
has been delineated. The City Attorney, Mr. tony Izzo, has reviewed the changes and given his approval.
The OSAC had adopted bylaws in 2017 but these had never been submitted to City Council for approval.
Due to the mission of the OSAC having evolved over time, it was deemed essential to revise these
bylaws, to get feedback from the City Attorney, and then to submit the revised version to City Council.
The most recent version, with attorney changes, had not been circulated to the OSAC members. The
final version was to be sent to the OSAC after the Aug 25 meeting. Given that the committee had given
input earlier in the drafting process, that Tina (as City Staff) had made a final review, and Tony Izzo (City
Attorney) had reviewed and approved this latest version, the OSAC unanimously agreed to adopt this
version with the caveat that, if any member reviewed the final document and requested further
discussion, it would be brought back to the OSAC at the September meeting. If no member requested
this within one week following the August meeting, the version would stand approved as circulated and
would be sent on to City Council.
6 Update on Open Space Plan Progress: MJ consultants met with Tina Carton, Tom Denny, and Mike
Horn (Saratoga PLAN). They presented a Conservation Analysis Model, and it was felt that their maps
overemphasized stream corridors, and forested areas were not well shown. Some updated zoning maps
may help to better delineate parcels that are parks and areas adjacent to parks. An upcoming 9/24/21
steering committee meeting with MJ Consultants will be focused on these Conservation Analysis maps.
Include Funding in new Open Space Plan: MJ will provide information on funding for both acquisition
and maintenance of properties by September 10, 2021.
7 Discussion of OSAC on Observations From 7/28/21 Meeting with Commissioner Scirocco:
It was discussed that with capital improvements, we need maintenance monies too. The Operating
Budget currently does not provide the necessary funds for improvement to and maintenance of our
open space resources. Commissioner Scirocco plans on asking for more funding to cover an additional
vehicle and 3 personnel to maintain trails in the city. (Representatives from the State Park and from
PLAN had both felt this was more personnel that should be needed for current scale of open space and
trails.) Ms. Tina Carton would like to see a generic city template to deal with maintenance, with data
such as costs per mile included. This template could be attached to the new Open Space Plan. It is
critical that maintenance costs are tied in with acquisition of new properties.
The Committee discussed the possible use of dedicated Community Preservation Fund (CPF) for
maintenance. Several towns in NYS have CPF’s that can be funded by real estate transfer taxes. Other
funding options include: Property tax surcharges, sales taxes, and set-aside park fees.
Unfortunately, the laws that cover these towns do not apply to the city of Saratoga Springs. Legislation
would need to be passed for Saratoga Springs to have a CPF. We need to do more research into what
options and what limitations there are with funding through CPFs. Will the state Legislature pass it?
That remains to be seen, but it was discussed that having both the City Council and County Board of
Supervisors on board with the plan would be essential to its passage by the state Legislature.
In other municipalities, the CPF can be used for maintenance, but the costs are not to exceed 10% of the
fund. It would also be useful to have a CPF that could be used for acquisition. In purchasing property,
the city has to work with the appraised value of the property.
Commissioner Scirocco was very receptive to the idea of 501c3 funding, but he felt local volunteers
should have a limited role in maintenance projects involving trails and parks. We discussed the need to
speak with the City Attorney about the union workers’ contract and what volunteers can do without
“stepping on toes.” Since there are liability concerns, insurance covering volunteers is essential.
We discussed the possibility of a new position within DPW, that of a “Open Space Steward or Manager”,
something other towns and cities in nearby states have. This person could be the individual who
coordinates with volunteers, and roles would need to be clearly defined. In fact, the Recreation Dept in
our city has a person who deals with all the volunteers.
Bond Referendum: this may be necessary in the future, as we only have a small amount of money left
from the last bond referendum for land purchases. The new Open Space Plan will have information on
funding for both acquisition and maintenance. Also, much of what was in the 2002 Open Space Plan,
such as preserved parcels and parcels which have been purchased, will be included in the updated 2021
Plan.
OTHER BUSINESS: A discussion of “no-cut buffer zones” and regulation of conservation easements
followed, but Mr Denny made it clear that the OSAC will probably not get involved in this as it is strictly a
Planning board issue. Finally, Ms. Tina Carton discussed a new conservation subdivision Project before
the Planning Board on Kaydeross Ave E for which they will probably request an OSAC opinion. Some
OSAC committee members of the Planning Board will probably go out and walk this property with City
staff, which will for the basis for the OSAC advisory letter.
The meeting was adjourned at 6:30 PM by Mr. Tom Denny.
The next meeting is 9/22/21 at the 3rd Floor Music Hall in the City Hall building.
Agenda
SARATOGA SPRINGS OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE
AGENDA
AUGUST 25, 2021
5:00 P.M.
HYRBRID MEETING – MUSIC HALL AND ZOOM
3rd Floor Music Hall, City Hall, 474 Broadway
Member of the public as well as committee members must enter through the Music Hall
ramp door between 4:40 PM and 5 PM. City staff will meet you at this door. It is to the
left hand side of the front door on Broadway. All doors into City Hall will automatically
lock by 4:00 PM - even the police door. The Music Hall ramp door off of Broadway is
ADA accessible.
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1. WELCOME AND ATTENDANCE
2. PUBLIC COMMENT
3. ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS
a. INTRODUCTION OF ED LINDNER TO OSAC
b. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
i. JUNE 23, 2021 – MEETING MINUTES
ii. JULY 28, 2021 – MEETING MINUTES
c. UPDATE ON REVISED BY-LAWS
4. DISCUSSION: OPEN SPACE MAINTENANCE AND ITS FUNDING
a. DISCUSSION OF OSAC ON OBSERVATIONS FROM MEETING WITH COMMISSIONER SCIROCCO
b. 2021 OPEN SPACE PLAN – HOW TO INCORPORATE INTO UPDATED PLAN
5. PUBLIC COMMENT
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