Historic Preservation Commission
Regular MeetingTumwater, WA · March 21, 2024
Minutes
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CONVENE: 6:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Chair David Shipley and Commissioners Dave Nicandri, Alex Rossiter,
Renee Radcliff Sinclair, and Don Trosper.
Excused: Commissioner Marnie Slakey.
Staff: Parks and Recreation Director Chuck Denney, Communications
Manager Ann Cook, Recreation Manager Todd Anderson, and Volunteer
Coordinator Brianna Feller.
Others: Councilmember Leatta Dahlhoff and Kevin McFarland, Sound
Urban Forestry.
CHANGES TO There were no changes to the agenda.
AGENDA:
APPROVAL OF
MINUTES OF
HISTORIC
PRESERVATION
COMMISSION
MEETINGS: JULY
20, 2023,
SEPTEMBER 21,
2023, & NOVEMBER
16, 2023:
MOTION: Commissioner Sinclair moved, seconded by Commissioner Rossiter,
to approve the minutes of July 20, 2023, September 21, 2023, and
November 16, 2023 as published. A voice vote approved the motion
unanimously.
PUBLIC Charlotte Parsons said she is representing Friends of Trees. She asked
COMMENT: the Commission to continue supporting the Davis/Meeker oak tree.
Friends of Trees support the preservation of trees and particularly mature
trees. Scientific studies have documented that mature trees draw down
and sequester much more carbon dioxide than young trees. Mature tree
root systems store more water during droughts and are a stronger bulwark
against flooding. The bigger the tree the more services it offers to humans
and wildlife. Many comments are advocating for the preservation of the
Davis/Meeker oak tree, retrenchment pruning versus a system of cables,
and bracing may both be needed to preserve the tree. Both systems
promise a tree structure that will be sufficiently healthy to be safe.
However, the science for keeping the tree alive will not save the tree.
What is important is not science, it is community support. Ancient trees
are classified as historic because of their connection to human’s past. In
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this case, to prehistory since the day the Davis/Meeker tree sprouted 200
years before white settlers arrived. It is unknown as to how Native
peoples cared for the tree or even how it survived the wagon wheels of the
Oregon Trail. What is known is its recent history when Jack Davis and
others fought to have the highway rerouted around the tree. The
community’s recent care for the tree reminds her of another tree, a
drooping fig tree in Nepal reported to be more than 2,000 years old. She
visited the tree seven years ago because it is close to the village where her
daughter-in-law was raised. How the tree has survived so long is a
mystery because it is located in the middle of agricultural fields.
Approximately 10 years ago teenagers climbed the tree and cars driving
too close damaged the tree. Local villagers protected the tree with a fence
and a live-in watchman. With the same kind of community will and
donations, the Davis/Meeker tree could be saved for hundreds of years.
She is hopeful the Commission has faith that the community will join to
protect the tree. She urged Commissioners not to delist the tree but
actively support the community by sponsoring a voluntary donation fund
for preservation efforts as one suggestion of many. Keep the door open
for future community action.
Janine Gates asked members not to delist the Davis/Meeker tree as the
first step in a process of removing the tree. She reviewed the agenda
packet of materials and pointed out several conflicts within the
information. Tyler Bunton with Tree Solutions was contracted by the
City to complete a qualified review of the tree. Mr. Bunton and his
colleague, George White, determined the tree should be managed as a
veteran tree with retrenchment pruning to reduce the tree height and tree
spread by 15 feet. Reducing the tree height and spread would result in
lowered wind loads acting on the trunk and branch unions resulting in a
lower likelihood of failure. He also indicated that the sonic tomography
performed on the tree reflected the tree had slightly more sound wood
than required to support the tree and that with the exception of the recent
large branch failure, the oak tree appears to be in very good health in
terms of crown density, leaf color, leaf size, and inner node growth
indicative of a vigorous tree. With the expert opinion following the most
comprehensive research on the tree, it is confusing as to why the arborist
is suggesting the removal of the tree. She asked the Commission not to
delist the 400-year old tree that has been in existence 150 years longer
than the nation. The tree has every right to exist for its own purpose, for
its own existence, but also the community owes the tree the ability to live
its life in a natural way at the very highest level that can be afforded.
Retrenchment pruning, possible reinforcement, or even trimming the tree
would be acceptable to the public. However, removing the tree would not
be the right decision, as many individuals from the Native Plant Society,
Thurston Climate Action Team, Pacific Northwest Forest Climate
Alliance, and other groups not in attendance would speak out to say the
tree deserves to live.
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Beowulf Brower said he is an arborist employed by Washington State
Parks and his opinions do not reflect any official position of the
Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission. He manages the
health and assessment of some of the largest and oldest trees under state
ownership. He is familiar with issues affecting some of the state’s best
trees. In his review of the report by Kevin McFarland, several issues and
contradictions were evident. The condition of the tree as assessed by
McFarland was listed as poor; however, within the report, Mr. McFarland
indicates the tree, with the exception of recent large branch failures,
appears to be in very good health. Pursuant to a conversation with Mr.
