Planning Board
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · February 23, 2011
Minutes
PLANNING BOARD
MINUTES
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2011
7:00 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
PRESENT: Clifford Van Wagner, Chair; Jamin Totino, Vice-Chair; Amy Durland;
Philip Klein; Dan Gaba; Howard Pinsley
ABSENT: Suzanne Bernardi-Cleary
STAFF: Kate Maynard, Principal Planner, City of Saratoga Springs
Mark Schachner, Planning Board Attorney, joined the meeting at 8:15 PM.
CALL TO ORDER: Chair Clifford Van Wagner called the meeting to order at 7:10 P.M.
SALUTE TO THE FLAG
ANNOUNCEMENT OF RECORDING OF PROCEEDING
Clifford Van Wagner stated the proceedings of this meeting are being taped for the benefit of
the secretary. Because the minutes are not a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes
are not a word-for-word transcript of the recording.
REPORT ON ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS BY THE CHAIR
There are no actions by the chair.
ANNOUNCEMENT OF ADJOURNED PROJECTS:
ADJOURNED AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST
10.042 THE MEWS, 60 Weibel Avenue, review of site plan of mixed use builidng in the
Transect-4 District.
10.052 CDJT WORKFORCE HOUSING, Citywide, City Council request for an Advisory
Opinion for review of Zoning Amendment Proposal request for workforce housing.
10.040 WASHINGTON COMMONS, Washington Street and Central Avenue, sketch (site)
plan discussion of a mixed use building in the Transect-4 District.
10.058 SIRO'S 168 Lincoln Avenue, special use permit for outdooor entertainment
in the Institutional – Horse Track Related District. Adjourned to March 9, 2011.
ADJOURNED – WAITING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
10.049 166 JEFFERSON STREET, 166 Jefferson Street, site plan review of 10 unit residential
building in the Urban Residential-4 District.
10.028 CELLCO-VERIZON CELL TOWER, 81 Nelson Avenue, SEQRA evaluation of potential
environmental impact for a new 90' monopine telecommunications tower and associated
equipment in a Urban Residential-2 District.
10.027 307 GRAND AVENUE MULTI-FAMILY, 307 Grand Avenue, public hearing on special
use permit for multi-family housing in the Transect-4 District.
10.031 307 GRANDE AVENUE MULTI-FAMILY, 307 Grand Avenue, review of site plan for
multi-family housing in the Transect-4 District.
ANNOUNCEMENT OF UPCOMING PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS/AGENDA WORKSHOP:
Planning Board Caravan scheduled for March 7, 2011 at 4:00 P.M.
Planning Board Workshop scheduled for March 7, 2011 at 5:00 P.M.
Planning Board Meeting scheduled for March 9, 2011 at 7:00 P.M.
PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR
Clifford Van Wagner gave this opportunity to allow citizens to address planning issues not on
the scheduled agenda.
MaryBeth Delarm 96 Quevic Drive, Saratoga Springs. I was told by an employee of City Hall
that a portion of the Beaver Pond Project papers were found in another office at the other end of
the City Hall building. I just want to make sure that the papers we filed are in the file and on
record. The maps and soils were unsuitable to build single family dwellings per the USDA. I am
turning
my original information over to the Board to ensure their inclusion in the file.
10.058 SIRO'S, 168 Lincoln Avenue, special use permit for outdoor entertainment in the
Institutional Horse Track Related District.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated that this application has been adjourned to March 9,
2011, but due to the fact that public notice that has already been issued we will open the public
hearing this evening.
PUBLIC HEARING:
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman, opened the public hearing at 7:18 PM for Siro's application for
a special use permit for outdoor entertainement in the Institutional Horse Track Related District,
and asked if anyone would like to speak regarding this application?
None heard.
The public hearing will remain open.
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LATE ADJOURNMENT:
2. 10.013 WHITE FARMS ROAD BED AND BREAKFAST, 66 White Farms Road,
public hearing for special use permit for six room corridor bed and breakfast in a
Rural Residential-1 District.
APPLICATIONS UNDER CONSIDERATION:
3. 08.051-2 ROSEBROOK SUBDIVISION MODIFICATION, Carriage House
Lane, sketch plan for 4 lot subdivision in the Suburban Residential-1 District.
Applicant: Renee Rosebrook
Agent: John Witt Construction
SEQR: No SEQR required with sketch plan discussion.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated subdivision was approved by this Board on November
12, 2008. This subdivision was filed with the County and is a legal subdivision. No decision will
be rendered on this application this evening. Mr. Witt is here to ask for an amendment for the
subdivision. This is a sketch plan presentation tonight. He is here to discuss alternatives.
