Historic Resource Commission
Regular MeetingSchenectady, NY · June 6, 2016
Minutes
Approved 6/20/16
Schenectady Historic District Commission
Meeting Minutes
June 6, 2016
I. CALL TO ORDER
Commissioner Britt called the meeting to order at 7:02 PM.
Commissioner Britt noted that there were only four Commissioners present at the
meeting and applications require four votes for approval. In light of this, she asked the
applicants if any of them would like to have their application tabled until the next
meeting, assuming that more Commissioners would then be present. All of the
applicants communicated that they would be willing to proceed.
Prior to the beginning of the meeting Counsel Bailey disseminated to the
Commissioners a letter from Corporation Counsel Carl Falotico. The letter was in
response to the letter dated May 1st that was sent to him by the Commission. The letter
to Mr. Falotico discussed inconsistencies in the City Code regarding the consideration
of historic properties.
II. ROLL CALL
PRESENT: Carrie Britt-Narcavage, Chair; Ben Wiles, Vice Chair; Jackie Craven;
Patricia Yager
EXCUSED: David F. Lowry
ABSENT: Dr. Dean Bennett; Mark Meigher
STAFF: Rima Shamieh, Assistant Planner; Ryan Bailey, Assistant Corporation
Counsel; Jennifer Mills, Secretary
III. CONFLICT OF INTEREST
None.
IV. ADOPTION OF MEETING MINUTES
Commissioner Wiles noted that the portion of the May Minutes describing the
discussion regarding decision-making procedures contained an error. He suggested that
the Minutes be amended as described below.
Motion by Commissioner Craven, seconded by Commissioner Yager, to adopt the May
16, 2016 Meeting Minutes with the following correction:
• Other Business, item B, third paragraph – “Accept the application as written”
will be struck and replaced with “Determine if the application is complete and
sufficient for consideration for a decision.”
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Motion carried unanimously.
V. NEW BUSINESS – Applications
A. Consideration for approval submitted by Michael J. Barron and John R. Allen
to install seasonal awnings, valance, and sun shades. The premise is located at
1174 Lowell Road.
Michael J. Barron and John R. Allen appeared before the Commission. Mr. Allen
explained their application, stating that they would like to install two roll-up shades
and a valance on the first floor porch and two window awnings on the second floor
windows on the front façade. He explained that the awnings would be seasonal,
and would be put up around Memorial Day and removed at the end of September.
Mr. Allen stated that he and Mr. Barron believe that there were originally awnings
and porch shades on the house, because the old hardware is still attached to the
building. He also noted that before he and Mr. Barron bought the house, when they
had one of their initial viewings of the property they saw an old rolled-up awning in
the attic and asked that it be kept for them. He explained that unfortunately it was
inadvertently discarded.
Mr. Barron stated that Taylor Awnings in Gloversville would be fabricating and
installing the awnings. He explained that they make and install awnings for
historic properties all across the United States. Mr. Allen stated that they would
like to install the shades on the porch for shade and privacy, and that the awning is
needed on one of the second floor windows because the sun is very hot in that
room. He explained that the sun is not as hot in the other room, but that they would
like to install the awning to provide symmetry to the front of the house. He noted
that an awning will not be installed on the smaller middle window, which is the
bathroom.
Mr. Barron explained that the new hardware will be only slightly larger than what
is shown in the picture in the application, and will be painted to match the wood
trim. He also presented a sample of the Sunbrella canvas which they would like to
use for the shades and awnings, as well as a sample of the trim. He explained that
the canvas is fade and mildew resistant and comes with a ten-year warranty.
Commissioner Britt asked if the valance would be cut out above the porch steps, as
shown in the sample photo. Mr. Barron stated that it would. Commissioner Yager
asked how the valance will be attached. Mr. Barron explained that it will be
attached on hooks on the inside of the porch trim, and the hardware will not be
visible from the street.
Commissioner Britt noted that the application is very thorough and gives the
Commissioners all of the information that they need to consider the proposal well.
Commissioner Craven noted that the applicants have obviously done research into
both the history of the house and the history of the use of awnings on the structure,
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which she understands were very common during the time period when this home
was built, and for a significant time period thereafter. Commissioners Britt and
Yager agreed.
Commissioner Wiles stated that the awnings, shades, and valance are not temporary
structures. He explained that he believes that they are permanent structures which
will have an intermittent use. He also noted that unlike Commissioner Craven he is
not certain that awnings were historically used heavily throughout the Plot. He
explained that he examined many houses in the plot looking for awnings and found
virtually none. He asked if the Commissioners or the applicants could give any
other examples of awnings currently in use in the Plot. Mr. Barron noted that there
is a large retractable awning over the patio of the Butterfly House on Lowell Road.