McFarland, the illustration labeled Extent of Decay was derived from
sounding the tree with a mallet. In 2024, it is possible to do better. A
microexistence drill is a common tool in the consulting arborist toolkit
today. The device provides demonstrative evidence of the extent and
characteristics attributable to decay. Tree Solutions, which was
contracted for tomography work uses such a device as well as several
climate arborists on staff who could have easily completed the
assessment. To decide the fate of an historic tree by striking the tree with
a mallet is disrespectful of its status and should be relegated to a previous
age. The tree risk assessment form includes major errors in the risk
categorization table. As submitted, the assessment’s likelihood of failure
is listed as possible and likelihood of impacting target is listed as high.
By referencing Matrix 1, this would result in a somewhat likely likelihood
of failure and impact. Mr. McFarland wrongly listed it as likely, which
might appear to be inconsequential but the mistake is listed in both
conditions of concern and is applied to Matrix 2, the final risk rating
incorrectly elevated from moderate to high. Furthermore, in the document
using the ISA basic tree assessment form, it gives specific examples of a
medium likelihood of impacting a target as an example of medium
likelihood of impacting people (could be passengers in a car) traveling
down an arterial street or frequent occupancy next to the assessed tree
with a large dead branch over the street. This is not congruent with the
assessment of Target #1 of Condition 1. The target of concern should be
motorists using the road and not the road itself because roads are made
from asphalt and being struck by a branch would be inconsequential to its
condition. As such, a medium likelihood of impacting the target (people)
with a possible likelihood of failure would yield an unlikely likelihood of
failure and impact. This is reflected in the history of the failure of the tree
reflecting no reported injuries caused by a limb failure. Similarly, Target
3 of Condition 1 identified as north and south parking could be easily
rectified by closing three parking spaces to the south and perhaps three
spaces to the north. Given the prevailing wind direction of south by
southwest, it is not likely to affect north parking spaces in a windstorm. It
is notable that that no branches from the tree overhang or grow in the
direction of either parking area. As such, the risk of impact from a large
scaffold branch would be at most medium. He personally would rate it as
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low. In either case, a similar result of a likely likelihood of failure and
impact of moderate to low rather than high would occur. To have the tree
felled to a litany of errors on a form is a disservice to history and the
natural world and it was also expressed by public comment at the Tree
Board meeting, and is entirely against the wishes of City residents.
Commissioner Nicandri asked whether the Commission has the ability to
engage in dialogue with the public or schedule a subsequent work session
with the public. Director Denney advised that if such a meeting aligns
within the calendar of the project, the Commission has the option of
scheduling a meeting; however, if there are questions raised during public
comment that the Commission wishes to address, he advised them to
submit information to staff for further review during the Commission’s
discussion.
Lisa Nezwazky supported saving the 400-year old oak tree. All trees are
important for solving the climate crisis.
Theresa spoke in support of saving the tree. She appreciated the
comments by Mr. Brower. She agreed a work session would be warranted
to clear up some issues for the public and that the decision should not be
rendered lightly.
L. Leach reported he has been a resident of Tumwater for several years
and has worked in the tree and parks industry over the years and was able
to work with many old trees similar to the oak tree that eventually were
cut down. He has witnessed clearcutting of older forests near Roseburg,
Oregon. He learned about the oak tree several weeks ago and wants the
tree saved because it is the last old tree in the City that is 400 years old.
He asked the Commission to postpone a decision, conduct a survey, and
establish a stakeholder group to save the tree.
Ms. Gates added that accessing the meeting online was very difficult
even though she had received several emails from Communications
Manager Ann Cook and had contacted Director Denney. She was unable
to use any of the links that were provided through the normal channels to
access the meeting. It was only after locating a page with the Zoom
address that she was able to join the meeting. She agreed with
Commissioner Nicandri about the possibility of holding a hearing because
of the difficulty for the public to access the meeting through normal
channels. Since public access to the meeting was very limited, the
Commission should consider conducting another meeting for the public to
attend and offer comments.
ELECTION OF 2024 Chair Shipley advised of his pending move from the City of Tumwater in
VICE CHAIR & June.
CHAIR:
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Director Denney advised that based on the City’s code, two members of
the Commission must be historic professionals. Chair Shipley and
Commissioner Nicandri serve in those positions. One of the members is
not required to reside in Tumwater but can live within the region.
However, filling the position does require approval by the Mayor with the
City Council approving the Mayor’s recommendation. Staff is pursuing
the administrative process to enable Chair Shipley to continue serving on
the Commission.
Chair Shipley called for nominations for the Chair position during 2024.
