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Historic Preservation Committee (Meets 4th Wednesday of each month at 5:30 p.m.)

Regular Meeting

Superior, WI · October 12, 2022

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HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF SUPERIOR MEETING MINUTES Wednesday, October 12, 5:30 p.m. The HPC meeting for the city of Superior was called to order at 5:35 p.m. The meeting was held at City Hall in room 270 and by web and phone conference. ROLL CALL Members Present: Kathleen Laakso, Matt Osterlund, Brian Finstad, Tom Wondolkowski Staff Present: Jeff Skrenes Others Present: Megan Meyer, Shelley Nelson Member Absent: Tim Meyer There being a quorum present, the meeting was in order. APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION by Board Member Laakso, seconded by Finstad, to approve the September 14, 2022 minutes, carried unanimously. NEW BUSINESS 1. Nomination of Old Fire Hall & Police Museum to the local register of historic places Jeff Skrenes gave a summary of the process for nominating the Fire Hall to the local register, and asked if museum board or staff would prefer the public hearing to be held after a board meeting to pass a motion in support. Megan Meyer stated that as long as the board and staff is made aware of the public hearing, they can attend and express support at that time. The public hearing will be requested at the earliest allowable time after notice has been given. MOTION to place the Old Fire Hall & Police Museum on the local register of historic places, and to request a public hearing on the matter, made by Board Member Finstad and seconded by Laakso, carried unanimously. OLD BUSINESS 1. Princess Theater – no significant new items to discuss. A task force is being set up with the mayor’s office to help navigate the design, restoration, and historic preservation process, but has not met yet. 2. Carnegie Library – the design work RFP was created and the work was assigned to the Meyer Group. The design has been completed and an RFP for the work will be placed for bids within the week. There are three known local roofing companies that may perform the work, and two do have the ability to begin and at least significantly complete work before spring. The design proposal is for the membrane only, and any supporting work needed for the roof structure. A secondary layer, such as shingles, would exceed the available budget allocated by the Common Council. Board Member Wondolkowski asked about the durability and performance of the roof with only a membrane. Skrenes responded that the concern was raised with the Meyer Group. The membrane itself will be adequate in the short term, and a long-term negative impact on performance or durability is not expected. The time frame for the site is to have it prepared for marketing to a new developer within eighteen months, and the new developer would proceed with their own roof at that time. Further, the roof covering could be adjusted to whatever period the developer wants to restore it to (since there were different roof coverings at the library over the years). The design proposal also noted some water intrusion at various windows and recommended repair, and also recommended a heat source to keep the building at roughly 50 degrees during the winter months. The budget likely does not allow for other restoration or repair work, but we are looking into the heat source. 3. CLG Status – Staff has confirmed with Wisconsin Historical Society staff that our code does not in fact contain what was thought of as the likely most difficult aspect of policy change to achieve CLG eligibility. It was thought that code gave property owners the ability to prevent designation of their own property if they chose, which CLG status does not allow. However, this is not in Superior city code. Most of the changes needed lie with converting the Historic Preservation Committee to a Commission, and staff would have to work with the mayor’s and city attorney’s offices on that issue. WHS staff is busy with the state preservation conference, but will be able to discuss a strategy after this week. Skrenes anticipates that a specific motion will be ready to make at the November HPC meeting and then the issue can be brought before the Common Council in 2022, one of the HPC’s goals for this year. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 5:55 p.m. Minutes prepared by Jeff Skrenes