John Witt, representing Renee Rosebrook. Mr. Witt gave a visual presentation and overview of
the site. Some restrictions were placed on the property, which has made them more difficult to
sell. Mr. Witt gave a visual presentation of three options and reconfigurations of the property
making better use of the conservation subdivision. There are no substantial changes related to
protected open space with these three options. Option 3 could provide slightly more wooded
open space to the rear of Lot #1 in exchange for less protection of grass and slight vegetation
area on the Carriage House Lane frontage.
Kate Maynard, Principal Planner stated the re-calculation of the open space percentage should
be completed with any subdivision amendment application. Keeping the buffer along Clement
Avenue is valuable for screening purposes but questionable as far as open space value is
concerned. Clement Avenue access is recommended directly across from the Hospice
entrance or offset at a distance of 150 feet or more. Lot #4 per Fire Chief Williams and City
Engineer Paul Male, stated the home will have to be equipped with a residential fire suppression
system designed by a professional, including a sprinkler system, water storage and emergency
pump with generator.
Discussion ensued among the Board as to the preference for which configuration is most
acceptable to the Board.
Philip Klein stated he preferred Option #2 with the offset driveway. He does prefer a curb cut
on Carriage House Lane.
Jamin Totino stated he is between Option #2 and Option #3. Regarding Option #3 and the
existing home on Lot #1 and what is already being mowed. To me this comes up to an
enforcement issue. The homeowner is used to mowing that area even if we do plant trees
along the property line or install a split rail fence to delineate Lot #1 and Lot #2.
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Amy Durland stated she did not support this subdivision originally. Of the three Options that are
presented, l give you credit for Option # 3 does give you the most contiguous open space. If we
look at our conservation analysis the first time, the item that most characterizes the principal
upon which we were trying to make our decision for the subdivision is the amount of contiguous
open space. If we choose Option #3, Lots #2 and #3,even though the lots are contiguous, they
would almost certainly choose to put buffers in. The idea that you would put a split rail fence
there would mean you would sacrifice some of that internal contiguous open space. If I were to
choose I'd choose Option #3 which has some merit. To be clear, I did not support this before
because of reasons that are still there. However, I do appreciate the fact that you did come up
with some creative thoughts about it.
Dan Gaba stated he likes the additional conservation area in Option #3. He would like to see
plantings that extend all the way down the property to Carriage House Lane
Clifford Van Wagner, likes the curb cut on Carriage House Lane and also likes the offset on
Lot #3. He would encourage the beginning of some plantings that will delineate lots and provide
as much open space as possible.
Kate Maynard, Principal Planner stated the applicant must keep at least 35% open space in
total on all four of the lots.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated Mr. Witt will now go back to the applicant and decide if
they wish to amend the application for the subdivision incorporating some of the ideas and
suggestions of the Board. When this is in place they will be on the agenda once again.
Board recessed at 7:55 PM
Board reconvened at 8:15 PM
Mark Schachner, attorney for the Planning Board joined the meeting at 8:15 PM.
05.057.2 BEAVER POND VILLAGE, 98 Geyser Road, final review of 85 lot subdivision in the
Rural Residential-1 and Urban Residential-1 Districts.
Applicant: Saratoga East Avenue Associate, LLC
Agent: Dan Ruzow, Whiteman, Osterman and Hanna
Chad Cooke, Boswell Engineering
Terresa Bakner, Whiteman, Osterman and Hanna
January 21, 2004 , April 21, 2004 and October 20, 2004 the Planning Board held sketch plan
discussions on this proposed subdivision.
On December 7, 2005 the Planning Board classified this project as an "unlisted action” and
decided to initiate coordinated review with a request to be lead agency.
On January 11, 2006 the Planning Board voted to establish itself as lead agency.
On January 18, 2006 the Planning Board issued a "positive declaration". The applicant
submitted a draft scoping document on January 25, 2006.
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On February 2, 2006 the Board released a draft scoping document to the involved agencies and
the public. The Board held two public scoping sessions on February 14, 2006 and Thursday,
February 16, 2006.
On March 15, 2006 the Board adopted a final scoping document for the DEIS. On April 4, 2007,
the DEIS was accepted for public review.
A public comment peirod was held from April 4, 2007 to May 3, 2007.
The Planning Board held two public hearings – April 30, 2007 and May 3, 2007.
In January 2008, the applicant submitted a Draft FEIS for review. Additional items and
corrections were identified by the Chazen Companies on behalf of the Planning Board.
On February 27, 2008 the Planning Board requested a status update from the applicant.
On June 4, 2008 the applicant submitted a revised FEIS for review.
On June 30, 2008 the Planning Board held a meeting specifically for the Beaver Pond Village
application to review the FEIS.
On July 17, 2008 the applicant submitted a revised SWPPP.