Commissioner Rossiter nominated David Shipley to the position of Chair
during 2024. Commissioner Nicandri seconded the nomination.
No other nominations were offered.
VOTE: By a unanimous vote of affirmation, David Shipley was elected to
serve as 2024 Chair of the Historic Preservation Commission.
Chair Shipley invited nominations for Vice Chair.
Commissioner Nicandri nominated Alex Rossiter to serve as Vice Chair
during 2024. Commissioner Trosper seconded the nomination.
VOTE: By a unanimous vote of affirmation, Alex Rossiter was elected to
serve as Vice Chair of the Historic Preservation Commission during
2024.
DAVIS/MEEKER Chair Shipley acknowledged and thanked community members for
OAK TREE: attending and offering public comment. The Commission received
numerous letters and he is appreciative of the time, interest, and the
efforts by the public to comment on an important historic tree.
Director Denney reported staff forwarded approximately 72 emails to the
Commission earlier in the day with some in support of the urban forester’s
position and many others not in support. The issue has sparked many
emotions as well as some misinformation. The status of the oak tree is
not affiliated with any project along Capitol Boulevard or Old Highway
99. The City’s Transportation Plan includes plans to expand Old
Highway 99 through the airport property; however the project would not
affect or involve the oak tree. Additionally, the status of the oak tree is
not tied to the Port of Olympia, plans at the airport, or any potential
expansion of the airport.
Chair Shipley advised the public to read Tumwater On Tap for additional
information on the status of the Davis/Meeker oak tree.
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Director Denney reported the Davis/Meeker oak tree is estimated to be
approximately 400 years old. During discussions with members of the
Squaxin Island Tribe, staff learned that native tribes used the tree as a
directional point. Early pioneers also used the tree as a directional marker
as they traveled along the Oregon Trail ending in Tumwater. State
Highway 99 was constructed around the tree and improvements to the
highway over the years preserved and protected the tree.
The City of Tumwater listed the oak tree on the Tumwater Historic
Register in 1996. Thurston County recognized the tree by placing a
marker near the tree in 1999. The City has a long history surrounding the
tree and the recent incident was not the first time the City has addressed
the health of the tree. Staff has visited the tree multiple times to address
falling limbs and the health of the tree. Previous studies were completed
on the tree. The tree was previously surrounded by grass and shrubs.
During work with an arborist approximately 20 years ago, the arborist
recommended removing all vegetation and supplementing the soil to
improve the health of the tree. Over the course of many years, staff
amended the soil, completed soil aeration treatments, applied fertilizer,
and completed deep tree soil aeration by driving spikes into the ground to
disturb the soil enabling air to reach the tree’s root system. The City has
continually monitored and completed many treatments to improve the
health of the tree.
In June 2023, a large branch failed and fell. The branch was
approximately 18 inches in diameter. At that time, staff contacted Kevin
McFarland with Sound Urban Forestry, the City’s contracted arborist.
Mr. McFarland has worked with the City for many years on many
projects. Mr. McFarland completed a level 3 in-depth assessment to
determine whether the tree was hazardous. Mr. McFarland contracted
with climbing arborists to perform an assessment of higher limbs, as well
as another company to complete a sonic tomography to view the internal
structure of the tree to ascertain the degree of decay within the tree.
Outwardly, the tree appears healthy, but internally, the tree reflects decay
in many areas.
The report also addressed the option of retrenchment pruning commonly
known as severe pruning. Should the City consider the option, the report
recommends pruning the top of the tree by approximately 15 feet, which
has the potential of extending the life of the tree for an unknown number
of years. The Commission’s discussion with Mr. McFarland should
address what the potential is of saving a tree that is dying, such as
extending the tree’s life by several years and the likelihood of any safety
implications and liability to the City. Pruning the top of the tree by 15
feet would be a drastic cut and would change the crown of the tree. Some
of the limbs are 15 to 18 inches in diameter in the area that would be
removed. Cutting such large branches would expose those areas to the
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elements such as disease and rot that could enter into open wounds on the
tree caused by pruning. The option has both positives and negatives. The
report addresses whether cutting the tree by 15 feet would be sufficient.
In the end, trimming the tree to such a degree would result in many heavy
branches remaining while not necessarily solving the problem of not
having limbs falling because of decay. There is also an issue of trimming
more of the tree, but Mr. McFarland has indicated that 15 feet is the stress
level the tree could likely endure. Although retrenchment pruning is an
alternative, it is not the alternative Mr. McFarland recommended.
Director Denney displayed an aerial view of the top of the tree, which
depicts the location of the historic hanger at the airport (listed on the
Historic Register) and Old Highway 99. The tree covers almost the
entirety of both lanes of travel on Old Highway 99. Cabling and support
structures under heavy limbs would not be possible above Old Highway
99. The tree is located in a difficult location for mediation remedies to
save the tree. Because of the tree’s location and proximity of the historic
hanger and Old Highway 99, staff does not recommend pursuing that type
of mitigation method.
