City Council Regular Meeting
Regular MeetingStar, ID · April 4, 2017
Minutes
Star City Council
Meeting Minutes
April 4, 2017
The regular meeting of the Star City Council was held on April 4, 2017 at 7:00 pm at the Star
Elementary School, 700 N. Star Road, Star, Idaho. Mayor Chad Bell called the meeting to order
and all stood for the Pledge of Allegiance.
Roll Call: Councilmen David Hershey, Richard Lockett, Trevor Chadwick and Kevin Nielsen
were all present.
Approval of the Agenda: Councilman Chadwick moved to approve the agenda, seconded by
Lockett. All ayes: motion carried.
Consent Agenda: Chadwick moved to approve the Consent Agenda consisting of: Regular
Meeting Minutes of March 21, 2017, Retreat Notes of February 24 & 25, 2017, Claims Against
the City for March 2017, Starcreek Final Plat, Phase 3 and Liquor Licenses for: Maverik, Sully’s
Pub & Grill and Star Mercantile, Lockett seconded the motion. All ayes: motion carried.
Old/New Business:
S. Crystal Springs Court – Rezone & 2 Development Agreements – Deliberations – The Mayor
explained that they had closed the public hearing two weeks ago and were moving to
deliberations tonight.
Chadwick voiced opposition under the Comp Plan which shows this as a low use area. He has
an issue with traffic. Wildbranch is a local street that feeds into a collector. He felt through
traffic should be discouraged. ACHD classifies local streets as having local traffic of up to 2000
cars. Per ACHD traffic info – apartment unit generates 6.65 traffic cars – 1596 traffic counts per
day – 15 acres of commercial per 1000 square feet of use generates 420 more vehicles – fast food
establishments generate 500 trips per day. The number of residents in the proposed cloverleaf
could be 60 residents generating 600 traffic trips. We can’t guarantee where the traffic will go.
Wildbranch could turn into a collector with that type of traffic. By putting in this one complex
we could be putting 3,000 traffic trips through Wildbranch. He does not believe this is the right
fit at this time. If they can alleviate the traffic at Wildbranch then it may be appropriate to have
development.
Neilsen stated the key word here is assumptions and you can do math all you want but the facts
are provided from ITD and ACHD and both have said the roads are sufficient today. Everybody
is in agreement that the commercial will require more impact. You can’t make assumptions.
When Pristine Meadows was connected to Saddlebrook they were worried about the impact of
traffic and it did happen. We are not traffic engineers and will leave that to the experts. Nielson
ask if TJ Angstman was willing to address the changes in the Development Agreements’s.
TJ Angstman, 9473 Pantian Ct., Boise, addressed the question about specific units, they are
asking for R13 zoning, 194 units would be workable instead of the 240 units originally
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requested, but 196 units would work better as it divides out better per building. In his view this
zoning is a fairly low density development. It provides a better buffer – high density would be
30 units per acres. Larger buildings would have more open space and they are willing to
consider it.
Hershey stated he liked the idea for the lower number of units, reducing to 196 units would be 44
units less. They can’t discuss these items because it’s not legal.
Angstman stated they can build a viable market for this kind of project, the demand is high in
this area. Another point of discussion was parking spaces, and they are willing to do two spaces
per dwelling units – one covered, some may be carports and some may be garages, and one open
parking space. Open space will be open space, drainage swells will not be included in the open
space; they don’t have any problem with doing that. Additional amenities are not a problem. A
walking path around the complex would be a nice amenity, with possibly a connecting path to
the river walk, though part of property is in the flood way and they can’t intrude or build into it.
They will maintain the existing path. There is a way to treat a path to allow wheelchair access.
