Board of Commissioners
Regular MeetingSwansboro, NC · February 14, 2022
Minutes
Town of Swansboro
Board of Commissioners
February 14, 2022, Regular Meeting
In attendance: Mayor John Davis, Mayor Pro Tem Frank Tursi, Commissioner Pat
Turner, Commissioner Harry PJ Pugliese, Commissioner Larry Philpott, and
Commissioner Jeffrey Conaway. It was noted that Mayor Pro Tem Tursi participated
remotely as allowed by NCGS 166A-19. Governor Cooper had declared a state of
emergency due to the COVID-19 Pandemic in March 2020.
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Call to Order/Opening Prayer/Pledge of Allegiance
The meeting was called to order at 5:30 pm. Mayor Davis led the Pledge of Allegiance.
Public Comment
Junior Freeman of 108 Ridge Cove Lane commented on the proposed Historic Demo fee
on the agenda and reminded them that permitting fees must directly relate to
permitting per new legislation. He further pointed out that the Future Agenda items
did not reflect the Emergency Operations Center and budget workshops.
Terry Wilson of 601 Spoleto Court in the Charleston Park Subdivision congratulated the
elected and re-elected board members and urged the Board to consider some type of
resolution for the neighborhood’s streets and stormwater issues.
Adoption of Agenda
On a motion by Commissioner Turner, seconded by Commissioner Philpott, the
Agenda and Consent Item were unanimously approved.
- Tax Refunds
Howard, Joshua Franklin $62.34 Military
Kaster, Jessica Merrill $158.90 Military
Torbush, Fred Gene $23.31 Tag Surrender
Business Non-Consent
Discussion on Schedule of Fees Amendment Related to Demolition in the Historic District
The Board of Commissioners reviewed the proposed changes at their January 24, 2022,
regular meeting, and asked that Staff arrange for the Chairs of the Historic Commission
to attend the February meeting to further discuss the demolition fee proposed.
Planner Ansell reviewed that after further review and clarification, it was the intention
of the Historic Preservation Commission for the fee to be a penalty not a permit fee.
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Vice Chair of the Historic Preservation Commission, Kim Kingrey shared that the board
created the fee as a penalty because there was no ordinance in place to deter
homeowners from demolishing.
In response to inquiries from the Board, Attorney Parson clarified that the fee couldn’t
be punitive, must be reasonable and would have to go into permitting funds to be used
to cover expenses in connection with the penalty. Additionally, there could be an
established permit fee for demolition, but it would have to be reasonably related to the
cost of permits and inspections.
Planner Ansell clarified that permits associated with demolition in the Historic District
were covered under the COA application of $400, then by the permitting fee of $100 for
demolition in the fee schedule.
On a motion by Commissioner Turner, seconded by Commissioner Philpott, the
recommended amendment to the schedule of fees to add an after-the-fact $2,000 penalty
for demolition in the Historic District, was approved unanimously.
Update on Items Discussed at September 2021 Joint Meeting
The Board of Commissioners has asked staff to provide an update on where the Historic
Preservation Commission stands on the items discussed at the September 21, 2021, joint
meeting.
Planner Ansell shared that Mrs. Kingrey had been appointed to attend the Historic
Associations meeting to establish a better partnership with them. Each meeting the
Board will tackle up to two items a month. The Board decided at the last meeting to
create a survey that would be sent town wide related to the historic district.
In response to inquiries from the Board, Mrs. Kingrey felt the board would make
progress just fine, but her main concern in the district was that there was no policing of
the district.
Manager Webb shared that policing of the district was Mrs. Ansell’s responsibility in
conjunction with the Permit Technician and building inspector to gather enforcement
items. Additionally, she confirmed that there would be a position proposed during the
budget process for a Planner Tech, which would include the duty of enforcement.
Planner Ansell shared those concerns related to tarps still on buildings from Hurricane
Florence, and properties in bad repair could be addressed through the Town Code
section that deals with nuisance situations and building safety. Vacant properties
downtown was in the Coastal A zone of VE zone and repairs to those would be
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substantial improvements and would fall under the 50% rule which would include
elevation requirements be met.