On August 6, 2008 the applicant submitted additional information including an 84 lot alternative
and corresponding data for insertion into the FEIS.
On August 12, 2008 the applicant submitted responses to a memo from the Planning Board
consultants.
On September 3, 2008 additional materials were submitted by the applicant in response to
comments from the Planning Board on August 13th and in response to a memo from staff and
consultants.
On September 10, 2008 the Planning Board deemed the FEIS complete.
The FEIS was submitted by the applicant on October 17, 2008 and subsequently distributed to
involved and interested agencies. THe FEIS is available for review on the website, the library
and the planning office.
The Notice of Completion was completed on October 17, 2008 after receipt of the FEIS.
The Planning Board held a public hearing for the subdivision review on October 29, 2008 and
closed public hearing on April 29, 2009.
Preliminary subdivision approval granted with conditions June 10, 2009.
Preliminary subidivision approval extension granted until June 11, 2011.
November 23, 2010 – Planning Board members deemed final subdivision plat provided is
"substantially in agreement" with the preliminary approved plat. Per Code, formal public/notice
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hearing requirements have been met for project as currently propsoed, any further public notice
was at the discretion of the Board.
SEQR:
Planning Board prepared and accepted a Final Environmental Impact Statement as complete at
its September 10, 2008 meeting.
Planning Board issued a Positive Findings Statement for the proposed project on May 13, 2009.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated the applicant is here tonight for final review. At the last
meeting we spoke about such items as the conservation easement, the open space
management plan, the declaration covenant and also the homeowner's association.
Mark Schachner, Planning Board attorney stated that we have come a long way. The applicant
has satisfied all legal concerns that we have expressed. We went through all the documents
with a fine tooth comb. We did have very substantial concerns which were addressed and
documents revised and addressed appropriately and successfully. It has been a very laborious
process and I think the applicant has done a very good job addressing all concerns of a legal
nature and done so successfully.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated some outstanding issues that remain to be discussed.
Phasing, the water line and sewer lines, the road being roughed in for the entirety of the project,
wetland mitigation as well as protection for the Karner Blue Butterfly and protection of the
archeological site be done up front before any construction begins.
Kate Maynard, Principal Planner stated some areas of concerns the Board might look at is the
Phasing of the Project. The Board does not have to grant phasing. The sewer connection is to
be provided for the project with Section 1. Water connection from Geyser Road- also want to
see prior to Section 1 completion? Wetland mitigation area, trail construction, karner blue
habitat area, archeological area protection all recommended at tangible point front end, for
example prior to the first building permit of Section 1. Due to the amount of homes to be built
and the state of the economy there may be some complexity and confusion regarding different
developers purchasing different sections with buildout over several years. Recommendation
that a letter of credit be established at time the individual phases move forward. Trails, and the
ability to be accessed through roughed in roads while construction is occurring. The waiver that
is being requested from the Subdivision Regulations Article 5, Section 2B (7) requested "When
dead end streets are permitted, either temporary or permanent, they shall serve no more than
fourteen (14) residential dwelling units nor be longer than 600 feet..." Areas and conditions to
consider all conditions made at the time of preliminary approval still apply. Amending
preliminary approval condition to reflect ACOE permit, DOH approval to be received prior to
signature of final plans. Metes and bounds description to be included with Schedule A of
Conservation Easement be included as sheet within subdivision plans. Trail constructions,
wetland mitigation, archeological protection measures be completed prior to issuance of the first
building permit or other more tangible trigger? Waiver from Subdivision Regulations Article 5,
Section 2B. (7) temporary turn around length. Letter of credit to be established for each section
based on current cost estimate of section. If the Board agrees to Section plan, proportional
recreation fees to be paid at each section. Speed limit signs posted at 30 mph to be included
within plans per Public Safety. Also question regarding the sidewalk which is located along the
project frontage on Geyser Road. This was a part of the applicant's preliminary approval in
terms of on the plan. There is a small portion, basically a gap which this project surrounds.
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Discussion ensued regarding the ability to provide for that connection across the Geyser Road
frontage to make for a logical continuous pedestrian connection.
Chad Cooke, Boswell Engineering stated this is in the County right of way so I do not see why
this could not be connected across this parcel.
DISCLOSURE:
Dan Gaba, stated that he does own rental property at 23 and 44 Quevic Drive.
Philip Klein questioned the roughing in of the road and what that would entail in Phase I.
Chad Cooke, Boswell Engineering stated basically this is connecting Section 1 to Section 2. As
part of the construction of Section 1 would be the installation of sewer lines out to the County
Road. Roughing in would be what they would have to do to install the sewer lines, removing
trees, and fill in of some undulations. It will be accessible by foot only. National Grid will also
be done in phasing. There will also be a barricade installed to indicate the construction area.