The City’s risk manager discussed the tree with the City’s insurance
provider, Washington Cities Insurance Authority (WCIA). Officials with
WCIA reviewed Mr. McFarland’s report and recommended removing the
tree. The tree presents a high risk and a high liability situation for the
City of Tumwater.
Director Denney commented that as more people in the City and
surrounding areas learn about the situation, staff continues to receive
comments from all areas of the region. Public input is important to the
City’ however, this situation has been difficult for a variety of reasons
including the lack of a local newspaper covering the issue with
information available either online or by cell phone. It is often difficult to
receive information as well as disseminate information to the community.
The City employs different communication channels such as Facebook,
the City’s webpage, notices in the City’s utility bills, City of Tumwater
newsletter, and through City meetings. The City Council recently
discussed the tree during its worksession and received a presentation by
Mr. McFarland. The purpose of the presentation to the Commission is to
receive a recommendation to forward to the Council. A public hearing is
not scheduled for the Commission’s meeting but rather the Commission
can receive public comments.
Following the Commission’s recommendation, the City Council at its
April 2, 2024 will review the issue, accept public comment, and based on
the Commission’s recommendation will render a final decision. The
decision is whether to retain or remove the tree from the historic register.
Should the decision result in the delisting of the tree, obtaining a City tree
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removal permit would be required to remove the tree. If the tree is not
delisted, a permit cannot be issued with the City initiating a retrenchment
pruning process.
Commissioner Nicandri reviewed the photograph of the tree and
identified the location of the branch overhanging Old Highway 99. He
noted that Director Denney’s prior comment about the tree overhanging
Old Highway 99. The statement is accurate if it only spoke to the right-
of-way off Old Highway 99. From the photograph’s perspective, it
appears that at most, one-third of the tree actually overhangs Old
Highway 99.
Director Denney identified the location of the Old Highway 99 fog line,
which encompasses overhanging of a part of the tree. The branch that fell
last year landed in dirt.
Commissioner Nicandri reviewed several hypotheticals of recommending
delisting whereas the City Council could refuse to approve the delisting or
approve delisting the tree. Director Denney confirmed the City Council
has the final authority.
Chair Shipley pointed out that the Historic Preservation Commission
serves as an advisory board and that the final decision is by the City
Council. The Commission provides the ability and the opportunity for the
public to comment. The final decision; however, will be by the Tumwater
City Council. He encouraged staff to increase communications to the
public by including messages within the utility billings announcing
vacancies on the Commission and the opportunity to volunteer, promoting
Tumwater on Tap, and advertising ways to access the City Council.
Director Denney reported the staff recommendation based on Mr.
McFarland’s recommendation supported by several subconsultants is a
recommendation to the City Council to delist the Davis/Meeker oak tree
from the historic register primarily because of the tree’s health and the
risk the tree poses to the public.
Director Denney added that staff began collecting acorns and planted
some with many sprouting for planting in City parks, other City
properties, and at the new Trails End Park. Additionally, wood from the
tree would be recovered for use as art or a display at City Hall and/or the
new Public Works Operations and Maintenance Facility at the former
Trails End site.
Chair Shipley encouraged staff to consider adding a sign to commemorate
the tree as a small marker is currently located near the tree and difficult to
distinguish. Director Denney advised of discussions by staff regarding
future signage to commemorate the historic tree.
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Commissioner Nicandri asked whether the Tree Board offered any
recommendations regarding the tree. Director Denney shared that the
Tree Board serves no role with respect to decisions surrounding the tree.
The Tree Board’s primary focus is on City trees. The Board received
information from staff regarding the situation with the tree. Several local
arborists are members of the Board. The Board is supported by staff from
the Water Resources and Sustainability Department. The Board did not
offer any recommendation because it was not the Board’s function to
provide a recommendation on delisting.
Director Nicandri commented that the Board would be in a position to
offer testimony or comment on the health and value of the tree without
regard to delisting the tree. Director Denney advised that he did not
attend the meetings, but after consultation with staff, some members
supported delisting the tree while other members did not. Minutes from
the meetings will document the Board’s discussion on the Davis/Meeker
oak tree
Director Denney introduced Kevin McFarland, author of the assessment
report on the Davis/Meeker oak tree.
Mr. McFarland reported he has worked with the City since 1967. One of
the early tasks was evaluating the health of the oak tree. At that time, the
examination revealed the tree was buried at the base by two feet of fill.
After further digging around the base of the tree, he discovered the
beginnings of shoestring rot penetrating the tree. Working in conjunction
with a local landscaper, an air spade removed excess soil from the base of
the tree to expose the area of root rot. The void was filled with river rock
around the base of the tree to ensure the tree had proper air circulation and
light to prevent worsening of the rot. During the ensuing years, he was
involved in ongoing health treatment and maintenance of the tree. He
stressed the difficulty of rendering the recommendation based on his
assessment of the tree, as the decision was difficult for him personally.
