Parks & Recreation Commission
Regular MeetingTumwater, WA · October 16, 2024
Minutes
TUMWATER PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
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CONVENE: 7:00 p.m.
PRESENT: Chair Erin Carrier and Commissioners Mike Culley, Shane Harrington, Joe
Munro, and Charlie Schneider.
Excused Absence: Commissioners Amy Hargrove and Joel Hecker.
Staff: Parks and Recreation Director Chuck Denney, Golf Operations
Manager Tyler Trimble, and Volunteer Coordinator Brianna Feller.
CHANGES TO A discussion was added on community center design stakeholders.
AGENDA:
APPROVAL OF
MINUTES PARKS &
RECREATION
COMMISSION
MEETING MINUTES:
APRIL 17, 2024:
MOTION: Commissioner Culley moved, seconded by Commissioner Schneider,
to approve the minutes of April 17, 2024 as published. Motion carried
unanimously.
APPROVAL OF
PARKS &
RECREATION
COMMISSION
MEETING MINUTES:
SEPTEMBER 18, 2024:
MOTION: Commissioner Harrington moved, seconded by Commissioner
Schneider, to approve the minutes of September 18, 2024 as published.
Motion carried unanimously.
PUBLIC COMMENT: Debbie Boos said she recently learned of the plan to add a pickleball court
at the new Trails End Park. She asked the Commission to consider the
adverse effects of the court to the neighborhood as pickleball court noise is
well documented. The surrounding quiet neighborhoods will be subject to
an unwanted and noisy Operations and Maintenance Facility (O&M) in
addition to the pickleball court. Numerous documents address the issues
associated pickleball court noise. She asked whether the City has
considered other options and whether it is possible to reconsider the
proposal by including other alternatives such as pollinator gardens or
plantings. The park will also be near a large parking lot. A pickleball
court would attract players who live outside of Tumwater. The Trails End
Park is designated as a neighborhood park serving local neighborhoods.
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Attracting more people from outside the area would only increase parking
congestion. She cited information stating how pickleball noise can be a
problem for neighborhoods because it can be loud, unpredictable, and
disruptive. The sound of a pickleball hitting the paddle can be as high as
85 decibels. By comparison, a tennis ball is 40 decibels. She is a
pickleball player and has nothing against the sport other than the court
would be in the wrong location. The fast-paced nature of the game
involves players who are constantly exchanging balls emitting a mid-
frequency sound as they contact with the paddle. The noise generated is
part of the sound spectrum of most sensitivity to humans. The constant
popping sound can be grating and annoying. Pickleball noise is known to
cause neighborhood quarrels, lawsuits, 911 calls, court closures, sleepless
nights, anxiety, and psychological distress. Much documentation is
available on issues caused by pickleball courts. The neighborhood will
also have to contend with the noise generated from the new O&M facility.
She asked that the neighborhood be afforded a break because neighbors do
not need a pickleball court in the new neighborhood park. Director
Denney has indicated that pickleball courts at two other City parks have
not created any issues; however, it does not need to be included in the new
park. The neighborhood is requesting the Commission consider another
alternative.
Chair Carrier said the Commission considered the designation of the park
as a neighborhood park and intentionally did not include more than one
pickleball court because the Commission did not want to draw visitors
from outside the area. The intent was to provide a court for local residents.
Her mother is an avid pickleball player and frequently plays on the courts
at Rainier Vista Park. Parks with only one court are not used as frequently
as they cannot accommodate large groups of players. She asked Director
Denney about the status of the design process for the park.
Director Denney advised that the master plan for the park has been
approved. Construction is not scheduled until 2026 through 2027. It is
possible to review the plans at that time as the design of the park was based
on a balance of both active and passive recreation. He acknowledged that
pickleball courts can create problems in terms of the sound frequency
emitted from the ball as it hits the paddle. Lawsuits have been filed
nationwide against cities that have included pickleball courts in parks.
When the City is ready to move forward with construction, more
information will become available on the outcome of some of the lawsuits.
The US Pickleball Association is considering a different type of ball that
generates a different noise.
Ms. Boos noted the availability of numerous pickleball courts located
throughout the region. Neighbors will have to contend with noise
generated by truck backup alarms at the new O&M facility as well.
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Commissioner Culley added that during outreach sessions to the
neighborhood for the new park, Commissioners queried neighbors living
around the park as to amenities they wanted included in the park. Many
neighbors voted on a variety of amenities. The park is scheduled to be
developed in phases, affording an opportunity to reconsider changes to the
master plan for the park. He suggested the neighborhood could also
consider initiating a petition opposing the placement of a pickleball court
for submittal to the Commission.
PARKS AND Director Denney advised of the balance remaining from the Commission’s
RECREATION budget. At the last meeting, the Commission approved expenditures
COMMISSION totaling $36,800 for parks and recreation activities and items.