They would consider if the City wants to make a public access, but some people in the room
don’t want public access. He understands wanting public access, but it’s not always a good thing
when it goes next to people’s property. He noted concerns about the greenbelt in Garden City,
that it has been a problem. A fourth amenity was possibly an amenity at the club house. He
would be interested in possibly a boat launch, but again noted they can’t build a road or ramp in
the flood way. Chris Yorgason, City Attorney, pointed out it would be up to the Army Corp to
determine. Angstman stated they would be willing to work with the City. Angstman suggested a
mixed use court for a couple sports, such as, pickle ball, tennis, and basketball. In regards to
height restriction, he would like taller buildings to allow for more open space, possibly 4 story.
An example are buildings next to the village in Meridian. They will be doing a market study
before they build the apartments regarding sizes, one, two, or three bedroom. He doesn’t have
that data right now.
Chadwick asked what height requirements would be required for a quality product. Angstman
stated the height that would be required would be 45 feet for three story, and four story would be
55 maybe 50 feet. The buildings are wide. The pitch of the roof was discussed.
Other suggestions were they are willing to bond for a traffic signal if it’s for the entire site. They
do want it to be safe. They would be willing to pay for the signal if it was required. We don’t
know what will develop. They are willing to bond for a traffic signal if warranted at 35%, it
would be an asset. People are already complaining about the State Street traffic. Commercial vs
the residential is a much lower need for a signal – any commercial would require a traffic light.
They have agreed to work on traffic mitigation with Heron River and have them be involved in a
traffic study. He noted Heron River residents are using the road now. They would be willing to
work with everyone on the signal. It needs to be determined who will pay for the signal. In his
mind there is no commercial user to pay for the signal. They are willing to participate with a
master plan and need a development agreement. They agree with the pro rata amount, but do not
know the size of the study area. Heron River and Wildbranch cut through; they are okay with a
recommendation for a knuckle to cut through coming from Calhoun Street and they are in
support of it being one way. He wants it to be safe whatever it takes. Angstman agreed they
should not use anything that causes problems for animals in the landscaping. They would
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increase the amount of landscaping as they believe it looks good. He noted he loves landscaping.
He would want to extend the landscaping and bring habitat; not sure about doubling landscaping
but willing to do more than what’s required. Increasing landscaping is not a problem.
Landscape lighting will be provided at two foot candlelight for parking and amenities. What he
found was that candlelight was denoted in a range, and the average is two candle feet. The goal
is dark sky lighting and a well-lit parking lot. A well-lit parking lot and path to homes is safer
and they will maintain that kind of lighting for the residents.
Nielsen stated he had hit the nail on the head as it is about safety and six foot is the standard and
bulbs are designed for that. Angstman noted his planner did not come tonight to address the
lighting. Nielsen pointed out this is in an isolated spot. Angstman stated they had considered
river access; there is an overpass there and they don’t want residents to have access to that. How
do we keep people from congregating there? He would like to address it now.
Nielsen recapped items discussed which included reducing to 196 units, two parking spaces per
unit, walking path around complex and connecting path to river, multi-use ball court, additional
landscaping, a club house, and possible boat launch.
Lockett stated he had a list of questions for Angstman and asked if he had a Notice of
Acceptance of Plans stating the application is complete; Ward stated there was a phone call,
Angstman stated he believed he received a letter. Lockett asked Angstman if he knew why we
have the Unified Development Code – it is there to protect people. He had just brought up the
Village Apartments and Glenwood Apartments and Lockett asked what’s the difference between
theirs and ours is that the apartments don't go through neighborhoods and local roads to get to
collector roads. Lockett doesn't feel it meets our code for 35' height and doesn’t feel it would be
great for that location. Angstman asked Locket what he would like to see it there. Asked if the
code didn't say that high density apartments, multifamily and commercial should go next to roads
and act as a buffer. Angstman ask Locket if there has been any exparte contact to which
Locket stated very little.
Chadwick asked if they were able to get the Army Corp to permit a boat launch would he be
willing to participate. Angstman stated he would. It would be used for floaters.
