Joint Council and Planning Commission
Regular MeetingTumwater, WA · December 12, 2023
Minutes
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CONVENE: 6:00 p.m.
PRESENT: Mayor Debbie Sullivan and Councilmembers Peter Agabi, Michael
Althauser, Joan Cathey, Leatta Dahlhoff, Angela Jefferson, Eileen
Swarthout.
Excused: Charlie Schneider.
Planning Commission: Chair Elizabeth Robbins and Commissioners Grace
Edwards, Terry Kirkpatrick, Brandon Staff, Michael Tobias, and Anthony
Varela.
Absent: Brian Schumacher and Kelly Von Holtz.
Staff: City Administrator Lisa Parks, Finance Director Troy Niemeyer,
Transportation and Engineering Director Brandon Hicks, Water Resources
and Sustainability Director Dan Smith, Planning Manager Brad Medrud,
Communications Manager Ann Cook, and Land Use and Housing Planner
Erika Smith-Erickson.
2024 LONG RANGE Manager Medrud reported that the Planning Commission and staff develop a
PLANNING WORK preliminary work program reviewed by the City Administrator and the Mayor
PROGRAM: for consideration by the City Council each year.
Manager Medrud reviewed 2023 accomplishments to include the addition of
Housing and Land Use Planner Erika Smith-Erickson, who joined the
department in 2023. Planner Smith-Erickson assumed the role of the City’s
first designated housing planner. Other notable achievements include the
adoption of the rental registration ordinance, identification of 2023
Comprehensive Plan Amendments and Development Code Housekeeping
Amendments, and a draft Hazard Mitigation Plan scheduled for adoption
early next year. Many other planning processes are ongoing. The first is the
2025 Comprehensive Plan and Zoning Code Periodic Update, conclusion of
a community survey, and the Habitat Conservation Plan (HCP). U.S. Fish
and Wildlife Service (USFWS) provided some detailed comments on the
HCP that will need to be addressed. Staff anticipates submitting an outline
to USFWS of the City’s approach to the comments early next year. Other
work has been in support of the Regional Housing Council and the Equity
Toolbox anticipated to be completed by mid-2024. As part of the project, the
focus is primarily on tools that could be used for policy development. Work
on the amendments in support of the Urban Forestry Management Plan will
resume in March 2024.
Pending work includes potential amendments to the landscape, street tree,
and tree and vegetation preservation ordinances. The work was nearly
completed for presentation of draft ordinances to the Planning Commission
when the City was notified of the pending adoption of the Washington
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Wildland-Urban Interface Code. Staff suspended the update process and
have since met with officials from the State Building Code Council to request
some changes to the code.
The proposed work program is based on items proposed by the Council, the
Planning Commission, staff, and the public. All proposals are folded within
the proposed work program. For the 2024 work program, the department
budgeted 3.1 FTEs, which requires the addition of one planner. Half of staff
time will be devoted to the Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update process.
Ongoing work within the work plan includes the HCP and Regional Housing
Council support requiring another quarter FTE.
The joint meeting is an opportunity for the Council and Commission to
discuss the proposed work program as well as review the roles as part of the
process. The work program is comprised of four sections focusing on the
Comprehensive Plan Amendment Docket and Development Regulations
Docket, other planning projects, and general management and coordination.
Included on the work program are below the line projects with no assigned
staff but the work might be necessary as it supports the work program. If
time becomes available or a higher priority is assigned, staff adjusts the work
program. Approximately one quarter of the time will be focused on the
Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update process excluding Development Code
amendments. Other substantial initiatives are potential changes to
development regulations, Urban Forestry Management Plan amendments,
and Thurston County Title 22 amendments. Thurston County is wrapping up
its joint planning processes with the City of Olympia and the City of Lacey.
It is anticipated the Thurston County will direct staff to pursue updating the
joint code between the City and the county as it has not been updated since
1995. Title 22 speaks to the City’s growth management area and the county’s
codes that are not in alignment with the City’s development codes.
Other planning projects are the Food System Plan with staff efforts on the
plan scheduled next year, completion of the Hazard Mitigation Plan Update,
managing the Multifamily Tax Exemption Program, code enforcement, and
responding to public inquiries.
