Zoning Board of Appeals
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · March 18, 2024
Minutes
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
MINUTES (DRAFT)
MONDAY, MARCH 18, 2024
6:30 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
CALL TO ORDER: Brendan Dailey, called the meeting to order at 6:30 P.M.
PRESENT: Brendan Dailey, Shafer Gaston, Otis Maxwell, Chris LaPointe, Jonah Cohen,
Brad Gallagher
ABSENT: Gage Simpson
STAFF: Aneisha Samuels, Senior Planner, City of Saratoga Springs, Jackie White, Counsel
ANNOUNCEMENT OF RECORDING OF PROCEEDING:
The proceedings of this meeting are being recorded for the benefit of the secretary. Because the
minutes are not verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word
transcript of the recording.
ZBA APPLICATIONS UNDER CONSIDERATION:
PROCEDURAL BUSINESS:
NEW BUSINESS:
1. #20240111 41 Covell Single Family Construction. Area variance to permit the construction
of a single-family home with an attached garage in the Urban Residential-2 (UR-2) District.
Variances sought for 41 Covell:
TYPE OF REQUIREMENT ZONE REQUIREMENT PROPOSED RELIEF REQUESTED
MIN. LOT SIZE 6,600 SQ. FT. 4,248 SQ. FT. 2,352 SF (35.6%)
SETBACK-FRONT 10 FT. 1 FT. 9 FT. (90.0%)
SETBACK-FRONT RT. 50 10 FT. 1 FT. 9 FT. (90.0%)
Darren Tracy, West Branch Engineering said he was representing himself and his wife Lisa
Tracy. Darren said the property is a small triangular parcel fronted by Covell St. on one side
and Route 50 on the other side. He said they have confirmed with the city that it is a buildable
lot, but because it’s so small they are seeking variances for area and setbacks. Darren said there
are no neighbors on the right/east side, and a neighbor on the left side. Darren said the bottom
of the drawing is the Route 50 arterial (no display on monitor) and there are houses across the
street on Covell Ave.
Jonah Cohen said the plan looks relatively straight forward and he understands they have
constraints because of the size and shape of the property. Jonah said it’s his understanding that
the placement of the house is such to avoid removal of three large trees. Darren said that’s
correct. There’s a 30” white pine, 30” yellow poplar and a 24” spruce tree. Darren said the
white pine was struck by lightning last year so he isn’t sure it will survive. Shafer Gaston
asked how the setback compares to the other properties near there. Are there comparable
properties? Darren said there is no neighbor on the right and the neighbor on the left has about
a 5 ft. setback from the property line. Shafer said he would like to know how this compares to
other setbacks along the streets. Shafer said it’s not fatal to the application, but he would like
that information for his consideration. Darren said he owns a property to the west on that side
of the street and they are more or less in line with the house on the left side of the drawing. The
setbacks of those houses are approximately 5 ft. Shafer asked if they had considered anything
with a slightly larger setback that stretched further east to get similar square footage. Darren
said they had not because they are looking to preserve the trees. He said the floor plan is
20x32=640 sq. ft. (2-story=1,280). Brendan Dailey said he very much appreciates them
preserving the trees. He agreed with Shafer that the applicant should provide some comparable
properties from the street/neighborhood that might have similar setbacks.
Brendan Dailey opened the public comment at 6:41 p.m. There were no comments, and the
public comment will remain open.
2. #20240064 59 Fifth addition. Area variance to permit the expansion of the existing single-
family home in the Urban Residential-1 (UR-1) District.
