City Council Meeting - ARCHIVED
Regular MeetingSouth Jordan, UT · October 1, 2024
Minutes
SOUTH JORDAN CITY
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
October 1, 2024
Present: Mayor Dawn R. Ramsey, Council Member Patrick Harris, Council Member
Tamara Zander, Council Member Kathie Johnson, Council Member Jason
McGuire, City Manager Dustin Lewis, Assistant City Manager Jason Rasmussen,
City Attorney Ryan Loose, Director of Strategy & Budget Don Tingey, Director
of City Commerce Brian Preece, Director of Public Works Raymond Garrison,
CFO Sunil Naidu, City Engineer Brad Klavano, Director of Administrative
Services Melinda Seager, Police Chief Jeff Carr, Fire Chief Chris Dawson,
Director of Recreation Janell Payne, Communications Manager Rachael Van
Cleave, IS Senior System Administrator Phill Brown, IS Systems Administrator
Ken Roberts, GIS Coordinator Matt Jarman, City Recorder Anna Crookston,
Meeting Transcriptionist Diana Baun, City Planner Greg Schindler
Absent: Council Member Don Shelton
Others: Mylee Wong, Lilly Wong, Brody Harris, Gabriella Helm, Lili Brady, Sam Longhurst,
Thalea Longhurst, Lisa Stowe, John Gust, Josh Gibbons
6:41 P.M.
REGULAR MEETING
A. Welcome, Roll Call, and Introduction - By Mayor, Dawn Ramsey
Mayor Ramsey welcomed everyone and introduced the meeting. She excused Council Member
Shelton who was absent tonight.
B. Invocation – By Council Member, Kathie Johnson
Council Member Johnson offered the invocation.
C. Pledge of Allegiance – By Communications Manager, Rachael Van Cleave
Manager Van Cleave led the audience in the Pledge of Allegiance.
D. Minute Approval
D.1. September 17, 2024 City Council Study Meeting
D.2. September 17, 2024 City Council Meeting
Council Member Harris motioned to approve the September 17, 2024 City Council Study
Meeting and September 17, 2024 City Council Meeting minutes as published. Council
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Member McGuire seconded the motion; vote was 4-0, unanimous in favor. Council
Member Shelton was absent from the vote.
E. Mayor and Council Reports
Council Member Jason McGuire
- Attended the Shields Lane Corridor Open House to view public reactions.
- Met with some members of the Bingham Creek Regional Park Authority Board to discuss
future plans.
Council Member Kathie Johnson – Nothing
Council Member Patrick Harris
- Attended a Sewer Board Meeting with Jordan Basin.
- Reached out to City Manager Dustin Lewis to discuss a proposal about cities potentially
being reimbursed for various sewer things.
- Has some interactions with Assistant City Manager Jason Rasmussen, who has been
helpful.
Council Member Tamara Zander
- There have been a few short-term rental discussions during study meeting, and since the
last one she has had a few residents reach out to her verbally and through email,
expressing their thoughts about the discussion. She has appreciated the engagement from
the city as well.
Mayor Dawn Ramsey
- Attended the Herriman City Community Partners Luncheon.
- Attended the second to last Bees home game at Smith’s Ballpark, in her official capacity.
- Last week, the American Metropolitan Planning Organization had their national
conference here in Salt Lake with regional planning organizations. The largest regional
planning organization in Utah is the Wasatch Regional Front Council. She chairs that
council which represents about 80% - 85% of the state’s population, and was asked to be
on a panel for the opening session with other elected officials in the area.
- Last night she attended the Hispanic Heritage Congressional Recognition with
Congressman Burgess Owens who recognized four South Jordan residents for their
contributions.
F. Public Comment
Mayor Ramsey opened the public comment portion of the meeting.