Tasks related to general management and coordination involves coordination
with the code compliance team, transportation team, Green Team, stormwater
team, and with GIS staff, as well as general coordination with local
jurisdictions primarily with Thurston County and the City of Olympia. As a
member of the Regional Housing Council, the City is required to dedicate a
quarter FTE to support the Regional Housing Council.
Manager Medrud reviewed some discussion topics and asked for feedback on
a series of questions:
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What went well with the 2023 long range work program and what
could be improved? Commissioner Dahlhoff recommended more
crossover and touch points between the Commission and the Council.
Scheduling the first joint meeting in December is too late.
Commissioner Tobias asked whether staff tracks any proposals
originated by the Commission and staff that are either successful or
changed by the Council as opposed to proposals that were changed
during the review process.
Councilmember Althauser responded that the Council has revised
some recommendations based on the legal substance of the change
that was not germane to the goal of the overarching issue. When the
Council has made changes that are significant, the Council’s common
practice has been to refer the proposal to the Commission for a
second vetting. Differences of opinions can occur in terms of the
language of any proposal. As Chair of the General Government
Committee, he recommends the Council should enact a process of
returning differing proposals to the Commission for additional review
and as an opportunity to promote an exchange of ideas and opinions
between the Commission and the Council.
Chair Robbins asked for feedback on what the Council believes a
successful Comprehensive Plan should entail to assist the
Commission.
Councilmember Althauser commented that success is measured in a
variety of ways as discussed to some degree by the General
Government Committee. Councilmember Dahlhoff has been a strong
advocate for ensuring public input and public interaction during the
update of the Comprehensive Plan. Public accessibility has been an
important goal and the General Government Committee has
discussed ways to simplify the Plan to increase accessibility. Another
option is production of a resident guide to the Comprehensive Plan.
His vision for success is ensuring the vision established for the City
is reflected throughout the Comprehensive Plan in all elements and
strategies. Another important consideration is ensuring the public
understands the Plan.
Councilmember Cathey said the Council should provide some clarity
by identifying the goals for 2024. At the last joint meeting two years
ago, the goal was environment. Although progress occurred in some
areas, more joint efforts by the Council and the Commission would
assist in achieving more progress on environmental efforts. She
stressed the importance of coordinating actions between the
Commission and the Council to advance goals that have been
identified by the Council. She questioned the terminology associated
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with “equity” within City planning documents. It may affect how the
City assigns zones. She thanked and acknowledged Commissioners
for their efforts in support of the City.
Councilmember Jefferson said she views the work of the Planning
Commission as seamless with good communication between the two
bodies because of the limited number of issues returned to the
Commission.
Councilmember Althauser conveyed appreciation as both the Council
and the Commission established realistic expectations at the
beginning of the year of what could be achievable with current
resources.
Councilmember Cathey encouraged Commissioners to consider items
listed below the line to determine if some items deserve some attention
or address some issues directly to the Council.
How has coordination between the City Council and Planning
Commission gone in 2023 and what can be improved in 2024?
Commissioner Dahlhoff suggested hosting a community forum next
year with the Planning Commission and possibly other Commissions
and Boards, as it would fall within the timeline of the update of the
Comprehensive Plan.
Are there additional projects in 2024 to be considered? If so, what
projects currently proposed can be delayed?
Commissioner Dahlhoff said she would provide staff with a list, as the
current list might be modified or edited because the Council has not
held its retreat at this time. Councilmember Cathey agreed and
pointed out that the question would be timelier after the Council’s
retreat.
Councilmember Swarthout offered that climate change would be a
priority moving forward. Another issue is funding another position
to focus on climate change because the existing staff position is
responsible for both sustainability and climate change. The Council
should consider budgeting another position focused only on climate
change.
Councilmember Althauser said the work plan item for the parks and
open space element lacks a long-range plan for the golf course. The
property will be paid in full in the next several years and a community
conversation is warranted to discuss whether to retain the property
as a golf course or consider another use of the property.