Variances sought for 59 Fifth:
TYPE OF REQUIREMENT ZONE REQUIREMENT PROPOSED RELIEF REQUESTED
INTERIOR SIDE 12 FT. 5 FT. 7 FT. (58.3%)
MIN. TOTAL SIDE 30 FT. 25 FT. UNDETERMINED
(16.7%)
Michael Tuck, Balzer/Tuck Architecture representing the Otto’s. They are proposing an
addition to support a ground floor master suite to help with eventual aging in place. They are
proposing to take the existing garage setback on the easterly side of the property and maintain
the setback as you move rearward on the property. Michael said the house and property line are
not perfectly parallel with each other, so it gets tighter as you move back. He said the existing
setback is 6.1’ and they’ll be coming down to 5.9’ at the rear of the property. Michael showed a
diagram of the existing house and garage (I cannot see a display on the video). The garage
will be removed, and a new one constructed further forward. Michael said they looked at
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putting a master bedroom on the west side of the home, which is currently compliant with the
setback, but an addition on that side would make it out of compliance on both sides of the
home. He said the addition to the east side made more sense and would be less disruptive to the
neighborhood. There’s a deck that will be reconstructed. There are 3 bedrooms on the second
floor, and they are adding a bathroom and a fourth bedroom over the new garage. Michael
showed the plan elevations. Michael said they don’t believe this is any detriment to the
neighborhood. He said there are examples along 5th Ave. that have tighter or similar setbacks.
There will be no change in use and they’re not increasing the intensity of use or creating any
impacts to the neighborhood. Shafer asked what the new square footage of the home will be.
Michael said he doesn’t have it but will get it to the board. Shafer said he likes to consider the
size of the home if it is significantly larger than surrounding homes in terms of square footage
when the applicant is seeking a variance. Michael said he will provide the habitable square
footage for this home and three others in the neighborhood that they have worked on that are
larger. Shafer asked if there was an attempt to purchase property on either side of their property
to reduce the side setback variance. Michael said there were conversations with the neighbor to
the east who submitted a letter of support for this project but was not interested in selling any
property. The neighbor to the west has a pool almost up to the property line. Shafer asked if
because they will have to do modification to the exterior wall, it would be feasible to angle
straight with the house, so they get the desired use of the property without increasing the current
side setback. Michael said with the intersection of the roof forms if they were to make a 3-
degree tilt in the wall it would make it complicated to frame. Practically speaking it wouldn’t
work because of the angle of the wall. He said the wall they could, the roof they can’t, and the
side yard setback is measured to the roof. Jonah clarified that the house is currently in the
setback, and this will be a small shift from 6.1 ft. to 5.9 ft. and it will not be further into the
setback. Chris asked Aneisha if any setback was based off the egress window well. Aneisha
said that the measurement would be based off the building wall and the egress well = 2
variances. Michael said egress wells are permitted within the interior side yard (up to 4 ft.) per
the UDO. Chris asked if they had considered putting the master bedroom where the deck is
now. Michael said they talked about it, but it would block off the view of the backyard where
there are 3 young children playing. He said it would also block venting and lighting to the
kitchen, living room and dining room area. Brendan said they would see the applicant back on
April 8th.
Brendan Dailey opened Public Comment at 6:53 p.m. There were no comments, and the
public comment period will remain open.
CONTINUED BUSINESS:
3. #20240043 15 Warren Additions. Area variance to permit the renovation of a single-family
residence in the Urban Residential-3 (UR-3) District.
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Variances sought for 15 Warren St.:
TYPE OF REQUIREMENT ZONE REQUIREMENT PROPOSED RELIEF REQUESTED
REAR 25 FT. 9 FT. 16 FT. (54%)
Tonya Yasenchak, Engineering America & Y Engineering. Tonya said she is representing
her clients, the Dansie’s who are proposing to build a two-car garage with living space above it.
It will be attached to the existing house by a breezeway. Tonya said as discussed at the last
meeting they are requesting one variance – the rear setback to the garage. Because the garage
will be attached to the main structure, the rear setback then goes to the garage. Tonya said the
board asked for additional information at the last meeting:
Can the garage be made smaller and feasibly meet the needs of the homeowner. The
homeowner has a very large truck, 6’8” by 20’ in length, leaving 3 ft. in front of the truck
to work on it and 2 ft. if the door is closed to walk behind it. They don’t want to lose any
space within the garage and want to locate the garage as proposed so that they don’t
impact their neighbor to the south. The house to the south is very close to the Dansie’s
property line and if they move the garage forward, they will be right in view of the
neighbor.
Garages attached or otherwise that are similar – Tonya showed examples and photos
of similar structures from Google GIS map viewer (I cannot see a display on the video).
The board agreed that the applicant showed a very thorough set of comps and it’s very much
appreciated.
