Planning Board

PLANNING BOARD MINUTES WEDNESDAY, MARCH 24, 2010 7:00 P.M. CITY COUNCIL ROOM PRESENT: Clifford Van Wagner, Chair; Jamin Totino, Vice-Chair; Amy Durland; Philip Klein; Dan Gaba, Michael Perkins, Suzanne Bernardi- Cleary STAFF: Bradley S. Birge, Administrator, Planning & Economic Development CALL TO ORDER Chair Clifford Van Wagner called the meeting to order at 7:04 P.M. SALUTE TO THE FLAG ANNOUNCEMENT OF RECORDING OF PROCEEDING Clifford Van Wagner stated the proceedings of this meeting are being taped for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript of the recording. REPORT ON ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS BY THE CHAIR There are no actions by the chair. POSTPONED PROJECTS 09.053 McKENZIE’S WAY SUBDIVISION-PART 1, East Broadway, continuation of public hearing on a 6-lot subdivision in an Urban Residential-2 District. Adjourned to February 24, 2010. 09.054 McKENZIE’S WAY SUBDIVISION-PART 2, Cleveland Avenue, continuation of public hearing on a 6-lot subdivision in an Urban Residential-2 District. Adjourned to February 24, 2010. 09.057 WHITE FARMS ROAD BED AND BREAKFAST, 66 White Farms Road, continuation of public hearing for special use permit for five room neighborhood bed and breakfast in a Rural Residential-1 District. UPCOMING SCHEDULE March 30, 2010 7:00 PM Quarterly meeting of land use boards. Planning Board meeting will be held on Wednesday, April 14, 2010 @.7:00 PM. Planning Board meeting will be held on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 @ 7:00 P.M. TRAINING OPPORTUNITY: Local Government Planning & Zoning Workshop hosted by the Capital District Regional Planning Commission will take place on April 8, 2010 at Hudson Valley Community College. This is an opportunity for board members to obtain required continuing education redits. PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR Clifford Van Wagner gave this opportunity to allow citizens to address planning issues not on the scheduled agenda. JAMES DOYLE, Jefferson Street, Saratoga Springs, stated he would like to take this time to speak about the activity in the Horse Related Properties and the industry which is flourishing and starting to see a rebirth over on Gridley Street and Jefferson. One of the reasons this city is so noted and great is the horse applications. I think this is a great thing and I think it is a great thing for our city as well. APPLICATIONS: 1. 10.008 WJ GRANDE INDUSTRIAL PARK SUBDIVISION, Duplainville Road, continuation of public hearing on a four lot subdivision in the General Industrial District. Applicant: John Munter, Munter Land Holdings, LLC (Tom Nace agent) No disclosures. This is a four lot subdivision request in a general industrial district out at WJ GRANDE Industrial Park on Duplainville Road.(IND-G). At the last planning board meeting we spoke about this application. We were made aware that there are some butterfly habitat issues on a couple of these parcels. We must be mindful is that what is before us right now is a 4 lot subdivision, and an extension of Duplainville Road which is a county owned road, and is to be extended by a little less than 800 feet. At the last meeting we did vote on the SEQRA, for the four lot subdivision. Initially we are voting on drawing lines on a map to subdivide a large parcel of land into four smaller parcels and to extend the road. When the applicant returns to us with a building proposal on any one of the lots then the scrutiny will be deeper on those items. We also left this hearing open because the Saratoga County Planning board met last week and they were asked to comment. Duplainville Road is a county road. Any application which has a county road in them needs the County Planning Board review. Their decision for this four lot industrial subdivision 142 acres was to approve it. The extension of the county road was their prinicipal area of concern and the work to be conducted in the right of way. Further review by the Saratoga County Planning Board and the Department of Public Works will take place upon submission of individual site plans. The letter does not specifically address the ownership of Duplainville Road. Brad spoke to the County Planner, and he indicated that the County would indeed plan on taking ownership of the extension of Duplainville Road, some 796 ft. John Munter, Munter Land Holdings, LLC, Middlegrove stated nothing has really changed since their last appearance before thre board. What they are requesting is an approval for a four lot subdivision and the road extension. City of Saratoga Springs Planning Board Minutes – March 24, 2010 - Page 2 of 12 Clifford Van Wagner questioned if anyone in the audience wished to make a comment on this application tonight? None heard. POTENTIAL ACTION Future development on