The tree experienced two limb failures last year. The first failure hit the
roadway barrier and fell onto the highway. He was informed of the
incident by an employee working at the airport hanger and by City Staff.
The second failure landed on the soil behind the barrier away from the
highway, which sparked further evaluation of the tree. Previously, he
inspected the tree with Cascade Tree Experts using a bucket for the
inspection of the tree. Pruning was completed to reduce the end weight
on some of the lateral branches and the stem to help reduce the risk of a
branch failure. He has worked on the tree with many others to maintain
the health of the oak tree over many years.
Commissioner Nicandri referred to staff’s reference that the tree is dying.
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He asked Mr. McFarland his opinion as to whether the tree is dying and
when the tree began dying. Mr. McFarland answered by indicating that
he does not believe the tree is dying; however, the tree’s condition is poor
while the tree overall appears to be in good health. The poor condition
speaks to the extent of decay within the tree. Although the tree is not
dying, it is suffering from a number of issues with its structure and wood
decay throughout most of the tree. The tree is able to translocate fluids,
conduct photosynthesis, and appears to be in good health, but structurally
the tree is in poor condition.
Commissioner Nicandri said although the perimeter of the tree trunk
appears to be healthy, the core of the tree is experiencing most of the
problems. He asked about the importance of the trunk versus the core of
the tree. Mr. McFarland advised that given the tree is a Garry oak, it is
possible that the tree with the extent of decay reflected in the results of the
tomography to continue to move fluids from its root system to the canopy
as well as support itself through the main stem. It is possible to have
unhealthy cell tissue inside the interior of the trunk; however, the decay
continues up through the co-dominant stem and to the scaffolds toward
the left, which is the problem in terms of this specific tree because it poses
a high risk due to the extent of decay throughout the area. The second co-
dominant stem to the west near the hanger is connected to the trunk and is
not well supported. He is concerned about the tree when considering all
those factors identified during the tomography and inspections by Tree
Solutions.
Commissioner Nicandri commented that it appears that some parts of the
tree pose more of a risk than other parts of the tree. Mr. McFarland
affirmed the statement. Commissioner Nicandri asked whether the
concern speaks to the tree canopy to the east. Mr. McFarland concurred
as it speaks to the extent of the infection in that area of the tree and the
fact that the second co-dominant stem to the west is attached to a column
experiencing decay in the main stem.
Commissioner Nicandri asked Mr. McFarland to respond to the comments
surrounding the mallet and the tomography. Mr. McFarland said the
mallet is a reliable tool. The climbing arborist used a probe as well as a
mallet. The arborist was able to inspect the area with his guidance with
reports on what was discovered during the examination. He elected not to
use a resistograph because sufficient information was provided by the
arborist with Tree Solution during the examination.
Commissioner Nicandri commented that the most common theme
resonating in the public comments is the appearance of an internal
inconsistency between Tree Solutions and Mr. McFarland as Tree
Solutions recommended retrenchment pruning while the report indicates
that although the tree is not dying and is generally healthy, there are issues
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associated with its overall condition. Two consulting arborists have both
indicated the tree is in reasonable shape, yet the recommendation
regarding the tree’s disposition is for removal, which many members in
the community are having difficulty reconciling. Mr. McFarland and Tree
Solutions’ analysis is internally inconsistent with a fair reading of the
documentation.
Mr. McFarland responded that he serves as the lead arborist and sought
additional information from Tree Solutions using tomography. He
considered information and input from Tree Solutions and based on the
totality of information he rendered a recommendation that because the
tree poses a high risk, the tree should be removed. He understands the
conflict surrounding the recommendation.
Commissioner Nicandri asked about examples of similar trees in the
community. Mr. McFarland said that based on size and age, he is not
aware of any other trees other than two oak trees located within the City
of Lacey of smaller size.
Mr. McFarland responded to questions about options for retrenchment
pruning and explained that any pruning of the tree should entail pruning
of the entire crown rather than a partial retrenchment pruning of the crown
that focuses on the most problematic aspect of the tree’s condition. In
term of this particular tree, it would not be beneficial to the tree to focus
on one area or a percentage pruning. The reason is that the co-dominant
stem with its scaffold branches leaning toward the highway are the areas
of the tree with a significant amount of decay. Retrenchment pruning in
that area would remove some of the decayed areas, which would also be
applied on the west side of the tree to reduce the end weight of the large
co-dominant stem because the area is significantly decayed. Any
retrenchment pruning, which he does not recommend, would need to be
equal throughout the entire canopy.
Commissioner Nicandri spoke to both comments and written
communication from Mr. Brower. The comments speak to the
advisability of scheduling a work session of the Commission to review the
matrices and the assessment form.