Brendan Dailey asked if there were any public comments. Hearing none, the public hearing
was closed at 7:04 p.m.
Chris LaPointe made a motion to approve the variance at 15 Warren St. The motion was
seconded by Shafer Gaston. Discussion: should be “UDO”, in number 1. It’s not a second
dwelling unit and will be referred to as an addition, also in number 1. The applicant
demonstrated that they considered an alternate design and the board notes that there is no
additional land for purchase. Vote: B. Gallagher-Y, B. Dailey-Y, S. Gaston-Y, J. Cohen-Y, O.
Maxwell-Y, C. LaPointe-Y. 6-0, motion carried.
4. #20231018, 180 Fifth Ave. Area Variance to permit a two-car garage addition to the single-
family residence within the Urban Residential -1 (UR-1) District.
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Variance sought for 180 Fifth Ave.:
TYPE OF REQUIREMENT ZONE REQUIREMENT PROPOSED RELIEF REQUESTED
SETBACK-REAR 30 FT. 3.5 FT. 26.5 FT. (88.3%)
SETBACK-REAR 30 FT. 10 FT. 20 FT. (66.7%)
Bob Flansberg, Dreamscapes Unlimited represented the applicants Bob and Heidi West. Bob
presented a site plan design showing the height, length and elevation of the fence (I cannot see
a display on the video). Bob said the fence is about 27’ from the corner of the property and is
as long as the house. They have proposed going from 6’ to 9’ and scalloping upward instead of
the previously mentioned 10’. Brendan said they are permitted 8’ in the UDO (Aneisha
because they are abutting a non-residential district). Brendan said he would like to see the 8’
fence with some tree plantings if their client is amenable to that instead of the 9’ fence. Bob
said they would consider that because they weren’t aware they were permitted to have an 8’
fence but he said there’s no room for landscaping in that area because there’s a pool there with
an existing patio. Bob noted that the fire department was supposed to plant evergreens along
the west side of the property and the lighting was supposed to be below the roof of the
firehouse, neither of those have happened. Brad asked if an 8’ fence is sufficient for Bob’s
clients. Bob said if 8’ is the permissible standard they will go with that. Shafer clarified that
for this project it would be the 5’ to the property line and 1ft. of relief for a portion of fence (not
needed now). Shafer said the applicant has shown comps with the 5’in the setback and he has
no additional questions.
Brendan said they do not have a prepared resolution but will have something for the next
meeting. Bob will re-submit the plan showing the 8’ fence. The public comment will remain
open.
5. #20220202, 31-33 Marion Ave. Area Variance to permit the demolition of the existing
garage, mobile station, and car wash and to construct convenience store, gasoline canopy, car
wash and rental space within the Tourist Related Business (TRB) District.
Variances sought for 31-33 Marion Ave.:
TYPE OF REQUIREMENT ZONE REQUIREMENT PROPOSED RELIEF REQUESTED
MIN. FRONT YARD 40 FT. 8 FT. 32 FT. (80%)
SETBACK
SETBACK-FRONT -CANOPY 40 FT. 25 FT. 15 FT. (37.5%)
SETBACK-REAR-CANOPY 10 FT. 0 FT. 10 FT. (100%)
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Libby Clark, Attorney represented Stewart’s Shops. Ryan Rebidu, Stewart’s Shops was also
present. Libby said her notes from the last meeting indicated that the board wanted to revisit
the 2021 City Council environmental record and findings for the project which will be the bulk
of her presentation. (I cannot see a display on the video). What has changed from 2021 to
now to make this a less intense project:
The largest portion of the request is the front yard setback because it conflicted with the
design guidelines which were to bring the building closer to the road rather than to the
rear. Most of the request was to create a sidewalk and for walkability in that corridor.
The bottom of the screen is where the proposed car wash was - on the right-hand side as
you head toward Greenfield, up Marion Ave. It was much closer to Loughberry Lake
than is proposed now. It’s closer to Marion Ave., much narrower, removed bays, smaller
size (originally proposed as 2-bay, now is 1-bay), is substantially closer to the road and
slightly closer to the northern border.
