Public Health & Safety Committee
Regular MeetingTumwater, WA · February 11, 2025
Minutes
TUMWATER PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE
MINUTES OF VIRTUAL MEETING
FEBRUARY 11, 2025 Page 1
CONVENE: 8:01 a.m.
PRESENT: Chair Peter Agabi and Councilmembers Leatta Dahlhoff and Kelly
Von Holtz.
Staff: City Administrator Lisa Parks, City Attorney Karen
Kirkpatrick, Fire Chief Brian Hurley, Information Technology
Department Director Lance Inman, Deputy Fire Chief Shawn
Crimmins, Deputy Police Chief Jay Mason, Police Lieutenant Jennifer
Kolb, Police Lieutenant Carlos Quiles Jr., and Police Administrative
Supervisor Laura Wohl.
APPROVAL OF
MINUTES:
PUBLIC HEALTH &
SAFETY COMMITTEE,
JANUARY 14, 2025:
MOTION: Councilmember Dahlhoff moved, seconded by Councilmember
Von Holtz, to approve the minutes of January 14, 2025 as
presented. A voice vote approved the motion unanimously.
INTERLOCAL Fire Chief Hurley reported the funding agreement is one of two
AGREEMENT WITH primary agreements with Thurston County Medic One. The other
THURSTON COUNTY agreement is the Advanced Life Support (ALS) providing paramedic
FOR BASIC LIFE services. The proposed agreement cover basic life support (BLS)
SUPPORT FUNDING: services in support of Emergency Medical Technicians and other fire
personnel providing emergency medical services. BLS services
support units responding to all calls with additional response by
Paramedics to more serious calls.
The City’s agreement with Medic One through the countywide EMS
levy supports the Tumwater Fire Department to provide BLS services.
Two components of the agreement include supplies and equipment for
the provision of basic medical services at a cost of $65,000 in 2024.
The second component of the agreement is a payment the City receives
from Medic One based on a per capita call volume basis. In 2024, the
payment was approximately $65,000. Payments are based on previous
year’s EMS call volume. The call volume in 2025 is unknown but
would likely be higher than in 2024.
The term of the agreement is a five years with an option to extend the
agreement for two additional years. The request to the committee is to
recommend placement of the Interlocal Agreement with Thurston
County for Basic Life Support Funding on the February 18, 2025 City
Council Consent Calendar with a recommendation to approve and
TUMWATER PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE
MINUTES OF VIRTUAL MEETING
FEBRUARY 11, 2025 Page 2
authorize the Mayor to sign the agreement in substantially similar form
as approved by the City Attorney. Fire Chief Hurley invited questions.
Councilmember Dahlhoff asked about the potential impact to the City
if the agreement did not exist. Fire Chief Hurley responded that over
80% of services provided by the fire department are in response to
medical calls. BLS response is provided for all emergency medical
calls. Lacking the funding, the City would need to fund the equipment
and supplies required for BLS response.
Chair Agabi referred to the fiscal amounts in the agreement and
questioned whether the call volume is factored on a specific number of
calls anticipated in 2025. Fire Chief Hurley responded that 12 agencies
in Thurston County share in the funding. The Fire Department reviews
annual call volume. Thurston County allocates funds based on the
distribution of calls to the 12 agencies. The amount will increase
slightly in 2025 for the direct payment.
MOTION: Councilmember Von Holtz moved, seconded by Councilmember
Dahlhoff, to place the Interlocal Agreement with Thurston County
for Basic Life Support Funding on the February 18, 2025 City
Council Consent Calendar with a recommendation to approve and
authorize the Mayor to sign the agreement in substantially similar
form as approved by the City Attorney.. A voice vote approved
the motion unanimously.
POLICE BODY Deputy Police Chief Mason reported the Council approved the
CAMERA AND IN-CAR purchase of body-worn and in-car cameras in the 2025-2026 budget.
