Planning Board
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · November 9, 2011
Minutes
PLANNING BOARD
MINUTES
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 9, 2011
7:00 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
PRESENT: Clifford Van Wagner, Chair; Tom L Lewis, Vice-Chair; Philip Klein; Jamin Totino;
Dan Gaba; Howard Pinsley
LATE ARRIVAL: Amy Durland arrived at 7:40 P.M.
STAFF: Kate Maynard, Principal Planner, City of Saratoga Springs
CALL TO ORDER: Chair Clifford Van Wagner called the meeting to order at 7:04 P.M.
SALUTE TO THE FLAG:
ANNOUNCEMENT OF RECORDING OF PROCEEDING
Clifford Van Wagner stated the proceedings of this meeting are being taped for the benefit of the secretary. Because
the minutes are not a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript of the
recording.
COMMENTS FROM THE CHAIR:
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated there is a meeting upstairs 911 Sculpture Placement Committee Public
Hearing.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman - Welcome to Leadership Saratoga Attendees in Audience.
REPORT ON ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS BY THE CHAIR
07.048.3 THE BULLPEN II, HORSEHOE INN, 9 Gridley Street, renewable special use permmit for outdoor
entertainment in the Tourist Related Business District (TRBD).
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated the proposed action allows for extension of time for required sidewalk
installation. Requested modification of current condition of approval "Improvements per sketch plan including
sidewalk, 2 streetlights along the Nelson Avenue frontage shall be completed by the applicant in conjunction
with the City drainage project in the Fall of 2011. "Proposed condition of "Improvements per sketch plan including
sidewalk, 2 streetlights along the Nelson Avenue frontage shall be completed by the applicant prior to the
commencement of the 2012 racing season.
ACTION:
Approved by the Planning Board Chair.
ANNOUNCEMENT OF ADJOURNED PROJECTS:
ADJOURNED AT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST:
11.034 181 PHILA NEIGHBORHOOD ROOMING HOUSE, 181 Phila Street, public hearing special use permit for
neighborhood rooming house in the Urban Residential-3 District.
10.013 WHITE FARMS ROAD BED AND BREAKFAST, 66 White Farms Road, public hearing for special use permit
for six room corridor bed and breakfast in a Rural Residential-1 District.
10.052 CDJT WORKFORCE HOUSING, Citywide, City Council request for an Advisory Opinion for review of Zoning
Amendment Proposal request for workforce housing.
11.002 BUFF ROAD SUBDIVISION, BUFF ROAD AND ROUTE 9N, public hearing for a final 15 lot subdivisioin in
the Urban Residential-1 and Rural Residential-1 Districts.
11.020 DUPRAS SUBDIVISION, 29 and 47 Staffords Bridge Road, public hearing on a 2 lot subdivision in the Rural
Residential-1 District.
ADJOURNED – WAITING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:
10.028 CELLCO-VERIZON CELL TOWER, 81 Nelson Avenue, SEQRA evaluation of potential environmental impact
for a new 90' monopine telecommunications tower and associated equipment in a Urban Residential-2 District.
10.027 307 GRAND AVENUE MULTI-FAMILY, 307 Grand Avenue, public hearing on special use permit for multi-
family housing in the Transect-4 District.
10.031 307 GRAND AVENUE MULTI-FAMILY, 307 Grand Avenue, review of site plan for multi-family housing in the
Transect-4 District.
COMMENTS FROM THE CHAIR:
ANNOUNCEMENT OF UPCOMING PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS/AGENDA WORKSHOP:
Planning Board Caravan scheduled for Monday, November 21, 2011 at 4:00 P.M.
Planning Board Workshop scheduled for Monday, November 21, 2011 at 5:00 P.M.
Planning Board Meeting scheduled for Tuesday, November 22, 2011 at 7:00 P.M.
PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR
Opportunity to allow citizens to address planning issues not on the scheduled agenda.
None heard.
APPLICATIONS UNDER CONSIDERATION:
1. 10.047.1 ELLSWORTH ICE CREAM BUILDING, 120 Division Street-extension of site plan
approval in the Division Street Planned Unit Development District.
Site plan approval for project expires December 8, 2011. Applicant is proposing an 18 month extension until
June 10, 2013. Reasons for extension noted as : "delays in obtaining financing and condominium approvals
from the Attorney General."
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Significant change noted since approval is Market Center project one block from the site is currently under
construction.
SEQRA:
SEQRA negative declaration issued on December 8, 2010. No further SEQRA action is required with extension.
Applicant: Alec Stephens
Mr. Stephens is requesting an 18 month extension of site plan approval until June 10, 2013 due to financing
issues and approvals from the Attorney General's Office.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman asked if anyone on the Board had any further questions or comments.