Lisa Stowe (Resident) – I have two short term rentals on my street. Thank you for allowing me
to sit in on your study meetings, it has been extremely educational and enlightening, and it has
been very hard to keep my mouth shut but I have done it so far; thank you for giving me this
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forum to speak. I also wanted to thank those of you who have been able to read the letter that I
had provided previously, and am assuming you all have or will read that letter; I don’t want to
get into too much detail but wanted to share specifically some of things I have been able to
observe in the study meeting and some of your proposals and some of my thoughts on that. I
have heard a lot of things in the study meetings about regulating it, but I have not heard anything
about benefits of having short-term rentals, other than perhaps residents might be annoyed and
complain. Based on some of the statistics in the meeting, it seems to me that some of these
people might not even be South Jordan City residents, and I would be less inclined to think their
opinion would matter as much as those of us who actually live here. We talked a little bit about
property rights and private property rights, I would personally argue that property owners don’t
have the right to operate residences as a business. I know that I have proposed in my letter and
other places that it’s perhaps a zoning violation, and I understand that probably from a regulatory
perspective to enforce and manage that there may be challenges, so I know that might not be the
angle we want to take, but I would still suggest that providing short-term housing to someone is a
non-residential use because it is solely for business purposes. Just like I can’t move out of my
home and turn it into a restaurant, even if I had a business license because it’s still a business, I
think that’s a similar argument for what they’re doing as well. Again, I think the business license
might be a good vehicle for that, but I think it’s interesting to acknowledge it being a business,
but it’s not a home business because they don’t live there. In talking about some of the solutions,
I think I want to consider some of the outcomes we are looking for. I think if we are looking to
limit complaints of residents in terms of people like me who live next to short-term rentals,
certain regulatory actions could be taken, but I also think volume in and of itself is a concern and
what it does to a community; being able to regulate the volume of them is also really important
to me as well. If that is the case, I think some of what we would want to put into place might be
those things that might dissuade someone from wanting to start, or maintain their short-term
rental, that may make it a little bit harder to do so versus just trying to solve the concerns of the
citizens that live next to it. In terms of the other solutions we talked about, people being nearby
to come quickly, in my particular situation, the person that lives next door to me that maintains
that home is less than five minutes away, but it doesn’t arm me with a lot of ability. I can either
try to talk to them, but why would they want to please me when they have someone who’s going
to be rating them on a website that’s going to affect their bottom line, where they want to get five
starts. I also don’t like to call the police, assuming it’s a citable offense, because I understand
that’s also a disruption to the police department if it’s not a dangerous situation. It still doesn’t
allow me a lot of options.
G. Public Hearing Item
G.1. Ordinance 2024-21, Adopting an amended and updated Impact Fee for
Transportation within the “Last Hold Out” properties; establishing certain policies
related to Impact Fees for Transportation Facilities; establishing Service Area; and/or
other related matters. (By Director of Strategy & Budget, Don Tingey & LRB Vice
President, Fred Philpot)
Fred Philpot reviewed his prepared presentation (Attachment A) regarding the proposed
amendment related to Transportation elements of the Impact Fees.
Mayor Ramsey opened the Public Hearing for comments.
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John Gust (Business Representative) – I represent the South Jordan Commercial Development
on 10600 South and Mountain View Corridor. We haven’t formally named it yet, but we’re
close. We have been going over the fees with Don and our traffic engineer. We met yesterday
and today, and there are some issues we still feel are open. The biggest issue is we have the retail
component, the sit-down restaurant component, and we have the fast food/drive-thru/fast casual
component. We don’t have a problem with retail or sit-down restaurants basically, but the area
that is really kind of troubling for us is the fast food or fast casual drive-thru. If I can just indulge
you for a moment and go over the fees for retail on the Daybreak side, which is on the south side,
and we are on the north side. We sold them the south side so they could be cohesive in what they
wanted to do around the ballpark area. For retail their fees are around $2000, they did put in the
improvements out there obviously, but they still have a fee of $2000 for retail. Sit-down is $4569
and fast food is $15,731 per thousand square feet. On our side, the fee is doubled where our retail
is up to $4780, the sit-down restaurant is $11,125, and it’s about a two to one difference in price.
However, the fast food casual is $38,000 per thousand square feet. The problem we have is that
obviously we are competing technically, they have the south side and we have the north side, and
we feel it puts us at somewhat of a disadvantage out there, how do we compete. In the ordinance
that Don and those guys gave to us today there was a blended opportunity under the rules, and
Josh can explain that better, but we talk about the blended rate and he can do a better job on that
than I can. What I am asking is if we could maybe postpone making this decision for a couple of
weeks, allowing us to work this through with the staff a little further and come back with a
recommendation that we can all agree on, and I can brief Doug and all the other partners in our
project a little bit more thoroughly than I have.