these lots shall require site plan review. It shall be the responsibility of future applicants for any future development on these lots to install all necessary improvements for utilities, including but not limited to, improvements to the existing sanitary pump station. As we indicated two weeks ago, any of the lots that have the Blue Lupine that they would need to contact Kathy O’Brien from the DEC an expert on this subject. Questions or comments from the Board. Amy Durland questioned Mr. Munter regarding the setbacks from the wetlands on the 4th lot. Also, just to have on the record when this does come back for subdivision approval, there are a number of issues regarding the hydrology of the area, the wetlands and flood plain and the issue of the bank and the stability of the banks that go to the stream. Consider possibly increasing the buffer depending on the circumstances. Assuming that you receive approval for your subdivision is your intention to simply extend the road and then it will allow the marketing of the property? Mr. Munter answered lot #1, 2, and 3 will be marketed and lot 4 will not be aggressively marketed at the present time. Amy Durland questioned Mr. Munter as to whether Lot #2 also had hydrology issues? Mr. Munter answered that the map they are looking at is a very conservative approach at trying to depict what is there. When lot #2 comes in for approval the wetlands would be delineated and accurately shown at that time. Amy Durland states she would like several issues identified for the record. One would be the hydrology of these lots. Especially Lots 2 and 4. Soil disturbance permit, again this relates to the hydrology of the area. The Karner Blue habitat as we have mentioned. Kathy O’Brien at the DEC has spoken about preserving the habitat as well as possible restoration areas. The Adams Road, rural scenic road designation and the open space plan. One of the immediate issues, Duplainsville extension, and how that might impact residential areas on the west end of Adams Road. Mr. Munter explained that the road extension, is approximately 2,000 feet from Adams Road. Amy Durland explained when Lot #3 comes in for site plan there probably would be an interest in the traffic and the access points, the traffic and how that would relate to Adams Road and the neighborhood. General issues of the single access point to Grande Industrial Park only one way in and out and generally how much traffic can be handled. Amy Durland stated there may be a need to reopen SEQRA during the review of any of the lot site plans. Also if there is an approval tonight, we might want to include as a condition that the status of the Rowland Hollow Creek as within the “Watercourse Protection Overlay District” City of Saratoga Springs Planning Board Minutes – March 24, 2010 - Page 3 of 12 may require additional protection provisions which would become elements of the site plan. If that is agreeable to the Board. Philip Klein stated for the record that there are additional entrances to the Grande Industrial Park, the main entrance that the trucks and busses take, and then there is another entrance that goes out from Quad’s headquarters to Adams Road, and is only used by visitors and Quad employees. All the large traffic comes in on at one single intersection. Clifford Van Wagner states that when the application of Eagle Beverage Distributing Company, came before the Board they did a traffic study and showed that at least their impact was minute. Jamin Totino stated there is a project called Meadow Vista. This project when it comes to fruition, involves a public trail access throughout these woods and try to develop a connection a walking connection. This is managed by Saratoga Plan, it was part of the subdivision process is that they agreed to take the maintenance of those trails over. It really would be in partnership with them. Interesting potential to try to connect that trail to Adams Rd, and possibly Beaver Pond. PUBLIC HEARING: The public hearing is closed. Motion by Jamin Totino, seconded by Dan Gaba. VOTE: J. Totino, in favor; A. Durland, in favor, Michael Perkins, in favor; P.Klein, in favor; D. Gaba, in favor; Suzanne Bernardi-Cleary, in favor; Clifford Van Wagner, in favor Motion carries 7-0. 2. 