None heard.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application.
None heard.
Philip Klein made a motion for an 18 month extension for site plan approval for the Ellsworth Ice Cream Building,
Planned Unit Development District.
Seconded by Jamin Totino.
VOTE:
Dan Gaba, in favor; Philip Klein, in favor; Jamin Totino, in favor; Howard Pinsley, in favor;
Tom L Lewis, Vice Chair, in favor; Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman, in favor
MOTION PASSES: 6-0.
2. 11.038 SEWARD STREET APARTMENTS, Corner of Seward Street and Morgan Street,
site plan for multi-family apartment complex in the Urban Residential-4 District.
The project last seen by the Planning Board for site plan review on October 12, 2011. Prior site plan approval for
site for Arcadia Apartments – 58 luxury senior apartment complex on November 12, 2008. UR-4 requires site plan
review for multi-family residences.
Applicant: Gordon Residential Development – Jeff Gordon, Jerrett George
Agent: Norman Ward – LA Group; Mark Nadolny, Creighton Manning, Derek Gribulis, Cotler Architecture
Mr. Ward gave a visual presentation of the updated site plan. This application was before the Design Review
Commission which offered a favorable advisory opinion and noted that the proposed project was consistent with the
neighborhood. Several change to the plan have been made per recommendations from the Design Review
Commission. Changes noted regarding the basic layout in the Type 2 Building which is a 3 story building initially
located along Seward and Morgan street frontage. This building is now located within the interior of site, and one
building "end" facing along Morgan Street. The original height of the building was 44' 11", the new building height is
36' 10" to rooftop, 33' 3" mean roof height. The Type I building which is now located along Seward and Morgan
original height was 33' 11", the proposed is 29' to rooftop, 24' mean roof height. The garages now offer
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diversification, with an attempt made to break up the rear of the buildings. Some materials have been upgraded
including culture stone in lieu of brick veneer. The project now reflects 57 units from a previous 58. Anticipate an
internal connection for "Phase IV" parcel to the west. There is a potential connection which is now illustrated on the
plans to conceivably be constructed in the future. Desire to construct access to property line now as added
insurance that connection will take place in the future. Current site access could allow for consolidated access
points. Concerning stormwater and utilities, the water connection to 8" within Seward Street was recommended by
the Planning Board, DPW as well as the Fire Department. Recommendation of the Fire Department is a preference
of a loop water system with a proposed connection from Seward Street for the genral benefits of looping and fire
protection at the corner of Seward and Morgan. The applicant will provide for connection as per the
recommendations of the City staff. The location of access on Seward Street has been moved to the northern
property boundary approximately 18 feet to the north. Regrading of the berm to accomodate this change.
Supplemental traffic evaluation conducted on October 26, 2011. Video provided. Proposed widening of Morgan
Street to 28' to accommodate two way travel and alternate parking. Street lights along Seward and Morgan.
Discussion ensued regarding traffic, ingress and egress from the project.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman asked if there was any further questions or comments from the Board.
Jamin Totino asked to see the site plan again and stated that the direction the project has taken is headed in the right
direction. He still has some concerns regarding the arrangement of the buildings in the interior area. Part of the
concern which is still present is the lack of open space and the view of what the interior area will be is essentially
alleys. Because of that there really is no community space for children or for people to gather. It is too crowded.
Jeff Gordon, Gordon Development stated that he had the same concerns and he wished to create more outside
areas for the development. A suggestion was a fountain, gazebos, picnic areas and this is something we want to
address. We wish to make the center area as aesthetically pleasing as we can.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated there will not be a vote tonight. There is quite a bit of new information which
was submitted this evening. The Board would like to make another site visit. We will also take another look at the
storm retention area and how much space will be available.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman asked if there were any further questions or comments from the Board.
Amy Durland questioned if the only on street parking are the perpendicular areas on either side of the pond.
Mr. Ward stated that is correct.
Amy Durland questioned the total number of extra spaces.
Mr. Ward stated 38 extra spaces. Mr. Ward also stated that Morgan Street will already have been widened and it will
allow ten additional parallel spaces along the south side.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience who wished to comment on the Seward Street
Apartment application.
Ina Harney, stated the street is very narrow, the day the traffic survey was done there was two accidents on that
street. There is alternate side parking on the street at present.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated again no vote will be taken this evening. The applicant will be given a list of
items to return to the Board with.
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Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman asked if there were any further questions or comments from the Board.
Philip Klein, asked if the proposed vehicular pedestrian connection to the west lot will be paved, gravel, grass or
what.
Mr. Ward stated that is yet to be determined, but my preference would gravel or grass, something which is
permeable, especially if the lot to the west does not develop than we do not have pavement just sitting there.