Visitor's Center Improvements
Manager Webb reviewed that in 2019, it was decided that the Town would make
improvements to the Visitor’s Center after the Chamber of Commerce moved out of the
building. Improvements would include drafting a plan that offered suggestions from
downtown merchants and boaters on specific amenities to include an additional
restroom, showers, and a washer/dryer.
Attention was made to FEMA regulations that consider substantial improvement to be
when any combination of work exceeds 50% of the market value of a structure. If the
work exceeds 50% of the value, the entire structure must be brought into compliance
with the current flood ordinance regulations. The Towns private appraisal gave a value
of $57,000, while the Onslow County Tax Office provided a building value of $10,850
(2021). What that meant was that the Town would have to phase the improvements
(roughly $28,000 per year). More importantly staff was not confident what
improvements could be done per phase with only $28,000.
In addition, staff learned from John Wood, of the NC State Historic Preservation Office
that the structure lost its contributing status when it was moved from its original
location, raised (due to FEMA regulations), and a handicap ramp added (required for
ADA Compliance). One of the only exemptions to the substantial improvement rule
was alteration to a historic structure (contributing). Without other significant
architectural changes (such as moving the side entry steps to the front of the building
for example) it seems unlikely that anything could be done to regain the contributing
status because we were required to adhere to flood zone elevations and ADA
compliance regulations. Mr. Wood did indicate that he would need to make a site visit
to better determine what steps the Town could take to regain the contributing status.
The Town was awarded $20,000 from the Onslow County TDA that must be spent by
June 30, 2022. Manager Webb confirmed that the Town could utilize the $20K County
TDA funds to pay an engineer to develop such plan as described in Option 2 below.
Option 1. Continue with the phased approach, which could take 3-4 years to complete
due to the 50% rule.
Option 2. Raise the building to meet the current Coastal A Zone requirements (treated
like the VE zone; foundation would have to be breakaway, and all equipment like air
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handlers, electrical components must be elevated) then the 50% rule would no longer
apply, and we can make the improvements all at one time in lieu of a phased project.
This option would need Historic Preservation Commission review and approval.
The Board felt that bringing the facility back to its original intent (restrooms) was
important and should be the first step then make the necessary steps to regain the
contributing status, then focus on raising the structure.
Amelia Dees-Killette, of the Swansboro Historical Association, shared that the need to
rank the importance of what to do was not necessary and believed that all options could
be accomplished, and everyone involved could be happy.
On a motion by Commissioner Philpott, seconded by Commissioner Pugliese, and
approved unanimously, the proposed goals related to the Visitors Center were to be
presented to John Wood to obtain his guidance on how to accomplish those goals.
Future Agenda Items
Future agenda items were shared for visibility and comment. In addition, an
opportunity was provided for the Board to introduce items of interest and subsequent
direction for placement on future agendas.
Mrs. Fender shared with the Board that the Resilient Coastal Communities Program
was holding a drop-in style public input meeting on February 23rd. The purpose of the
meeting was to gain feedback on proposed options to improve the Towns resiliency to
coal hazards.
The following items were addressed:
- Considerations for the Advisory Board Appreciation Reception to be held in
person was approved and would be planned accordingly.
- Mayor Davis requested the addition of recognition for a recent student who
placed 2nd at the state level. Per the Boards policy on recognitions, those were
conducted for the achievement of state championship only.
- A closed session for review of legal matters was requested to be scheduled for a
future meeting.
Public Comments
Junior Freeman of 108 Ridge Cove Lane encouraged the board to keep in mind while
going through the upcoming budgeting process, that permitting fees have specific
treatment requirements. He also commented on the Demo by neglect issue and as he
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recalled the town did not have any recourse to get those structures back in repair and
wanted to see something come in form of an ordinance. Regarding the $2,000 penalty,
he felt a fine for violating the ordinance would be better. Additionally, he commented
that the Visitor’s Center main purpose was for a restroom facility and not for a Visitors
Center, and the building was adaptable as it stands now for plumbing changes.
Revaluations from the county forthcoming on properties could result in an increase in
the structures value.
Manager’s Report/Comments
In addition to the report provided in the agenda packet, Manager Webb brought
attention to her memo pertaining to funds received from the state for EOC and
Sidewalks. A scope of work was requested which could be provided for sidewalks, but
the EOC scope of work had not be determined to date. She believed that they assumed
the project was shovel ready, however the decision on location and the building
specifics were still needing to be determined and finalized. Mrs. Webb shared that the
main cost was dependent on where the structure would be located. She shared that
ONWASA would be abandoning one of their pump sites in the future, and
consideration could be made to relocate Public Works to the pump site and the EOC be
erected on the Public Works property.