10.007 SUBDIVISION OF LANDS OF MOUNT OLIVET BAPTIST CHURCH, Southwest corner of Crescent Street & Jeffersaon Street, public hearing on a two lot subdivision in the Urban Residential-2 and Urban Residential-4 Districts. Applicant: James Doyle, Agent Disclosures: None Applicant went to the ZBA for an area variance for mean lot width several months ago and basically we asked Mr. Doyle to come back tonight because we are concerned about the safety of the corner lot being Jefferson Street and Crescent St. The two lot subdivision residential district shows the sidewalk in front of the proposed house but the parking lot of the church is undefined, there is no sidewalk, there are no curb cuts, and we had a concern for safety as well as the corner which is rounded out and we need to slow traffic down a little bit. Paul Male, City Engineer met with Bradley Birge, Administrator of Planning and Economic Development and Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman of the Planning Board at a meeting last week to take a look at this. The City Engineer was in favor of widening out that intersection, putting a curb around it to slow traffic down and also to define the pedestrian traffic. We asked Mr. Doyle to come back with a proposal, for parking and egress and ingress. City of Saratoga Springs Planning Board Minutes – March 24, 2010 - Page 4 of 12 Mr. Doyle stated that there is uncertainty with regard to the Church, and whether it will continue to go on. What we have discussed and come to some decisions with regard to improving the curb and sidewalk on Jefferson Street, at least. We did address the safety issue. I have exteneded the sidewalk from the existing houses to the south. We have extended the curb all the way around. The City Engineer approved of the widening of the curb. This is a positive start to the proposed site plan. Extend the sidewalk from the residential properties to the south, all the way up to the corner of Crescent Street. We are going to take the curb and run it along the same line and run it around the corner so that it comes onto Crescent and finds the intersection. At the workshop there was some concern regarding the stone dust on Jefferson, but Mr. Doyle agreed to take the blacktop in 8 or 10 feet just so there would not be that problem of the stonedust on the interior of the sidewalk. We also spoke regarding the potential to possibly get some greenspace in the area of the intersection. Philip Klein stated that all the Board was looking for was approximately a 12 foot diameter small little garden, with flowers and low plantings. Mr. Doyle agreed to the above recommendation. Bradley Birge interjected that the department of public works information regarding egress and ingress in the engineer’s office and they thought that with a 14 foot width in the Crescent Street area it was most appropriate for an entrance only, along that area. The 24 width on Jefferson Street could accommodate and would accommodate both egress and ingress at that area. They did recommend curbing as was recommended to contain stonedust when plowing, etc., The only other item they did suggest that the sidewalk at the corner of Crescent and Jefferson be accessible. Sidewalk along Jefferson will handicapped accessible at the northern end by Crescent. The curb that goes all along Jefferson and curbs around onto Crescent to define the intersection. Concrete apron on the inside of the Jefferson Street driveway access to contain stonedust and then the Crescent Street access for parking will be a direction in only and on Jefferson Street, since it got an increase width that it would be ingress and egress and in the bullnose area at Crescent and Jefferson there will be an effort to plant some greenspace somewhere in the vicinity of a 12 foot diameter area to lessen the impact of all the blacktop. Amy Durland stated that she wanted to mention the letter the Board received from Jeff Novo earlier this month. He had two concerns. Whether the parking lot was actually going to be built. The other he mentioned grading and water table problems. Has Paul Male signed off on this, in terms of drainage? Cliff Van Wagner, Chair informed the Board that at the meeting he attended with Bradley Birge and Paul Male, the City Engineer was not aware of any issues with drainage. Mr. Doyle stated that Jeffrey Novo is the neighbor to the immediate south. The two houses that were built on Jefferson Street they were built with a higher sub basement floor. He is concerned about the water table there but the City put in a whole new storm system in all the way to Vanderbuilt, not only for that house but the new house just completed on Crescent Street. The water table has subsided or has been lessened. There really is not an issue there. Bradley Birge interjected since he was present at this meeting. Paul Male, City Engineer City of Saratoga Springs Planning Board Minutes – March 24, 2010 - Page 5 of 12 did review concerns regarding water table problems, or drainage issues and did not see any issues there. Mr. Doyle stated that he will be taking up a lot of blacktop as it appears now. When you put that curb in we are going to be clawing up a lot and dirt will be on the inside of that curb. Also. you have a storm system between his property and this church property as well. I don’t see ground water or surface