Civil Service Commission
Regular MeetingTumwater, WA · January 9, 2025
Minutes
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CONVENE: 5:31 p.m.
PRESENT: Chair Simon Tee and Commissioners Blake Chard and Pat Schneider.
Staff: Secretary/Chief Examiner Michelle Sutherland, Fire Chief Brian
Hurley, Police Chief Jon Weiks, and Deputy Fire Chief Shawn
Crimmins.
Chair Tee welcomed three high school students from Black Hills High
School.
CHANGES TO Chief Examiner Sutherland requested the addition of Updates to the
AGENDA: agenda. The agenda was revised to reflect approval of the Civil
Service Commission Meeting Minutes of December 12, 2024.
APPROVAL OF CIVIL The minutes were corrected to change “Commissioner Blake” to reflect
SERVICE “Commissioner Chard” on page 2.
COMMISSION
MEETING MINUTES –
DECEMBER 12, 2024:
MOTION: Commissioner Schneider moved, seconded by Commissioner
Chard, to approve the minutes of December 12, 2024 as amended.
A voice vote approved the motion.
STATUS OF JANUARY Chief Examiner Sutherland reviewed the status of the eligibility lists.
ELIGIBILITY LISTS: Active and continuous lists remain effective. There are no other
changes proposed to the lists.
ENTRY LEVEL Chief Examiner Sutherland advised of the proposed request to add
POLICE eight entry level police officer candidates to the eligibility list with one
ELIGIBILITY: removal from the list because the applicant was hired. Staff is seeking
approval to add eight names to the list for January 2025.
MOTION: Commissioner Chard moved, seconded by Commissioner
Schneider, to approve the Entry Level Police Officer Eligibility
List as presented. A voice vote approved the motion unanimously.
LATERAL Chief Examiner Sutherland reported on the proposed removal of five
PARAMEDIC candidates because the candidates were hired by the Tumwater Fire
FIREFIGHTER Department. Two candidates are proposed for removal because they
ELIGIBILITY: failed the Chief’s interview. No new additions are proposed to the list.
Commissioner Chard expressed appreciation for the number of
candidates the fire department hired.
Commissioner Schneider inquired about efforts to recruit more
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candidates to add to the list. Fire Chief Hurley advised that the
recruitment is a continuous process with some applications pending for
future placement on the list.
MOTION: Commissioner Schneider moved, seconded by Commissioner
Chard, to approve the Lateral Paramedic Firefighter Eligibility
List as presented. A voice vote approved the motion unanimously.
PARAMEDIC Chief Examiner Sutherland reported the request is for approval of the
FIREFIGHTER Paramedic Firefighter Eligibility List. Three existing names on the list
ELIGIBILITY LIST: have expired.
Commissioner Schneider asked whether the department has any
vacancies requiring recruitment.
Fire Chief Hurley said the list is similar to the prior list as it is a
continuous process with applications submitted that have not been
processed. In the next several months, the department will likely
sponsor some oral boards. Successful applicants will be requested for
addition to the list. At this time, all Paramedic Firefighter positions are
filled.
MOTION: Commissioner Chard moved, seconded by Commissioner
Schneider, to approve the Paramedic Firefighter Eligibility List as
presented. A voice vote approved the motion unanimously.
RECLASSIFICATION Chief Examiner Sutherland said the fire department’s Administrative
OF ADMINISTRATIVE Assistant duties have changed to reflect a higher level of support to
ASSISTANT TO executive leadership. Staff is seeking approval to reclassify the
EXECUTIVE position to an Executive Assistant based on workforce planning Human
ASSISTANT: Resources has undertaken over the last year. The Fire Chief also
recommends the reclassification. The reclassification would align the
duties of the job with a proper job classification.
Chair Tee noted that the request was presented at the December
meeting and at the request of the Commission, staff provided job
descriptions for each position. He invited comments or questions on
the proposal.
Fire Chief Hurley said that during his tenure at the department, the
responsibilities of the position have changed. Through workforce
planning and the biennial budget process, the proposal is timely to
adjust the position accordingly. Many of the job responsibilities are of
a confidential nature to include other job tasks. Staff reviewed the
existing job classification specifications within the City to identify the
best match for the increase in responsibilities and determined that the
Executive Assistant classification was appropriate. He acknowledged
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the analysis completed by Commissioner Schneider. Staff considered
much of the same information and documented all responsibilities of
the position. In some respects, the issue is a merging of the two
positions to avoid the situation of creating another new position.