Commissioner Craven noted that she remembers that there is another house on
Lowell Road that also currently has awnings.
Commissioner Britt stated that she understands that awnings were used historically
in the Plot. Commissioner Wiles asked what evidence she had to support this
conclusion. Commissioner Britt replied that she has seen them in historic pictures
of the neighborhood. She explained that there is no question whether or not they
were once used, but that the question is if they are used now, or should be allowed
to be used now. Commissioner Wiles stated that he did not review any historic
photographs before the meeting, but that he believes that allowing the awnings to
be used today would mean introducing a new material to the structure. He asked the
applicants if they recalled what the original awning fabric they had seen in the attic
looked like. Mr. Barron stated that they did not, as they only saw the awning
briefly and it was rolled up. Commissioner Wiles stated that while he believes the
proposed canvas to be a very attractive choice, there is no evidence to prove that it
will replicate what would have been originally used.
Commissioner Craven stated that in the early 1900s awnings were not used for
decorative purposes, but rather as a means to keep rooms cooler in the warmer
months. She noted that as modern cooling techniques - electric fans and eventually
air conditioners – became more widely used the use of awnings dropped off. Mr.
Allen noted that there is evidence that there were certainly awnings on the house.
Mr. Barron pointed out the photographs showing the original hardware, which were
submitted with the application. Commissioner Wiles asked the applicants if they
intended the application to have three separate parts, encompassing the valances,
the porch shades, and the second floor window awnings. Mr. Allen stated that he
feels that the three areas should be considered as a whole, as they all work together
as part of the proposed design. Mr. Barron stated that there is evidence that all
three were used on the house in the past. Commissioner Britt noted that from the
1870s through the 1930's and 40's awnings were very prevalent. Commissioner
Craven stated that there is sufficient evidence that awnings were used on this
structure, indicated by the existing hardware and awning found in the attic.
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Commissioner Wiles asked the applicants if the second floor awnings will be
placed so that the keystones remain visible. Mr. Allen stated that they will be.
Commissioner Wiles asked what the finished hem on the window awning will look
like. Mr. Barron responded that they will be the “High Wave” style E as shown in
the application. He explained that he was partial to the “Western” style B, but that
the awning designers explained that “High Wave” is what would be historically
appropriate for this house.
Assistant Planner Shamieh asked when the house was built. Mr. Allen stated that it
was built in 1903, and had been in the same family until the applicants purchased it
last fall. Commissioner Wiles noted that when the house was built in 1903 it was a
style contemporary for that time period, and thus it is important that the awnings
also be contemporary to that time period as opposed to being of an earlier period.
Mr. Allen noted that the house if of the Arts and Crafts style and that he believes
that the proposed awning and shades are consistent with that style. Commissioner
Craven shared some internet photos of awnings from that time period.
Commissioner Wiles stated that if the proposal is approved he would prefer that it
should cover only this set of awnings and shades, and that if they need to be
repaired or replaced in the future the homeowners would be required to return to
the Commission for further approval. The Commissioners concurred.
Motion by Commissioner Wiles, seconded by Commissioner Britt, to approve as
submitted the application to install the valance, porch shades, and awnings on the
structure as summarized below:
1. The applicants will install two awnings on the second-story front windows,
a valance on the porch, and shades on the north and south ends of the porch.
The awnings, shades, and valance will be constructed of the striped
Sunbrella fabric submitted at the meeting, with a solid color burgundy trim,
also as submitted. The edging on the awnings will be the “High Wave”
style, as shown in the application.
2. The discussion of the Commissioners and applicant emphasized the historic
use of awnings, both in the GE Realty Plot and on other houses of this style
and time period, for the purposes of cooling the interior of the house during
the warmer months.
3. The applicants will put the shades and awnings up sometime around
Memorial Day and will remove them by September 30th each year.
4. The Commissioners reviewed internet photos of similar awnings shown on
houses of this style and time period.
5. The applicants have agreed that the awnings will be attached to the wood
portion of the window frame, with the keystones remaining visible. The
porch shades and valance will be attached with hooks on the inward-facing
side of the fascia and the hardware will not be visible from the outside.
And with the following conditions:
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1. Once commenced, the project will be completed within one year.
2. This approval is for this set of valance, shades, and awnings only. If in the
future the valance, shades, or awning need to be repaired or replaced the
applicants will return to the Historic District Commission for further
consideration.
3. The new hardware, as presented at the meeting, will be installed and painted
to blend with the wood surrounding it.
Motion carried unanimously.