water traveling down to him or near his property. Anyone in the audience wish to be heard regarding this 2 lot subdivision? None heard. Clifford Van Wagner, Chair questioned trees and streetlights? One street tree on Jefferson. Discussion of placement of street light and trees in this area. Street tree on lot one. SEQRA short form was reviewed no large or important impacts were identified. Jamin Totino made a motion based upon the information provided by the applicant in Part I of SEQRA shortened EAF and the analysis of the information provided and presented in Part II of the SEQRA shortened EAF I find the project will not result in any large or important impact and is therefore one that will not have a significant adverse impact on the environment, I move to issue a SEQRA negative declaration for this action. Seconded by Philip Klein. VOTE: J. Totino, in favor; A. Durland, in favor; P.Klein, in favor; M. Perkins, in favor; D. Gaba, in favor; S.Bernardi-Cleary, in favor; C.Van Wagner, in favor. Motion passes 7-0. Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman states the board needs to vote on the subdivision, conditions as agreed includes, includes sidewalks, curbs, and an entrance on Crescent Street, exit and entrance on Jefferson Street, and a green space at the bulb out of Crescent and Jefferson, a street tree on lot 1, the curb cut at the north end of Jefferson Street will be handicap accessible, with a wheelchair accessible ramp and the apron of the driveway will be either concrete or blacktop on either side of the sidewalk on Jefferson Street, and the entrance on Crescent is one way. Departmental comments, identify size and type of water line. Drawings show a ¾” line, which is acceptable. Department of Public works states install catchbasin(s) and drywells and tie into existing drainage system to the south. Motion by Philip Klein for the subdivision, seconded by Suzanne Bernardi-Cleary. Another other discussion on this subdivision. Anyone in the audience who wishes to comment on this application? None heard. VOTE: J. Totino, in favor; A. Durland, in favor; M.Perkins, in favor; P. Klein, in favor; D. Gaba, in favor; S. Bernardi-Cleary in favor; C. Van Wagner, in favor Motion passes 7-0. Board recessed at 8:05PM and resumed at 8:10 PM. City of Saratoga Springs Planning Board Minutes – March 24, 2010 - Page 6 of 12  3. 10.010 CONGRESS PLAZA REDEVELOPMENT, 46 Congress Street, sketch plan discussion of redevelopment of site for mixed retail and residential use in the Traansect-6 and Urban Residential-5 Districts. Applicant: Donald MacElroy (Matt Hurff, Frost Architure, Agent) Disclosures; None Presentation of proposed “District Intent” the urban core is the densest business, cultural and entertainment concentration of the City of Saratoga Springs and the surrounding region. The purpose of this district is to appropriately regulate design and creation of a consistently high quality pedestrian oriented public realm in character with the historic forms, materials, and colors of Downtown Saratoga Springs without unduly restricting re-use of historic structures of architectural diversity. Two to seven story buildings as appropriate. Retail, restaurant, office residential, light industrial and civic uses integrated at building lot and block level. Streetscape includes pedestrian amenities such as benches, trash cans and information kiosks. Access by vehicles with egress and ingress along souther portion of parcel where it does not currently exist. Break up of a large block area in a T-6 district. Safety improvements for internal circulation patterns. Traffic patterns to be studied along with multiple curb cuts. Clifford Van Wagner stated that at the workshop if somehow we could take each one of these buildings with the bridge over and create a cardboard model if you will, so as we go through these various stages of this we can move them and get a better idea of how this will fit on the lot. The Board has some concerns regarding how this will effect adjacent and contiguous properties i.e, CVS, Wendy’s and the existing apartment complex to the south and the parcels of the land which are on the backside of the alley to the west, this was asked of the architect Mr. Frost. Mr. Frost replied that this is so diagramatic at this point that it is not really helpful. We need to do a three dimensional model of the entire site. This is critical because one of the main features is site, and the change in grade. There are significant things going on in terms of grade changes and it was my sense that to do a site model that is fairly accurate in terms of grade changes and everything else and then put these in a box form that we can move around and look at different levels, and would be a good tool. Clifford Van Wagner stated that what you