City Council
Regular MeetingSebastopol, CA · March 10, 2021
Minutes
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CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING – STUDY SESSION
MINUTES FOR Meeting of March 10, 2021
As Approved by the City Council at their regular meeting of April 6, 2021.
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8:30 am Convene Regular City Council Meeting (ZOOM VIRTUAL FORMAT)
CALL TO ORDER: Mayor Glass called the regular meeting to order at 8:30 am.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Mayor Una Glass – By video teleconference
Vice Mayor Sarah Glade Gurney – By video teleconference
Councilmember Neysa Hinton – By video teleconference
Councilmember Diana Rich – By video teleconference
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Councilmember Patrick Slayter – By video teleconference
Absent: None
Staff: City Manager/City Attorney Larry McLaughlin
Assistant City Manager/City Clerk Mary Gourley
Administrative Services Director Ana Kwong
Fire Chief Bill Braga
Planning Director Kari Svanstrom
Police Chief Kevin Kilgore
Public Works Superintendent Dante Del Prete
SALUTE TO THE FLAG: Mayor Glass led the salute to the flag.
Mayor Glass read protocols for the meeting.
PUBLIC COMMENT (for items not on the agenda). There was none.
1. STUDY SESSION – Sebastopol Community Vitality Project: Report on Accomplishments; Current
Actions; and Discussion of Future Actions
City Manager/Attorney McLaughlin presented the agenda item with the following comments:
• The reason this item comes before you in the study session format is that it was very difficult for
the Agenda Review Committee to figure out an upcoming agenda where we could have the time
to thoroughly examine CoMission’s work past, present and future.
• The item before you today is a study session.
• As a study session, we do not expect the Council to take action but staff is looking for direction
from the Council in two general areas.
• With such direction, this would return on a subsequent agenda for action.
• As you're going to find out, there is not quite enough budget left in the CoMission budget line
item to finish out the full fiscal year through June 30th.
• We will be asking the Council for direction to complete their work this fiscal year.
• Assuming we get such direction, it would be our intention to bring back a subsequent agenda
item to ask for funding to work through the end of the fiscal year.
• Budget for next year begins next week for fiscal year beginning July 1st.
• We would like further Council direction on actions which may take place in the next fiscal year so
that a budget can be prepared and submitted through the budget committee for next year’s
budget.
• Staff is looking to get direction this morning in those two areas but Council cannot take action or
make a final decision this morning.
Craig Litwin and Johnny Nolen, CoMission, made a presentation to the City Council.
The Council discussed the following:
CBOs:
Mayor Glass made the following comments:
• Vice Mayor Gurney is the official representative to the Council.
• I’m wearing my hat as the co-leader of a non-profit.
• Co-leader (Catherine/Center for the Arts) has been attending those meetings.
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• They have been really useful for our organization having this Community Council.
• A very clear outcome for us has been collaborating with the Laguna Foundation.
• We had a meeting with the Executive Director of the Laguna Foundation and their staff to talk
about how we can collaborate.
• The Center for the Art’s art theme this year is climate and environment.
• That theme runs throughout our online exhibitions and activities that we're doing through the
Center for the Arts.
• That dovetails really well with the Laguna Foundation.
• We are working to co-promote the things that we're doing with the things they are doing.
• That is a very important outcome for us.
• The other thing that I know is that we will probably be talking about the notion of getting more
people, or more organizations involved with using the community calendar which is really
important to get people engaging with the non-profits in town.
• Discussed soliciting volunteers.
• The survey shows a lot of information about what the non-profits need from the Community
Council.
• The non-profits need donors.
• They need volunteers, and they need publicity.
• Out of this Community Council I think we are gaining on those needs.
Vice Mayor Gurney made the following comments:
• Commented about the CBO Council with several points.
• It creates a place for people to be introduced.
• In years past, people did not really know everyone and everyone was in their own silo doing their
work right here.
• Getting to meet the other Executive Directors, the name of the organization, and a face to go
with it was one of the first key accomplishments.
• CoMission created a place where leaders of the CBOs could actually share and discuss, not just
regular topics, but immediately the impact of the pandemic because everyone felt that, it was a
hard strike to the heart and core of their business.
• I think it was key to be able to mention the confusion and that sense of fear and realize that the
Executive Director and the CBO was not alone in the experience of having these discussions.
• Another point is that the organizations realized all of their commonalities because each
representative from the group is committed to the service ad making us a warm, rich, deeply sort
of experiential community on so many levels
• Then there is the mechanics to it.
• Everyone felt threatened in their fund base, in donors, and we are trying to pivot and figure out a
new activity.
• They have from these conversations these new perceptions, they realize they can work together,
this is a new future for us.
• A future where we're getting out of the little silos and people are seeing that we can actually
work together.
• We're a small community that's big in term of its wealth of CBOs.
• The group is expanding from the core people.
• At the end of every meeting, I'm in touch with Herman, and Herman’s in touch with me.
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• We'll think of more people we can reach out to as this core group is expanding its circle to include
what I think Craig Litwin touched on.
• This is people's real yearning in our community, our yearning to come together and our yearning
to take some action, particularly now, as we've gone through a year of isolation.
• Councilmember Rich and I are seeing that commitment and also that real energy in the Zero
Waste Committee that's just come together, and the Climate Action Committee that is new.
• Everybody's ready to engage for our community.
• The CBO Council has really deepened that interest in being together, in being a community bigger
than our little silos.
• I’m very grateful that we've had the CBO Council.
Sandra Bodley commented as follows:
• I really want to echo what the Mayor and Vice Mayor have said.
• I'm the president of the Gravenstein Health Coalition.
