Historic Resource Commission
Regular MeetingSchenectady, NY · August 27, 2020
Minutes
Schenectady Historic District Commission
Meeting Minutes
August 27, 2020
I. CALL TO ORDER
Commissioner Yager called the meeting to order at 7:01 p.m.
Due to the closure of City Hall because of the Covid-19 Virus, the meeting was
conducted online via WebEx.
II. ROLL CALL
PRESENT: Patricia Yager, Chair; Ben Wiles, Vice Chair; Shaun Andriano; Dr. Dean
Bennett; Frank Gilmore; Christopher Marney; Matt Smith, Senior Planner; Jennifer
Mills, Secretary
III. CONFLICT OF INTEREST
Commissioner Wiles recused himself from the application concerning his home, 1302
Stratford Road.
IV. ADOPTION OF MEETING MINUTES
Motion by Commissioner Wiles, seconded by Commissioner Marney, to approve the
July 23, 2020 Meeting Minutes as submitted.
Motion carried unanimously.
V. APPLICATIONS
A. Consideration for approval submitted by Ashraf Ghaly to replace a portion of
the roof. The premises are located at 1001 Union Street in the Union Street
Historic District.
Ashraf Ghaly presented the application.
Mr. Ghaly explained that since he appeared before the Commission at the July
2020 meeting he had submitted a statement from his roofer and photographic
evidence in support of his claim that the slate roof is beyond repair. He agreed that
the slates that are in the best condition will be saved for the turret and sides of the
dormers.
The Commissioners discussed whether the slate roof should be replaced with three-
tab shingles to match the rest of the roof or if the whole roof should be replaced
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with a composite shingle that closely matches the look of the slates. They agreed
that architectural shingles would not be an acceptable option. Mr. Ghaly stated that
from an economic and environmental standpoint he would prefer to replace only
the slate at this time, as the other asphalt shingles have seven to ten years of use
left, according to his roofing contractor. He explained that when it is time to
replace the entire roof, he would not be averse to using the composite material as
opposed to replacing the roof in kind.
After some discussion as to the purview of the Commission regarding applications
concerning this roof that may be made in the future it was decided that the
Commission would allow the slate replacement with asphalt at this time but would
state in their decision that because of the important contribution the roof makes to
the overall historic character of the building in this case the Commission believes
that in the future a composite slate product should be used and an in kind
replacement strongly discouraged.
The Commissioners discussed the color of the three-tab shingles and whether they
should match the existing asphalt shingles or the slate that is being removed. It was
decided that they should match the existing shingles in color and style as closely as
possible.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
None.
RESOLUTION
Motion by Commissioner Bennett, seconded by Commissioner Andriano, to
approve as submitted the application to replace a portion of the roof, with the
following conditions:
1. The project will be completed within one year.
2. The slates that are removed will be replaced with three-tab shingles that
match the existing three-tab shingles on the roof as closely as possible in
color and style. The architectural shingles proposed in the application are
not approved in this decision.
3. The turret roof and sides of the dormers will remain slate. The applicant
will have any damaged slates on these areas replaced with the slates
removed from the rest of the roof that are in the best repair.
4. When the time comes that any portion of the three-tab shingled roof must be
replaced, the Commission recommends that an in-kind replacement is not
the first choice but that faux slate composite shingles more closely
resembling the original slate roof, as evidenced on the turret and dormer
sides, are used.
5. The ridge flashing and decorative metalwork will be restored and will
remain, and the rest of the flashing will be replaced in kind, to match the
ridge flashing.
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And with the following findings of fact:
1. This is a Type II SEQRA.
2. The slate roof has been determined, by photographic evidence and by
inspection by an experienced roofing contractor (whose statement was
provided as an addendum to the application) to be at the end of its lifespan,
with significant portions being beyond repair.
3. This structure is unique because a portion of the slate roof had already been
replaced with three-tab shingles several years prior, without Historic
District Commission approval, and the roof is a prominent and visible
architectural feature of the building.