are proposing is great idea, whereby the Board can look at what is there now and then what is proposed, as well as what is contiguous to it on all four sides. Michael Perkins stated that we do need to understand the heights relative to the surrounding properties. At some point shadow studies, this is early on but also the street connections. Depending on the height of these properties and the fairly narrow road, what type of potential tunnel situation is created. Mr. Frost replied that this type of model is useful for them as well. That is how preliminary this is. In terms of the design and three dimensionality of the site, scale of it as a model is almost essential. Clifford Van Wagner stated that his concern is the street that will be created off the south end City of Saratoga Springs Planning Board Minutes – March 24, 2010 - Page 7 of 12 of South Federal and going through and exiting onto Congress Street, the worry is safety. What you have is a parking lot on either side of that. When you get on the side of CVS and as that road comes out and goes perpendicular to Congress there could easily be pedestrians as well as cars coming out of the parking areas with a through street going through the center of it. Parking is going to have to be clearly articulated. Jamin Totino states that this is exciting. This area is ripe for redevelopment and there is a lot of potential here. There is really a change to introduce some historical elements into the site, such as the railroad bridge we discussed earlier. I do have concern regarding traffic flow. It is a great concern now in this area and with the increase in traffic it becomes even more of a concern. Discussion ensued regarding the placement of the exit road from the plaza. Mr. Frost relates how when CVS was first in the Plaza there was talk about extending Federal Street right through. This is a private street, it will be open to the public 24 hours a day as the plaza is now. It is essentially circulation for this plaza. One of the ideas of this is to bring the people into the plaza so they can see all the stores visually read the signs and be in there. Quite frankly, we are not trying to create a shortcut from one point to another and create a public road. There will be as you are aware stop signs all over the place in here. There will some type of traffic study done. This is very problematic, it looks simple on a two dimensional drawing. We have to remember that this is an anchor tenant and he exists. He is very jealous about his parking. Amy Durland agrees with Jamin Totino regarding the area being ripe for redevelopment. In general it is a very positive thing although, are any of the retail establishments there are the entrances both on Congress Street as well as in the plaza? Mr. Frost answered yes. This is one of the challenges. The entrances to the stores will be on both sides, so they are at different levels. Amy Durland states that she is extremely glad that they are coming before the Board for a sketch plan. This is to everyone’s benefit. The layout of this project does make me feel uncomfortable as a T-6 project. In reviewing the ordinance, section called streets and street scapes development standards applicable to the Transect zones and look at the information regarding the urban center T-6 areas. The fact that they talk about the interior block, shared public and private parking access by alleys as a defining feature on smaller blocks, I am quite concerned about the effect of a large parking area inside if people access those retail establishments from the inside. From my perspective it looks like a sea of parking. That is contrary to T-6. Whereas there is a big effort to hide the parking, or to have parking accessible but not dominant. My reaction would be that the access road which you characterized as private be more of a more public way that may also have storefronts and that their be some accomodation for parking behind them. This is an opportunity to redefine this type of retail plaza, really rethinking the configuration of it. This is something that could not be approved right now according to the Ordinance. There are constraints but my initial reaction at this point is one of concern. I do not feel this is what was anticipated by the T-6 district. Mr. Frost stated that this is the challenge here, no question about it. The road is defined by buildings on both sides. There are ways of defining this better. Is the issue the appearance of parking or the actual parking? Amy Durland states the appearance of parking. It looks like a big parking lot as the central feature of the project. The Ordinance does not state that you cannot have parking lots and City of Saratoga Springs Planning Board Minutes – March 24, 2010 - Page 8 of 12 certainly parking is an issue that we