City Council Regular Meeting
Regular MeetingStar, ID · February 20, 2007
Minutes
City Council
Meeting Minutes
February 20, 2007
The regular meeting of the Star City Council was held on February 20, 2007 at the Star
Fire Station at 7:00 pm. Mayor Nathan Mitchell called the meeting to order and all stood
for the Pledge of Allegiance.
Roll Call: Council persons Tammy McDaniel, Dustin Christopherson, Tom Erlebach
and Chad Bell were all present.
Approval of Agenda: McDaniel moved to approve the Agenda, Christopherson
seconded the motion. All aye: motion carried.
Consent Agenda: The Consent Agenda consisted of Approval of February 6, 2007
Regular Meeting Minutes; Orion Park Subdivision Extension of Time, and Landscape
Innovations Annual Maintenance Renewal. Christopherson moved to approve the
Consent Agenda, McDaniel seconded the motion. All aye: motion carried.
Public Input:
Law Enforcement Report - Sergeant Ramage introduced the City of Star officers -
Deputy Tammy Kennedy, Deputy Zack Walls and Deputy Adam Babbitt. Sergeant
Ramage reviewed the monthly report.
Public – No one from the public chose to speak.
Public Hearing:
Mac Land Comprehensive Plan Map Amendment, Annexation & Zoning. The Mayor
reviewed the public hearing rules, opened the public hearing and ask the applicant to
speak.
Becky McKay, Engineering Solutions, 1029 N. Rozario, Meridian, stated that she is
representing Mac Land who requests an R4 zoning designation and a Comprehensive
Plan Map modification. The name of the subdivision will be Alamo Creek. A
development plan has been submitted, along with a landscape and traffic study. There
are approximately 142 acres and of that 70.91% is designated as medium density with
20% or 40 acres designated as low density on the Comp Plan. The reason for
modification request is that they are proposing a density of 435 instead of the 473 they
could have. The average lot size is 9,100 sq. feet with the smallest at 3,841 found in the
attached home section. McKay showed the Council pictures of the attached homes.
They include shared driveways and garages are attached. They will look like standard
single family dwellings. Patio homes are in demand now and are going for up to
$300,000. McKay is trying for a mix of 25-35% in home types. There is a collector road
coming in off of Pollard. There will be a pool, pool house and gazebo. There will be
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micro paths that feed into the pool area. They do have larger lots to the outside of the
development. They have had two neighborhood meetings. Property owners requested
stub streets and they have been provided. The property is contiguous to the Castillo
property. There will be 18 ½ acres of open space. North, east and south of the property
the density is medium, with some mixed use to the south. The low density is north,
northwest and southeast. Overall density is 3.13 dwelling units per acre. Services will be
coming up Plummer Road where Star Sewer and Water want main lines to up Pollard.
This is a multi-phased project which has flood plain and flood way considerations next to
Pollard. The improvements for Pollard will be on the east side.
Erlebach asked about the flood way. McKay stated that the flood plain bubbles out
around Pollard, but the flood way follows Pollard.
Christopherson asked where the low density was. McKay showed the location of the low
density. Christopherson asked about the lot sizes to the north west of the subdivision.
McKay stated that they are half acre to one acre lots.
Erlebach asked if the developer is planning on grassing the hillside. McKay stated that it
will be graded and manicured.
Christopherson asked about the neighborhood meeting and how it went. McKay stated
that there were transportation concerns, a stub street request to the west and there are
animals llamas, cattle that they are looking at different fencing options to keep neighbors
animals in. They have come up with a couple ideas on fences, but are still exploring
options. Christopherson stated that the developer is requesting a zoning of R4 and asked
why it couldn’t be R3. McKay stated that there is a certain threshold to make
development financially feasible.
The Mayor asked if the lot behind the Ballards is a common lot. McKay stated that it
was.
McKay discussed options with roadways and Ballards are not affected by this
application. There will be detached sidewalk along all roadways.
McDaniel asked how many affected land owners attended the meeting. McKay stated
that there were ten to twelve at the first meeting and about eight at the second. Mrs.
Johnson is working on another neighborhood meeting.
Bell stated that they are requesting an R-4 designation, but the land around it is all R-3 -
not R-4 and also includes low density. Bell wants to know how McKay believes this will
fit in the Comp Plan. McKay stated that if you have all R-3 zoning - you don’t have any
differences. A lot of builders are looking at higher density subdivisions to build in.
