Recreation Commission
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · October 30, 2018
Minutes
City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
Recreation Commission Meeting
Tuesday, October 30, 2018
6:30pm
Minutes
Saratoga Springs Recreation Center
Attendance – Robert Manasier, Amy Smith, Michelle Merola, & Cheryl Smith
Derrick Legall, Alphonse Lambert, John Hirliman, Vincent DeLeonardis, City Attorney, Anthony Izzo, City
Attorney, Deputy Commissioner of Finance, Michael Sharp, Liz Bryson, Scott Bryson.
The Saratoga Springs Recreation Commission meeting was called to order by Amy Smith at 6:35pm.
Public Comment – There was no public comment.
Presentation: Charter Commission – Vincent DeLeonardis and Michael Sharp presented to the Recreation
Commission. Chairman Vincent DeLeonardis outlined the proposal. He explained how the charter updates will
affect the Recreation Department and the Recreation Commission. Vincent DeLeonardis gave the background of
the Charter Commission. They reviewed the current charter. There are only two commission forms of government
in New York State. It has been 17 years since the Charter has been updated. The Commission worked within the
current government. The City Charter is the foundational governing document for the City of Saratoga Springs,
which provides the legal framework for the City’s form of government and the responsibilities of each elected
official. Also included in the charter are other required roles and certain practices and procedures. The Charter
operates in conjunction with local laws, ordinances, and other policies approved by the City Council. Certain
revisions to the Charter need to be approved by City residents through a ballot referendum, and the last successful
Charter vote was in 2001. There have been several unsuccessful Charter votes since then, all of which attempted to
change the City’s form of government. Following the failed 2017 attempt, the 2018 Charter Review Commission
(“CRC”) was formed on March 6, 2018 by Mayor Meg Kelly with the goal of “finding efficiencies and
organizational improvements to better serve the people who live and work in the City of Saratoga Springs,” all while
keeping the commission form of government. The CRC’s Proposed Charter was unanimously supported by
members and will be voted on by City residents via referendum on the November 6, 2018 ballot. CRC members
include Vincent DeLeonardis, Chair, Mike Sharp, Vice Chair, John Daley, Secretary, Anthony Skip Scirocco, John
Franck, Peter Martin, Lisa Shields, Joe O’Neill and Maire Masterson. The amendments in the proposed charter can
largely be broken down into the following categories: increasing professionalism across City Hall, realigning certain
functions, removing unilateral appointments, increasing flexibility of City operations, improving consistency and
readability of the Charter and increasing opportunities for individuals to participate in City Government.
There will be two referendum questions on voter ballots this November. (1) Shall the Saratoga Springs City Charter
be amended as proposed by the 2018 Charter Review Commission? (2) Shall the Saratoga Springs City Charter be
further amended to provide two (2) additional City Council members whose authority shall be legislative only?
Ballot question (1) refers to the 2018 Proposed Charter with enhanced efficiencies and organizational improvements
and maintains the five-member City Council. Ballot Question (2) refers to the 2018 Proposed City Charter but also
increases the City Council to seven members.
If Question (1) is approved and not questions (2) All amendments other than the expansion will go into place 1/1/19
with an estimated cost of $0. If both question (1) and (2) are approved, All amendments go into place 1/1/19. City
Council expands to seven after the 2019 election, with terms commencing 1/1/20. The Estimated total annual cost
starting in 2020 of $31,218 or $81,846, assuming new members are paid the same salary and if health care benefits
are offered (the family plan costs were used.) Additional CRC information is available at www.saratoga-
springs.org/charter.
2018-10-30 Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes Page 1 of 4
City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
Among the proposed amendments to our City Charter, is the proposal to formally combine Parks with Recreation
and to move them from Title 3 (Mayor) to Title 5 (Department of Public Works). This recommendation is intended
to increase efficiency and improve operations for recreation facilities and programs and recognizes the relationship
which currently exists between the Recreation Department and DPW. The proposal was based upon input from the
public. The Recreation Department currently operates with an annual budget of $2.3 Million, the majority of which
is already under DPW lines. DPW is currently responsible for the maintenance, repair and upkeep of all parks, and
recreation facilities. Under the proposed Charter, the Commissioner of Public Works shall, in coordination with the
Recreation Commission, develop policies and procedures for recreation programs and activities, which shall be
subject to approval by Council. The proposed updates and amendments to the City Charter relating to Parks and
Recreation are cost neutral. Section 5.4 of the Proposed Charter provides Park and Recreation.
The CRC used some suggestions from the last commission and Matt Jones subcommittee draft. There are decades
of experience on the CRC. The commission had 20 meetings, 2 public meeting, questionnaire, and two workshops.