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Councilmember Cathey expressed some reservation with the
suggestion as it speaks to a topic that she believes is important for
both the Council and the Commission to consider. One of the
challenges next year and beyond is to ensure efforts on economic
development align with the environment. Today, the planet is facing
a climate crisis and efforts and actions by the Council must be
balanced. The golf course is an environmental issue with a river
running through the property. Decisions by the Council,
Commission, and planning staff for the future must be balanced
recognizing the climate crisis in all decisions.
If adjustments to the 2024 long range work program are needed, what
projects have less priority?
The Council supported deferring the question until after the Council’s
retreat.
Manager Medrud reported the General Government Committee is scheduled
to receive a briefing as a follow-up on the discussion in January. Staff will
then seek approval of the Work Program at the Council’s January 16, 2024
meeting. The Work Program can also be amended at any time.
2025 Manager Medrud referred to the survey documents contained in the agenda
COMPREHENSIVE packet.
PLAN PERIODIC
UPDATE – SURVEY Commissioner Tobias inquired about the date the survey closes. Manager
SNAPSHOT: Medrud advised that staff is coordinating the date but that the survey would
likely close in January based on the response rate.
Councilmember Dahlhoff questioned how staff plans to aggregate the survey
data based on conflicting responses. Manager Medrud advised that the
purpose of the survey is soliciting opinions, which may often be conflicting.
Staff plans to compile the data to produce a concise and comprehensible
synopsis of the survey results.
Councilmember Althauser asked whether survey responses would be
weighted based on specific demographics. Manager Medrud explained that
the request is likely beyond the scope of the contract; however, the contractor
and staff will strive to quantify survey data.
Commissioner Tobias inquired as to whether the City measures the
immediate impact of certain projects, Comprehensive Plan amendments, or
areas of prioritization. He cited the example of measuring outcomes by
allowing more accessory dwelling units or increasing housing density.
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Councilmember Swarthout added that it would also be important to ascertain
the cost to the City versus the benefit of the Council’s action to offer a
property tax exemption program for some housing. The City adopted the
program many years ago and it is only recently that some developers are
beginning to take advantage of the program. It would be important to provide
information to the Council on the cost/benefit aspect of the program.
MAYOR/CITY Mayor Sullivan reminded the Council that the December 19, 2023 Council
ADMINISTRATOR’S meeting and the December 26, 2023 Council worksession have been
REPORT: cancelled. She conveyed wishes for Councilmembers and Commissioners to
enjoy the holidays.
In response to previous questions from Councilmembers Agabi and Cathey,
Mayor Sullivan advised the ordinance to amend Tumwater Municipal Code
on public parks is scheduled for discussion by the Council in January on the
approach for community involvement.
City Administrator Parks added that staff is working on providing accurate
information to communicate to the community and to many community
members who have communicated with the City to include recommendations
on timing and the methodology for communicating with the community.
Staff will present a recommended strategy on communicating with the public
and alternatives for the Council to consider with respect to the direction of
the ordinance.
Commissioner Dahlhoff noted that the timing of the City’s process should
consider the status of the appeal of the Ninth Circuit Court decision as the
appeal process could change outcomes. Mayor Sullivan said the pending
appeal would be included in the Council’s discussions.
Commissioner Agabi recommended scheduling a public hearing to receive
testimony that could be presented and considered by the Council during its
discussions. Mayor Sullivan said staff efforts are focused on determining the
type of community engagement as it could include scheduling a public
hearing or hosting an open house. Staff is working on those details for the
Council’s conversations in January.
ADJOURNMENT: With there being no further business, Mayor Sullivan adjourned the
meeting at 7:13 p.m.
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Agenda
JOINT COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION
MEETING AGENDA
Online via Zoom and In Person at
Tumwater Fire Department
Headquarters, Training Room, 311 Israel
Rd. SW, Tumwater, WA 98501
Tuesday, December 12, 2023
6:00 PM
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. 2024 Long Range Planning Work Program (Brad Medrud)
4. 2025 Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update – Survey Snapshot (Brad Medrud)
5. Mayor/City Administrator's Report
6. Adjourn
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