• For us to engage with other non-profits, there's such an overlap in regard to health, it
encompasses all of our well-being and there's so many dimensions of that.
• Coming to CoMission has just been a really positive experience and I cannot say enough about
Herman and his communication skills, and his follow up.
• I send him things about the coalition, and he gets them into the newsletter, and I get responses.
• I am a very grateful member.
• I think it serves a very vital purpose in our community.
Vice Mayor Gurney made the following comments:
• I wanted to say one more thing about the CBO Council, which I think is an important thing to
realize.
• I think our identity centers around our businesses, particularly our downtown core.
• I think it's a realization of this group that we're much bigger than our businesses.
• A lot of people don't experience town or community by just being downtown on Main Street.
• They experience belonging in so many other ways.
• I think the great focus here is on the community benefit organization because that's the part of
the community that people really find heartwarming.
• It's not always about spending the dollar locally, which is one of the strong values of our
community.
• It's about how do I plug in here, where are my people, how is my group doing, and what can I do
in service to our community?
• I think that's a real key point that the CBO Council has impressed upon me.
Mayor Glass commented as follows:
• The CBO Council Is about engaging our community and being a more vital and engaged
community.
• That's what the CBOs are about.
• We're really trying to get the community together to engage, rather than engaging just with
Netflix or Prime Video.
• We need to be engaged with each other, and that's been more important than ever in this past
year of isolation, sitting in front of a screen.
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• As we come out of the pandemic, how do we engage our community back with the CBOs and
have a community that's actually more engaged than ever because we are communicating with
all our CBOs?
• I think that's a really important aspect of what's being done here.
Councilmember Hinton commented as follows:
• Did we ever get a recap on the Sebastopol City loan program where we give out the $150K?
• I'm thinking of the people that received them, the businesses, and how much the received.
• I've never seen a recap.
• I'd be very interested in seeing that.
Mr. Nolen commented as follows:
• Everybody that got into the program went through and the reports were getting are that people
were grateful for it.
• We haven't heard any real complaints other than it was a personal loan instead of a business
loan, which is how the community credit union had to structure it.
• That was something we had to navigate.
• That was a great program that came out at a wonderful time, for the City to dig deep and commit
those funds really helped a lot of businesses.
Councilmember Hinton commented as follows:
• Asked CoMission to prepare a recap and send it off to Councilmembers
• It would be especially important since I sit on the subcommittee for the budget, which will be
starting next week.
No public comment on CBOs.
CoMission discussed Public Surveys:
Vice Mayor Gurney commented as follows:
• I'm going to say very briefly, I appreciate that staff has moved right into action here.
• This is really important for us.
• I really appreciate that all of this work by staff as well as all the Community Councils are taking
place.
• I think a lot of the time we don't hear the results of things.
• We go to meetings and we hear Mr. Litwin, Mr. Nolen, or someone else talk about these big
concepts, but it's not clear how much work is being done.
• This is really helpful, the staff report of the actions taken is very helpful and shows us that the
result of this is that we are all working together, that we're all, instead of randomly wandering
around, we're working more on specific things so that we're working in coalition and in alliance
on specific things.
• We will get more accomplished this way.
Mayor Glass commented as follows:
• I wanted to bring up two things in response to a couple of the comments here.
• Commented on the need for more non-electronic communication.
• In light of that, your survey came up with 200-some-odd people who want to volunteer for
things.
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• I'm thinking that we might want to build a walk and drop team for our volunteers in the city that
are interested in taking a nice stroll or a more vigorous walk, that we develop a team of
volunteers that can, for example, deliver our newsletter maybe every other month and that it be
done in person, if we are concerned that we are not getting across to people.
• That is a less expensive way to deliver. We wouldn’t have to pay for the snail mail.
• People will actually look at things that are dropped on their front doorstep.
• Another idea I had was that we have these great councils.
• We have the CBOs and now there's work being done with the service clubs and the businesses.
• The part that I think is missing, that we keep talking about, is that we're not communicating with
enough people, is to create a forum that's kind of an equity council and that the equity council be
a space where people can get together that are interested in equity issues.
• This would have to be not during business hours.
• Welcome people that are maybe primarily a different language speaking, people that are
interested in food equity issues, people that are involved with environmental groups, and people
that are involved with unions.
• We are representing the business community.
• We're bringing them in.
• We're bringing in the people that are capable of giving service, but we haven't created a platform
or a place where the people that are marginalized can be part of the process.
• That can't be during business hours, and obviously many of those people don't have time.
• Can we think about creating a space for people that are interested in equity?
• That's equity for people and equity for the planet.
Councilmember Rich commented as follows:
• I just wanted to make a couple of big picture comments and observations, and then offer some
suggestions, since this is a study session and we're looking at ideas for the future.
• Just as a general big picture observation, having been the executive director of the Community
Center, I'm well aware of what can happen when ideas are put out there.
• There is a mechanism for taking them beyond that.
• You get people together, they have really interesting concepts and ideas, they're energized,
and then it goes flat.
• It's often not a lack of interest. It's a lack of the infrastructure that allows the listing of the
contacts, the sharing of the Google sheet, the identification of action items, someone to
follow-up on those action items, and a person who allows space for everyone to be
heard, and for the rest of us to listen.
• That's been my experience at the non-profit level.
• We had a lot of efforts while I was there to bring people together, all the non-profit directors who
were incredibly overworked would get together and want to collaborate and want to get things
done, then we went back and were overwhelmed by our day-to-day work.
• I haven't been participating in the community benefit organization work that CoMission has been
facilitating but I have been on the service orgs group.
• It's not just the opportunity to collaborate and cooperate, it's also the opportunity to connect,
not just on a people basis but also in terms of action and memorialization and moving
forward.