are sensitive to. Also, the ordinance does endorse parking garages which I know is part of this plan. Maybe there are pieces here that perhaps are not arranged correctly in the broadest sense. One of the things we are dealing with here is the long term lease with CVS, and they have a significant amount of site control. They are very jealously guarding their parking. So we have to work with the City for a plan that works in this particular location, yet at the sametime our tenant and perhaps other tenants basically have veto power over what we do there. So it is a balancing act for us. Clifford Van Wagner states that is why you are in a sketch plan phase of this. Any Board members comments are fair game and I think your ability to put a 3-D model will open up all sorts of doors for this. We are not going to come to any finality tonight. I did check with Brad and the code states that you do get 2 sketch plans but we can waive that certainly that would be my inclination to bring you back for many sketch plans. This is exciting for us we can actually do some planning here. This is not knee jerk, this is proactive planning. This gives us a great opportunity, and the more comments that you hear from us the more we are going to be able to say pick that up and move it, or turn this in a different direction. Jamin just made a comment to me regarding parking. Jamin Totino states that he was listening to Amy Durland’s concern and I wonder if there is an opportunity for some type of boulevard type of feel down here like in Commonwealth Avenue in Boston, that mitigates some of the impact of the visual piece of parking and that is a big question that I will have to wrestle with too, is it parking or is it the visibility of the parking. How this can be layed out and viewed and the aesthetic value of it is an interesting question. The other thing is the cemetary up there and as a SEQRA issue and certainly as a sensitivity issue to the neighborhood, there has been a lot of restoration as you know especially on that front end up on the street level which has been done. I am concerned regarding parking right up against that cemetary now after all the concern and care that the neighborhood has put into it. Mr. Frost states that they have given thought about the cementary not with anything specifically to accomodate that concern. It is urban cemetary basically, it was a lot more urban before than it is now. Assuming that this configuration stays and that this remains a parking garage backed up to the property line it is an issue how do we treat that wall or what does it look like from the cemetary, it is a sensitive issue, no question about it. Suzanne Bernardi-Cleary questioned CVS and their entitlement to so many spaces? Also, the is the number of parking spaces more than what is there now or less? There will be less parking spaces available than there is now. If you check the zoning ordinance regarding what is allowed for parking, they project is actually coming up light where the parking is concerned. Suzanne Bernardi-Cleary states that she can envision shopping, sitting down, perhaps on benches, perhaps eating looking out at trees and have something more than the starkness of parking. It would be very attractive. A Lifestyle Center, this will be the first one in the Capital Region, that is really truly a lifestyle center. live, work and play. The intimacy of a lifestyle center if you have seen them is wonderful and that is what we are really trying to pattern this in that direction. The intimacy of Saratoga City of Saratoga Springs Planning Board Minutes – March 24, 2010 - Page 9 of 12 it is a perfect match. Philip Klein stated that when he first looked at the drawings, I see that there is another drive thru bank and I think you touched on it a little regarding the number of tenants that you hoped to retain and move into that new angular building so in the spirit of retaining tenants, and moving them is there a possibility of retaining CVS being able to move somewhere else on the lot thereby opening up the whole lot so that the configuration might have a better flow. I concur with Jamin the private street needs to be a wide boulevard type with wider sidewalks with trees with fewer curb cuts and lanes circle around. Mr,. Frost stated that CVS has a 30 – 40 year lease. Enhancing or strongly defining this will include a widening of the street and thereby a loss of parking spaces. That is a given with anything that we do beyond adding trees. We have a lot to deal with. Discussion ensued regarding number of residential units, parking garage spaces, open parking spaces and square footage of proposed apartment/condo. Michael Perkins questioned if the residential area proposed was over 20,000 square feet, because if it is the T-6 ordinance requires