Nielsen noted open space did not include drainage areas, the amenities included a paved walking
path, although connecting to the river is a legitimate concern, Angstman would give easements.
The flood ways where the abutment is and where Larson’s trees start is a little more than an acre.
He can dig a pond. The river walk path is already there and it is already paved and serviceable.
If the City would like they can take over the paved path. The business center is a go, courts are a
go and did have some listed. To understand it correctly, if we reduce building height it may
reduce amenities. Height restriction to increase to 55' to four story would mean more amenities
and a greater sound barrier. Bonding for traffic signal when warranted and required could be a
condition. Angstman noted commercial could not be developed without a light; he may have to
bond for it now and pay for it all if no other properties develop by then. Generally you bond for
a year bond. Chadwick asked if he could get a multi year bond to which Angstman said yes.
Nielsen noted they will be working on the master plan and Angstman has stated he is willing to
participate. They will work with ACHD to find a solution regarding Wildbranch. No toxic
plants to wildlife will be planted. Angstman is willing to submit a landscape plan and make it
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negotiable with the City. He would agree that all would be landscaped the same. Neilsen asked
if the lot split for the residential and commercial parcels has been completed to which Angstman
stated yes and it has been recorded. The biggest issue is traffic and commercial will cause the
most issues. Nielsen asked Angstman what his thoughts were regarding holding off on the
commercial part. It was zoned previously as C1 and it was approved. Angstman stated he would
like the zoning in place now, to allow him to start marketing for the commercial and hoping to
get feedback. Nielsen stated he has read the current plan and that this kind of project is destined
for this location. It lets the users know that they won’t have this fight and have community
support. It makes sense to get the zoning and he is willing to have a condition that he has to have
a second public hearing if they change zoning. Angstman stated he is willing to wait to get
building permits until after the traffic study is done and will build when they are in compliance.
Angstman noted the billboards have attracted a lot of attention with a lot of input from Heron
River. He would love to have permission for these, but realizes they may not be appropriate for
Star. The City needs to get business in the downtown core and local businesses are going to
want to pay for billboards; maybe it shouldn’t be three but he is planning ahead not being greedy.
Nielsen noted the commercial DA application has to come to them based on law and one area
that he is willing to go with the voice of public is in regards to the billboards. He agrees that
they will bring business to Star, but this is not part of the law and he feels it may be too early for
the signs.
Chadwick stated he felt the signs are not the right feel for Star. Angstman stated he is willing to
withdraw the billboards from the development application and would cross that bridge later.
Nielson asked if zoned C1 would the agriculture uses continue and then discontinue once
residential building starts. Angstman stated they would like to continue to farm the ground
closer to the road until they start developing the commercial. They have a farmer who will
actively farm the good ground and keep the weeds down. Nielsen asked if he agreed to an
additional egress and ingress to the west to which he stated he did agree.
Chadwick verified they were striking the signs (billboards), but will still work on the monument
sign. Angstman stated they could still work on the City’s monument sign.
The Mayor thanked Angstman and asked for any other comments.
Lockett reminded the Council that the 44 corridor is already congested and they have another
applicant coming up that will do the same. ITD does not have any money to remedy this.
Nielsen noted Middleton and Nampa will continue to build and put cars on the road. Nielsen
moved to approve applications RZ-16-02, DA-16-01 and DA-16-02 with amendments negotiated
tonight and including the conditions set forth per staff report. Hershey’s concern is making sure
that if this is approved that it will be conditioned on the traffic study being done. He is not a
traffic engineer so he has to rely on the experts and wants to make sure there is active
engagement between the applicant and the Heron River HOA and they come to an agreement
that is verified with ACHD. Nielsen amended his motion to include specifically the traffic study
is completed and verification of cooperation of both applicant and Heron River come to the table
for discussions and find an ACHD approved resolution to the traffic on Wildbranch, Hershey
seconded the motion.