• That is very time intensive work, and I want to say that I have really appreciated that the benefits
of that.
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• We already see that moving forward.
• That is hard work to be that facilitator.
• I think it's getting us huge benefits.
• I completely, and fully endorse the idea of something that is taken to people's doors, a door
hanger.
• I did that, and I had amazing volunteers and we all got out in the sunshine.
• We spent hours walking up to people's doors and putting the door hangers on their doorknobs.
• We did not leave them on doorsteps.
• That was really useful, and meaningful to people.
• I think that's a fabulous idea.
• It engages volunteers in the community.
• It gets people out.
• If you want collaboration and cooperation and connection and bridges, that is an incredible
opportunity.
• I think there needs to be more outreach.
• I know you're trying to do that, and I know it's a challenge in this world of COVID-19.
• That information needs to get out on a broader basis.
• The community benefits organization newsletter, which is brilliant, and I bet most people in the
community have not seen it, that needs to be distributed more fully.
• The rest of the public, people in this room, and others need to see that, to really experience the
benefit.
• For you to share with all the community these great listings that I'm looking at, the library, the
chamber of commerce, the conservationist, the newsletter has a great layout, great content, and
is very visually appealing.
• Getting that out on a broader basis is important.
• Applauding the complete and consistent focus on inclusion, and on expansion to as many people
as possible.
• I see that happening with this group, and listening, I think that is very important.
• I would urge people to take a look at the full report that has been summarized and recognized
here.
• I don't know if you've seen word clouds.
• If you look at this from a word cloud perspective, all of it is about web expansion, about getting
information out, about communicating, about understanding resources, about increases to social
media, web page content, platform-based development program, and getting people access to
software.
• These are things that CoMission has demonstrated.
• They're absolute experts at it.
• During COVID-19 we need that.
Mayor Glass commented as follows:
• What I'm noticing, and I think it's health, as you have ideas, and this goes for the public as well,
say them succinctly as we just heard, as you have the opportunity.
• We're all jotting notes down and integrating them as we can.
• Once we get through the presentation, we'll open it up to even more brainstorming.
Vice Mayor Gurney commented as follows:
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• I was reminded by Councilmember Rich's comments on the door hanger that Councilmember
Slayter put one out with information on COVID-19.
• That was a complete volunteer effort.
• We had his great example of taking information out to our public, and having our volunteers
doing that work.
• That was a number one success right there.
Public comment on COBs:
Natalie Timm commented as follows:
• Great presentation, lots of work, very appreciative.
• I just would like to say that I got my survey twice because I'm probably on some different lists.
• I'm sure that we don't want duplicates in citywide surveys.
• In terms of the big picture, I personally like a lot of outreach online. It decreases paper, let’s
not forget that.
• I just bring that up as a point of balance.
• There's another thing that's on my mind.
• Maybe this isn't the place, but I just want to remember back that the release of helium balloons is
prohibited in Sebastopol.
• For many years we couldn't even buy helium balloons in very many places and now they're
making a big comeback.
• They're still bad for birds, and bad for electric wires.
• Maybe that could be included in some information that goes out to the public?
David Mark Raymond commented as follows:
• President-elect of the Rotary Club of Sebastopol Sunrise.
• I sent a letter for City Councilmembers to have a look at.
• I hope that's part of your record.
• Two months ago the sixth president in line for leadership in Rotary, the current ones, and the
future ones, were getting together and talking about how we could get together with the City of
Sebastopol on prioritizing our grants, our fundraising efforts, and what could we do in these
challenging times to help out best.
• Soon the conversation turned to why don't we get out of our silos and start reaching out to the
other service delivering organizations, the other non-profits, the other service clubs like Kiwanis,
Lions, and everybody who's out there to see if we couldn't collaborate and build something
bigger.
• Fortunately for us, somebody mentioned it to Councilmember Rich who contacted at least me,
and I think the others to say that we might have a little bit of a social problem as the Rotary is the
big organization and we tend to dominate here in town.
• Are smaller organizations going to want to cooperate with you and sign on to your project?
• Rather than putting us at the head of the table, she suggested that we bring in some facilitation.
• I was skeptical, I don’t need that, I have a lot of experience with bringing people together.
• After the first meeting I was converted because it made total sense.
• It's working well.
• We went from two months ago at a start to now we're about to put out a survey and we're
cooperating.
• We have 11 service organizations currently involved, active, and meeting on a regular basis.
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• We're still doing the heavy lifting of our work.
• The scaffolding provided through CoMission and the vitality project is really the difference.
• I have great hope for us in the future, and I believe this may serve as an example when we are
successful for other communities to look at for ways for citizens, non-governmental citizens to
pull together, work together, and build ourselves into the future.
• I'm very, very excited about what we're doing now, and I'm very, very excited about the prospect
of what we will see in the future.
• I'm grateful to all of you for your support, and for bringing this to us.
• We could not have done it on our own nearly so well as we are doing it with the support that you
have furnished to us through the vitality project.
• Thank you, I'm grateful.
Public Comment on Business Section:
Jill McLewis commented as follows:
• The Downtown Association worked with the Chamber, and we covered over 50 businesses within
a few hours going door-to-door taking surveys from all the different business owners with a
variety of questions.
• Many businesses were not aware of CoMission, or really understood what their role was.
• Many of them were shocked to hear that they were actually there.
• I'm not sure where that breakdown is at.
• It is very easy to go door-to-door.
• Four of us volunteered for three hours and we were able to accomplish over 50 businesses from
the north to the south side of the city.
• Coming from a business perspective, I would like to see a better delineation of the KPIs.
