Civil Service Commission
Regular MeetingTumwater, WA · July 14, 2022
Minutes
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CONVENE: 5:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Chair Eric Trimble and Commissioner Simon Tee.
Staff: Secretary/Chief Examiner James Trujillo, Police Chief Jon Weiks, and
Fire Chief Brian Hurley.
CHANGES TO There were no changes to the agenda.
AGENDA:
APPROVAL OF
MINUTES, JUNE 9,
2022:
MOTION: Commissioner Tee moved, seconded by Chair Trimble, to approve the
minutes of June 9, 2022 as published. Motion carried.
JULY STATUS OF Chief Examiner Trujillo reported changes that have occurred since June have
ELIGIBILITY been highlighted on the list. The Fire Lieutenant promotional position has
LISTS: created an active list, as well as the Paramedic Lieutenant position. Other lists
are continuously active.
JUNE Chief Examiner Trujillo referred to a request by the Commission for
ELIGIBILITY information on the number of individuals applying and invited to participate in
LIST: POLICE the examination process and the number of individuals who actually
SERVICES participated in the testing process. The results of the recruitment identified 61
SPECIALIST I individuals applying for the position with only 23 of the applicants passing
CLARIFICATION: Phase 1 of the testing process. Of the 61 applicants, only 19 applicants
participated in the test of the 32 applicants invited to participate. Twenty-three
applicants were scheduled to take the test but only 19 participated. The
information provided to the Commission in June reflected 23 applicants.
However that number is reflective of the number of individuals the City
scheduled to take the test. Updated information can be provided as part of the
record.
Commissioner Tee recommended that since Commission meetings are
recorded, the clarification is contained within the record and should be
sufficient. Chair Trimble supporting the suggestion.
RESULTS AND Chief Examiner Trujillo reported the City conducted both the Firefighter
ELIGIBILITY Lieutenant and the Paramedic Fire Lieutenant testing with both tests occurring
LIST: FIRE concurrently with the Paramedic Lieutenant candidates advancing to the oral
FIGHTER boards following the assessment center testing. All five applicants were male
LIEUTENANT: and four applicants completed Phase 1 and 2 and advanced for placement on
the eligibility list. None of the applicants contested the results other than a
request for information about the assessment center. Staff has been transparent
throughout the process in terms of the information that can be shared. All
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coaching notes are shared with Fire Chief Hurley and Assistant Fire Chief
Crimmins to provide coaching information to the applicants on areas needing
improvement and areas where the applicants performed well.
Commissioner Tee inquired as to the process for selecting a candidate from the
list. Chief Examiner Trujillo explained that the scores reflect a cumulative and
weighted score. The final score is based on each component of the testing.
The exam scores for the three individuals is a combined score from the first
two phases of the overall exam. For the Paramedic Lieutenant list, the third
phase is unique for that particular position. All individuals proposed for
placement on the Firefighter Lieutenant list are all eligible for promotion to the
position should a position become open. At this time, the Tumwater Fire
Department does not have a position open for Firefighter Lieutenant but has an
opening for Firefighter Paramedic Lieutenant.
Chief Examiner Trujillo requested approval of the proposed eligibility list for
Firefighter Lieutenant.
MOTION: Commissioner Tee moved, seconded by Chair Trimble, to approve
Eligibility List for Firefighter Lieutenant as presented. A voice vote
approved the motion.
RESULTS AND Chief Examiner Trujillo reported two applicants are eligible for inclusion on
ELIGIBILITY the list. Both individuals passed all testing phases. Both candidates are
LIST: PARAMEDIC eligible to participate in the final interview.
FIREFIGHTER
LIEUTENANT:
MOTION: Chair Trimble moved, seconded by Commissioner Tee, approve the
Eligibility List for Paramedic Firefighter Lieutenant as presented. A
voice vote approved the motion.
RESULTS AND Chief Examiner Trujillo reported the list is an active continuous list. Of the 11
ELIGIBILITY candidates included on Thurston County Medic One’s Paramedic hiring list,
LIST: PARAMEDIC four submitted their respective written scores from the Thurston County exam
FIREFIGHTER: for consideration for the Tumwater Paramedic Firefighter eligibility list. One
candidate’s name is proposed for removal with nine candidates included on the
proposed Eligibility List for Paramedic Firefighter. The individual removed
from the list was hired by the Tumwater Fire Department. The Fire
Department has one vacant Paramedic Firefighter position.
Fire Chief Hurley said the position would become vacant following the
selection of the Paramedic Firefighter Lieutenant candidate.
MOTION: Chair Trimble moved, seconded by Commissioner Tee, approve the
Eligibility List for Paramedic Firefighter as presented. A voice vote
approved the motion.