Meridian’s economic study says that anything R-3 and lower won’t pay for itself. When
densities are low it’s hard to provide different amenities. The higher density is broken
out in different areas. They would have to eliminate 19 lots to get to an R-3 density.
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McKay stated that Castillo was a standardized subdivision to the south. McKay wanted
some variety and thinks that is what Star needs to look at.
Bell asked McKay if she was aware that there are no minimum lot sizes and that you
could still see the same amount of lots with the same acreage. You can take an R-3 and
R-4 and allows for open space with same numbers of lots. Bell believes that we can
achieve what we need without going for an R-4 designation.
Erlebach believes that larger lots should be part of the variety. Erlebach asked if there is
a club house. McKay stated that there was a swimming pool, pathways, play equipment,
basketball court and many more amenities. Some of the area amenities will depend on
what type of people buy. Erlebach asked how many lots there are. McKay stated there
are 435 lots and so there will be about 2.8 people using the swimming pool.
McDaniel asked if the northwest corner is the low density for which they are requesting a
comp plan map amendment. McKay stated that it was, - total acreage is 40 acres. The
east area is already in the comp plan as medium density. Low density is along the west
and north.
Erlebach is opposed to small lots away from the City, but we will be at Highway 16 soon.
Staff – Mary Taylor, City Planner pointed out that the staff report found that R-4 would
be a reasonable designation with respect to existing development and surrounding area to
provide diverse lot sizes and amenities.
Public – Lori Ballard, 2361 Pollard Lane, stated that she is speaking for husband and
herself – they live on one acre lot and are surrounded by this development. She feels it is
too dense and is concerned about heavy traffic. She believes there needs to be a traffic
light installed. She has submitted two letters from themselves and the Johnsons. She
researched ten subdivisions in Star and they were all given an R-3 zoning. She felt that it
is going against what we have done in the past few months by granting this at R-4. Her
biggest concern is that she has no voice in the process, she didn’t get to vote in the recall
and she would like the Council to hear her.
Ron Wineger, 8998 W. Floating Feather, stated that this is the first time he has seen the
map. He has concerns about density – it is way to much for that area of town. He is not
part of the City and has not been annexed, but is now having these type of decisions
impacting them. The density needs to grow from the city out and this seems to be flying
in the face of that. It doesn’t look like R-4 fits in with that. The infrastructure does not
appear to fit in. He is opposed to project.
Tony O’Neill, 1910 Mountain Vista Lane, stated that he is part of the Comp Plan
Revision Committee. He can’t imagine that this is a good idea. They have outlined the
zoning which says this is not a good idea. Common sense says you have to think about
the impact and trips up and down Floating Feather Road. He stated that at Pollard there
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have been at least three people dug out of the canal. Now you’re adding a thousand cars
and people flying down that road. Common sense has got to prevail.
Mike Sessions, 8866 Floating Feather Road, stated that he does not oppose growth - we
are going to grow. He would like to see us stick to the plan – we will see failure if we
don’t stick to the plan. Thought needs to go into the Hwy 16 expansion – we don’t know
where that will go and this will create a bottleneck. He doesn’t think this is a good idea
and doesn’t support it in any way.
Ed Price, 3560 Verdant, in the Trellis Subdivision, he is looking at the density and he
knows what traffic looks like at Beacon Light. If the golf course ever develops there is
another 191 lots that will be developed – if it ever develops and they are talking about
around 500 homes – unless you have an idea of how you’ll handle traffic – you need to
plan for it. Stand by for a war on the development of golf course. It’s all about the
money – the more lots you put on a piece of dirt. We need to rethink this. He
understands that the Council has restrictions. He should have never left Salmon.
Zelphie Winegar, 8998 W. Floating Feather Road is opposed to the higher density and
higher density around Highway 16 makes her nervous as well.