• I haven't seen anything put out by the City ever.
• I would really like to see a true analysis.
• I think the conservation we're having are great and I can see the benefit with CBOs.
• With the businesses, I'm just not sure I'm seeing the results that some of the business owners
would expect, especially with the city spending 100k.
• That's a lot of money for a cash strapped City.
• The feedback that we received from the businesses was a little disappointing.
• I'm not sure where the deviation has occurred.
• It seems as though CoMission has been more concentrated on non-profits and service
organizations, perhaps that's the way that this role is supposed to go?
• It's hard to tell that because we haven't really seen the delineation of what exactly is expected by
the City for CoMission to do.
• We would like to see more information from the City, and more information from CoMission.
• If they are brought on for the future, what is their vision for helping businesses because right now
businesses are saying that they would rather see the money invested in grants for businesses
versus investing more money into consultants that they've not heard of.
• I'm encouraging everyone to understand that we're all discussing this year, but there's a big wide
city out there with a lot of people who do not understand these roles, but yet we're talking about
how we're going to help them.
• I think that there needs to be more discussions surrounding the businesses.
Rei Blaser commented as follows:
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• Reaching out to city-wide businesses and the CoMission statement under the current work plan
for 2021.
• They speak to support a unified town in look and feel.
• That's beyond the downtown, beyond the Chamber members.
• Grateful for what they're sharing with Linda Collins to facilitate her reaching out to her members.
• That's a number-based organization just as the SDA is.
• How the business council is serving the greater business population is still a mystery to me.
• I attend the meetings, but they have very grandiose ideas.
• I think that needs to get a little more rooted and grounded, connected with even the CBOs or the
non-profits and utilize this idea about volunteers going door-to-door, utilize volunteer’s door-to-
door to talk to the businesses that they frequent, or their service businesses, or if there's a bigger
collective in town.
• Secondly is the Façade Improvement Program.
• I know they assisted with conversation of opening up the moneys to 75%.
• The businesses that I spoke with when I did the walk-around are still feeling that it's too
cumbersome, and that the time frame is too huge to only be able to look at an application every
quarter.
• Would be curios if somebody on the Design Review Board could be chosen that would look at
applications as they come in and assist the businesses quicker and have a quicker turn around for
those façade improvements.
• That also goes with the idea of helping beautify the town if that is the goal of the City.
• To direct CoMission to expand on that element under the business council where they're asking
their associates to go out and visually look at businesses, look at who might need assistance, and
to engage with the businesses and ask them what they need.
• Do they know about the Façade Improvement program?
• Have they filled out the application?
• Go out and look at them.
• I'm hearing that it's all great, that CBO is fabulous.
• It's a great idea in the service organization as it's coming forward.
• Don't start going beyond that. Let's look at how we can back up and revisit everything that's
already been done.
• There’s a lot to share and a lot to engage with here.
• Three minutes on this kind of conversation is limiting for everyone.
Current Programming:
Councilmember Rich commented as follows:
• It's been a great experience.
• It's really amazing to see this combined effort.
• I's not just on the service club’s part to see the parallel activities with the non-profits and the
opportunity to bring them all together.
• It really has created a real opportunity to bring these people together, let them drive the idea of
collaborating in order to benefit the community in a much greater way than they could have
individually.
• These are people who want to volunteer, who want to help our community.
• We have churches, Lions Club, Kiwanis, Rotary Clubs, the Masons, 2030 Club, and all sorts of
people.
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• They're actively participating.
• We spent about an hour yesterday putting together an entire outreach list of probably 50 or
more organizations that we want to reach out to in order to ask them what their needs are.
• Instead of sitting back here and saying we're the service club orgs and we know what people
need, this is an opportunity to engage the community and ask the community what they need.
• As a group they can voice their needs.
• As a group the service clubs can bring the needs to fruition and do something with them.
• The amount of collaboration and engagement, and the fact this Is a bridge to action, these are
action-oriented groups.
• They don't like to just process.
• The potential for benefit to the community, it is not just potential, it is going to happen.
• It is really amazing, and it could not have happened without that space being created by
CoMission.
• That's been the process, everyone is engaged, everyone has a voice, and everyone is
contributing.
• As a result, we can hardly wait for the outcome.
• Having the action list, the Google sheets, and all of those pieces have been really incredible.
• I see ideas.
• For instance, we want to do outreach.
• We want to get volunteers engaged.
• We're talking about the time bank engagement, the community calendar engagement.
• Instead of just talking, this is going to be one of those things that actually happens.
• We have not just the initiative but someone who's willing to make sure that those action items
are checked off.
• Great experience.
• Really looking forward to seeing where these service organizations take this and the benefits that
we're going to see here in our great little town.
Public Comment on Current Programming:
Luke Lindenbusch commented as follows:
• I've been watching this process.
• I’m on the Planning Commission as well as the Climate Action Committee.
• Today, I am commenting exclusively for myself.
• I also applied for this position when it first came up.
• It was originally intended as a part-time, $40,000 position with the City.
• I was really disappointed to see it balloon to the larger sum of $100,000, I think it is up to
$120,000 at this point.
• It's not because I disagree with any of the work that happened.
• I think that a lot that was in my application was similar to the work that's been carried out.
• I am really disappointed that this has not been the staff position, that we haven't understood the
long-term importance of some of this work and really made sure it's part of our City
infrastructure because we really are not in the fiscal picture to be continually expanding the
budgets of consultant fees without really tangible benefit.
• I have had some issues with the work of CoMission.
• I think the survey wasn't as broad reaching as it needed to be.
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• I have more emails, and more phone numbers than I can count and I didn't receive the survey in
any form, and I talked to many residents who felt the same way.