After discussion it was decided that the project scope of work determination would be
held during their March 2, 2022, Planning Retreat.
Board Comments
Mayor Pro Tem Tursi shared that he was hopeful there would be a good turnout for the
upcoming RCCP Community input meeting on February 23rd. Additionally, he shared
that he was selected by the Federal Government to be on a task force formed by the
Bureau of Offshore Energy Management for the sighting of offshore wind development.
There could be opportunities in the future for Swansboro and he would report back to
the board after his meetings.
Adjournment
On a motion by Commissioner Philpott, seconded by Commissioner Conaway, the
meeting adjourned at 7:29 pm.
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Regular Meeting
February 14, 2022
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1. Please turn cell phones to “off” or “vibrate”.
2. The Board offers the public three opportunities to speak during the
meeting:
A comment period is offered at the beginning and end of the meeting.
Please note that a separate opportunity is provided for those items
requiring a public hearing.
Public Hearing(s) – There are no public hearing scheduled for this
meeting.
3. Under the ZOOM Meeting Platform, individuals wishing to make comments
should “raise their hand” from their computer. At the appropriate time,
Major Davis will acknowledge those with comments.
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PUBLIC COMMENT
Citizen opportunity to address the Board for items
listed on the agenda.
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AGENDA AND CONSENT ITEMS
Action Needed: Motion to Adopt the Agenda as
prepared (or amended) and approval of the Consent
Items
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NEW BUSINESS/NON-CONSENT
Text Amendment/Town Code Chapter 74 Traffic Schedules Schedule V. One-Way Streets
At the February 22, 2021, Regular Meeting the Board unanimously adopted the Downtown
Traffic Analysis for changes to be made effective after the tourist season concluded. The
Town Code Chapter 74 Traffic Schedules Schedule V. One-Way Streets needs to be updated
to reflect these changes and address other wording for conciseness.
Recommended Action: Motion to approve Ordinance 2022-O2.
Presenter: Alissa Fender, Town Clerk
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NEW BUSINESS/NON-CONSENT
Discussion on Schedule of Fees Amendment Related to Demolition in
the Historic District
The Board of Commissioners reviewed the proposed changes at their
January 24, 2022, regular meeting, and asked that Staff arrange for
the Chairs of the Historic Commission to attend the February
meeting to further discuss the demolition fee proposed.
Recommended Action: Amend the Schedule of Fees as
proposed
Presenter: Jennifer Ansell – Planner
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NEW BUSINESS/NON-CONSENT
Update on Items Discussed at September 2021 Joint Meeting
The Board of Commissioners has asked staff to provide an update on
where the Historic Preservation Commission stands on the items
discussed at the September 21, 2021, joint meeting.
Presenter: Jennifer Ansell – Planner
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NEW BUSINESS/NON-CONSENT
Visitor's Center Improvements
Staff seeks guidance on how to proceed with Visitor’s Center
Improvements.
Recommended Action: Provide guidance on how to
proceed with the project
Presenter: Paula Webb – Town Manager
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NEW BUSINESS/NON-CONSENT
Future Agenda Items
The purpose of this memo is to provide the Board with matters that staff
anticipates/proposes for upcoming meetings. It should be noted that these
items are tentatively scheduled for the specified monthly agenda but are
subject to change due to preparation of materials, public notice requirements,
etc. In providing this memo each month, we hope it will also provide
opportunity for the Board to introduce items of interest and subsequent
direction for placement on future agendas, which will allow staff the
opportunity to plan accordingly.
Action Needed: Discussion and guidance to staff on future agenda items.
Presenter: Alissa Fender – Town Clerk
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PUBLIC COMMENT
Citizen opportunity to address the Board.
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MANAGER’S COMMENTS
Paula Webb, Town Manager
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BOARD COMMENTS
Mayor John Davis
Mayor Pro Tem Frank Tursi
Commissioner Pat Turner
Commissioner Harry “PJ” Pugliese
Commissioner Larry Philpott
Commissioner Jeffrey Conaway
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ADJOURN
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