Philip Klein also stated a letter was received by Mollie Gagne who is interested in the Karner
Blue site located off of Geyser Road and what you had in mind for the screening or protection of
that site?
Chad Cooke, Boswell Engineering stated there will be a chain link fence installed to keep out
animals and people and also to protect the site. There will be signage, and some screening.
Howard Pinsley, stated he has reviewed this project from start to finish reviewing plans and
notes. He is comfortable weighing in on this application. In going through the open space
management plan for five years the developer will be responsible for the wetlands. However,
there is nothing listed for anything else.
Dan Ruzow, attorney for the applicant stated under the HOA agreement the builder is still
responsible until a sufficient number of lots are sold.
Amy Durland stated I am looking at the conservation easement, under the section of restrictions
still identifies that there should be no construction of roads or trails.
Terresa Bakner, Whiteman Osterman and Hanna. This is set up is by a Reservation of Rights.
They state in the beginning of the document all the things that you not allowed to do and then
they state excepting where they reserve those rights in subsequent paragraphs.
Mark Schachner stated that there is a subsequent paragraph which addresses this issue.
Amy Durland stated nonetheless this is a rather convoluted way to get to the point that you are
going to be building trails, etc
Terresa Bakner stated that the conservation easement was developed by Sol Ewing, Counsel to
the North American Land Trust. They have proceeded this way in all their conservation
easements because they perceive it to be the most protective.
Amy Durland stated given that we are representing the City on this issue, this should be for the
benefit of the City which we are representing.
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Mark Schachner, stated legally the protection that you are worried about Amy is afforded. I
would not draft it in that order. I did not, in fairness to our review, if a goal was accomplished
in a way was effectively protecting the City of Saratoga Springs and it could be done in a
different order we did not make them change the order. As long as the interest was adequately
protected.
Terresa Bakner stated on page 6, paragraph 3 it is stated clearly that the following activities and
uses shall be permitted on the protected property. a). new walking trails, boardwalks,
pedestrian bridges and similar nature viewing areas maybe cleared, installed or constructed and
may thereafter be used maintained and replaced. It is clear that those things are allowed. They
are also shown on the subdivision plat as well.
Amy Durland stated she did see it and still believes it is somewhat of an inconsistency in the
document. Again, in a couple of sections in the document it states new walking trails are
allowed and in another section it says there shall be no construction of roads or trails. To me it
makes no sense. For the sake of clarity and for the sake of future actors within this whole
project, it probably would make sense to strike that provision or amend it in someway
so that it is not creating what seems to be an inconsistency.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman, stated I disagree.
Mark Schachner asked Amy Durland if she would be more comfortable if in those places it said
subject to the provisions of paragraph whatever it is, if that would make you more comfortable
with it there is certainly no problem with doing that from my perspective as Planning Board
Counsel.
Amy Durland stated I am not sure what the appropriate response would be. Whether it would
be simply striking it or clarifying it and concluding a provision that typically refers to other
sections but I am indicating that I believe it is an odd inconsistency in the document. I
absolutely understand that legally speaking it appears to pass muster but I do think it is
confusing and on the face of it odd. Also, could someone answer what protection during
construction of that Karner Blue Habitat site would be.
Terresa Bakner, Whiteman, Osterman and Hanna stated we are doing this first in the first
Phase. It will be fenced immediately. It will be protected. The fencing is part of the OSMP.
The chain link fencing is also what was requested by Kathy O'Brien, and is what the DEC
prefers to see.
Amy Durland stated her only concern is that they are maybe somewhat vulnerable to
construction vehicles and construction activity as it is going in and out for such a long period of
time. Has that been taken into account at all?
Terresa Bakner, Whiteman, Osterman and Hanna stated the chain link fence which will be
installed as well as the signage will indicate that it is a nature area and is to be preserved will
protect that area. Both the HOA under the declaration is bound to make sure that the OSMP is
being followed and the North American Land Trust as well under the conservation easement as
the holder will be monitoring that area. That provides for the long term making sure that the
fence is still in place and that the area is not being misused.
Amy Durland stated her concern is not so much that dogs or people will go through. It is the
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construction dust, it is the kinds of construction impact that this area might be particularly
vulnerable to that a chain link fence will not protect against.
Terresa Bakner, Whiteman, Osterman and Hanna stated in terms of the stormwater pollution
prevention plan itself the plan provides for watering, keeping the soil wet during construction so
you do not have blowing dust. Also within the Karner Blue Butterfly area itself if you walk out
there today it is currently very sandy because it is subject to people's intrusion. People's ATV's,
bicycles, things like that. One of our plans is to using as part of the OSMP is to plant it with the
appropriate species of plants for the Karner Blue Butterflies and that will in essence anchor the
soil and and deal with that trouble as well. Right now it is experiencing a good deal of erosion.