Chief Examiner Sutherland explained that the City has been engaged in
workforce planning that includes a review of all job descriptions for
each position in the City over the next year.
Commissioner Schneider commented that during her review of both
job descriptions, it was difficult to differentiate the differences between
the two positions. She used AI to compare the two descriptions. It
appears that the Administrative Assistant position encumbers more
departmental responsibilities and has a greater span of supervisory
control with higher education requirements than the Executive
Assistant position. She asked whether the proposal would result in a
promotion for the incumbent reflective of an increase in salary, the
amount of the salary change, and the number of positions that would be
affected.
Chief Examiner Sutherland advised that the proposal is for one position
resulting in an increase in two pay bands above the current
Administrative Assistant position equating to approximately a 10%
increase in annual salary. The increase would equate to approximately
$7,000 annually.
Commissioner Schneider said the concern is the possibility of other
Administrative Assistants requesting a promotion to Executive
Assistant. She is concerned about setting a precedent. It is important
to document the justification for the position within the fire department
and the reasons for warranting a reclassification.
Chief Examiner Sutherland advised that Administrative Assistant
positions within the City are specific to each department. The
proposed action only reflects the Administrative Assistant assigned to
the fire department as a Civil Service position, which does not apply to
any other Administrative Assistant position in the City. For
comparison, the police department is assigned a Police Administrative
Manager responsible for all the duties of the Executive Assistant in
addition to confidential duties. The fire department lacks that type of
position. Approval of an Executive Assistant position in the fire
department would ensure alignment of the position with current duties
and responsibilities.
Fire Chief Hurley responded to the analysis conducted by
Commissioner Schneider and explained his interpretation of the
qualifications and educational requirements of each position. Chief
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Examiner Sutherland added that the position descriptions for both
positions are included in the review of all positions in 2025.
Commissioner Schneider encouraged staff to use AI in the analysis as
it pinpoints shortfalls and gaps in current job descriptions. Chief
Examiner Sutherland advised that the City is not allowed to use AI
until the City has developed policies on the use of AI.
Commissioner Schneider continued to express concerns surrounding
the proposal and invited feedback from other members. Commissioner
Chard responded that he did not have any concerns having worked on
job classifications and job descriptions for many years. Language that
speaks to requirements in use today address a minimum requirement
with a preference for a degree affording the hiring authority the ability
to consider the person’s experience and knowledge and who might be a
better candidate than a candidate who just received a degree but has no
working experience.
Chair Tee asked about the availability of any criteria that defines the
difference between the two positions in terms of complexity of duties
or importance of decision-making responsibilities. Chief Examiner
Sutherland affirmed that criteria exist.
Fire Chief Hurley noted that Chief Examiner Sutherland developed the
rationale and cited strategic support, confidentiality, and a higher level
of support. She developed a list that captures the justification and
additional responsibilities of the position. For example, the
Administrative Assistant has not been historically involved in labor
negotiations. Based on a collaborative-interest based bargaining
model, it is important for staff to be present to track proceedings to
enable full participation of members. That example speaks to a
confidential process requiring staff support. Another example is
involvement in contract negotiations with Thurston County Medic One
to support 28 paramedics in the fire department. Those
duties/responsibilities are not included within the scope of the
Administrative Assistant position.
Commissioner Schneider requested clarification as to the extent of
involvement within those two examples. Fire Chief Hurley said the
position participates in discussions surrounding impacts of various
proposals and how they might affect the department. Chief Examiner
Sutherland added that the position completes confidential data analysis
and provides the information to a team.
Discussion followed on the higher-level aspects of the position
involving confidentiality. The position also supervises other support
staff in the fire department. The fire department could expand the
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number of support positions in the future.
Commissioner Schneider asked about the possibility of adding the
higher level supervisory and confidentiality responsibilities to the job
description. Fire Chief Hurley said the job description could be
expanded with the recognition that the position description is scheduled
for review in 2025 as part of the City’s effort to review all job
classifications.
Commissioner Schneider reiterated that the current job description of
the Executive Assistant is not reflective of the increase in job
responsibilities and lacks a clear distinction of a higher-level position
than an Administrative Assistant. She suggested updating the
Executive Assistant job description to reflect the position’s
responsibilities.
Chair Tee referred to concerns that an upgrade of the position might
prompt other Administrative Assistants to request a similar upgrade.
Commissioner Schneider acknowledged that it was one of her concerns
as the action might set a precedent.