• The business community is really disappointed from everyone I've talked to.
• I think a lot of the outreach that has been done is reaching a lot of the people who normally
would have been reached anyway.
• I think there's a lot of work to be done.
• I don't want to diminish any of the work that CoMission has done either because I think this is
really important.
• I think we need to be really prudent about how we use our financial resources at this time.
• If this is important work for the community, I think we've gotten a lot out of these materials as
noted in some places.
• I would like to see more details.
• I would like to see where the $150,000 to businesses went.
• I feel like I haven't really seen that much detail in terms of what has been accomplished with this
in the past year.
• I really support this work.
• I want to support this work.
• I think that if the Council and the City Manager want to continue in this direction, $120,000 could
go toward a FTE in the Planning Department, which currently doesn't have the bandwidth to
focus on economic development.
• If there were someone in the City full-time working on this, it could really be helpful for the City.
• I'm a little concerned about the fact that the selection of this consultant wasn't a very broad RFQ.
• There were minimal applications.
• I put mine together at the last minute because I hadn't really heard about it until it was coming
up.
• I just really think that there's an opportunity, if we want to continue with this work, to have it be
a staff position, to post it, and to be more transparent about who we get in here because I just
think that having a group that's really led by people who are insiders in our community, who are
really active, really engaged, and leading this work might be missing the full potential of what we
could be accomplishing here.
• Happy to continue this conversation.
• Thank you for your consideration.
Rei Blaser commented as follows:
• I wish to echo Mr. Lindenbusch’s comments from beginning to end.
• Thank you, Mr. Lindenbusch.
• You're a much clearer and more concise speaker than I could have pulled together myself.
• I really hope that everyone will take everything that Mr. Lindenbusch shared into really deep
consideration.
• I thought that the RFQ was going to come back in a year and go back out again, that this was just
a one-year trial and then review and go forward.
• Like Mr. Lindenbusch said, a staff position would be much more economically responsible than
the direction that this is going.
• CoMission laid the groundwork, got organizations talking, and got service groups and the
community benefit group going.
• Now that they are gelled, we can let them go, take away the facilitator, and then money put
toward that.
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Next Steps:
Mr. Litwin commented as follows:
• If you look at the conclusion page, what we're working for today is to understand if you would
like us to come back, to bring an additional scope to complete this fiscal year.
• We need to increase the funding if we're going to be able to do this work for May and June.
• You may recall, back in September, when we were approved for the work through the end of the
year, the Council asked us specifically to see if we could stretch the dollars and take them longer
than just the end of the calendar year, which we've done.
• We're going to be able to do that through April.
• We've done that by prioritizing, basically triaging where we can put the limited dollars.
• We're looking for that direction from the Council as far as what you would like to see.
• If you would like to see us come back with that scope for May and June, and also for next fiscal
year?
• Would you like us to prepare a work plan and scope to bring back for the following fiscal year?
• That conversation is interwoven with ideas and inspirations and what you would like to see for
next year because we're very clear in that if we continue with the Council work and we keep
facilitating and serving as the administrative hub for the different community councils and maybe
even look at an equity council as a fourth one, that's something that we can metabolize.
• We can predict the time.
• We can keep that going and give each council an appropriate amount of energy.
• The variables are the surveys and at what degree you want us to do those surveys.
• There are also new projects like an equity council or a volunteer core to deliver things.
• Looking for some direction here.
• Maybe we could start with what you would like to see us do next for this fiscal year?
City Manager McLaughlin commented as follows:
• I would like to mention again to the City Council that this being a study session, we weren't
looking for the Council to actually direct specific action today, but what we would like from the
Council is direction in two areas.
• The first area, as Mr. Litwin alluded to, is to continue the work that's ongoing, especially with the
three councils, through the end of the fiscal year.
• We have not used up the full budget for the year, but there is not quite enough money left in the
budget to complete that work.
• We propose to bring back an agenda item at the first City Council meeting in April, probably on
the Consent Calendar, to fund the work that's ongoing through the end of fiscal year.
• That would be somewhere in the range of $15,000 to $20,000 to cover through the end of the
fiscal year.
• The second direction we would like is to bring to the budget committee a request for the Council
to look at funding the CoMission’s work for the next fiscal year.
• Again, this would be a budget request through the budget committee.
• The budget committee would have the first look at it, the first review and analysis of it.
• Then it would come to the Council as part of the budget public hearing process probably in May,
potentially early June.
• I want to re-emphasize one thing.
• You saw from the attachments that the theme here is that what CoMission can start and then let
be carried forward by others is the ultimate goal.
• You saw that in the staff work that was done.
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• We didn't say thanks for the list, CoMission, now you go do these things.
• Instead, staff said, thanks for the list, CoMission and then staff went and accomplished a number
of things, which Mr. Litwin kind of summarized and which is in the report for this agenda item.
• It's the same thing with these councils.
• The whole idea for CBOs is to let these matters become kind of self-perpetuating, self-motivating,
to self-move on their own steam, to begin something and let it go forward.
• That's been our constant goal as a staff as well.
• We do agree that enhanced staff would be useful in the Planning Department.
• We are considering budgeting for that.
• However, we could not possibly have hired enough staff to do the work that CoMission has done.
• The thing about CoMission is that they have highly specialized people in CoMission who are the
experts in what they do, and there are several of these people.
• We don't have enough budget, frankly, to hire enough people to do the work that CoMission did.
• We didn't anticipate a pandemic, but we reacted to a pandemic.
• That required the work that was done and required the bandwidth and expertise that CoMission
brought to it.
• My view is that we're fortunate that they were here, very fortunate.