Under our proposal it will be vastly improved.
Amy Durland questioned the status of Lot #85. Lot #85 contains the mitigation wetlands. At
one of the last meetings there was some mention of a portion which I took to mean beyond
mitigation wetland. Lot #85 having additional property within that lot being included within the
conservation easement.
Terresa Bakner, Whiteman, Osterman and Hanna stated the protected property will be covered
by the conservation easement. On Lot #85, Lot #85 is not being made part of the Homeowners
Association declaration and covenant, that is the only difference. The conservation easement
there for Lot #85 is protected property and is subject to the conservation easement. Lot #85 is a
mosaic of uplands and wetlands.
Amy Durland stated there has been no conservation analysis of Lot #85. As much as I am
pleased that there is some portion of it that has been declared to be part of the conservation
easement I am not quite sure where that came from. The Planning Board never engaged in a
conservation analysis of Lot #85.
Terresa Bakner, Whiteman, Osterman and Hanna stated the Army Corp of Engineers and the
DEC both viewed that as very positive mitigation for their processes. So typically the Army Corp
of Engineers on property that is owned by the applicant and when I say upland wetland mosaic,
the wetlands were fully identified on Lot #85. There are some areas of uplands but they are
interspersed. The agencies view those as very valuable because you have animals that go into
the areas between the uplands and the wetlands and so they liked it. That was one of the
reasons why we said well we cover that with the conservation easement. There are
letters of communication between all the agencies and the applicant has supplied these to the
Board.
Mr. Ruzow, Whiteman, Osterman and Hanna and attorney for the appplicant stated that there
was a conservation analysis of the entire project completed. It is a plan sheet with aerial views
and is part of the application. It is part of this record.
Amy Durland stated I have repeatedly talked about and made comments from the beginning
about Lot #85 and that a conservation analysis has to be undertaken. I have made the point
repeatedly that in order to not miss opportunities to create connections with the contiguous state
park property and that we should do it. I have never gotten a response that it has already been
done. In my opinion I myself feel that I have not engaged in a conservation analysis of Lot #85
when we have looked at the property and we analyzed it, we have always looked at the other
portion of the property. I am not aware that we ever looked at Lot #85.
Mark Schachner, Planning Board Attorney stated he believes that Amy is quite correct. The
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decision was made for better or for worse and endorsed by a majority of the Board but not all of
the Board that that would not be required on Lot #85 because that it was not proposed for
development and because there is an applicant commitment to not propose it for development
for a defined period of time. I am quite sure that Amy is correct and she has certainly made this
comment repeatedly that what we all call conservation analysis undertaken by the Board as part
of a conservation subdivision has not been done inclusive of Lot #85.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated because Lot #85 is not part of this application and that
segmentation was resolved.
Jamin Totino stated an email was received this date from Donald and Linnea Peters regarding
the stormwater drainage pond, and it being close to their home. They worry about insects close
to their home, standing water and mopsquitos.
Chad Cooke, Boswell Engineering stated it is a micropool detention pond. There will be 4 feet
of water in the micropool. It is part of what is required by the DEC. There will be enough water
movement in the permanent pool so that it does not breed mosquitos.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated the Board also received this date a letter from Mollie
Gagne, as well.
Any further questions or comments from the Board?
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated in conversations with the City Engineer as this project is
requested to be phased, we recommend establishing an amount for a letter of credit when the
phase is actually requested to begin, rather than have the City Enginner try to figure out a letter
of credit for the entire project. Also a letter of credit in its entirety be requested for the roughed
in of the road, as well as the sewer and the water.
Terresa Bakner, Whiteman, Osterman and Hanna stated that the applicant will attempt to keep
the trails open during construction. The construction area will be fenced off with orange
construction fencing. Only if it is unsafe to allow people to access it for a temporary period of
time would we shut one end of the trail at a time. Signage will be posted.
Any further questions or comments from the Board.
Mark Schachner addressed Amy Durland’s question regarding confusion and inconsistency.
The applicant's counsel correctly and appropriately pointed to a portion of the relevant language
where it says new walking trails, boardwalks, pedestrian bridges, etc. may be cleared and
installed, etc. the legal ease that preceeds it does say except for the Karner Blue Butterfly
management area and notwithstanding any of the covenants or restrictions in this conservation
easement.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman questioned the Board as to what their comfort level is regarding
the proposed wording as proposed by Mark Schachner. The consensus of the Board is that
they are fine with the wording as it stands with no changes.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated that therer have been in excess of 16 to 18 Planning
Board members involved in this process. It started in January of 2004. People have come and
gone. Planners have come and gone. The one constant, Mark Schachner has been here. I
would like to commend the neighbors in Geyser Crest who have held us to a higher standard. A
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lot of the changes that have come about in this application are as a result of their input. I would
also commend the applicant and their agents for sticking with this process which is now
approaching seven years and two months.