The gas canopy is being moved a little more north from where it has historically been
since the 70’s and is about 5’ closer to Marion than to Loughberry Lake.
Stewart’s shop has remained the same size, the retail space is now attached and there are
no single-family residences (there were 4).
The rental square footage has been reduced by 1,820 sq. ft. The car wash has been
reduced by more than half and the residential by 10,000 sq. ft. and completely removed.
The asphalt coverage of the proposal was reduced by almost 50%.
Libby said the original SEQRA review was a fully coordinated review with the Planning board,
DRB and the DOT. Libby listed what was new since their last appearance before the ZBA:
The separation between Loughberry Lake, fuel dispensers, fuel tanks and the car wash.
Discusses the facilities’ level of service.
Stormwater management
Sanitary
Energy efficiency
Trip generation letter from Creighton Manning/no significant impact tht could not be
mitigated.
SHPO no impact letter
Regarding the critical environmental area – letter from engineer indicating that the
proposal is an improvement from existing conditions as the current petroleum were
installed prior to regulations. Anything done now to move them will upgrade the DEC
and petroleum bulk storage regulations that have come out since the original installation.
Because the City is an MS4 participant it will require the City’s approval for the entire
stormwater. It will require the city’s review and approval to ensure that any runoff does
not impact the watershed. Those regs have been modernized and updated from the
original proposal.
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The Licensed geologist who reviewed the petroleum bulk storage program for Stewart’s –
the Loughberry Lake critical environmental area postdates the petroleum activities on
site. The CEA was created after the petroleum was already on the site.
Libby said because the ZBA was not involved in the 2021 proposal, no variances were
requested, it’s very important that that the board review this now.
Aneisha went over the changes to the relief being requested:
1. Fourth area of relief -Fueling stations within 250 ft. of a residential district (article
6.3.3b of Zoning Ordinance). Libby referred to the Gage Simpson letter 12/22
confirming that the determination they received from Patrick was that these are
grandfathered because they pre-date the 250 ft.
2. Fifth area of relief - Rear yard setback to the car wash, 50 ft. requirement and proposing
around 25 feet because they are abutting a residential district. Libby clarified that
National Grid operating as a utility, preexisting zoning is now in a residential zone and
the zone line did not move commensurate with their 100 ft. Aneisha said that was
correct.
There was a discussion regarding coordinated review with the planning board. Libby said the
planning board does have a determination as it relates to this project from the 2021 coordinated
review process on a more intense project. Libby said there would have to be material impacts
that exceed the thresholds found in 2021.
Brendan Dailey made a motion to defer lead agency and coordinate SEQRA with the Planning
Board. The motion was seconded by Jonah Cohen. Discussion: Jackie was inaudible, not
speaking into mic. Vote: B. Gallagher-Y, B. Dailey-Y, S. Gaston-Y, J. Cohen-Y, O. Maxwell-
Y, C. LaPointe-Y. 6-0, motion carried.
Brendan Dailey said he appreciates the presentation. Asked about the size of the Stewart’s
building. Libby said it will stay the same size as what was presented in the PUD. He clarified
that there will be less asphalt, no residences, car wash will be further from the lake and the
rental property has decreased in size. Ryan was inaudible – not speaking into the mic.
Chris LaPointe said he appreciates the presentation and background on the project. Shafer
said he appreciates the environmental considerations. He said since the PUD is no longer
active, he won’t consider anything that was approved before. He said he does appreciate the
comparison between the existing and proposed project. He clarified that the applicant is stating
that their proposal in every aspect of environmental and impact consideration makes an
improvement. Libby said yes. Shafer asked with regards to the current site dimensions versus
the proposal, are there any dimensions that may get a larger variance than if the current site
were proposed today. Libby said yes, the buildout of the frontage is wider to satisfy the city’s
design guidelines. It’s an improvement but a bigger variance. Ryan said he had a calculation
on the site plan for the net area relief for compliance and the existing site would require 64’ of
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relief and the proposed site would require 57’. He said the 50 ft. rear setback was not in his
calculation. They would still need relief for the rear setback either way. Shafer asked if they
were keeping the same fueling stations that exist today. Ryan said they are being replaced. It
will be a newly constructed fueling station in the same location. Otis said there are so many
changes in regulations that didn’t exist before and he’s glad that the ZBA is coordinating with
other agencies. He said he appreciates the work the applicant has done to make an
environmental improvement on the property as opposed to what’s there now. Jonah said he
really appreciates the applicant putting together the comparison presentation. Between that and
the charts that were provided, his questions have been answered.