Philip Klein stated if it was paved you could utilize it for extra parking.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman presented a list of what the Board would like when the applicant returns such as:
Scale representation of the houses on the east side of Seward Street showing them at the same time as the Type I
building on Seward Street; how the existing houses match up with what the applicant is proposing to build, including
the corner of Morgan and Seward, 10 feet to the retaining wall and 10 feet up to the footing of the Type I building.
Enlarge the view of the internal pond, a larger scale which includes the Type II buildings, one on the east and one on
the west so we have a better representation of really how big the space is, showing sidewalks. Jamin has requested
a view looking up and down north and south on those two alleys which run north and south. What do these people
see when they look out their windows and what do these people see when they pull in. Also, an enlargement of the
step areas showing the actual number of steps and what it will look like along with the placement of the lighting. The
pedestrian connection to Birch Run will need to be revisited. Also consideration for secondary emergency access.
We will revisit this application in two weeks.
The Board recessed at 8:32 P.M.
The Board reconvened at 8:45 P.M.
3. 11.011 MARTELL BROTHERS' BREWING COMPANY, 381 Broadway, site plan for restaurant
and brew pub in the Transect-6 District.
Applicant: Chris Martell
Agent: Mike Brooks, Tommell and Associates; Jessie Boucher, with Kodiak Construction;
Jason Tommell, Tommell and Associates
SEQRA:
Action appears to be Type I – unlisted action that is "occurring wholly or partially within or substantially contiguous to
any historic building, structure, facility, site or district.... that is listed on the National Register of Historic Places..."
DRC appears to be other involved agency, NYS SHPO interested agency.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated the DRC deferred Lead Agency Status at its October 19, 2011 meeting.
SHPO was sent all relevant items for review, 30 day window for comment will expire November 11, 2011.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated a brew pub is a permitted use upon site plan review within the T-6 "An eating
and drinking establishment where certain beverages are prepared on the premise for exclusively for on-site
consumption. The brewing of such beverages is accessory to the eating and drinking establishments. The project
last appeared for sketch review at the Planning Board's October 26, 2011 meeting. Discussion related to brewing
operation and potential impacts such as: noise from outdoor activities; rear access for loading/unloading, garbage
provision; stormwater management concept for site. The applicant has been most cooperative responding to the
concerns of the neighbors. At that time it was two buildings and from the reading that we found at the workshop on
Monday, the applicant has respondended very thoroughly to concerns from both the DRC and the Saratoga Historic
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Preservation Foundation and has changed his application to a single building and has relocated some of the services
within. We note that the Zoning Board has granted several variances which were required. The applicant has
agreed to time frames set forth for outdoor entertainment. Some issues we requested Mr. Martell to return to the
Board with are storm water issues which needed to be resolved. Final SWPPP. Trash receptacles would be placed
outdoors in the AM for pickup and they would be cleaned daily. We now have a building which DRC has interjected
some input. Items outstanding at the last meeting were SHPO had signed off on this application but OPRHP became
involved and they deferred lead agency to the Planning Board reserved comment regarding archaeological resources
until provided with additional information related to the prior use of the site, and the expected depth of excavation for
the restaurant building. Mr. Martell provided supplemental information to the OPRHP as requested on November 4,
2011. OPRHP correspondence received November 8, 2011 indicated no impact on historic resources with and
understanding that excavation of the site will be monitored by a qualified archeologist with the authority to
halt the work should any possible archeological resources be encountered.
Mr. Martell stated they have contracted with an archeological firm and a signed copy of the contract is available for
the Boards review. We have come a long way since our last appearance before the Board. At the last meeting Phil
Klein questioned if National Grid has a recorded easement on the Panza lot. They do not have a recorded easement
according to counsel for National Grid.
Kate Maynard, Principal Planner stated City Engineer Tim Wales is comfortable with the stormwater management
and regading the SWPPP, I have just received that information and will pass it onto Tim Wales in the morning.
Mike Brooks, Tommell and Associates stated the reason the SWPPP was given to Kate this afternoon is we were out
there yesterday doing perk tests and test pits across the site. I was able to complete the perk tests and complete the
SWPPP.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated what we saw at the site on the north side of the parcel, rectangles are actually
recessed planters that are part of the stormwater detention basins. The applicant two weeks ago fairly well
articulated the change in design with respect to the neighbors request as well as the DRC. It is one building as far
back as it can go to the west and any potential issues with noise, ventilation, odors from brewing, baffles on the air
handling units as we saw and everything is as far away from the Adelphi as possible.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman asked if there were any further comments from the Board.
Howard Pinsley asked if the applicant was able to obtain rear access for the project.
Mr. Martell stated for the construction we will have a construction license but the property owner is not in a position to
do anything permanent with the property.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on the Martell Brothers
Brewing Company application.