• We were able to better react to the challenges of the pandemic thanks to having them here.
• We're constantly working to carry this forth with existing resources.
• We are reactive to changing events.
• We plan on bringing two agenda items, one through the budget for next fiscal year and one to
fund CoMission through the end of this fiscal year.
Councilmember Hinton commented as follows:
• Question for the City Manager.
• If we're asking for $15,000 to $20,000 more for the year, he never did recap what was spent in
total so far.
• I would like to know that.
• Then second, I feel like especially with how much discussion we've had today and with people in
the community, I don't feel comfortable having it come back on the Consent Calendar when we
can't really do anything but discuss thoughts.
• I think that it needs to come back as a full agenda item if we're going to be spending additional
money this year.
City Manager McLaughlin commented as follows:
• For the present fiscal year, CoMission was budgeted at the $100,000 level.
• Through February we have spent just a little bit above $81,000.
• To continue the work that is presently ongoing with the Council, the average is somewhere
between, on the low side, stripped down as much as possible, $7,500 a month to on the higher
side, to do a bit more, or to meet some eventualities that we don't anticipate, $10,000 a month.
• Since we are budgeted through probably two more months of the fiscal year, I was anticipating
bringing back an agenda item to fund them, we’re talking March, the month we're in, and then
April, May, and June.
• Two months are budgeted already with enough money to cover them.
• I was anticipating bringing back a budget request to fund the additional two months through the
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• That would be the area of $7,500 a month to $10,000 a month, somewhere in that range.
Councilmember Hinton commented a follows:
• Is any of this reimbursable?
• We talked a lot about that for COVID-19.
Director Kwong commented as follows:
• We would need to discuss whether that money should go to paying of CoMission or if that should
go to cover other COVID-19 issues.
• The first CARES money that we received from was about $95,000 and it's just going to the
General Fund, it wasn’t for any specific projects.
• As far as the second wave of COVID-19 relief funds, I don't have any information for that yet.
• There isn't a place where we can just signal to when we have these disasters, where we can just
send invoices to get reimbursed, it’s not like that.
• The answer is no, there isn't a place to send CoMission costs to get State or Federal
reimbursement.
Councilmember Hinton stated it is not the case with the Federal funding that if we spend more we don’t
get more. Staff stated that is correct.
Vice Mayor Gurney commented as follows:
• A couple of big picture comments here.
• Our public has mentioned several times over the last several meetings this issue of tension
between full-time employee positions and consultants, and our use of consultants.
• I'm kind of directing this to the City Manager and also the budget subcommittee because in
addition to that concern, we have a historic one of support for our City Manager and Assistant
City Manager, there is another demand for our budget.
• I have heard that we need the person officially replacing the former Engineering Manager as a
full-time employee of the City, so we have a SPOC (specific person of contact) who is an
employee.
• We have also talked historically, coming out of the work of Cittaslow, about having a vitality
position online.
• You see what that overall tension that the public is mentioning about consultant versus full-time
employee and this history of proposals for full-time employee positions.
• We have to grapple with this, I think, right now in our upcoming budget.
• I would very much welcome the budget subcommittee to chew this over and try to come to some
recommendation and an analysis of why you are recommending that.
• Particularly on this point of full-time employee versus consultant.
Mayor Glass commented as follows:
• I think our City Manager and staff have explained to us several times about the issue regarding
the Engineering position.
• We did go out and try to hire a staff based engineer.
• It's very hard to hire somebody for that position right now.
• However, we are using a consulting firm to the point where they are like a specific person of
content.
• They are on site with us.
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• This is the sum of a different consultant every week kind of person.
• We do have that in place.
• As I recall, the reason we did it was because we weren't able to find somebody with the skill set
that we require as a full-time employee.
City Manager McLaughlin commented as follows:
• Thank you for mentioning all that.
• Most cities, in fact, use City attorneys who are members of large law firms and they get a full
service law firm.
• We use outside counsel.
• I am the City Attorney.
• Many of them use outside law firms that provide a multitude of different specialized attorney
work where that City needs it in particular, beyond the skills of the person who is the designated
City Attorney.
• Nobody calls that attorney firm the dreaded word, "consultant.” Our engineering firm, in my
view, is not a consultant.
• We have staff from the engineering firm that provides the work that we need that would, in
other cities, larger cities, be done potentially by a staff member.
• Many cities have engineering firms providing their professional engineering services.
• We don't consult with them.
• They actually provide the expertise and work that an individual engineer would have provided if
we paid an engineer a monthly salary.
• Same person, same work.
• We have a broader spectrum of specialized services to draw on, if need be, from that engineering
firm because like the attorney firm I was talking about, they have multiple specialties within their
firm.
• I actually wanted to try this again, if need be, and it needed to be because we were not able to
hire an employee, as the Mayor indicated.
• I wanted to try it again because at a point in time in the past we had an engineering firm
providing our professional services.
• We had an engineer attend every single one of our staff meetings.
• There was no difference between that person being an employee of the City or being an
employee of the engineering firm.
• Same person, same expertise, same work load, same attendance at our staff meetings.
• As I see it, there's some evident confusion on the part of staff potentially because we're no
different than a number of other cities that operate in the exact same way.
• Apparently, they don't have any questions being raised.
• I think there must be some misunderstanding over there, which we hope to clear up.
Vice Mayor Gurney commented offline from the meeting that she was going to propose that we have a
staff meeting with SCTA staff which will be coming to you in an email later today.
Mayor Glass commented as follows:
• I would like to make a comment as a member of the budget subcommittee.
• I am hearing everybody's comments regarding expense, having staff, et cetera.
• As a member of the budget subcommittee, I'm not talking about the current fiscal year.