Chair Shipley noted that of the communications from the public most of
the comments criticized the report and pointed out the conflict between
the City’s arborist and the report provided by Tree Solutions.
Commissioner Nicandri added that other communication received prior to
the meeting pointed out how completion of different assessment questions
can affect a determination.
Mr. McFarland explained that the risk assessment form includes risk
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categories describing the tree part most likely to fail, fall distance, part
size, and target number, etc. Within the assessment form, Matrix 1 and
Matrix 2 are connected to categorizations used for the final risk
determination. He offered to meet with the Commission to review the
form.
Commissioner Nicandri asked about the appropriateness of inviting Mr.
Brower to participate in a work session. Mr. McFarland advised against
inviting Mr. Brower.
Director Denney pointed out that there are many different views on the
issue and the process should not entail shopping for a doctor until the
right diagnosis is obtained. Mr. McFarland has served as the City’s
arborist for many years and has completed many successful projects. He
is the City’s authority on the subject. He suggested an option of Mr.
McFarland reviewing the comments and following up with the
Commission.
Commissioner Rossiter said he would also prefer a review of the
assessment form and the matrices. He added that he views the
Commission’s main concern and goal as preserving sacred elements to the
extent possible, especially features that are listed. In his opinion, the
Commission should recommend doing whatever is possible to save the
tree as long as possible because it is the purview of the City Council to
judge and weigh the value and risks of retaining the tree. The
Commission’s purview focuses on the historic value as all the comments
received by the Commission support prioritizing the historic value of the
tree over and above concerns of safety and costs.
Chair Shipley noted that many individuals want to retain the tree for a
variety of reasons. However, he is unsure how many of those individuals
are aware of the disease inside the tree trunk, which is problematic. It is
important for everyone to be aware of the extent of the rot from the base
of the tree to the branch over the highway.
Commissioner Trosper said he read the 72 emails the Commission
received from the public. The passion for Tumwater’s history and
heritage was impressive. It was important to learn about the public’s
concerns and input about the City’s history, which is why the community
is unique and special. Most of the feedback was overwhelmingly opposed
to delisting or removing the tree. He tends to agree and would not support
delisting the tree at this time. He prefers pursuing retrenchment pruning
with the understanding that eventually all trees fall and die. Tumwater’s
historic and unique heritage is important. As the Commission is focused
on historic preservation, the tree is an artifact that the Commission should
preserve to the extent possible before it eventually dies. The tree is part
of the City’s culture and heritage. Native Americans used the area near
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the tree as a trading route. The Hudson Bay Company adapted its trail
and used the same trail as a trading route. When the northern extension of
the Oregon Trail connected to the Cowlitz Trail, the tree existed as
pioneers traveled through the area. He recently read information on the
Harper family who arrived in Puget Sound in 1853. The information
reflected that their first camp on Puget Sound was close to big oak trees
along the Pacific Highway near the Olympia airport. The family stayed at
that location as Reverend Harper explored the area and eventually claimed
land on the west side of Bush Prairie and built a log house where the
family lived for six years. The tree served as a landmark for all settlers
traveling on the Cowlitz Trail. All trees fall and fail, the Davis/Meeker
oak tree represents the heritage of an historic community that should be
preserved and highlighted. He recommended the Council should place a
higher priority on historic preservation for the sake of tourism and growth.
The future of the past shows a bright future. Native trading route and
wagon roads were blazed by the 1845 founder, the famous Bush party that
traveled across the trail as well. The Olympia-Tenino railroad also used
the route and later, Old Highway 99 traffic passed the landmark tree in
Tumwater. The Olympia Airport was developed around the tree and Old
Highway 99 was widened with the project diverted around the tree in
recognition of its value. There are few remaining landmarks for such an
historic city and the tree serves as one of those landmarks. The City could
promote tourism, honor its heritage, and teach future generations that the
historic cultural value outweighs the legal financial liability. The City
needs to take risks to preserve the tree as long as possible.
Chair Shipley conveyed his uncertainty as to an opinion at this time as his
intent was to engage in a conversation with an open mind. However,
there is no question that the tree is historic, that it is big, and that Native
Americans burned the prairies to keep the canvas growing, which he
appreciates. However, if the tree was located on his property and he was
liable for the tree he is uncertain as to whether he would retain the tree if
there was a risk of the tree falling on his neighbor’s house. That is the
dilemma. According to published information, the life span of a Garry
oak can range from 200 to 400 years with some living beyond 500 years.
According to the City’s expert on trees, the tree is unhealthy and not safe.
It might be possible to contract with another arborist to examine the tree
or perhaps the City could pursue pruning the tree with the hope that the
tree’s health would improve over the next several years.
Commissioner Trosper agreed with Commissioner Rossiter’s comments
and supported bracing and trimming the tree to improve safety for traffic.
The long-term goal is to plant acorns from the tree similar to the Bush
butternut tree. However, at this time, he advocated for preserving the tree.