Findings:
1. This is a Type II SEQRA.
2. There is evidence that the home previously had awnings on the windows.
The evidence includes hardware remaining on the wood trim and an old
awning witnessed in the attic of the home.
3. In keeping with the guidelines of the Secretary of the Interior, when a
feature is absent it may be restored based on pictorial or physical
documentation.
4. With advances in other cooling methods, the use of awnings became less
prevalent throughout the twentieth century.
5. There is evidence that this house and other homes in the GE Realty Plot
also originally had seasonal awnings, used in an effort to cool the interior
rooms in the warmer months.
B. Consideration for approval submitted by Michael and Terese Howard to
remove two trees. The premise is located at 1135 Avon Road.
Michael and Terese Howard appeared before the Commission. Prior to the
beginning of the discussion Commissioner Yager noted that in her research she had
discovered that in 2014 a GE Realty Plot Tree Committee had been formed, and
she wondered if the Committee would have any comment on this application.
Commissioner Wiles noted that he is a founding member of the group, and that
their scope is limited to street trees planted in the utility strip between the sidewalk
and the street.
Mr. Howard explained that they would like to remove two trees from the property.
He stated that the tree in the front yard is an ash tree that is diseased, and the other
tree is a locust tree that is growing very close to the garage. He explained that he
believes that it just grew up from a sapling and was not intentionally planted.
Commissioner Wiles asked if the ash tree was diseased due to the ash borer. Mr.
Howard responded that he was not sure, and that his tree consultant had only said
that it was diseased. He stated that a very large limb, approximately 12 inches in
diameter and eight feet long, had fallen from the tree from a height of about thirty
to forty feet, and that he fears that there may be more falling limbs which could
potentially harm bystanders. Commissioner Yager asked if the applicants plan to
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replace the ash tree. Mr. Howard stated that they do not, since in very close
proximity is a small flowering tree that will now get more light and have more
space to grow, and there are nine other trees in the front portion of the yard.
Commissioner Yager commented that perhaps if the tree is infested with the ash
borer there might be specific procedures for disposal that should be followed.
Commissioner Wiles commented that he could not speak to that question, but that
he had observed another ash tree nearby that appeared healthy. Commissioner
Wiles asked the applicants if there are any other ash trees on the property. Mrs.
Howard replied that there are not. She explained that the other trees are maples and
oak, and various small flowering trees.
Commissioner Wiles asked if the locust tree by the garage shows any evidence of
disease. Mr. Harding replied that it does not, but that he feels that the close
proximity to the garage makes it a danger to the building and foundation.
Commissioner Wiles asked the applicants if they would be willing to document the
species of the tree, the circumference at chest height, and the number of rings in the
trunk. The applicants stated that they would. Commissioner Wiles requested that
they submit the information to the Tree Committee, Assistant Planner Shamieh (for
the record), and Mary Warner. Commissioner Wiles stated that he would forward
the contact information to the applicants. Commissioner Wiles noted that the
Realty Plot has many trees and that he believes that they will adequately fill in this
yard. He added that often locusts are nuisance trees and are removed as saplings.
Motion by Commissioner Britt, seconded by Commissioner Yager, to approve as
submitted the application to remove the two trees as summarized below:
1. The diseased ash tree in the front yard and the locust tree close to the garage
will be removed and the age and size recorded as discussed.
2. Whether or not the trees should be replaced was discussed, and it was
concluded that there are plenty of other trees in the yard which will most
likely grow better once these trees are removed.
And with the following conditions:
1. Once commenced, the project will be completed within one year.
2. The applicant has agreed to measure the circumference of the trees at chest
height, and count the number of rings once the tree is cut. They will
provide this information to city staff for the property file, to the GE Realty
Plot Tree Committee, and to Mary Warner.
Motion carried unanimously.
Findings:
1. This is a Type II SEQRA.
2. The ash tree is diseased and is most likely a danger tree. The removal of
this tree will eliminate a potentially hazardous situation, and will also allow
the other trees in the yard more room to grow and flourish.
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3. The locust tree is a danger to the structural integrity of the garage. It is
most likely that the tree was not intentionally planted but rather grew from a
wild sapling that was never removed.
C. Consideration for approval submitted by Edwin Rueda to replace the roof on
the front portion of the building. The premise is located at 1091 Wendell
Avenue.