Clifford Van Wagner proposed the following motion:
NOTICE OF DECISION
In the matter of the application #05.057.2 for a final subdivision for
Beaver Pond Village
98 Geyser Road
Saratoga Springs, NY 12866
Involving the premises at 98 Geyser Road, in the City of Saratoga Springs, on an application for
final subdivision in an Urban Residential-1, and Rural Residential-1 districts with the Planning
Board who met on February 23, 2011 and made the following decision(s):
WHEREAS, Saratoga East Avenue Associates, LLC (the “Applicant”) seeks final plat approval
for an 85-lot residential subdivision to be known as Beaver Pond Village, including the
construction of approximately 84 homes, with related and ancillary improvements including
roads (collectively, the “Project”); and
WHEREAS, the proposed Project site is located south of Geyser Road and west of Route 50 in
the City of Saratoga Springs, and consists of two parcels, one of which is zoned UR-1 (“Parcel
1”) and the other of which is zoned RR-1 (“Parcel 2”); and
WHEREAS the application has been subject to the following steps over the course of project
review:
On January 21, 2004, April 21, 2004 and October 20, 2004 the Planning Board held sketch
plan discussions on this proposed subdivision.
On December 7, 2005 the Planning Board classified this project as an “unlisted action”
under SEQRA and decided to initiate coordinated review with a request to be lead agency.
On January 11, 2006 the Planning Board voted to establish itself as SEQRA lead agency.
On January 18, 2006 the Planning Board issued a “positive declaration”. The applicant
submitted a draft scoping document on January 25, 2006.
On February 2, 2006 the Board released a draft scoping document to the involved agencies
and the public. The Board held two public scoping sessions on February 14, 2006 and
Thursday, February 16, 2006.
On March 15, 2006 the Board adopted a final scoping document for the DEIS.
On April 4, 2007 the DEIS was accepted for public review.
A public comment period was held from April 4, 2007 to May 3, 2007.
The Planning Board held two public hearings – April 30, 2007 and May 3, 2007.
In January 2008 the applicant submitted a Draft FEIS for review. Additional items and
corrections were identified by the Chazen Companies on behalf of the Planning Board.
On February 27, 2008 the Planning Board requested a status update from the applicant.
On June 4, 2008 the applicant submitted a revised FEIS for review.
On June 30, 2008 the Planning Board held a meeting specifically for the Beaver Pond
Village application to review the FEIS.
On July 17, 2008, the applicant submitted a revised SWPPP.
On August 6, 2008 the applicant submitted additional information including an 84-lot
alternative and corresponding data for insertion into the FEIS.
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On August 12, 2008, the applicant submitted responses to a memo from the Planning Board
consultants.
On September 3, 2008 additional materials were submitted by the applicant in response to
comments from the PB on August 13th and in response to a memo from staff and
consultants.
On September 10, 2008 the Planning Board deemed the FEIS complete by a 6-1 vote.
The FEIS was submitted by the applicant on October 17, 2008 and subsequently distributed
to involved and interested agencies.
The Notice of Completion was issued on October 17, 2008 after receipt of the FEIS.
The Planning Board held a public hearing for the subdivision review on October 29, 2008
and closed public hearing on April 29, 2009.
Also in accordance with SEQRA regulations, the Planning Board issued a Positive Findings
Statement for the proposed project on May 13, 2009 by a 4-2 vote.
On June 10, 2009, The Planning Board made written findings identifying the conservation
values protected and the reasons for protecting such land located within the Rural
Residential-1 parcel by a 4-2 vote.
Preliminary subdivision approval was granted with conditions on June 10, 2009 by a 4-2
vote.
Preliminary subdivision approval extension was granted on June 10, 2010 until June 11,
2011.
November 23, 2010- Planning Board members deemed final subdivision plat provided is
“substantially in agreement” with the preliminary approved plat.
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Planning Board hereby makes the following
findings, determinations and certifications:
A. The conservation easement as modified and with North American Land Trust as grantee is
satisfactory to the Planning Board.
B. The completion of the Open Space Management Plan as modified is satisfactory to the
Planning Board.
C. The NYSDEC permit was received October 8, 2010, fulfilling a requirement of preliminary
subdivision approval.