Applicant – McKay stated that we are talking about the R-3 versus the R-4. The house
difference is 435 to 416 lots. She believes they are providing a quality project and it is
important. Star has the lowest density. Boise is upping their density to R-4 and some
want R-8. McKay doesn’t think eight is appropriate and some are finding it hard to hit R-
4. The 435 is a lower density. She is bringing a quality development and coming up with
ideas to make it more palatable. They are looking at realigning Hwy 16 and looking at
more east west corridors. This subdivision is to be built in phases, maybe 40 to 50 homes
to a phase, with maybe a four to six year to build out. They have done a traffic study and
have shown the improvements that will be required for this area. She believes this is a
good quality project and will benefit this area. The average lot size over 9,000 sq ft. and
7,600 sq feet is the smallest lot size. Everyone is seeing upper end homes are sitting right
now. We’ve got to make sure we create something that everyone can buy and the
community is going to need.
Erlebach stated that ACHD is doing a study that won’t be done until May – what if
ACHD re-aligns, where will the road go? Bruce Mills of ACHD stated they are studying
the alignment now, but have no plans. One might be to extend through cemetery and one
plan might be to go through the Rosti property. As more gets developed the more it shuts
down more roads.
McKay pointed out to the Council that the alignment is through the Welton property.
The way the project is designed it could be realigned.
Erlebach asked if they had thought about tiling the canal. McKay stated that the Corp of
Engineers preferred that it not be tiled as it is the flood way, they want them to work
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around it. Ada County Highway District will require the developer to put in a vertical
curb.
The Mayor asked McKay if they are showing the canal as part of the right of way.
McKay stated that is showing outside the right of way. It is platted as common lot.
Discussion was held on the alignment.
Bell is not convinced of a need to change the Comp Plan, can we continue with
annexation if the Council doesn’t change the map? McKay stated that the applicant is out
of town right now. She would like Council to have a discussion and if owner didn’t sign
the development agreement, then they would not proceed. McKay stated that they have
purchased the entire property. They would probably want to move forward.
McDaniel asked if the property owners would want this all to go to an R-3. McKay
stated that she believed that they would and it would be acceptable. McKay believes the
residents are wanting to see R-3 zoning.
The Mayor closed the public hearing.
Christopherson stated that it does not make sense to approve this as it is. He believes that
if any part needs to change it needs to be changed to lower density. If the golf course
develops – it makes sense to keep this low density. We need a variety of densities – from
apartments to an R2. We have approved a lot of R-3 – this low density makes senses to
leave it as it is. He is not in favor of approving this.
Erlebach agreed, annexation is good, but he doesn’t like the overall plan. He wants more
open space and another swimming pool. He would like to see an R-2 or 2.5 houses per
acre. There is a lot of traffic that we need to be concerned about and he is opposed to the
development.
Bell is opposed to this as we are close to a new Comp Plan Map and he doesn’t feel we
need to change now. To take 40 acres out of low density now and put it into medium
density is not okay, if they want to make this low density that’s fine. He wants bigger
lots closer to other surrounding bigger lots, with more density toward Pollard. It is not
prudent at this time when we are this close to a new Comp Plan map to do this. Bell
would recommend denial and to start over, we’re on the wrong foot with this. He
believes there has been a lot of thought going into the amenities. He is not in favor of R-
4 that far out, unless he had a development agreement with larger lots farther out.
McDaniel agreed with other Council with regard to changing the density on the low
density, but they have put in a variety of lots sizes and are almost at the R-3. She doesn’t
know where we are at with the map. She thinks we have a catch 22. She is in favor of
having the 40 acres go to R-3 with the entire project zoned R-3.
Christopherson proposed a question to the Council – do we still annex the property and
put a designation on it.
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The Mayor asked what the thought process was. Christopherson stated that they would
follow the Comp Plan and zoning designation that is compliant.
Legal Counsel, Paul Fitzer stated that this is a category A annexation where the property
is tied together with annexation and zoning and Comp Plan Map Amendment. They are
asking for an R-4 not an R-3. You can technically do this. The applicant can withdraw
the application. Fitzer stated that it can be tied in with a development agreement and if
they don’t sign it then nothing is annexed.
Christopherson moved to deny the Comp Plan Map amendment request, Erlebach
seconded the motion. Christopherson, Erlebach and Bell all aye; McDaniel – nay:
motion carried.
New Business:
Tacoma Park Subdivision Final Plat – Staff had no further comments. Bell stated that the
only changes were minor lot line adjustments. Bell moved to approve Tacoma Park Final
Plat FP-07-05 with the 14 recommended conditions of approval, Erlebach seconded the
motion. Mitchell asked if ACHD was involved with discussion regarding a bridge over
the canal. McDaniel asked about the statement that says it doesn’t meet the landscape
requirements. The trees every 35’ can be added to the CC&R’s. The Mayor stated that it
is a condition of the approval. Motion – All aye: motion carried.