Colin Fausel, contractor for the project, appeared before the Commission. He
explained that the applicant wishes to replace the front portion of the roof to match
the rear portion, which was replaced fairly recently. Commissioner Craven asked if
the front porch roof would also be replaced. Mr. Fausel responded that it would
not. He explained that they would like to replace the metal edge of the roof with
shingles. Commissioner Yager asked if the metal edge remains on the rear portion
of the roof. Mr. Fausel replied that it does not. He also noted that they would be
willing to keep the metal flashing around the dormer if the Commissioners felt that
it is appropriate. Commissioner Britt stated that she would prefer for the metal
flashing to remain. Commissioner Craven asked what color the flashing would be.
Mr. Fausel responded that if possible they would use the existing metal, but if it
had to be replaced it would most likely be aluminum. Commissioner Yager
commented that to her understanding the use of flashing on roof valleys has fallen
out of favor, as woven shingles has been determined to be better for the roof.
Commissioner Britt noted that the metal flashing was used historically, with copper
flashing used on higher-end homes, but that the woven shingles might be better for
the roof. Mr. Fausel stated that woven shingles are easier to install, and that they
are very water-tight, as the ice and water shield is used underneath. He explained
that they could remove the metal, apply the ice and water shield under it, and then
restore the metal, and this would allow for virtually the same amount of water
protection as the woven shingles.
The Commissioners reviewed the City Assessor's records containing a historic
photo, which clearly shows metal flashing. Mr. Fausel noted that new flashing
would be quite shiny in finish, but that it could be painted for a more muted look.
Commissioner Craven noted that she would be more comfortable if the flashing is
painted to more resemble the original look of the roof. Mr. Fausel noted that if the
existing metal is in satisfactory condition they will reuse it. The Commissioners
agreed that this would be preferable. Commissioner Britt asked the Commissioners
if they were inclined to allow the replacement of the metal skirting with shingles
(to the edge of the roof). The Commissioners agreed that this would be allowed.
Commissioner Craven noted that the edge of the roof is barely visible from the
street. Commissioner Yager asked how the metal flashing would be attached to the
roof around the dormer. She explained that in her research she found information
that attaching the flashing with glue or epoxy does not have the best results. Mr.
Fausel stated that they will nail it on, and the ice and water shield membrane will
close around the nails and create a seal for a water-tight finish.
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Motion by Commissioner Britt, seconded by Commissioner Craven, to approve as
submitted the application to re-roof the house as summarized below:
1. The front portion of the roof will be replaced with shingles that match the
rear of the roof in color and style.
2. The metal flashing in the dormer valleys will remain. The existing metal
will be reused if possible or a new material of a similar style and color will
be installed.
3. The current metal edge/skirt of the roof is rusted and in poor condition and
will be replaced with shingles. Most of this area is not visible from the
right-of-way and is thus not under the jurisdiction of the Historic District
Commission.
And with the following condition:
1. Once commenced, the project will be completed within one year.
2. The metal flashing around the dormer will be reused or replaced with a
metal material similar in color and finish.
Motion carried unanimously.
Findings:
1. This is a Type II SEQRA.
VI. OTHER BUSINESS
A. Determine how to proceed in developing recommendations for zoning code
revisions.
The Commissioners briefly reviewed the letter disseminated at the beginning of the
meeting by Counsel Bailey. Commissioner Britt suggested that the Commissioners
review the letter and be prepared to discuss it at the next meeting. The
Commissioners concurred. Assistant Planner Shamieh noted that she is still
gathering information as to what the administration’s opinion is regarding the
recommendations, and as to how exactly the revision process would proceed.
VII. MISCELLANEOUS
The Commissioners and Assistant Planner Shamieh briefly discussed the email
distributed to the Commissioners from David Giacolone regarding the tree committee
in the Stockade. They agreed to be prepared to further discuss the email at the next
meeting.
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
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Motion by Commissioner Yager, seconded by Commissioner Craven, to adjourn the
meeting.
Motion carried unanimously.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:37 pm.
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Agenda
Sch en ect ady Hi st or i c Di st r i ct Com m i ssi on
To: Historic District Commission
From: Rima Shamieh, Assistant Planner
Subject: Regular Meeting, Monday, June 6, 2016 at 7:00 PM - City Hall - Room 209
I. Call to Order
II. Roll Call
III. Conflicts of Interest
IV. Applications
New Applications
A. Consideration for approval submitted by Michael J. Barron and John R. Allen to install
seasonal awnings, valence, and sun shades. The premise is located at 1174 Lowell
Rd.
B. Consideration for approval submitted by Michael and Terese Howard to remove two
trees. The premise is located at 1135 Avon Rd.
C. Consideration for approval submitted by Edwin Rueda to replace the roof on the front
portion of the building. The premise is located at 1091 Wendell Ave.
V. Business
A. Determine how to proceed in developing recommendations for zoning code revisions.
VI. Adjourn
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