D. The Planning Board hereby grants approval of the Applicant’s Final Subdivision Plat per the
requirements set forth in the City of Saratoga Springs Subdivision Regulations subject to the
following conditions:
1. Project sectioning plan is approved by the Planning Board with conditions:
a) Water and sewer connection for extent of project are to be made prior to
the completion of Section 1.
b) All Trail construction, Karner Blue protected area, wetland mitigation;
archeological protection measures are completed prior to issuance of the first
building permit.
c) Letter of credit to be established for each section based on current cost estimate
of section. Note on cover sheet of plans added to this effect.
d) Recreation fees to be paid prior to signature of each Section. Note on cover sheet
of plans added to this effect.
2. Metes and bounds description to be included within Schedule A of Conservation
Easement shall be included as a sheet within subdivision plans.
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3. Speed limit signs posted at 30 mph to be included within plans per Public Safety
comment.
4. Approvals and/ or permits from the US Army Corps of Engineer and NYS
Department of Health must be received prior to Planning Board signature of
plans for the first phase.
5. As noted within preliminary subdivision approval, Lot 85 is not part of the present
application proposed for development and would be subject to an independent
application and SEQRA review for any future proposed development. Per
applicant’s commitment, no future application will be brought forward for at least 4
years from final approval by the Planning Board- February 23, 2015.
6. The balance of all remaining consultant fees shall be paid by the applicant.
7. The final complete plat shall be filed unsigned with the City Clerk and Planning
Department within 12 months of final approval by the Planning Board.
E. The Planning Board waives the application of Appendix H of the Subdivision Regulations
(which requires Urban Local Streets to have pavement widths of 28 feet) as per Article VII of
the Subdivision Regulations to the portion of Jane Street measuring ± 860 feet from its
intersection with Quevic Drive. This section of Jane Street shall have pavement width of 24
feet. The intent of this waiver is to reduce storm water runoff and wetlands impacts resulting
from the Project.
F. The minimum tangents and cross-slope requirements are also waived as suggested by the
City Engineer and as per Article VII of the Subdivision Regulations due to the lower speeds
and curvilinear roadways and the Board finds that:
1. Granting of the exception or waiver will not be detrimental to the health, safety or
welfare.
2. The conditions of the request are unique to the property and not generally
applicable to other property.
3. The relief sought will not vary provisions of the Zoning Ordinance or
Comprehensive Plan.
G. The maximum length of a temporary turnaround exceeding 600 feet and serving more than 14
residential dwelling units per Article V- 2. B (7) as related to construction of proposed Sections II, III,
IV and V is also waived as recommended by the City Engineer and as per Article VII of the
Subdivision Regulations.
1. Granting of the exception or waiver will not be detrimental to the health, safety or
welfare.
2. The conditions of the request are unique to the property and not generally
applicable to other property.
3. The relief sought will not vary provisions of the Zoning Ordinance or
Comprehensive Plan.
H. The applicant is required to complete the following for each approved Phase as per the City of
Saratoga Springs Subdivision Regulations:
• Deliver a letter of credit or cash escrow as a performance guarantee to the City for
required on- and off-site improvements as required by the City Subdivision Regulations.
• Submit a fee in lieu of recreation of $1500 for each new lot as per Article V, Section 240-
5.10.
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• Submit two (2) mylar and two (2) paper copies of each phase of the final approved
subdivision plat for signature by the Planning Board Chair.
• File the approved section of the final subdivision plat with the Saratoga County Clerk
within sixty-two (62) days as provided in Article 3, Section 32 of General City Law. The
signature of a duly authorized officer of the planning board shall constitute a final
approved plat.
This approval shall expire if the first phase is not signed by the Planning Board Chair and filed at
the County, within twelve (12) months as set forth in the City of Saratoga Springs Subdivision
Regulations Article II, Section 1-D.
Seconded by Philip Klein.
Amy Durland stated I am not supporting the motion and these are my reasons: The
conservation easement which the NALT which has participated in writing has too many
exceptions to stewardship to the protected land. As holders of the easement, according to that
document they may trigger and/or decide to include as exceptions to the conservation
protections within the easement the following items: construction of utilities, use of pesticides,
new subdivisions.
If approved as the holder of the easement the NALT has indicated that they intend to use some
of the project application representatives as "an arm of the NALT" in the stewardship and
enforcement of the easement. When asked what training would be provided to this local "arm,"
it was indicated that the landscape architectural firm was "professional" and would not need
training. I have concerns that this new role as holders of a conservation easement with little or
no training may result in a relaxed standard of stewardship for the protected lands.
In addition, the local agents of the project developers have been hired to protect the interests of
their clients – the project developers – throughout the years of project review. To now
summarily declare that this same firm will take on the role of being the local "arm" of the land
trust charged with protecting the conserved areas of the project is insensitive to the role of
stewardship that the Holder of easement must assume.
While not dispositive in itself, the fact that the NALT is an unaccredited land trust concerns me.
