Historic Preservation Commission
Regular MeetingSwansboro, NC · September 19, 2023
Minutes
TOWN OF SWANSBORO
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING AGENDA
September 19, 2023
Call to Order
The meeting of Swansboro Historic Preservation Commission was called to order at 5:30 PM.
Those in attendance were Jonathan McDaniel, Kim Kingrey, Elaine Justice, and ALT members
Gregg Casper and Eric Young. Christina Ramsey and Edward Binanay were not present.
Business
The board made a motion to approve the agenda, all were in favor.
The board read the opening statement aloud:
“Swansboro Historic Preservation Commission Opening Statement: Quasi-Judicial Decisions
are based on competent, substantial, material evidence properly in the record. All that wish to
speak must be sworn in at the beginning of the meeting. If your testimony meets these standards,
then sign up and please be sworn in to speak.
Certificate of Appropriateness requests must be in keeping with the special character of the
historic district and decisions must be based on the review criteria, contained in §152.482 of the
Town Unified Development Ordinance.”
Review of Minor Work Approvals
Projects Coordinator Brehmer reviewed the following approved items.
- 209 S Water Stret: Addition of operable white wooden shutters, replacement of windows to
double hung wood windows and paint to match home.
- 108 S Walnut Street: Replaced current vinyl windows with exterior medallion vinyl
windows and replaced current vinyl siding with new replacement hardy plank siding in the
same white color.
Review of Staff Approvals
Projects Coordinator Brehmer reviewed the following approved items.
- 101 S Walnut Street: Repaired/replacement of rotten deck boards with no change in design.
- 101 S Church Street: Removed of old “Port of Swansboro” sign, installed new Giovanni’s
Brooklyn Bagels business sign, and cleaned up the landscape in front of building by removal
of shrubs, trimming trees, and put sod down.
- 204 S Walnut Street: Exterior replaced rotten wood siding same as existing and replaced
existing fence with white picket fence 4ft along the side of the property and 6ft along the rear
of the property.
- 101 S Church Street: Installed channel letter business sign above doors and vinyl stickers on
windows and doors.
- 106 S Walnut Street: Painted and repaired garage (front sides only) same green color as
house with white trim and same garage doors.
- 137 Front Street: Replaced wooden sign painted white with black letters for “Fish House
Dock”.
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Discussion of “NC Coastal Landscaping” prepared by NC Sea Grant
Projects Coordinator Brehmer introduced Gloria Putnam, Coastal Resources and Communities
Specialist, from NC Sea Grant. The goal was to educate the board and staff on implementing an
appropriate native landscape guide in our ordinance for our Historic District.
Mrs. Putnam provided three brochures to the board.
1. NC Coastal Landscaping Designs
2. Coastal North Carolina Plant This Instead
3. NC Coastal Landscaping
She shared that the NC Sea Grant is an interinstitutional organization with UNC School system
based out of Raleigh. NC Sea Grant did flood research on important coastal and marine related
issues, as well as education and outreach. NC Sea Grant had been working on the coastal
landscaping initiative since 2017. The idea was to promote more sustainable landscaping in
coastal NC. As development grew, it was important for vegetation, pathological and natural
heritage, as well as our cultural heritage to be considered. One of the important components of
sustainable landscaping was native plants and what they provided to us. The plants on the coast
needed to be tough to deal with sun, sandy soil, salt, and occasional flooding. The Coastal
Landscapes Initiative brought together experts to develop the materials. NC did not have many
documents which targeted educational materials for property owners to adopt sustainable
landscaping practices for plants which did well, aesthetically pleasing, provided stormwater
treatment, and multitude of other components. The first document was the brochure with thirty-
four different plants that were available in the trades, NC Coastal Landscaping. The NC Coastal
Landscaping designs were used for people to have simple designs which enabled them to plant
them in their yard to be aesthetically pleasing. Plant This Instead identified invasive plants in
NC. Plants which were identified by the NC Evasive Plant Council, NC Native Plant Society,
and expert teams for plants tended to cause harm to our landscape. The plants were identified to
discourage people from using them.
In response to inquiries from the board, Mrs. Putnam clarified the following:
- There are other towns with an adopted native plant ordinance. Bald Head Island had an
extensive native plant list and believed Oak Island as well.
- She offered to help prepare the list of native plants to help discourage the planting of non-
native plants. The pamphlets were great and suggested the board use them.
- The pamphlets are a great reference, and we had an extensive group of Coastal Landscapes
Initiative partners and conservation horticulturalists who knew more about what would do
well under certain situations. The board needed to identify what the goals were and develop
the plan to be exclusive for the Historic District.
- She responded we had a list of nurseries who carried the plants in the pamphlets for Eastern
North Carolina and we would be happy to share the list with the staff. We needed to see
more native plants within the nursery trade. This provided a challenge for planting native
plants. A small grant had been placed to help get more native plants in the trade.
- She referred to a question from the board about palm trees and if there was a list of
vegetation not native in this area, the list in Plant This Instead was vetted widely with our
extension staff and partners which showed what is not appropriate. The plants which were
evasive are not recommended. The evasive plants would displace native plants.
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A motion by Mrs. Justice, seconded by Ms. Casper, with unanimous approval, the staff was
directed to draft a text amendment for landscape standards.