Josh Gibbons (Hales Engineering) – we worked with John to review the impact fees. I will say,
before I go over a couple things, we reviewed how the impact fees were calculated, overall it
looked like a great process. We worked with Fred on other projects and he does great work, so
from that side of things it all looked good. What John is referring to tonight is more on the back
end when the development is brought forth to calculate the impact fees, how it is calculated. As
he mentioned, the fees have lowered, and are still at least double what Daybreak would be. It is
less than South Jordan proper, but double the Daybreak area. What we have discussed a little bit
is that you can look at individual retail land uses, general retail or fast food. Fast food generates
much more traffic than a typical retail, so you can look at them individually, but based on the
national standards you can also look at them as a collective retail development, which is what
John is planning in that area, where it is a mix of retail, restaurants which can include fast food
and other things like that. The standard that would be followed would be to look at the site as a
whole and run it as a collective general retail shopping plaza or shopping center, those are the
terms we use, and in the end it is more of a blended rate, where it is going to be slightly higher
than your just retail land use, but lower than your fast food. What that allows you to do is to have
it be more spread out amongst all the square footage, instead of fast food being so high; that is
what John is talking about, the concern of fast food being high. From a traffic engineer’s
prospective, that would meet the standard procedures to look at the site as a whole, if that were
possible on the back end, but obviously I understand that would be up to staff how that is
calculated, potentially with a traffic study to back that up with the data to show that. That is the
information I wanted to share today, that the typical would be a blended rate, which in the end is
actually how WCG ran the numbers in the first place, as a collective whole of square footage for
retail and similar uses.
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Mayor Ramsey closed the Public Hearing and turned to the council for comments or questions.
Council Member Zander asked Mr. Philpot about the quoted numbers being double and triple the
Daybreak rates.
Mr. Philpot explained the difference between the Daybreak service area and South Jordan proper
service area as having to do with the agreements made relative to Daybreak putting in
infrastructure, which had a credit applied. The impact fee, while it might look disproportionate
on the surface, actually has other mechanism used to pay for infrastructure that are not included
in the Daybreak fees because they are fronting that cost. To keep that proportionate and fair,
those agreement are considered. For other areas without that development agreement in place,
the infrastructure is funded, in part, with the impact fee, which increases that allocation.
Council Member Zander asked Mr. Philpot if he feels, in his professional opinion, that the fees
are balanced.
Mr. Philpot responded that yes, they are proportionate relative to the information.
Council Member Johnson noted Mr. Gust’s comment on “blending,” and asked if he is
developing the whole development.
Mr. Philpot responded that he was not sure on the specifics to the development itself, but all
impact fees, including the city’s impact fees ordinance, allows for consideration for different
land use types. They provide a schedule with standard uses, relative to the cost per trip and
application at cost per trip, but there is also a nonstandard formula that can be utilized for a
developer to come in and say they feel differently about what the schedule shows and present
data to support their feelings. The city is obligated to review that information. They are not
required to take action, but the city is obligated to review that information and have that dialogue
with the developer. If they come to consensus that there is a need to asses an alternative fee, then
the city can do that; that often happens with communities, but it is conditional upon the
developer providing that information to the city for reconsideration. It is also part of the
ordinance that a developer can come in and offer to do some of the improvements themselves in
lieu of impact fees. In this case that doesn’t necessarily apply because it’s all a buy-in for
infrastructure that is already constructed. For this specific service area, there is no additional
infrastructure assessed, which is why you see the impact fee for this service area is actually
lower than the South Jordan proper service area recently adopted.
Council Member Zander noted that Mr. Gust discussed their property being split and sold
partially to Daybreak, with the southern piece being adopted into the Daybreak service area.
Mr. Philpot responded that he wasn’t sure if that would remove them from the service area. As
defined in the 2024 Transportation Impact Fees, there is a delineation for the Daybreak service
area, the South Jordan proper service area, and the Rio Tinto service area. These areas were
specifically pulled out during the last hold-out analysis and addressed separately, not included in
the Daybreak or South Jordan proper service area.