BUDGET:
Commissioner Munro asked about any potential resale value or donation
opportunities for the screen. Director Denney described the condition of
the screen held together with Gorilla tape. The department considered
donating the screen to a smaller parks department. Staff plans to discuss
options with the City of Tenino for reusing the screen.
Commissioner Culley inquired as to whether the department pursued
competitive bidding for the screen as $18,000 is a significant amount of the
budget. Director Denney advised that the market is limited with two
companies offering screens. The original screen cost $18,000 12 years
ago. Staff selected a different type of screen that can withstand winds up to
35 MPH with the current screen only withstanding winds up to 7 MPH.
During the National Recreation & Park Association conference, event
special offers are featured. Staff is working to secure special pricing for
the purchase of the new screen. The old screen dimension was 18’ x 24’.
He supports purchasing a 24’ x 24’ screen with staff preferring a smaller
screen because of the difficulty of setup and removal.
Director Denney reported the Commission’s remaining budget is $3,200.
The Commission has the option of reconsidering items deferred at the last
meeting or identifying new items. One new item is a park trailer added by
the new Parks Manager. The department’s park trailer was purchased in
2008. Staff recently discovered a bent axle. At this time, the department
lacks the funds to replace the trailer.
Commissioner Culley inquired about any potential needs for the Old Town
Center. Director Denney advised that the department is not investing in
the building because the building will be vacated in the next several years.
Director Denney identified unfunded purchase options for consideration:
• Gate Improvements @ Golf Course - $4,700
• Picnic Tables (4) – $2,800
• Soccer Goals @ Pioneer Park (2) - $7,800
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• Shade Table @ Historical Park - $6,200 each
• Trail Benches at Tumwater Hill Park (2) - $1,600
• Parks Trailer - $5,343
Commissioners discussed funding options.
MOTION: Commissioner Schneider moved, seconded by Commissioner
Harrington, to purchase four trail benches for Tumwater Hill Park.
Motion carried unanimously.
TUMWATER Golf Operations Manager Trimble provided an update on the Tumwater
VALLEY GOLF Valley Golf Course.
COURSE UPDATE:
The City purchased the golf course in 1995. The course offers
championship tees, 9 and 18 holes of golf, multiple tee boxes,
accommodates skill levels for all ages, covered and uncovered driving
ranges, and features multiple special events.
Improvements in 2023 and 2024 included the lease of 60 new GPS-enabled
golf carts. Planned improvements include rebuilding the junior tee in the
driving range behind the cart barn, renovation of the bunkers, improving
the range, and maintaining and improving existing assets.
Management changes occurred in 2023/2024 with Manager Dave
Nickerson retiring. The core staff includes the Operations Manager,
Operations Supervisor, and Operations Coordinator. The golf course
employs 14 inside seasonal employees during the summer months and 15
external services employees. Maintenance is supported by 12 seasonal
employees. The course relies heavily on high school and college students
and the retired community when students are attending school.
The City collaborated with the LOTT Clean Water Alliance in early 2000s
to provide the course with reclaimed water for irrigation. Last year, the
course suffered a pump failure. The City replaced the pumps with variable
pumps to reduce pressure through controlled flows through the pipes.
Events hosted at the golf course included:
• 8th Annual Junior Open Tournament with 104 junior golfers in
April 2024
• O Bee Junior Open
• WIAA High School State Championships
• TOGETHER!
• Several high school district tournaments
• Washington Junior Golf Association events
• Tumwater Chamber Golf Tournament
• 2 Mid-Washington Senior events
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• July 4th Tumwater Family Festival & Nisqually Red Wind Casino
Fireworks Show
• Screen on the Green Outdoor Movie Series
• 2024 Tumwater Artesian Brewfest
For the ninth consecutive year, the golf course continues to offer First Tee
Junior golf. This year, 375 young golfers played with an average of 300
youths served annually. The Valley Golf Academy manages a large
portion of golf instruction overseen by Operations Supervisor Russ Olsen.
He manages the Special Olympics, Big Brothers Big Sisters, local charter
school PE classes, and Tumwater and Olympia Parks classes in the
summer and in the fall. The golf course hosts the PGA Junior League.
Most of the participants are from the First Tee program. The League
hosted 40 youths. The golf course committed to another four years of
hosting the WIAA State Golf Tournament hosting approximately 100
youths over three events. Last year, the golf course launched the South
Puget Sound Community College Program for men and women golfers.
Golf Superintendent Thompson was instrumental in starting the first Green
Program of STEM classes for Tumwater School District students.
Manager Trimble shared several financial graphs depicting the percentage
of operational costs recovered annually from 1996 to year-to-date 2024 and
operations without depreciation. He reviewed a graph reflecting the
number of rounds and revenue generated annually from 2018 to the
present. Rounds of golf have increased substantially especially in 2020
when rounds increased by 10,000 despite the golf course closure for nearly
six weeks because of the pandemic. Attaining over 50,000 rounds is
substantial and depends heavily on staff and the course. The golf course
continues to increase revenue exceeding $1 million annually.