The applicant will return after the meeting with the Planning Board.
Brendan Dailey opened the floor to public comments at 7:49 p.m.
Deb Lacone, 11 Marion Ave., said per the zoning ordinance the extension or expansion of a
non-conforming use is prohibited. You can repair or replace within the same boundaries, but
they are clearly making an expansion into a newly built building for the sale of the gasoline, and
believes the canopy is also expanded. She thanked the board for doing a new SEQRA. Deb
said they will ask the planning board to negate the special use permit for the car wash that was
originally granted in 1976 because they will require a new special use permit because they’re
tearing it down and moving it. She said they will ask that the business not operate after 9 p.m.
and that they should consider the carwash special use permit again with the SEQRA. Deb said
she would like the ZBA to take a hard look when these variances come back before them.
Renee Taliana, Ave. A said she was happy that the 250 ft. was brought up, it was important to
her. She said she would like to see an official determination on that matter. Renee referenced a
letter sent from Patrick Cogan on January 28, 2022; the letter Libby referenced when she was
before the ZBA the last time. Renee said that Libby pulled out points to support a variance but
left out some very important points. She said in the middle of the letter Patrick says “without
such clarifying statements, I have to take the position that the area and bulk requirements of the
TRB zoning district would control over recommended design guideline of the gateway overlay.
Other requirements of the gateway design districts are identified as mandatory, the 50%
buildout is not… Right or wrong, the front setback requirement is currently 40 ft. Let me know
if there are other questions.” Renee said she’s not against an improvement to the area. She said
she bought her home not long ago and loves her neighborhood. She’s part of the 40-year-old
HOA and she’s here tonight because so many of her neighbors can’t be who started the
association. She said they continue to try to protect their tiny neighborhood. She said all they
really want to see is the sizing appropriate for the neighborhoods that are around them and that
it be within the size recommended in the comp plan. She said this is about an area variance.
Do you need to get closer to the road to create this building? A very nice Stewart’s shop could
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be built 40 ft. from the road. Renee said she’s asking the board to keep the neighborhood in
mind.
Brendan Dailey said the public hearing will remain open.
Brendan Dailey made a motion to adjourn at 7:57 p.m. The motion was seconded by Shafer
Gaston.
Respectfully submitted,
Donna Gizzi, Recording Secretary
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Primary
City of Saratoga Springs Gage Simpson (Chair)
ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS Brad Gallagher (Vice Chair)
Brendan Dailey
City Hall • 474 Broadway
Shafer Gaston
Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Jonah Cohen
Otis Maxwell
518.587.3550
Chris LaPointe
www.saratoga-springs.org Alternate (Vacant)
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ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AGENDA
Monday, March 18, 2024, at 6:30 p.m.
Procedural Business
Agenda
Project # Project Project Location Project Description Ordinance Type
Order
New Business
Agenda
Project # Project Project Location Project Description
Order
41 Covell Single Family Area variance to permit the construction od a single family home with
1
20240111 Construction 41 Covell an attached garage in the Urban Residential-2 (UR-2) District
Area variance to permit the expansion of the existing single-family
2 59 Fifth Addition
20240064 59 Fifth Ave. home in the Urban Residential-1 (UR-1) District.
Continued Business
Agenda
Project # Project Project Location Project Description
Order
Area variance to permit the renovation of a single family residence
3 15 Warren Additions
20240043 15 Warren St inthe urban residential-3 (UR-3) District.
Area variance to permit a two-car garage addition to the single-family
4 180 Fifth Area Variance
20231018 180 Fifth Ave residence within the Urban Residential 1 (UR-1) District
Area variance to permit the demolition of the existing garage, mobile
31-33 Marion Area station and car wash and to construct convenience store, gasoline
5
Variance canopy, car wash and rental space within the Tourist Related
20220202 31-33 Marion Business (TRB) District.
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