Commissioner Sinclair commented that the role of the Commission is to
support efforts to preserve the City’s history. Despite that goal, all living
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things eventually die. If retrenchment pruning could preserve the tree that
she drives by at least twice a day, there would still be uncertainty as to
how long the treatment would be effective. Even though there is a
liability, if there are ways to preserve the tree for a number of years, it
would be possible to hold on to a piece of the City’s past, which is
important. The tree will not live forever and she supports actions to plant
acorns from the tree.
Commissioner Nicandri commented that the least consequential comment
was the reference to the tree as unhealthy while also documented in
writing and via public testimony indicating the tree is healthy. The tree is
not unhealthy, but it is dying to the extent that any living organism is
dying. If there is an aspect of the City’s communication strategy around
the issue, it is that the tree is dead and unhealthy. Those terms penetrate
the public parleys whereas the nuance proposition that Mr. McFarland and
Mr. Tyler Bunton have offered never penetrate in the way the City or
some aspects of the City to include the Chair of the Commission have
characterized the issue. The tree is not unhealthy, but has problematic
features to its existence.
Chair Shipley noted that his reference to “unhealthy” was based on
comments by Mr. McFarland.
Commissioner Nicandri pointed out that Mr. McFarland indicated the tree
was healthy.
Chair Shipley said his comments should have spoken to the disease within
the tree’s system.
Commissioner Nicandri said a high-level view of the issue based on his
level of frustration by the circumstance the Commission is required to
address is distressing for a Commission represented by one of the best
chairs and a panel of interested citizens, a former state legislator, and
former head of the State Historical Society. Yet, the only time the
Commission is involved is when some transient burns an historic house
requiring the Commission to spend half a year discussing the selection of
wallpaper or a 400-year old tree that lost a branch. There is never any
proactive development except for his personal efforts over the years for
the City to place historic signs along Old Highway 99. Thank goodness,
someone in 1985 listed the tree or the Commission would not be engaged
in this conversation. It is important for the Commission to send a strong
message as the tree represents one of the most historic places in the state
of Washington. The only reason the Commission is engaged in the
conversation is concerns surrounding risk and liability and nothing about
the cultural or environmental values. The entire matrix of appraisal was
focused on risk and liability and yet to Commissioner Rossiter’s point, the
City is asking historians to weigh in on a decision that one could argue the
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Commission is not prepared or capable to consider as the core expertise is
lacking by members who are capable of evaluating history and culture.
The larger context of the issue is truly upsetting and his message to the
City Council is that it is time for the Council to invest in the Commission
and its role in support of the City. He has spent the last six months
lobbying the Parks Director to secure some historic Old Highway 99 signs
to place on the highway, which is in the pathway of the historic tree.
Relevant to the specific subject of the sustenance, sustainability, and
perpetuation of Garry oak trees within the environment, he asked about
the status of the park proposed on the old site of the Trails End Arena.
Director Denney advised that the master plan for the park has been
completed with construction scheduled in 2025/2026.
Commissioner Nicandri asked whether the plan includes a botanical
element.
Director Denney confirmed the plan includes a number of oak trees as
part of the planting plan. The site also includes an existing oak tree. Staff
has not estimated the age of the oak tree, but the tree is old. Another oak
tree is located on the east side of Old Highway 99 approximately 50 yards
from the Davis/Meeker oak tree. However, the tree is smaller.
Commissioner Nicandri spoke to the value of the Davis/Meeker oak tree
and the foresight of the individual who nominated the tree. He cited
Tumwater Municipal Code 2.62.040 D, (9) on historic preservation,
which states, “Review and comment to the city council on land use,
housing and redevelopment, municipal improvement and other types of
planning and programs undertaken by any agency of the city, other
neighboring communities, the county, the state or federal governments, as
they relate to historic resources of Tumwater.” He cited the section as
within the Commission’s purview to comment (presumably unsolicited).
It would be possible for members to attend the City Council meeting on
April 2, 2024 or ask staff to forward a copy of the meeting recording to
the Council. He said he would render a motion that the City take
affirmative steps without any regard to the disposition of the tree and that
the City commit to a perpetuation of the Garry oak species in the
adjoining neighborhood including the triangular plot of right-of-way
across from the Davis/Meeker oak tree in the area of the Bonniewood
Drive relocation. The area would be an ideal location for the City to
designate within its public right-of-way a public park planted with a grove
Garry oak trees in anticipation of when the subject tree meets its evitable
end.
MOTION: Commissioner Nicandri moved, seconded by Commissioner Rossiter,
to recommend to the City Council, pursuant to TMC 2.62.040 D. (9),
convert the triangular parcel of public right-of-way to a public park
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devoted to a perpetuation of the Garry oak tree species.