Commissioner Culley added that in conjunction with the investments in the
golf course beginning in 2017 in new equipment, changes in the
organizational structure, signage, and new programs, revenues have
continued to increase in addition to the number of rounds.
Manager Trimble responded to questions and explained that a round of
golf can be 9 holes or 18 holes. Each one is counted as one round. Each
golfer receives a sleeve of balls with each round booked. The golf course
has been the top seller of golf balls north of San Francisco for the last four
years. The golf course partnership with Acushnet Company, Titleist Golf,
and FootJoy ensures the Pro Shop is the first to receive new golf products.
Golf balls inscribed with Tumwater Valley Golf Course have been found
across the world. Many people from other golf courses across the world
often take photos of the ball and send them to the golf course. Pictures
received by the course are displayed in the Pro Shop.
COMMUNITY Director Denney reported the first Steering Committee meeting and the
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CENTER DESIGN public open house on the community center design are scheduled on
STAKEHOLDERS: Monday, October 21, 2024. The open house will be in the cafeteria at
Tumwater Middle School. He requested the participation of three
Commissioners on the Steering Committee and suggested the Chair should
service on the committee as she has previously participated in a similar
process. Commissioner Hargrove has indicated she is unable to serve
because of scheduling conflicts.
Commissioners Harrington and Schneider conveyed interest in serving.
Chair Carrier added that Commissioner Hecker also expressed interest in
serving. Director Denney noted that membership on the committee is
limited to three Commissioners to avoid establishing a quorum of the
Commission during a committee meeting.
Chair Carrier affirmed she would provide a recommendation to staff on the
appointment of the remaining two Commissioners after the meeting.
Director Denney noted that the function of Commissioners on the
committee is to serve as the advocate for parks and recreation and meeting
the needs of the City. Other members of the steering committee include
representatives from the YMCA, advocates for a social service center,
advocates for seniors, and advocates for youth sports.
OTHER BUSINESS: Volunteer Coordinator Feller announced the Talking Headstones Tour
& Cemetery Dedication at 12:00 p.m. on Saturday, October 19, 2024 at the
Union Pioneer Calvary Cemetery. The Daughters of the American
Revolution and the Sons of the American Revolution volunteered 500
hours to clean, restore, and level all 221 headstones in the cemetery. The
dedication ceremony will recognize the work of the volunteers and provide
an opportunity to learn about the history of the cemetery and those buried
in the cemetery. The event will feature 3 minutes of history at 8 different
headstones on information about the individual and their historical
connection to the City. The event is free and open to the public.
Director Denney reported on improvements to the cemetery over the last
several years. A master plan for the cemetery was completed in 1996.
Many of the recommendations have not been completed because of the
lack of funding. Recent grant funds in addition to some City funds enabled
installation of new fencing on three sides of the cemetery. The
complicated installation involved tomography, radar, and LiDAR of the
ground to locate unmarked graves surrounding the cemetery. To obtain the
necessary permits for the project, ground-penetrating radar was necessary
to locate all unmarked graves. The master plan includes replacement of
the front fence with brick columns and wrought iron (aluminum) fencing,
interpretive signage, security lighting, and landscaping between the fence
and Littlerock Road.
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Commissioner Culley inquired about the status of the Brewmaster’s House.
Director Denney advised that all repair work has been completed to replace
wallpaper, floors, electrical, lighting, and heating. Commissioner Culley
suggested scheduling a visit to the house in November. Director Denney
advised that a tour could be scheduled for Commissioners.
Director Denney reported on work scheduled to begin on the Crosby
House to replace the roof, gutters, foundation repairs, painting, and new
siding at a cost of $300,000.
NEXT MEETING The next meeting is scheduled on November 20, 2024. Director Denney
DATE: advised of no meeting topics at this time for the November meeting;
however, an update on the status of the 2025-2026 City Budget could be
scheduled.
ADJOURNMENT: Commissioner Culley moved, seconded by Commissioner Harrington,
to adjourn the meeting at 7:52 p.m. Motion carried unanimously.
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Agenda
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
MEETING AGENDA
Online via Zoom and In Person at
Tumwater City Hall, Council Chambers,
555 Israel Rd. SW, Tumwater, WA 98501
Wednesday, October 16, 2024
7:00 PM
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Changes to Agenda
4. Approval of Minutes
a. Parks & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - 04/17/2024
b. Parks & Recreation Commission Meeting Minutes - 09/18/2024
5. Public Comment
6. Parks and Recreation Commission Budget
7. Tumwater Valley Golf Course Update
8. Next Meeting Date - 11/20/2024
9. Adjourn
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