While many land trusts are unaccredited, the NALT is a nationally-based organization which has
projects in various areas nationally. As such, without having a local base or reputation, one
would think that they would have a heightened concern for adopting a national standard for
excellence and ensuring the public trust, as accreditation is designed to do. Instead, as of the
time they appeared before the Planning Board, they had not even registered or applied to
engage in the accreditation process.
In addition the conservation decisions had been made regarding lot 85 without the requisite
input of the Planning Board regarding the identification of the conservation features of the
property and I might add that based on a comment that we just saw at the beginning of the
meeting today from one of the neighbors of the properties I agree about their traffic study
comment but the passage of time necessitates a new traffic analysis especially given increased
traffic volume in the area and increased development within Grande Industrial Park.
Jamin Totino stated this project for me obviously I have spent a lot of time thinking about this as
well as hearing a lot of information and arguments from neighbors, members and applicants and
appreciate our attorneys guidance all the way through. For my perspective, I was interested in
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serving on the planning board was my interest in conservation subdivisions. When I look at lot
#2 it not only meet the spirit of conservation subdivision but fully meets the regulations outlined
in the City of Saratoga Springs and a lot of those aspects have been carried over to lot 1 that
were not required to be brought over. In most if not all development there will be critics as there
always will be. I think in the end this has developed into a very cohesive project that is going to
serve the City of Saratoga Springs well and provides a great public benefit with the access to
the conservation areas. I will support the motion based on those reasons.
Philip Klein stated everyone has been out to the site. I would like to compliment the neighbors
both pro and con. I think that we received some very good input. Very good hard questions
that we were able to address and answer and the applicant was able to address and their
concerns actually bore fruit. Many items were mitigated and changed in the site plan to bring it
to this point.
VOTE: J. Totino, in favor; A. Durland, opposed; P. Klein, in favor; D. Gaba, in favor;
H. Pinsley, in favor; Clifford Van Wagner, in favor
ABSENT: S. Bernardi-Cleary.
MOTION PASSES: 5-1
Mr. Dan Ruzow, Whiteman, Osterman & Hanna thanked the Board for their patience, persistence,
their counsel and planning staff new and old. Many improvements that have been made are
positive and it makes a better project than we started with. We look forward its completion and the
permits. We are comfortable where we are with this project and the ability to move ahead to bring
new housing to Saratoga Springs that we can all be proud of.
APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES:
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman requested approval of minutes of the February 9, 2011, meeting
with corrections and/or additions submitted.
Dan Gaba offered a time change correction. Noted and will be corrected.
Motion by Jamin Totino. Seconded by Philip Klein.
VOTE: J. Totino, in favor; A. Durland, in favor; P. Klein, in favor; D. Gaba, in favor;
Clifford Van Wagner, in favor
ABSENT: S. Bernardi-Cleary
ABSTAIN: H. Pinsley
MOTION PASSES: 5-0-1
ADJOURNMENT
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There being no further business, Clifford Van Wagner adjourned the meeting at 9:35 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Diane M. Buzanowski
Recording Secretary
Approved: March 23, 2011
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Agenda
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS CLIFFORD VAN WAGNER, Chair
JAMIN TOTINO, Vice Chair
AMY DURLAND
P LANNING B OARD PHILIP W. KLEIN
DAN GABA
City Hall - 474 Broadway SUZANNE BERNARDI-CLEARY
Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 HOWARD PINSLEY
Tel: 518-587-3550 fax: 518-580-9480
www.saratoga-springs.org
Planning Board Meeting – February 23, 2011
City Council Room – 7:00 PM
Agenda
Workshop: Tuesday, February 22 at 5pm in the City Council Room
Salute to Flag
A. Applications under Consideration:
1. 10.058 Siros, 168 Lincoln Avenue, special use permit for outdoor entertainment in the Institutional-
Horse Track Related District. Adjourned to March 9, 2011
2. 10.013 White Farms Road Bed and Breakfast, 66 White Farms Road, public hearing for special use permit for
six room corridor bed and breakfast in a Rural Residential-1 District. Adjourned
3. 08.051.2 Rosebrook Subdivision Modification, Carriage House Lane, sketch plan for amendment to 4
lot subdivision in the Suburban Residential-1 District.
4. 05.057.2 Beaver Pond Village, 98 Geyser Road, final review of 85 lot subdivision in the Rural
Residential-1 and Urban Residential-1 Districts.
B. Approval of Minutes:
Next meeting: March 9 (w/ March 7 caravan & workshop)
Note: This agenda is subject to change. To verify the actual agenda prior to the meeting, please contact the Planning Office at 587-3550 extension 2533 or
the City of Saratoga Springs Website at www.saratoga-springs.org
Revised 2/23/2011 5:02 PM
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