Agenda

HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY OF SUPERIOR MEETING MINUTES Wednesday, September 14, 2022, 5:30 p.m. The HPC meeting for the city of Superior was called to order by Tim Meyer at 5:30 p.m. The meeting was held at City Hall in room 270 and by web and phone conference. ROLL CALL Members Present: Kathleen Laakso, Tim Meyer, Matt Osterlund, Brian Finstad Staff Present: Jeff Skrenes Others Present: Garner Moffat, Robert-Jan Quene There being a quorum present, the meeting was in order. APPROVAL OF MINUTES MOTION by Board Member Laakso, seconded by Osterlund, to approve the August 10, 2022 minutes, carried unanimously. NEW BUSINESS None OLD BUSINESS 1. Princess Theater Jeff Skrenes updated the committee on recent developments. Several tours have taken place with committee members, local media, and others with a knowledge of the site and historic structures. Many significant architectural and historic features have been discovered either intact or with enough clues to help put together a picture of what the theater was and could be. There are also three rooms in the theater portion of the site that have not yet been accessed. One basement area below the back stage, one second floor area above that, and what is believed to be the projection booth. Residents have already reached out after the Superior Telegram article about recent discoveries, and staff expects to either retrieve or at least document several intact items from the interior of the site. Asbestos testing has come back and there are portions of the site that contain asbestos. This is not surprising given the age of the building and the age of certain aspects of remodeling. The City has requested bids on abatement. We will want to move carefully with whoever does the work. Obviously there are portions of the theater that must be preserved if possible, and properly documented prior to any necessary demolition or removal of items. But since prior remodeling has led to some interior features being relocated throughout the site, it’s not a clear cut decision of one area can be treated like any other abatement job while the rest of the site is historic. A consultant or design team may be necessary, and staff has reached out to the Wisconsin Historical Society in that regard. Other members had updates as well. Kathy Laakso and Teddie Meronek have found old newspaper articles describing the interior. Matt Osterlund has reached out to plaster workers in Milwaukee who specialize in historic recreations of plaster molds. Brian Finstad has met with a granddaughter of an owner, who has a seating chart of the theater. Finstad also recommended removing the façade facing Tower as an early part of restoration. That will reveal what original exterior features remain intact, and spur more community support. 2. Carnegie Library The City has closed on the transaction. A bid for design work of the roof has been placed and accepted by Meyer Group Architecture. Once a design is complete, an RFP will be issued to put a membrane on the roof. Staff consulted with Meyer Group about whether a membrane itself would be sufficient for potentially a long period of time. This was to keep costs down by avoiding placing shingles or other material on the roof, and also to allow a new developer to add that detail in the manner consistent with the time frame most appropriate for that party’s historic restoration. The concern staff had was whether that membrane alone would deteriorate over time faster than a membrane and additional coverings. That is not expected to be the case. We are also exploring adding an internal heat source over the winter, as even keeping the temperature at 50 degrees would mitigate effects of freezing and thawing. The committee pointed out that other areas of the roof structure may need patching. And there are sandstone gaps in the window sills that will need to be patched by stone specialists. Garner Moffat is working on an application to the National Register. 3. Historic Designation of the Meteor, Fairlawn, and Old Fire Hall Museums The Superior Public Museums board had city staff lead a discussion at their most recent board meeting, regarding the designation of these sites. The board was receptive of these designations and passed a motion in support. That motion also called for the nomination of the fire hall prior to the end of 2022. Staff expects to have that ready by the October 2022 HPC meeting. 4. CLG Status Staff has gone through the recommendations from the Wisconsin Historical Society for necessary and advised changed to city code. A long-standing stated concern was that CLG cities must allow the designation of properties, objects, sites, or districts even if the property owner objects. However, per code, the nomination process powers seem to lie almost exclusively with the HPC, with final decisions and appeals reviewed by the Common Council. Property owners may request the removal of a property from the local register if the designation hinders the sale. But the most potentially contentious aspect does not seem to exist, at least in the way staff and HPC members had thought. Staff has asked WHS for clarification on this matter. There are still other parts of code that will need to be changed, such as designating the HPC as a commission and not a committee. Some of those aspects may need review by the City Attorney. The WHS may be able to help with costs associated with legal reviews. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 6:08 p.m. Minutes prepared by Jeff Skrenes

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