David Harper, attorney for Sheila Parkert, owner of the Adelphi Hotel. My client still has concerns regarding
noise, music and odors. But she appreciates the changes that have been made in the application. She was hoping
there would be more final engineering available at this stage. I spoke with Chris and understand that it is a design
built project. As the project progresses they will have more of those design features. He has indicated a willingness
to speak directly to Shiela Parkert.
No further comments from the audience.
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SEQRA:
PART I
The Board reviewed Part I of the SEQRA Short Environmental Assessment Form and determined there is no
significant adverse impact on the environment.
Tom Lewis made a motion for a SEQRA negative declaration.
Seconded by Howard Pinsley.
VOTE:
Dan Gaba, in favor; Amy Durland, in favor; Philip Klein, in favor; Jamin Totino, in favor;
Howard Pinsley, in favor; Tom Lewis, Vice Chair, in favor; Clifford Van Wagner, in favor;
MOTION PASSES 7-0.
PART II
Howard Pinsley stated based upon the information provided by the applicant in Part II of the SEQR Full
Environmental Assessment Form, the project will not result in any large and important impacts and, therefore, is one
that will not have a significant adverse impact on the environment. Based on this, I move to make a SEQR negative
declaration for this action.
Seconded by Dan Gaba.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman asked if there were any further questions or comments from the Board.
None heard.
VOTE:
Dan Gaba, in favor; Amy Durland, in favor; Philip Klein, in favor; Jamin Totino, in favor;
Howard Pinsley, in favor; Tom Lewis, Vice Chair, in favor; Clifford Van Wagner, in favor;
MOTION PASSES 7-0.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated the last item for this application tonight is a motion for a site plan. We have
heard a lot of information regarding this project over time. The applicant has changed this several times to
accomodate the request of neighbors. DRC has had some input in the design of this project.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on the Martell Brothers
Brewing application.
None heard.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman asked if there were any other comments from the Board.
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None heard.
Dan Gaba made a motion to approve the Martell Brothers Brewing on Broadway with the following conditions:
Stormwater Management and SWPPP be completed to the satisfacation of the City Engineer; Archeologist on site;
Voluntarily offered to have the hours of outdoor entertainment operation until 10:00 P.M., weekdays and 11:00 P.M.,
on weekends.
Seconded by Jamin Totino.
Clifford Van Wagner asked if there was any further discussion.
None heard.
VOTE:
Dan Gaba, in favor; Amy Durland, in favor; Philip Klein, in favor; Jamin Totino, in favor;
Howard Pinsley, in favor; Tom Lewis, Vice Chair, in favor; Clifford Van Wagner, in favor;
MOTION PASSES 7-0.
Clifford Van Wagner, Chairman stated the Lot Line Adjustment will be handled admininstratively.
APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES
Tom Lewis made a motion to approve the minutes of the September 14, 2011 meeting with corrections/changes
as submitted.
Seconded by Howard Pinsley.
VOTE:
Tom Lewis, Vice Chair in favor; Amy Durland, in favor; Philip Klein, in favor; Dan Gaba, in favor;
Howard Pinsley, in favor; Clifford Van Wagner, in favor
MOTION PASSES: 6-0.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, Clifford Van Wagner adjourned the meeting at 9:25 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Diane M. Buzanowski
Recording Secretary
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Agenda
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS CLIFFORD VAN WAGNER, Chair
TOM L. LEWIS, vice chair
AMY DURLAND
P LANNING B OARD PHILIP W. KLEIN
DAN GABA
City Hall - 474 Broadway HOWARD PINSLEY
Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 JAMIN TOTINO
Tel: 518-587-3550 fax: 518-580-9480
www.saratoga-springs.org
Planning Board Meeting – November 9, 2011
City Council Room – 7:00 PM
Agenda
Workshop: Tuesday, November 7 at 5pm in the City Council Room
Salute to Flag
A. Applications under Consideration:
1. 10.047.1 Ellsworth Ice Cream Building, 120 Division Street- extension of site plan approval in the Division
Street Planned Unit Development District.
2. 11.012.1 Seward Street Apartments, Corner of Seward Street & Morgan Street, site plan for multi-family
apartment complex in the Urban Residential-4 District.
3. 11.010.1 Martell Brothers Brewing Company, 381 Broadway, site plan review of new restaurant and pub
in the Transect-6 District.
B. Approval of Minutes: September 14, October 26.
Next meeting: November 22 (w/ November 21 caravan & workshop)
Note: This agenda is subject to change. To verify the actual agenda prior to the meeting, please contact the Planning Office at 587-3550 extension 2533 or the
City of Saratoga Springs Website at www.saratoga-springs.org
Revised 11/9/2011 4:36 PM
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