Commissioner Trosper spoke to the Council’s concerns about finances
and liability while pointing out how the Council has expended millions of
dollars on the brewhouse tower and rightfully so. He questioned the cost
to preserve the tree for several more years. It likely would not cost as
much as the brewhouse tower. The City needs to expand its vision
because Tumwater is a historic town, not just a brewing town because it
was the first permanent American community north of the Columbia
River. Racism in Oregon helped start Washington State. The culture of
the City is rich as reflected in the 72 emails from the community.
MOTION: A voice vote approved the motion unanimously.
Director Denney asked Mr. McFarland whether retrenchment pruning of
the tree would alleviate the City’s risk of the tree falling, reduce the City’s
liability, or solve the problem of having the tree fall on a person, car, or a
building.
Mr. McFarland responded that the report addresses the question; however,
in his professional opinion, if retrenchment pruning is applied, he feels the
tree would be a high risk.
Director Denney clarified the City’s position with respect to liability. If
an accident caused by the tree occurs, the City would be negligent as the
City is aware the problem existed and that the remedy would not absolve
the City of liability should something occur. It also speaks to the advice
from the City’s insurance authority to remove the tree.
Commissioner Nicandri said he believes the Commission has received
conflicting testimony of a procedural matter relative to the evaluative
matrix and that it would be of a higher level of prudency not to make a
decision until the Commission has the opportunity to work through the
evaluation matrix.
Chair Shipley said the request reflects the need for more information on
ways to preserve the tree and avoid liability.
Commissioner Nicandri offered that the question is the probability or the
lack of probability of the tree falling. In good faith, someone has
questioned the logic model of certain determinations with respect to the
evaluation matrix. At the very least, the Commission should have a better
understanding of either a probable or unlikely tree failure. Additionally,
the analysis of the matrix should have occurred during a Council work
session. He asked whether the Council reviewed the matrix.
Director Denney said the Council reviewed the assessment with Mr.
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McFarland last week.
Commissioner Nicandri asked whether the Council engaged in an
antithetical argument that the Commission received as testimony and in
writing. Director Denney advised that the Council did not engage in a
similar discussion but deferred to the City’s expert.
Commissioner Nicandri responded that no one is arguing that particular
point but because the City has hired a consultant it does not limit the City
to receiving public testimony that argues a contrary opinion. Since the
City Council renders the final decision, he suggested the Council should
receive the testimony of the antithetical view and engage in a discussion.
The Council always has the option of referring the matter back to the
Commission.
The Commission discussed next steps.
Commissioner Rossiter suggested identifying some funding sources to
approach for establishing a fund or to help fund the preservation of the
oak tree, such as the Port of Olympia or the tribe.
Director Denney advised that funding is not an issue regardless of either
scenario as the City has an established tree preservation fund that is
funded by new development occurring in the City.
Commissioner Nicandri commented that prior to offering a motion Mr.
McFarland has indicated that he was not fully conversant in the
antithetical analysis received by the Commission through public
testimony.
MOTION: Commissioner Nicandri moved to schedule a work session of the
Commission with Mr. McFarland pending his evaluation of the
antithetical argument and walk the Commission through the matrices
with respect to the fate of the Davis/Meeker oak tree.
The motion died to the lack of a second.
Director Denney explained some of the background pertaining to the age
of the municipal code overseeing the Commission and the need for
updating the code to reflect today’s practices and programs. He shared
some of the history surrounding the department’s assumption of the City’s
historical program. He recommended the Commission and the Council
meet jointly to discuss expectations by both the Council and the
Commission and to discuss the importance of Tumwater’s history moving
forward. He offered to coordinate the Commission’s meeting with Mr.
McFarland.
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Commissioner Rossiter inquired about other opportunities for the public
to interact, correspond, or testify during the work session. Director
Denney advised that all meetings are public and are open to the public.
During work sessions, public comment is typically not included on the
agenda.
Commissioner Nicandri inquired as to the process of forwarding the
Commission’s motion for establishment of the park. Director Denney
said he would follow up with the Council on the proposal.
ADJOURNMENT: Commissioner Trosper moved, seconded by Commissioner Rossiter,
to adjourn the meeting at 8:35 p.m. The motion carried unanimously.
Prepared by Valerie L. Gow, Recording Secretary/President
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Agenda
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MEETING AGENDA
Online via Zoom and In Person at
Tumwater City Hall, Council Chambers,
555 Israel Rd. SW, Tumwater, WA 98501
Thursday, March 21, 2024
6:30 PM
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Changes to Agenda
4. Approval of Minutes
a. Historic Preservation Commission Meeting 07/20/2023
b. Historic Preservation Commission Meeting 09/21/2023
c. Historic Preservation Commission Meeting 11/16/2023
5. Public Comment
6. Election of 2024 Vice Chair & Chair
7. Davis/Meeker Oak Tree
8. Next Meeting Date - 04/18/2024
9. Adjourn
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