4. The roof was replaced without approval prior to Mr. Ghaly’s purchase of
the property. He purchased the property as is and has been attempting to
maintain and prolong the life of the slates for several years.
Motion carried unanimously.
B. Consideration for approval submitted by David Lowry to replace the roof.
The premises are located at 29 N. Ferry Street in the Stockade Historic
District.
David Lowry presented the application.
Mr. Lowry briefly reviewed the application. He explained that during periods of
high wind portions of the shingles have been blowing off the roof, however they
discovered that the roof has not leaked because there are several layers of old
shingles under the top ones. Mr. Lowry stated that his roofing contractor will
remove all of the layers of old shingles when replacing the roof. He noted that the
roof is very difficult to see from the street and is only visible at all from across
North Ferry Street.
The Commissioners discussed the application and it was determined that because
the roof is not very visible from the street and was previously covered with asphalt
shingles several times, they had no objection to approving the application as
submitted.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
None.
RESOLUTION
Motion by Commissioner Marney, seconded by Commissioner Andriano, to
approve as submitted the application to replace the roof, with the following
conditions:
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1. The project will be completed within one year.
2. The drip edge will be replaced in kind.
3. Ice and water shield will be applied to the roof as required by City Code.
And with the following findings of fact:
1. This is a Type II SEQRA.
2. Although asphalt shingles were not the original covering for the roof, the
Commission believes that the roof is not highly visible on this structure and
that the visible portion is not a significant historical feature, therefore, the
historic character of the property will be retained and preserved (Historic
Preservation Standard #2) even with the use of the asphalt shingles.
Motion carried unanimously.
C. Consideration for approval submitted by Sharon and Ben Wiles to construct
an addition, replace a window, and modify a handrail. The premises are
located at 1302 Stratford Road in the GE Realty Plot Historic District.
Sharon Wiles and Beth Mosall, architect for the project, presented the application.
Mrs. Wiles briefly reviewed that application and explained that very little of the
alterations to the house will be visible from the right of way.
The Commissioners indicated that they had no objections to the application and did
not feel that the proposed changes would have any impact on the historic character
of the home.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
None.
RESOLUTION
Motion by Commissioner Marney, seconded by Commissioner Bennett, to approve
as submitted the application to construct an addition, replace a window, and modify
a handrail, with the following conditions:
1. The project will be completed within one year.
2. The existing windows will be reused if possible or will be replaced with a
similar wood window.
And with the following findings of fact:
1. This is a Type II SEQRA.
2. The addition is barely visible from the public right of way.
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Motion carried unanimously, with Commissioner Wiles recusing himself from
the vote.
D. Consideration for approval submitted by Xenolith Partners LLC to construct
a new four-story building. The premises are located at 38-40 Washington
Avenue in the Stockade Historic District.
Andrew Brick, attorney for the applicants, Kim Siciliano, Executive Director of the
YWCA, Terri Belkas-Mitchell of Xenolith Partners, John Montagne, landscape
architect, and Brian Loughlin, architect, presented the application.
Ms. Siciliano began the presentation by giving a brief history of the YWCA and the
services that they offer. She stated that she began her role as Executive Director in
2016 and since that time the number of clients seeking the YWCA’s services has
increased dramatically. She explained how this new addition to the campus will
allow them to serve more clients in a more efficient and effective manner.
Ms. Belkas-Mitchell introduced herself and explained that her firm is a women-
owned affordable housing development company. She gave a brief overview of the
goals and details of the design of the project, explaining that the new housing units
will not be dormitory style, as the existing units are, so the units will have separate
bathroom and kitchen facilities, giving the clients a greater sense of privacy and
autonomy.
John Montagne, Vice President and Head of Land Development at Greenman-
Pedersen Inc, next briefly reviewed the site plan. He noted that the YWCA had
originally sought to add 75 housing units, but the project was scaled back after
discussions with the neighbors and the Stockade Neighborhood Association.