• I'm talking about the upcoming fiscal year.
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• I am interested in figuring out how we can provide more in-house support, particularly to our
management staff and that those people be available to work with CoMission and take the
information that CoMission has been supplying to us to work more on implementing what needs
to be done.
• I agree, it's hard when you look at the hourly billing rate of using an organization that's outside
us, that gets to be pretty expensive.
• However, there are certain aspects of what CoMission has been doing that we couldn't have
done.
• We're not going to hire somebody full-time that has their expertise at doing surveys and some of
the technology work that they're doing.
• We can't afford to hire somebody on our staff full-time that's got that level of expertise.
• However, there are some things that they're doing, I believe, that we could be saving a lot of
money if we did some of the implementation work in-house.
• Maybe we can look at how we could do things more efficiently and more cost effectively if we
look at that for our next year's budget.
• I'm saying to my fellow budget subcommittee person that I think we need to take a look at that.
• We could do some cost savings as well as be more effective.
• The other thing I would like to say is that we have some members of the community saying things
like they contacted people in our business community that were never contacted by CoMission,
et cetera, and I think what we tend to do in these meetings is when people make these criticisms,
we're not really entirely responding to them.
• I think we could respond to them more specifically.
• We do need to do a hard stop here today.
• When we bring this forward as a budget item, as an agenda item to talk about this again in the
next few weeks, I'd really like to hear Mr. Litwin and Mr. Nolen talk about their methodology for
reaching out to the business community specifically.
• As I recall, what you did was you used our business license database and perhaps information
from the Chamber.
• I don't know exactly what it is, but I think that as these criticisms come out, they get this kind of
urban myth status where, oh no, they didn't reach out to people.
• You're not really responding to these criticisms.
• I think we would all be better off if we could hear specific responses to some of these criticisms.
• I think that the public would like to hear that.
• I think as a Council we need to understand exactly what the response is to these criticisms.
Councilmember Rich commented as follows:
• In terms of the extension of funding through the end of this fiscal year, I am 100% in support of
that funding.
• As I look at the history of the services that we provided and the building benefit that we've heard
about from many, many people, not just here but also in emails we've received, it's pretty clear to
me that we're coming to a culmination point with the summit that's planned in May.
• I see a lot of substantial progress being made with the service organizations council and that
would be lost unless we continue this funding through the end of June.
• Whether or not anyone has any concerns or hesitation about the money that's been spent so far
given the investment at this point, I think it would be really, really sad if but for an additional
$20,000, which let me tell you, $20,000 means a lot to me.
• This is our town, and it sounds like $100,000 has been allocated so far.
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• I am fully in support despite my particular election against spending our City's money.
• I am fully in support of making sure that we maximize the benefit here.
• As a separate comment, and one of the reasons that I feel this way, I have incredible trust in our
City Manager and Assistant City Manager's ability to assess the value of services like this.
• I hear a very clear voice from our staff, from our administrative personnel, that this has been a
worthwhile effort.
• I am confident that they've been keeping a very close eye on the activities of CoMission.
• They know the isolation, the need for hope for the future.
• They know how hard-pressed the staff is to be doing any of this work.
• They know how important it is to our community on a bigger picture level.
• I just want everyone to know here that my personal experience with CoMission has been that
their use of time is incredibly efficient.
• They have demonstrated that they allocate their lower hourly paid people as much time as
possible.
• I will tell you that those lower paid hourly people are excellent.
• We're getting our money's worth there.
• I know that they provide no bill time because I've experienced the benefit of that.
• From my experience, they are cognizant of the need to spend the City's money in a very efficient
manner.
• I think that that's one of the benefits that we get from using a well-connected group that knows
our community.
• They have a reputation here and they value that reputation.
• We see that.
• They are not an outside consultant from some outside city.
• They are our people here.
• Finally, I would reiterate what I think CoMission and all of us are hearing over and over, which is
that it's time for boots on the ground.
• It's time for going door-to-door.
• It's time for going business-to-business.
• They can't do that alone, which means it's time for us to engage, as I see the service organizations
doing.
• It's time for us to engage our broader community, our volunteers, get them out of their houses,
and get them to help us.
• That's a direction that CoMission and the service organizations council is going, trying to address
the community calendar, all those efforts.
• In term of next year's funding, I honestly just don't have enough information.
• I will tell you that every single thing that CoMission has done has been with the expectation that
they are memorializing all of the work that has been done, that it has been documented so we
can move into the future without them having to be in the room.
Vice Mayor Gurney commented as follows:
• In order to save time, looking at our time window expiring, I'll second every remark
Councilmember Rich has made, I appreciate your summary.
• I appreciate the Mayor mentioning these criticisms.
• I think it’s very valuable feedback and I would like to ask of the people who did the survey,
number one, can you please get in contact with CoMission on these points?
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• What were your questions?
• What specifically did you ask?
• The dialed in questions, not the ho-hum we kind of talked about question.
• I'd like to know what was the nature of that survey.
• Who did you talk to?
• Was it an employee, a business owner, the real property owner?
• Please give that list of contacts, all of that information, email, phone number, and address to
CoMission.
• Thirdly, I'd like to know what kind of business was it so we can see who wasn't mentioned
because it's really important now that all this effort come together.
• This is what Councilmember Rich was saying about action.
• Let's pull this together.
• Let's use those criticisms in a really helpful way.
• Call it feedback and weave it into our future efforts.
• We really need to know those specifics from people who did that survey, the four volunteers
need to release that information to CoMission.
• That would be a really important next step for me, and for the volunteer effort.
• Please plug your work into CoMission so we can all see the benefit together.
• That's really the whole point of all of this over last year.