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RESULTS AND Chief Examiner Trujillo presented the proposed list for Lateral Police Officer.
ELIGIBILITY The City received one application and proposes the removal of two names
LIST: LATERAL from the existing list. The current list includes three names. Two candidates
POLICE OFFICER: were removed as their time on the list expired.
MOTION: Chair Trimble moved, seconded by Commissioner Tee, to approve the
Eligibility List for Lateral Police Officer as presented. A voice vote
approved the motion.
RESULTS AND Chief Examiner Trujillo reported oral boards were conducted on June 21, 2022
ELIGIBILITY with four of the six candidates interviewed with a passing score of 70% or
LIST: ENTRY higher for Entry Level Police Officer. The proposed list includes those
POLICE: candidates with five names proposed for removal. The proposed list includes
five candidates. The list notes the four names proposed for addition as of July
2022. Individuals removed were either hired or disqualified through the
process.
Commissioner Tee questioned the basis for disqualifying a candidate. Chief
Examiner Trujillo explained that that are different reasons for disqualification
of an individual through the hiring process.
Police Chief Weiks added that two of the candidates were hired by other law
enforcement agencies and voluntarily withdrew their names, one applicant did
not successfully pass the Chief’s interview, and one applicant failed the
background investigation.
Commissioner Tee said his concern surrounds the terminology of
“disqualification” because it appears there were additional tests the candidate
did not pass. Police Chief explained that two of the applicants voluntarily
withdrew their names because they were hired by other agencies. If an
applicant is employed by another agency, staff contacts the applicant and
requests the applicant withdraw their name from the City’s list. Both
applicants voluntarily removed their names. One applicant passed the Chief’s
interview but failed the background investigation and was disqualified for
conduct. The last applicant failed the Chief’s interview. Commissioner Tee
recommended not applying “disqualification” to the two applicants who
withdrew their names because it conveys a negative implication.
Chief Examiner Trujillo offered to revise information moving forward by
annotating those circumstances when an applicant voluntarily withdraws their
name for clarity.
Chair Trimble asked whether the past practice of requesting the applicant
submit a written withdrawal is still practiced by the City. Police Chief Weiks
said the communication is typically through email with the applicant
responding and requesting removal from the list.
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MOTION: Chair Trimble moved, seconded by Commissioner Tee, to approve the
Eligibility List for Entry Level Police Officer as presented. A voice vote
approved the motion.
Chair Trimble inquired about the status of recruiting entry-level police
officers. Chief Examiner Trujillo said the City is experiencing a lack of
candidates for both police officers or for other positions in the City. The
recruitment market has been difficult overall.
Police Chief Weiks affirmed that the candidate pool continues to shrink.
During the last round of testing, only six candidates were eligible to participate
in the oral board with only four passing. The issue is being experienced
statewide and is not specific to Tumwater.
CIVIL SERVICE Chief Examiner Trujillo referred to information on a proposed change to Civil
RULES CHANGE Service Rule 9.09 stating: Approval Of Eligibility Lists. In normal
PROPOSAL – circumstances, the Commission certifies eligibility lists. In addition, the
ELIGIBILITY Commission authorizes the Secretary/Chief Examiner to certify eligibility lists
LIST: in the following circumstances: (a) when business needs require timely action
for recruitment; (b) or in the event that the Commission is unable to meet to
certify eligibility; (c) or for continuous recruitment eligibility lists. A report of
eligibility list certifications made by the Secretary/Chief Examiner shall be
provided to the Commission in the next regular Commission meeting.
The purpose of the proposal is to address some challenges with recruitment
that would authorize the Secretary/Chief Examiner to certify eligibility lists in
certain circumstances when business need requires timely action for
recruitment or in the event the Commission is unable to meet to certify an
eligibility list. Staff continues to seek a candidate for the open Commission
position. However, with only two members, it may not be possible to schedule
a special meeting because of illness or other factors. In today’s tight
recruitment market, timeliness is important and the City is seeking some
flexibility to certify eligibility lists to move forward or alternatively another
option could limit the authorization to only continuous recruitment eligibility
lists. Other jurisdictions have enacted similar authorizations for the chief
examiner to certify eligibility lists to move forward quickly to fill positions.
The Chief Examiner would be required to provide a report to the Commission
of any approvals transacted by the City.
Chair Trimble inquired as to whether legal counsel across the state has
determined the practice is allowable under civil service law. Chief Examiner
Trujillo replied that he was not aware of any rule that would disallow the
practice. However, he offered to follow up prior to action by the Commission.
He said he is also not aware of any laws governing civil service that prevents
the practice. The City has one eligibility list for consideration that was not
included in the packet. He plans to request scheduling a special meeting to
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consider the list.