civic space in a project of this size, and this is not indicated in the sketch plans. Concerns were also expressed regarding traffic in this area as well. Matt Hurff commented that the civic space is not indicated in the current sketch plan. Clifford Van Wagner noted that CVS pharmacy will add a drive thru as well as one of the banks. How firm are those plans? Mr. Frost indicated that these were just preliminary thoughts/plans. Amy Durland stated that if the entire plaza was demolished except for the CVS, it seems you could start from scratch. I would prefer that you go back to the Ordinance and really reconceive this project. It is not appropriate the way it is. Tweaking it or trying to disguise things in a mild way doesn’t seem to work. You are missing an opportunity. The ordinance is really clear in terms of design guidelines for T-6. This parking in the middle of the project is what again looks like the central feature. This is not consistent with what was anticipated for this zone. A different concept would be my preference. Regarding the Lifestyle Center, I am not familiar with what a lifestyle center is apart from any of the other Transect-6 projects that have happened in other areas. Mr. Frost questioned the T-6 zone. His understanding of such a zone is a downtown urban fabric. Streets that intersect with each other and one of the things is to try and promote pedestrian activity. We almost go back to some of the comments that came up when CVS was proposed. We can do some additional drawings and try to present something of what a T-6 zone should be. Jamin Totino stated that topographical maps would help as well as an aerial site map not just of the site but of the area around it. It will be important not just for this site but how it will interact with the areas around it. Mr. Frost stated the model will help. The addition of some surrounding buildings can also be added. City of Saratoga Springs Planning Board Minutes – March 24, 2010 - Page 10 of 12 Clifford Van Wagner would also like to see the impact of adding on a drive thru to CVS, without impacting or interferring with thru traffic considering they have parking spaces adjacent to that corner. Clifford Van Wagner asked if anyone in the audience would like to speak regarding this application? None heard. Amy Durland apologizes for the late disclosure my son who is a minor has worked for about a year and half at the CVS. I don’t believe this requires recussal. Just a note for the record. Dan Gaba questioned again the CVS and it’s lease in the plaza. Mr, MacElroy states that CVS is about 8 years into what is probably with options a 30 or 40 year lease. For better or worse this is what we have to live with. Clifford Van Wagner states again this is exciting for the Board. Allow more than two sketch plans and gives the applicants as well as the Board a much better idea on where this project is. This is a work in progress and once you have more information Mr. Frost knows the plan and talk to Bradley Birge and get back on the agenda and we will be able to finesse this and if it takes more than two weeks to prepare the cardboard model simulated building to scale. We look forward to working with you. Philip Klein appreciates the thought that went into the parallel buildings and the wider street. Wondering why was there a reason you did not carry it through and allow for store fronts on both sides. Mr. Frost states they would again have to take a look at the impact on CVS, parking, and visibility. Amy Durland comments on items to take back and review and consider I would like to throw out the whole complete streets emphasis we have been trying to remember especially urban projects. Congress Street was anticipated as a bike boulevard, and we just want to make sure that whatever you end up doing that you consider all citizens needs, pedestrians, as well as cyclists, people with strollers and wheelchairs and all people who might be using that plaza. Clifford Van Wagner states that just for the record he is disclosing that he also a Phamacist and his practice does not have any bearing on CVS. Any concerns, questions, or directions from the Board? Bradley Birge stated that he believes that the Board has provided very good input to the applicants. It sounds as if they have been very open to your comments and suggestions and discussions. Whenever they are ready to be placed back on the agenda, please let me know and we look forward to that. ADJOURNMENT City of Saratoga Springs Planning Board Minutes – March 24, 2010 - Page 11 of 12 There being no further business, Clifford Van Wagner adjourned the meeting at 9:05PM. Respectfully submitted, Diane M. Buzanowski Recording Secretary Approved 7-0: April 28, 2010 City of Saratoga Springs Planning Board Minutes – March 24, 2010 - Page 12 of 12