Councilmember Slayter commented as follows:
• The community vitality project is something that honestly, I'm going to go ahead and take credit
for that title.
• Historically, the position was much narrower in focus and it was called economic development or
economic vitality.
• You still see that in most other communities where this kind of work is being done.
• It was really important for me to title it community vitality because all these independent systems
are so interconnected.
• The non-profits, service organizations, the business community.
• I don't mean just Main Street.
• I mean people who do what I do in spare bedrooms, in back rooms, in outbuildings, and doctors
and service providers that are not in retail.
• Honestly, those type of businesses I would venture greatly outnumber retail.
• The interconnectedness of all of this is so vital.
• A little historical perspective for everybody, we funded this pre-pandemic.
• It took six months to go through the RFP, RFQ, interviews, and all of that work.
• The determination was made by the City Manager whose decision it was, by the way, to go with
the local group, CoMission.
• I think it was less than 30 days later when the initial shelter-in-place order came down.
• The then Vice Mayor and myself as Mayor, we met an awful lot trying to figure out how to pivot.
• The ability of CoMission to make that pivot when PPP came out, nobody even knew what it stood
for.
• Now these are things that we all know intimately.
• The ability of CoMission to pivot and be much more than just what we thought was initially the
community vitality position in doing that work.
• Yes, it is easy to criticize.
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• Yes, there are things that need criticism.
• That doesn't mean that it cannot be constructive and that we can’t figure out how to have this
money, this public money, go to the public benefit.
• It will never be perfect.
• There will always be the ability for people to criticize.
• There will always be things worthy of criticism, but that doesn't mean that we can't learn from it
and do this properly.
• The other final thought is that the numbers are just being released about the stimulus package
that Washington is deep in today.
• It looks like, for Sebastopol, the stimulus money is going to be about 1.444 million.
• That is money that will help make us whole, help make up our losses.
• This isn't new money that's a bonus, this is to make us whole.
• At the same time we had budgeted for a community vitality position.
• The contract has ballooned.
• That's no secret.
• It's not as dire as it once seemed, I think, going into the budget.
• The knowledge of that stimulus money couldn't have come at a better time. Knowing how much
that was going to be before the budget work has started.
• Thanks, Mr. Litwin.
• Thanks, Mr. Nolen.
• Thanks to your entire team.
• Please pass along to them my gratitude because I know that it's down to people who answer the
phone and respond to emails, that are logistical and not super high level.
• Every one of those people does great work, thank you.
Councilmember Hinton departed the meeting at 10:30 am.
Vice Mayor Gurney commented as follows:
• I would like to echo the comments of all of my colleagues.
• CoMission has done an incredible and great job.
• I can also attest to Councilmember Slayter’s comment, I was there when he came up with the
name.
• We were standing in the parking lot behind City Hall thinking about what we should call it.
• Councilmember Slayter came up with community vitality and I said, yes, you are right.
• We had a lot more discussions about it when we were at League of Cities meetings and listening
to League of Cities economic development meetings, et cetera.
• We kept coming back to Sebastopol being more than just an economic engine.
• We're about the sum of the parts.
• The sum of the parts is non-profits, it’s the people that live here, it’s the businesses that are here,
it’s the retail downtown, it’s the restaurants that are all over, it’s the schools. We need to pull all
these parts together.
• That's what's so important about the work that Mr. Litwin, Mr. Nolen, and their colleagues have
done.
• This gives us a basis to move forward.
• We need to continue the work, as Councilmember Rich said, we need to pull it all together.
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• Then, we need to continue to act on it and implement on it, not just let it sit on a shelf, as has
also been discussed here.
• Thank you to our City staff, who has actually taken a lot of this feedback and is acting on it.
• The report showing what City staff has actually done to act on this information has been very,
very critical to our understanding that this is money well invested.
Rei Blaser commented as follows:
• I want to speak directly to the excess use of the word "criticism" throughout the last few
speakers' comments.
• It would be a lot more proactive to directly say, please engage with CoMission and share
feedback about who you spoke with.
• Further, my concern is, if CoMission's work was to connect with the businesses in the city of
Sebastopol and there is well over 150, I don't even know that it’s our task to know that when the
City has the information.
• 150 businesses do not provide scope or reflection of what the business community needs.
• That's all that we were trying to express.
• We saw 50 businesses in our afternoon together.
• It wasn't criticism on their work.
• We are sharing the feedback of what we learned from those businesses when they shared with
us that they hadn't heard from CoMission.
• It wasn't a judgment.
• We were sharing information about who are they speaking with.
• I'll gladly share the names of the businesses that we reached out to and to find out from
CoMission whether they also reached out to them and to see if there was a cross of
communication.
• I personally spoke with all the business owners.
• I did have direct communication with knowing whether or not they had connected with
CoMission.
• Thank you.
• That was not criticism.
• Please, please, do not devalue our efforts as a volunteer organization.
• CoMission is being paid and yes, they have the ability to extend themselves more than our
volunteers, and our organizations.
• That's all.
• I'm just asking for some respect rather than the comments that were made.
• Thank you.
Mayor Glass commented as follows:
• I would urge everybody to communicate with CoMission, and let's get every person's input to
CoMission.
• Let's move forward.
City Council Action: No formal action. Study Session
Minute Order Number: 2021-049
ADJOURNMENT OF CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING – STUDY SESSION
Meeting will be adjourned to the City Council Regular City Council Meeting scheduled for Tuesday April 6,
2021 at 6:00 pm.
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Mayor Glass adjourned the Regular City Council Meeting at 10:45 am.
Respectfully Submitted:
Mary C. Gourley
Assistant City Manager/City Clerk, MMC
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