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Council Member Harris acknowledged Mr. Gust’s request to delay voting for this tonight, but
based on the discussion it sounds like there is already a solution for that, allowing him to address
the city directly if he feels there is an alternative way to calculate his fees.
Mr. Philpot agreed and reiterated that there is a process in the current ordinance to allow for
alternative consideration.
Manager Lewis stated that there has been a lot of time spent working on this, and he feels the
city is good to move forward with it as presented.
Council Member McGuire motioned to approve Ordinance 2024-21, Adopting an amended
and updated Impact Fee for Transportation within the “Last Hold Out” properties.
Council Member Zander seconded the motion.
Roll Call Vote
Yes – Council Member McGuire
Yes – Council Member Zander
Yes – Council Member Harris
Yes – Council Member Johnson
Absent – Council Member Shelton
Motion passes 4-0, vote in favor; Council Member Shelton was absent from the vote.
H. Staff Reports and Calendaring Items
Director of Engineering Brad Klavano gave a quick update on 9800 South and Bangerter. A few
weeks ago, UDOT informed the city they would not close the east/west until the first of
December; they are behind getting the future on and off ramps completed. Regarding the
pedestrian bridge, we should start to see components coming in over the next month or so, being
installed as they come in, with their commitment to have it done by Thanksgiving with it being
open after Thanksgiving break. UDOT is still working with the school district on bussing and
paying for hazardous bussing at the moment.
Council Member Zander motioned to adjourn the October 1, 2024 City Council
Meeting. Council Member Johnson seconded the motion; vote was 4-0, unanimous in
favor. Council Member Shelton was absent from the vote.
ADJOURNMENT
The October 1, 2024 City Council Meeting adjourned at 7:18 p.m.
This is a true and correct copy of the October 1, 2024 City Council Meeting Minutes, which
were approved on October 15, 2024.
South Jordan City Recorder
Attachment A
SOUTH JORDAN, UTAH
LAST HOLDOUT TRANSPORTATION IFA AMENDMENT
OCTOBER 2024
METHODOLOGY
1. Intent to amend the 2023 impact fee for Service Area 1 – Last Hold Out.
2. Supported by an analysis completed by Wall Consulting Group (“WCG”)
relative to the transportation buy-in value of South Jordan Parkway.
3. The impact fee has been adjusted to account for the recalculation of
buy-in value based on the 2015 Purchase and Reimbursement
Agreement for the Extension of South Jordan Parkway (dated
November 2, 2015, see Article III).
4. No changes to the Service Areas, demand analysis, LOS, capital
facilities analysis, or other assumptions from the 2023 analysis have
been incorporated into this amendment.
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ANALYSIS
AMENDED TABLE 4.1: ALLOCATED COST PER TRIP
TRAFFIC GENERATOR/SUB AREA
SOUTH JORDAN PARKWAY SEGMENT HIGH SCHOOL DIST. BASTIAN
SCHOOL FLEX/MIXED PROPERTY QUALIFIED COST
SITE USE SITE EAST SITE
Mountain View Corridor East to Daybreak
$17,905,637
Boundary
2016 Developer Agreement ($1,481,636)
Amended Mountain View Corridor East to
$16,424,001
Daybreak Boundary Cost
Percent of daily traffic on segment 1.22% 3.96% 7.03% 12.21%
Buy-in Cost $200,373 $650,390 $1,154,607 $2,005,370
West of the Mountain View Corridor to
$17,753,634
Highway 111
Percent of daily traffic on segment 1.87% 4.81% 2.48% 9.16%
Buy-in Cost $331,993 $853,950 $440,290 $1,626,233
Amended Overall Corridor within Daybreak $34,177,635
Total Buy-in Cost $532,366 $1,504,340 $1,594,897
Percent of total qualified cost 1.56% 4.40% 4.67%
Source: South Jordan Parkway Buy-In Fee Analysis Update, Table 1
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Amended August 2024
ANALYSIS
AMENDED TABLE 6.1: ALLOCATED COST PER TRIP
TOTAL
% OF TOTAL COST TO NEW TRIP COST PER PROFESSIONA
QUALIFIED TOTAL
QUALIFIED COST SERVICE AREA ENDS TRIP END L EXPENSE