There has been extensive public comment. There were 250 responses to the survey. The City Attorney’s office,
Human Resources and IT will report to the entire council. Risk and Safety will be moved to Legal. Recreation
Department will be moving to the Department of Public Works. The functions were put into the charter instead of
titles. This will increase flexibility. State law requires that there will be two questions on the ballot. The first
question is voting for/against the charter amendments. The second question is for the expansion of the City Council
by adding two at large members. If the first question fails then both will fail. The Commission was charged with
reviewing the current charter and making amendments. The charter amendments are cost neutral. The
recommendation is to have a Parks and Recreation Department moving to the Department of Public Works. The
Open Space and Land Preservation will remain separate as they can be in conflict. Open Space and land
preservation does not include active recreation. The Recreation Department already works with the Department of
Public Works. The amendment should enhance the relationship. The charter verbiage was revised. A Parks and
Recreation Policy and Procedures Manual is being recommended. The Recreation Commission will remain. If
approved, the Commissioner of Public Works would appoint members of the Commission in the future. Amy Smith
asked that with the mandate by the City Charter, what happens if it is not done? The City Council can take action.
HR will be its own department. IT will not be under a specific commissioner having access to all. Risk and Safety
would be coming from Accounts to Legal. If approved at next week’s vote, the amendments will go into effect
January 2019. The two City Council Members will be elected in 2019 for January 2020. Amy Smith asked about
Recreation standing alone. The Commission did not want duplication of services. DPW by charter maintains
facilities. The Commission had questions regarding the manual. Recreation will be working on the programming.
The Mayor and DPW Commissioner currently have a good working relationship. Currently the public calls the
Mayor for Public works items. This will have streamline process with one point of contact. Robert Manasier had a
question on how the changes would affect the budget process. Deputy Commisssioner Sharp explained the budget
process. There are already line items for Recreation and DPW (3000). The goal is to improve the process. This
will unite forces. The Capital Committee is changing. The Capital Committee members will be reduced to five.
There will be 5 City Council members who will remain as the administrative and legislative members. The
Commission is recommending having two additional council members who have only legislative power. All votes
will be equal. The Charter Commission meetings, minutes, survey information and FAQs are on the City’s website.
There is a full redlined version of the charter as well as the revised charter.
Amy Smith asked if there was much feedback. Vincent DeLeonardis said there was much feedback. There was a
concern that moving Recreation to DPW weakens the Mayor’s position. Currently, the City Council members each
have the same power whether they have 6 staff or 30 times that. Amy Smith asked what DPW’s feedback is. John
Hirliman said DPW was in favor of this and streamlining the process. Michelle Merola asked how long the manual
will take to complete. Amy Smith said that there will be improvement. Robert Manasier said thing will improve.
The budget lines will not change. The budget process remains the same. There will be collaboration. 5.4.1 will not
be changing as DPW already has oversight of facilities. 5.4.8-There will be a change from Mayor oversight to
DPW. Michelle Merola stated that the Recreation Department will help draft the manual. Amy Smith said that
hopefully by having a manual, things are moving forward. Derrick Legal said It’s a Win-Win. It forces us to work
directly with the Department of Public Works. There is a commitment.
2018-10-30 Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes Page 2 of 4
City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
The motion to send out a letter regarding the Commission’s view on the Charter Proposal was made by
Alphonse Lambert and seconded by Robert Manasier. The motion was approved by voice vote. Discussion:
The City Attorney will review and revise the memo prior to the information going out.
The Recreation Commission reviewed the Recreation Commission minutes.
Discussion and vote: Police Department Request
The Saratoga Springs Police Department is requesting for the possibility of the ice time being donated for the Police
vs Fire Department Charity game. This year, they have partnered up with the Franklin Community Center and
Project Lift to collect toys for the less fortunate kids in Saratoga Springs. The game will be on Sunday December
11, 2018. The value of the donations will be 1.5 hours x $165.00, totaling $247.50. If approved, the request will go
to the City Council. The motion to recommend that the Ice Time for the Police vs Fire Department Charity
game be waived was made by Michelle Merola and seconded by Robert Manasier. The motion was approved
by voice vote.
Discussion and vote: Skate Park Pyramid – The Recreation Department is requesting to repair the Skate Park
Pyramid in the amount of $5,000.00 to the American Ramp Company. The ramp needs to be fixed. The motion to
repair the Skate Park Pyramid was made by Robert Manasier and seconded by Michelle Merola. The motion
was approved by voice vote. Discussion: Amy Smith reminded the Commission that the City has spent money on
the Skate Park. When Charlie Samuels had come to the Recreation Commission and to the City, he was told that
there was no money. Amy Smith said that Charlie Samuels said he would come up with the money for the Skate
Park. He has not.
Discussion and vote: Accept $180.00 Field Hockey donation from Friends of Recreation and $1,800.00 for
installation of the North Side Playground Shade Structure. The motion to accept the Friends of Recreation
donations was made by Amy Smith and seconded by Michelle Merola. The motion was approved by voice
vote. The donation will go to the City Council for approval.
Discussion and vote: East Side Recreation Playground tot swing replacement at $620.00. The East Side Recreation
Playground tot swing needs to be replaced. The cost is $620.00. The motion to replace the East Side Playground
Tot swing was made by Amy Smith and seconded by Cheryl Smith. The motion was approved by voice vote.