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Discussion: Lockett stated he is not in favor of approving with conditions and feels it should be
denied period. Conditions can get broken and he doesn't feel it is a wise idea; he has said it in
the past that it is not a good idea to condition. Chadwick and Lockett - nay; Nielsen and Hershey
- aye. The Mayor noted he has received a lot of communication from people in the audience, he
knows their feelings and knows there is a lot of emotion tonight, and he understands their
concerns as he has concerns himself. They had tabled this application from the last meeting to
allow Council time to deliberate and negotiate the development agreements. It affects our lives,
and he has read their comments. He has a responsibility to do things lawfully. This property
owner has a piece of property that has commercial and mixed uses. He is not trying to do
anything out-of-line or out-of-order when we hold public hearings – it is a judicial hearing. We
received letters that say we are judges and juries – that is what we are supposed to do and have
taken the oath to do. We have an applicant who has the right to go through the process and has a
right to ask what he wants; the decisions need to be made based on fact and not fiction. There are
no votes from the people on these applications or referendums. They are called elections –
you’ve elected us to do a job and we are trying to do it right. No matter who you put up here
they have to do the same thing and follow the law. If we didn’t, it could cost the city a lot of
money.
This application does follow the comp plan and the property was reversed back to RT. The
comp plan states this is an allowable use as mixed use and commercial. If you look on the map
and text that’s what it says. He feels that his hands are tied in the sense that we have an
application that does comply with the comp plan and the applicant has agreed to all the
conditions. Mayor Bell voted aye. Motion carried.
Mayor called for a break.
Public Hearing - Rezone with a Development Agreement for Crow's Foot Subdivision (formerly
Clydesdale Subdivision) – The Mayor reviewed the procedure for the public hearing; applicant
will present the application, staff comments, open for public testimony, applicant rebuttal and
then close the public hearing. The Mayor opened the public hearing and asked Council if they
had any conflict of interest or exparte contact, hearing none the Mayor asked the applicant to
speak.
Applicant – Brad Pfannmuller, 18454 N. McLeod Way, Boise, stated Crow's Foot Subdivision is
currently approved and zoned R-2 with private roads, two more ponds and no play amenities.
They are proposing to build the same type of development that's at Avamore and have built a lot
of single family homes. They want the same zoning but with R3 setbacks. This subdivision was
brought to Council previously as Clydesdale and the developer defaulted on the application. The
owner is the McCloud family and they are working with them. It is still in good standing with
the entitlements. The Preliminary Plat shows 89 lots with two exiting lots and 15 acres of open
space. This rezone request is just for the setbacks. The buildable lots with the current zoning is
very small. They are removing two of the ponds and will have public streets, not private streets.
Handouts were shown. They want to add walking paths to be open to the public, a tot lot and
trails. Current setbacks are for R2 zoning and they are requesting R3 setbacks. The front, side,
and rear setbacks are the only changes; the remaining setbacks stay the same. He wants the
different characters for different homes. The two story shrinks it back. They had two smaller
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ponds on the original application and they have eliminated them and made them common lots.
There will be public roads and sidewalks with no gates and they have added a tot lot to the
overall plan. The Fire Department wants safety stations around the ponds – there are five
different locations along with additional walking paths. They are creating additional amenities.
Chadwick liked going to public roads with sidewalks from the private with no sidewalks. The
sidewalks would be five foot and he asked if the mailboxes will be located in sidewalks.
Pfannmuller stated the US postal service requires mailboxes to be clustered and they will not be
on the sidewalks.
Lockett asked if they were planning to build a club house. Pfannmuller stated they were not
planning to. Lockett asked about their proposal for more landscaping and grass and if they are
building the homes. Brad noted Avamore Construction would be doing most of the construction
with some lots being sold to other custom builders.
Chadwick stated he was glad to see them putting in buoy stations. Pfannmuller talked about
putting life rings and a long pole with hook which is twelve feet in length at the life safety
stations; no life jackets due to liability. If you provide life jacket it says you’re going to open it
up to say go jump in the water. They don't want to support that.