COST
School District Property $34,177,635 5.96% $2,036,706 11,221 $181.51 $0.96 $182.47
Bastian East Property $34,177,635 4.67% $1,594,897 4,395 $362.86 $0.96 $363.82
AMENDED TABLE 6.2: RECOMMENDED IMPACT FEE BASED ON LAND-USE TYPE
ENTERING ADJUSTED SCHOOL
ITE WEEKDAY PASS-BY BASTIAN
LAND USE UNIT / TRIPS DISTRICT
CODE TRIP RATE ADJUST. PROPERTY
EXITING ENDS PROPERTY
Single Family Residential 210 Unit 9.43 0% 0.5 4.72 $860.36 $1,715.39
Multi-Family Low-Rise (≤ 3
220 Unit 6.74 0% 0.5 3.37 $614.93 $1,226.06
stories)
Light Industrial 110 KSF 4.87 0% 0.5 2.44 $444.32 $885.89
General Office 710 KSF 10.84 0% 0.5 5.42 $989.00 $1,971.88
Shopping Center/General
820 KSF 37.01 29% 0.5 13.14 $2,397.43 $4,780.02
Commercial 150k-300k sq ft
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ANALYSIS
AMENDED FORMULA
FORMULA FOR NON-STANDARD IMPACT FEES:
School District Property: Total Trip Ends (per specified land use) x Applicable
Adjustment Factors x Cost Per Trip End ($182.47) = Impact Fee
Bastian Property: Total Trip Ends (per specified land use) x Applicable
Adjustment Factors x Cost Per Trip End ($363.82) = Impact Fee
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NEXT STEPS
Outcome = Results in a slightly reduced
fee from 2023 Study and lower fee than
City in General
Hold public hearing
Adopt, Modify, Reject Impact Fees
90 Day Wait Period
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Agenda
CITY OF SOUTH JORDAN
CITY COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 01, 2024 at 6:30 p.m.
Notice is hereby given that the South Jordan City Council will hold a meeting at 6:30 p.m. on Tuesday,
October 1, 2024. The meeting will be conducted in person in the City Council Chambers, located at 1600
W. Towne Center Drive, South Jordan, Utah, and virtually via Zoom phone and video conferencing.
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the meeting. The agenda may be amended, and an executive session may be held at the end of the meeting.
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Regular Meeting Agenda: 6:30 p.m.
A. Welcome, Roll Call, and Introduction: By Mayor, Dawn R. Ramsey
B. Invocation: By Council Member, Kathie Johnson
C. Pledge of Allegiance: Communications Manager, Rachael Van Cleave
D. Minute Approval:
D.1. September 17, 2024 Combined City Council & Planning Commission Meeting
D.2. September 17, 2024 City Council Meeting
E. Mayor and Council Reports: 6:35 p.m.
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F. Public Comment: 6:50 p.m.
This is the time and place on the agenda for any person who wishes to comment. Any person or
group wishing to comment on any item not otherwise scheduled for public hearing on the agenda
may address the City Council at this point by stepping to the microphone, and giving their name
and address for the record. Note, to participate in public comment you must attend City Council
Meeting in-person. Comments should be limited to not more than three (3) minutes, unless
additional time is authorized by the Chair. Groups wishing to comment will be asked to appoint a
spokesperson. Items brought forward to the attention of the City Council will be turned over to
staff to provide a response outside of the City Council Meeting. Time taken on non-agenda items,
interrupts the process of the noticed agenda.
G. Public Hearing Item: 7:00 p.m.
G.1. Ordinance 2024-21, Adopting an amended and updated Impact Fee for Transportation
within the "Last Hold Out" properties; establishing certain policies related to Impact Fees
for Transportation Facilities; establishing Service Area; and/or other related matters.
RCV (By Director of Strategy & Budget, Don Tingey & LRB Vice President, Fred
Philpot)
H. Staff Reports and Calendaring Items: 7:30 p.m.
ADJOURNMENT
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also posted on the Utah State Public Notice Website http://www.utah.gov/pmn/index.html and on South
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