Chief Examiner Sutherland pointed out that the position in the fire
department is a Civil Service position and does not correspond to other
Administrative Assistant positions in the City working in other
departments. The position is specific only to the fire department.
Commissioner Schneider asked about the number of both
Administrative Assistants and Executive Assistants within the City
working in other departments. Chief Examiner Sutherland said the
City employs one Confidential Executive Assistant working for the
Mayor, City Administrator, and the City Council. Five Administrative
Assistants are assigned to other City departments.
Fire Chief Hurley said the proposal for reclassifying the position was
reviewed with the Mayor and the City Administrator as part of the
City’s budget process. The Mayor and City Administrator supported
the proposal and the increase in pay was approved in the City’s budget.
Commissioner Schneider reiterated her request for the job description
to be updated in 2025 to reflect the higher level of confidentiality and
an increase in responsibilities to justify the salary increase and to
distinguish between the two positions.
MOTION: Commissioner Schneider moved to direct staff to prepare a revised
job description to clarify the higher level of confidentiality that is
required for the position to distinguish from the Administrative
Assistant position description.
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Commissioner Chard asked about the potential impact to the
department by delaying action on the proposal. Fire Chief Hurley
advised that operationally, there would be no direct impact other than
the issue has been an ongoing process to resolve. There would be no
direct operational impacts.
Commissioner Chard asked whether the Commission has the authority
to request a new position description or only when staff presents a new
position description for consideration. Chief Examiner Sutherland
advised that the Commission typically acts when a position description
is presented by staff.
MOTION: Commissioner Chard seconded the motion. A voice vote approved
the motion unanimously.
ELECTION OF Chair Tee invited nominations for Chair.
COMMISSION CHAIR:
Commissioner Schneider nominated Blake Chard to serve as Chair.
Chair Tee seconded the nomination.
No other nominations were offered.
MOTION: By a unanimous vote of affirmation, Commissioner Chard was
elected to serve as Chair.
UPDATES: Chief Examiner Sutherland reviewed the requirements of the Open
Public Meetings Act and the importance of avoiding violation of the
Act by the sharing of emails as a group.
Fire Chief Hurley reported on the hiring of 10 Firefighter Paramedics.
The new employees are attending the Advanced Life Support
Academy. The academy is a six-week training course. Five of the
employees will return as they are trained as firefighters with the other
five continuing on to the fire academy.
Police Chief Weiks advised that he is currently on medical leave.
Police Chief Weiks thanked Chair Tee for his service to the police and
fire departments over the last several years. He wished him the best in
his next adventures.
Police Chief Weiks reported that one new police officer is scheduled to
attend the basic law enforcement academy on January 22, 2025. Not
too long ago, the department was required to wait six to eight months
before a new hire could be scheduled to attend the academy. The
reduction to two months today will benefit the department especially in
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the hiring process and in reducing the time to onboard a new police
officer. The department recently hired a lateral police officer
candidate. The major hurdle is obtaining equipment for the new
officer, especially body armor because of ongoing delays in obtaining
equipment. The officer cannot work on a shift until equipped with the
proper equipment, especially body armor. The department currently
has two vacant police officer positions with two background
investigations in progress.
Fire Chief Hurley thanked Chair Tee on behalf of the City for his
service on the Commission from 2010 to 2025. He presented him with
a Certificate of Appreciation from the City.
Chair Tee said it was a pleasure working with staff from the City as it
served as an enjoyable way to be connected to the City and the
community. He wished everyone well.
NEXT MEETING The next meeting is scheduled on Thursday, February 13, 2025.
DATE:
ADJOURNMENT: Commissioner Schneider moved, seconded by Commissioner
Chard, to adjourn the meeting at 6:22 p.m. A voice vote approved
the motion.
_________________________ ___________________________________
Blake Chard, Chair Michelle Sutherland, Secretary Chief Examiner
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Agenda
CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION
MEETING AGENDA
Online via Zoom and In Person at
Tumwater City Hall, Sunset Room, 555
Israel Rd. SW, Tumwater, WA 98501
Thursday, January 09, 2025
5:30 AM
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Changes to Agenda
4. Approval of Minutes
a. Approval of Minutes from November 14, 2024
5. Eligibility List Update
6. Entry Level Police Eligibility
7. Lateral Paramedic Firefighter Eligibility
8. Paramedic Firefighter Eligibility List
9. Reclass to Executive Assistant
10. Election of Commission Chair
11. Next Meeting Date - 02/13/2025
12. Adjourn
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