Discussion and vote: Active Network/Maximum Solutions Max Galaxy Credit Card fees – The Recreation
Department is working with MaxGalaxy to incorporate online registration. As part of the online registration there
are company fees. MaxGalaxy works with WorldPay for their credit card transactions. The cost ranges from 1.71%-
3.15% plus $.20 per transaction. The company also charges $14.95/month. The City of Saratoga Springs currently
uses other companies who work with their financial packages. There are currently are no fees/costs to the City from
these other companies. Any fees/charges are paid by the consumer. The public will be able to use Debit Cards as
well. The agreement distributed to the Recreation Commission will be forwarded to the City Attorney and Risk and
Safety. The City would like the Consumer to pay for the fees associated with online payments. The public will still
be able to pay cash and/or check at the Recreation Department. The motion to allow online line payments was
made by Michelle Merola and seconded by Amy Smith. The motion was approved by voice vote. The
agreement will go to Risk and Safety, the City Attorney and the City Council for approval.
Discussion and vote: Playground Initiative Geyser Crest and Rec. Center Concept. The Recreation Commission
will be reviewing the concept of Geyser Crest and Recreation Center playground designs. The Administrative
Director-Recreation brought sample concepts to the Commission. The first concept was valued at $45,818.02 for
the Geyser Crest Courts and the Recreation Center Concept for ages 2-5 was valued at $98,138.78. Cheryl Smith
asked if this is the best use funds. Alphonse Lambert felt it was a tight area. The Commission asked about the
Veterans Memorial Park as they felt it was a priority. The Administrative Director-Recreation explained that there
was not enough money right now to complete the Veterans Memorial Park project. The Commission wanted to see
if the prices could be cheaper (talk them down). The motion to move forward was made by Alphonse Lambert
and seconded by Amy Smith.
2018-10-30 Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes Page 3 of 4
City of Saratoga Springs Derrick LeGall
Recreation Commission Chair
RECREATION COMMISSION Alphonse Lambert
15 Vanderbilt Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Amy Smith
Robert Manasier
518-587-3550 x2300 Fax 518-584-1748 Cheryl Smith
John Dowd
www.SaratogaRec.com Michelle Merola
Discussion and vote: Program and Field Supplies – up to $9,500.00 included $4,100.00 for field supplies (bases,
etc.), $3,000.00 for Ice Rinks supplies (skates, pucks, sharpener), and $2,400.00 in soccer goals. The motion to
purchase up to $9,500.00 for Field supplies, Ice Rink Supplies and Soccer goals was made by Cheryl Smith
and seconded by Robert Manasier. The motion was approved by voice vote.
Discussion and vote: Waive Public Skating fees for the 25th Anniversary on December 16 1-5pm. The motion to
waive the public skating fees was made by Amy Smith and seconded by Robert Manasier. The motion was
approved by voice vote.
Discussion: Master Plan Update – The Recreation Master Plan time line was discussed. The Commission is
expecting a final draft by November 12, 2018, with updates back to Green Play by November 28, 2018. The
Commission will review the finalized version at the December 11, 2018 Recreation Commission meeting prior to
the City Council Presentation on December 18, 2018.
Discussion: Saratoga Springs Great Outdoors Project – The Recreation Commission discussed the Great Outdoors
Project.
Discussion: Camp Saradac – The Recreation Commission discussed the School District’s proposal regarding busing
for next year’s camp. There is a shortage of bus drivers. The School District will be keeping their drivers on the
School Payroll. At the meeting with the School District, it was discussed about reducing the number of buses
needed and working with Greenfield to make the runs more enticing.
Discussion: Basketball Program – The Tiny B’ball, Intro, grades 2/3, grades 6-8, and grades 9-12 are coed. There is
a boys grades 4-5 and girls grades 4-6. The number of players are less than last year.
Discussion: General Budget – The Recreation Commission discussed the MUNIS financial reports.
Discussion: Director’s Report-The City Council, land use boards, and other various public meetings will be at the
Recreation Center by the end of the year. The Grande family is working with the sign company to finalize the
recognition plaque and stone. Soccer registrations are down 11%. The field hockey program continues to grow.
Volleyball time change was tough for some. T’ball had to be cancelled once due to weather. The Introduction to
Ice Tuesday 10am-11am was cancelled. There are 30 kids in early fall session. The Youth Boxing clinic starts
November 12. The feedback has been outstanding. The Friends of Recreation met on October 22 and approved the
following: $180.00 for the field hockey program, $275.00 for youth basketball team sponsor, install the shape
structure at North Side Playground, and purchase and install two adaptive swings (1 East Side and 1 West Side) -
$6,000.00-$8,000.00.
Discussion: Program Report – The Recreation Commission reviewed the Program Report.
Adjournment – The motion to adjourn was made by Amy Smith and seconded by Michelle Meorla. The
motion was approved by voice vote. The Next meeting will be Tuesday, November 27, 2018 6:30pm at the
Saratoga Springs Recreation Center.
Respectfully submitted,
Kathleen Lanfear
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