Certificate of Appropriateness/204 S Walnut Street
The following individuals were sworn in and/or addressed the board.
Rebecca Brehmer
Brad Phillips
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer presented with the owner’s request for exterior
alternations. The home, also known as the Abram Bell House, was zoned R6SF and was a
contributing structure to the Historic District. The new owners have applied for exterior
alterations that included a 6’ x 6’ addition to the house for a bathroom that would be off the rear
west side of the home on a portion of the existing deck. The roof and siding used would be the
same found on the rest of the house. Additionally, they had applied for a 12’ x 12’ screened
porch framed with pressure treated lumber and painted white. It would also be built on the rear
deck of the home with matching roof line and metal roof material. Both requests seemed to be
compliant with Section 12: Additions to Contributing Buildings. Mr. Phillips was there for any
questions.
Public Hearing was opened at 5:52 pm.
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer further stated Mr. Phillips was present for questions.
In response to the board’s inquiry, Mr. Phillips stated that the bathroom would be placed over the
cinder block portion of the house and not the historic portion of the house. The addition would
not be visible from S. Walnut Street and placed on top of the existing deck. The deck was an
“L” shape.
Public hearing was closed at 5:55 pm
On a motion made by Mrs. Justice, seconded by Ms. Casper, the COA 2023-07 was unanimously
approved based on the criteria from the UDO Section 12: Additions to Contributing Buildings.
Public Comments
Mr. Doug Rogers of 406 Elm St discussed his interest in plants, trees, and native species while
he had owned property for 23 years. There had been about 10 live oaks planted over the years.
In the past there have been quite a few trees which were taken out by the storms and would like
to help formally with the planting of live oak trees.
In response to inquiries from the board, Mr. Rogers clarified the following:
- He always requested residents to contact 811 and he confirmed the trees were being
planted on the owner’s property. Another consideration that was used was the view to be
respectful of others.
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- He had planted a live oak about 12 years ago and it was 30 feet tall and 25 feet wide.
They would have a sizable impact.
- The nursery he used was in Burgaw. He would pick up the live oaks and helped plant
them.
Planner Correll shared that the Tideland News could be asked to incorporate an article in the
paper to educate the public on the importance of planting live oaks.
Chairman/Board Thoughts/Staff Comments
During Board Comments, Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer and Planner Correll replied to
the board inquiries:
- The Rocket Fizz sign for the Historic District was presented with a rendering of what the
sign was going to look like. The ordinance did not have anything specific, and it did not
recommend historical material. Mostly staff looked at size and the specifics stated in the
ordinance. The specific sign was made of plastic, metal and not a lighted sign. Planner
Correll stated Rocket Fizz was a franchise. The franchise could be muted, but they could
not be legally required to do away with their franchise design.
- Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer replied to the board’s concerns about the sign
ordinance that the board could ask for the Staff to amend the historic sign ordinance in
compliance with the board’s recommendations. The Town sign ordinance included
height, size, type, and color. The board requested recommendations to discuss the sign
ordinance in the future.
- Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer responded to the board’s inquiry about historic
districts with landmarks with tax deductions as incentives for having fixed up the house.
There are typically only one or two landmarks in a district which were an exceptional old
house which had mostly original features. She had not heard of 25 designated houses in
one district, and it was something which could be researched with John Wood. The
informal list would be provided to staff and staff would help create a formal list to be
reviewed by the state.
On a motion from Mrs. Justice, seconded by Ms. Casper, with unanimous approval directive was
given to staff to create a draft flow chart to choose and designate properties as Landmarks. The
staff were guided to research Greenville, and other towns.
Projects/Planning Coordinator Brehmer recommended creating a subcommittee for the color
palette revisions for the ordinance to meet twice a month.
On a motion from Mrs. Casper and seconded by Mrs. Justice, with unanimous approval, the
board appointed Mrs. Casper and Mrs. Kingrey to a subcommittee for the color palette revisions.
Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at 6:15 pm.
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Agenda
Historic Preservation Commission Agenda
Town of Swansboro
Tuesday, September 19, 2023
I. Call to Order
II. Business
a. Minor Work and Staff Approval Application Report
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/Planning Coordinator
Approvals Report for Local Historic District
b. Discussion of “NC Coastal Landscaping” prepared by NC Sea Grant
Presenter: Andrea Correll, AICP, Planner
Gloria Putman, Coastal Resources and Communities Specialist, from NC Sea Grant will be here to
present a summary of “NC Coastal Landscaping” and to conclude our review of three landscape
publications previously provided. The goal in this discussion is to educate the board and staff on
implementing an appropriate native landscape guide in our ordinance for our Historic District.
Recommended Action: Recommend for staff to return at a future meeting with a draft Text
Amendment to the UDO for adding Landscaping Standards in Appendix III – Historic District Design
Standards.
c. Certificate of Appropriateness/ 204 S Walnut Street
Presenter: Rebecca Brehmer, Projects/ Planning Coordinator
An application for a Certificate of Appropriateness has been submitted by Brad and Kenna
Phillips for exterior alterations at 204 S Walnut Street.
Recommended Action:
1. Hold a public hearing
2. Motion to approve COA-2023-07 for exterior alterations at 204 S Walnut Street based on the
standards provided.
III. Public Comments
IV. Chairman/Board Thoughts/Staff Comments
V. Adjournment
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