Nielsen asked if ACHD recommended the applicant widen the road and put in curb, gutter and
sidewalk. Pfannmuller stated it is in ACHD's plan to widen it in 10 years and they have provided
a pathway instead. They are not widening the road, just putting in the sidewalk. The concern is
there is a middle school going in around the corner. He feels the sidewalk will provide for
safety. Nielsen was shown a picture.
Staff: Staff stated that one additional letter came in from ITD regarding this application.
Lockett thanked applicant for making the roads public.
Public Input:
Bob McLaren, 1520 N. Hornback, Star, asked if they are going to have the same type of white
fencing along the road like is in his subdivision?
Tom Erlebach, 11300 2nd Street, Star, asked if it will have grass around the ponds and will public
be able to walk around it.
Nate Mitchell, 1030 W. Floating Feather Road, Star, thinks the change in roads to public is
excellent, changing ponds for useable amenities and the setback requests are reasonable in lieu of
open space. He encouraged the Council to approve the application.
Applicant rebuttal: Brad Pfannmuller explained the fencing will be three rail vinyl or might be
wrought iron, the fencing adjacent to neighbors will probably be six foot white vinyl, and open
space wrought iron or three rail. Around the ponds they are proposing to have grass and/or
maybe sand cobbles for erosion. The pathway will be open to the public and there will be a
pathway around the lake.
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Mark Englewood, 10210 Purple Ash, Star, asked about the fencing along Rockbridge to the
south. Pfannmuller noted when it opens up to common space they are looking at open wrought
iron; he didn't know about the south side.
The Mayor closed the public hearing.
The application is asking for a rezone with a development agreement; zoning request from R2 to
R2DA to modify setbacks and increase amenities.
Lockett made a motion to approve rezoning to R2DA and to grant the Development Agreement
as stated for Crow’s Foot Subdivision, Nielsen seconded the motion. All aye: motion carried.
Reports:
Council: Hershey stated the Activities Committee is going well.
Lockett attended the VRT meeting.
Chadwick's Beautification Committee is doing a walkability study with Jennifer Salmonson.
Kevin stated he is doing well and EDC is happy to loan Jennifer to the Beautification
Committee.
Mayor: Mayor Bell stated the fake turf is in and the real turf will be installed next week. He
invited everyone to the Chamber Easter Egg Hunt on the 15th at Blake Haven Park.
Happy Birthday Mayor.
Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 8:49 pm.
Approved:
Respectfully submitted:
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Charlten Bell, Mayor
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Cathy Ward, City Clerk
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Agenda
NOTICE OF
STAR CITY
COUNCIL MEETING
Star Elementary School
April 4, 2017
7:00 to 9:00 pm
AGENDA
1. CALL TO ORDER (Welcome/Pledge of Allegiance)
2. ROLL CALL
3. APPROVAL OF AGENDA (Approval of Agenda as it stands/Amend Agenda)
4. CONSENT AGENDA
*All matters listed within the Consent Agenda have been distributed to each member of the Star City Council for
reading and study, they are considered to be routine, and will be enacted by one motion of the Consent Agenda or
placed on the Regular Agenda by request.
A. Regular Meeting Minutes – March 21, 2017
B. Retreat Notes: February 24 & 25, 2017
C. Claims Against the City for: March 2017
D. Starcreek Subdivision, Final Plat, Phase 3
E. Liquor License for: - Maverik
- Sully’s Pub & Grill
- Star Mercantile
5. OLD/NEW BUSINESS
A. S. Crystal Springs Court - Rezone & 2 Development Agreements - Deliberations
B. Public Hearing – Rezone with a Development Agreement for Crow’s Foot
Subdivision (formerly Clydesdale Subdivision)
C. Request from Citizen regarding property on Can Ada Road
6. REPORTS
7. ADJOURNMENT
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