Fiore Springs Subdivision Final Plat Phase 1 – Staff had no further comments.
Christopherson moved to approve the final plat, phase one for the Fiore Springs
Subdivision, file #FP 07-04 with the stated twelve conditions, Bell seconded the motion.
All aye: motion carried.
Parkstone Subdivision Final Plat Phase 3 – Staff had no further comments. Applicant –
Becky McKay stated that she wanted to inform the Council that this is the third phase and
ACHD has changed from swales to drainage ponds. The ground water in this area has
gone down about two feet further than what was expected.
Erlebach asked if run off will go into ponds and if it would hurt the fish. McKay stated
that it would but there are no fish in those ponds. An aqua swirl will be installed in the
wet ponds. Erlebach moved to approve the final plat, phase three for the Parkstone
Subdivision, file #FP-07-03 with the 13 conditions of approval, McDaniel seconded the
motion. All aye: motion carried.
Collina Vista Subdivision Final Plat Phase 1 – Staff stated that the applicant has
requested to have this tabled until the next meeting in March. Christopherson moved to
table the final plat, phase one Collina Vista Subdivision to the next Council meeting on
March 6, 2007, Bell seconded the motion. All aye: motion carried.
Blake Haven Park Designs – The Mayor stated that there are three different options –
Staff is looking for guidance as we need to move forward.
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Bell moved to go ahead with site plan number one, Erlebach seconded the motion. All
aye: motion carried.
Streetlight Ordinance Interpretation – Question is whether the Council wants to stay with
streetlights placed along highways, collectors and arterials every 100 feet. It was the
consensus of the Council to stay with that requirement. The Council would like to review
the streetlight ordinance again and look at dark sky concepts and down lighting. They
would also like to review the lights that shine upward.
Reports:
Staff – Taylor stated that all the staff have been working on updating maps – very close
with Keller and should have some by next Council meeting.
Council – McDaniel missed an ACCEM meeting
Christopherson attended a Mule Days meeting – it was the kickoff meeting.
Mayor Mitchell stated that there is a retirement party for Reinhard Schuster on Friday the
23, and everyone invited.
Mitchell stated that he attended a meeting on Tuesday night regarding a community
college signature drive that is going on. There is a valley wide group getting signatures.
Local efforts through Governor office. Our Economic Development Committee is very
active in this.
Update on City Hall plans – the Mayor met with Benchmark and they are putting
numbers together. This will be on the agenda for March 20.
Adjournment – Christopherson moved to adjourn the meeting, Bell seconded the
motion. All aye: motion carried. The meeting adjourned at 9:05 pm.
Respectfully submitted: Approved:
________________________ ___________________________
Cathy Ward, City Clerk Nathan Mitchell, Mayor
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Agenda
NOTICE OF STAR
COUNCIL MEETING
February 20, 2007
Star Fire Department
7:00 PM
AMENDED AGENDA
1. CALL TO ORDER (Welcome/Pledge of Allegiance/Roll Call)
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA (Approval of Agenda as it stands/Amend Agenda)
3. CONSENT AGENDA
*All matters listed within the Consent Agenda have been distributed to each member of the Star City Council
for reading and study, they are considered to be routine, and will be enacted by one motion of the Consent
Agenda or placed on the Regular Agenda by request.
A. Approval of February 6, 2007 Regular Meeting Minutes
B. Canyon County East Orion Subdivision Time Extension Request
C. Landscape Innovations Annual Maintenance Renewal
4. PUBLIC INPUT
A. Law Enforcement Report
B. Public Input
5. PUBLIC HEARING
A. Mac Land Comp Plan Map Amendment/Annexation/Zoning
6. NEW BUSINESS
A. Tacoma Park Subdivision Final Plat
B. Fiore Springs Subdivision Final Plat – Phase 1
C. Parkstone Subdivision Final Plat – Phase 3
D. Collina Vista Subdivision Final Plat – Phase 1 – TABLED TO 3/6/07
E. Blake Haven Park Design Decision
F. Streetlight Ordinance Interpretation
7. REPORTS
8. ADJOURNMENT
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