Chair Trimble said his concerns surround potential liability to the City should
someone contest the action. He cited an example of an employee failing
probation and trying to challenge the City’s process for establishing the list.
Police Chief Weiks noted the proposal includes a requirement for the Chief
Examiner to report the action to the Commission. The timelines associated
with the process, such as the list approved last month includes a viable
candidate the City likely will lose because of the timing associated with
approval of lists. A two- to three-week window is proving to be detrimental
for hiring qualified candidates in today’s tight labor market.
Chair Trimble said he has no issue with respect to increasing hiring efficiency
but does have a concern of creating a situation that could be undone later in the
process if it was deemed not legal.
Commissioner Tee conveyed similar concerns. He asked whether the process
for the Commission approving a list that has been previously approved by the
Chief Examiner would be prior to any hiring action. Police Chief Weiks and
Chief Examiner Trujillo explained that hiring would be unlikely because of the
timing associated with the hiring process.
Chief Examiner Trujillo offered an option of affording authority to the Chief
Examiner to conditionally approve a list pending the next regular Commission
meeting when the Commission would formally approve the list enabling the
City in the interim to move forward with a recruitment process.
Chair Trimble and Commissioner Tee supported the alternative as outlined and
pointed out the importance of ensuring candidates are aware the City is
operating under a conditional approval. Commissioner Tee emphasized the
importance of protecting the integrity of the process and to avoid creating any
loopholes that could be challenged by an applicant. Another minor concern is
implementing the practice in lieu of scheduling special and emergency
meetings, which is how the City has traditionally addressed timing issues.
Chief Examiner Trujillo advised that he would add conditional language and
review the proposal with an attorney familiar with Civil Service Rules for a
follow-up discussion at the next regular meeting.
UPDATES: Chief Examiner Trujillo requested scheduling a special meeting for
recruitment action for the Police Services Specialist II position. The eligibility
list was prepared for consideration but lacked sufficient time to meet public
noticing requirements. The Commission discussed possible meeting dates and
agreed to schedule a special meeting on Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 5:30 p.m.
Later in the meeting Chief Examiner Trujillo advised public noticing
requirements for special meetings require a 24-hour notice.
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Chief Examiner Trujillo reported the City continues to seek candidates to fill
the third position on the Commission.
Fire Chief Hurley updated members on the status of the planning for the
Regional Fire Authority (RFA). The steering committee meets twice a month
to complete the plan for presentation to the City of Olympia and City of
Tumwater for establishing a RFA. The current plan calls for an April 2023
election to form the RFA, which must be voter approved. If approved by
voters, the RFA would be established effective August 1, 2023 to enable the
collection of taxes effective January 1, 2024. Both Councils must approve the
plan for placement on the ballot.
Fire Chief Hurley thanked the Commission for action on the eligibility lists.
Chief Trimble asked whether any fire districts are included in the RFA
proposal. Fire Chief Hurley said the RFA proposal is confined to the two
cities. Initially, other fire districts were invited to join but declined to
participate in the planning process.
Police Chief Weiks reported on the one vacant police officer position. The
department plans to move quickly to schedule interviews. A newly hired
officer is completing the last phase of the Field Training Program and is
performing well with one month of training to complete. The department is
operating at a capacity loss of 10 officers because of sickness, injuries, and
vacations, etc. The department’s front-end position is nearing completion of
the background investigation with positive results. The department plans to
begin interviews for the Service Transport Officer. Of the four candidates, two
candidates withdrew from the process because of job offers from other
agencies. One candidate did not pass the oral board leaving only one
candidate to interview.
NEXT MEETING The next regular meeting was scheduled on Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at
DATE: 5:30 p.m. to accommodate Commissioner Tee’s schedule.
ADJOURNMENT: Commissioner Tee moved, seconded by Chair Trimble, to adjourn the
meeting at 6:15 p.m. Motion carried.
_________________________ ___________________________________
Eric Trimble, Chair James Trujillo, Secretary Chief Examiner
Prepared by Valerie L. Gow, Recording Secretary/President
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Agenda
CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION
MEETING AGENDA
Online via Zoom
Thursday, July 14, 2022
5:30 PM
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Changes to Agenda
4. Approval of Minutes
a. Approval of June 9, 2022 Minutes
5. July Status of Eligibility Lists
6. June Eligibility List: PSSI Clarification
7. Results and Eligibility List: Fire Fighter Lt.
8. Results and Eligibility List: Paramedic Fire Fighter Lt.
9. Results and Eligibility List: Paramedic FF
10. Results and Eligibility List: Lateral Police Officer
11. Results and Eligibility List: Entry Police
12. Civil Service Rules Change Proposal – Eligibility List
13. Updates
14. Next Meeting Date - 08/11/2022
15. Adjourn
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