Brian Loughlin, Director of Planning and Urban Design for Magnusson
Architecture and Planning, reviewed the revised elevation drawings that had
recently been submitted. He explained that the goal was to make the new building
fit in with the context of the original YWCA building, while not attempting to
appear historic or hide the fact that it is a contemporary addition. He stated that the
placement of the addition on the site was heavily influenced by the floodplain and
the existing archeologically significant areas of the site. He noted that at the request
of the Planning Commission some changes had been made to the building façade to
add more fenestration in the gables. He explained the use of different textures and
treatments on the building which are intended to reference the historic character of
the neighborhood while still contributing positively to what is clearly a
contemporary design.
The Commissioners indicated that they approved of the design and believe that it
will have a positive impact on the site and not detract from the historic character of
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the site and neighborhood in any way. The windows were discussed in some detail
as Mr. Loughlin explained that they are a product with a very high energy
efficiency rating, and they are made of a PVC material that does not look like vinyl
but rather an aluminum-clad wood. He stated that they are an expensive product,
but the priority of the developer is energy efficiency and they are willing to spend
more to ensure that the building will have a responsible environmental footprint.
Mr. Brick noted that the State Office of Historic Preservation (SHPO) has reviewed
the project and has stated that they believe the design is appropriate new
construction for the Stockade and they have no objection to the proposed materials.
PUBLIC COMMENTS
None.
RESOLUTION
Motion by Commissioner Marney, seconded by Commissioner Bennett, to approve
as submitted the application to construct a new four-story building.
And with the following findings of fact:
1. This is a Type II SEQRA.
2. The Commission refers to the Secretary of the Interior’s Standards for
Rehabilitation in approving this project, specifically Standards #9 (New
additions, exterior alterations or related new construction will not destroy
historic materials, features and spatial relationships that characterize the
property. The new work will be differentiated from the old and will be
compatible with the historic materials, features, size, scale and proportion,
and massing to protect the integrity of the property and its environment.)
and #10 (New additions and adjacent or related new construction will be
undertaken in such a manner that, if removed in the future, the essential
form and integrity of the historic property and its environment would be
unimpaired.)
Motion carried unanimously.
VI. MISCELLANEOUS
The Commissioners and staff discussed the removal of a concrete wall at the First
Unitarian Church on Wendell Avenue and how a permit was issued for the work by the
City without flagging the project for review by the Commission. Commissioner Yager
stated that she has spoken with Corporation Counsel about the situation and that she
and staff will continue to follow up.
VII. ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Commissioner Gilmore, seconded by Commissioner Marney, to adjourn the
meeting.
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Motion carried unanimously.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:21 p.m.
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Agenda
Schenectady Historic District Commission
To: Historic District Commission
From: Matthew Smith, Senior Planner
Subject: Regular Meeting, Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 7:00 PM
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I. Call to Order
II. Roll Call
III. Conflicts of Interest
IV. Adoption of Prior Meeting's Minutes
V. Applications
A. Consideration for approval submitted by Ashraf Ghaly to replace a portion of the roof. The
premises is located at 1001 Union St. in the Union Street Historic District.
B. Consideration for approval submitted by Ron Gardner to modify the approved entry stairs and
doors. The premises is located at 308 Green St. in the Stockade Historic District.
C. Consideration for approval submitted by David Lowry to replace the roof. The premises is
located at 29 N. Ferry St. in the Stockade Historic District.
D. Consideration for approval submitted by Sharon and Ben Wiles to construct an addition, replace a
window, and modify a handrail. The premises is located at 1302 Stratford Rd. in the GE
Realty Plot Historic District.
E. Consideration for approval submitted by Xenolith Partners LLC to construct a new four-story
building. The premises is located at 38-40 Washington Ave. in the Stockade Historic District.
VI. Miscellaneous
VII. Adjourn
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