CAMERA Preliminary considerations in designing the program are staffing levels
IMPLEMENTATION and direct needs for oversight and technical support to ensure a
PLAN: successful program. Previously, the police department staffed
appropriate technical support but not necessarily at the leadership or
supervision level. The plan includes a component of community
engagement and Council engagement for expectations of the program.
It is important to consider concerns and positives to include within the
program to ensure its success. The plan includes equipment
identification and the procurement process, policy, training, and the
project launch.
The budget approved staffing costs for an Administrative Sergeant and
a Police Service Specialist effective July 1, 2025.
Development of the timeline included meeting with partner agencies
that have implemented and deployed a body-worn camera program.
Staff contacted Lacey, Olympia, and Yelm Police Departments and the
Thurston County Sheriff’s Office. The agencies provided information
on their respective programs. Lacey and Yelm Police Departments
TUMWATER PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE
MINUTES OF VIRTUAL MEETING
FEBRUARY 11, 2025 Page 3
indicated the implementation process spanned a year with Olympia
Police Department and Thurston County Sheriff’s Office requiring 18
months to implement. Thurston County is transitioning to a different
camera vendor with the Sheriff’s Office anticipating a 12-month
process despite having existing policies and infrastructure in place.
Staff identified 21 tasks for implementation within the process
covering a span of 45 months; however, implementation will be
shortened recognizing the number of steps necessary to implement the
plan. Staff initiated implementation in January 2025 with full
deployment targeted in June through August 2026. Deputy Police
Chief Mason shared and described the timeline of implementation
tasks from January 2025 through August 2026.
Staff plans to explore efficiencies throughout the implementation of
the program recognizing that many tasks require adequate time. The
first task is recruitment of IT staff and establishing a promotional list
for the Sargent position. In the second quarter of 2025, the schedule
calls for filling the position to include contracting with a project
manager to assist in navigating the selection, procurement, and
implementation activities. Other input from agencies stressed the
importance of camera vendors providing demonstrations, which can
require three months to schedule due to rapid changes in technology
and demands on vendors from other agencies across the country. The
department’s contracts are small compared to other contracts vendors
are negotiating with other law enforcement agencies across the
country. Another surprising aspect of the process was the length of
time to secure the equipment as experienced by other departments after
the final selection. Each agency spoke to several months before all
equipment was received.
The schedule identifies timing for initiating the program, which is
based on a conservative estimate with a goal to adjust the schedule to
the extent possible. Additionally, the department is undertaking
deployment of the new records management system. The police
department is the lead entity for implementation of the new system
within the regional consortium of six agencies. The implementation
plan covers a span of 18 months. Currently, agencies are formalizing
a regional SWAT Team with Tumwater Police Department serving as
the lead for establishing the team and the governance structure. The
department is also deploying a communications plan developed from
the department’s strategic plan to improve communications with the
community.
As the program nears completion, staff must also consider facility
needs for new staff. The department is currently staffed at maximum
capacity within its allocated building space. Additional staff to support
TUMWATER PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE
MINUTES OF VIRTUAL MEETING
FEBRUARY 11, 2025 Page 4
the program will require office space. The City is working to secure
additional facilities for the department later in the year. The most
critical component of implementing the program is ensuring adequate
staffing is in place. Although the budget for the IT position is effective
January 1, 2025, hiring of the position has been delayed because some
differences in the position title. The IT and HR Departments are
working to finalize the position description and advertise the position.
Staff does not anticipate filling the position until later in the first
quarter or at the beginning of the second quarter.
Deputy Police Chief Mason invited questions.
Councilmember Von Holtz asked about the number of agencies in
Thurston County that have deployed body-worn cameras. Deputy
Police Chief Mason said the cities of Lacey, Olympia, and Yelm,
Thurston County, and The Evergreen State College have instituted
body-worn cameras. Councilmember Von Holtz suggested following
up with the agencies to assist the department in accelerating the
program. Deputy Police Chief Mason concurred that some aspects of
each agency’s experience could assist the department in reducing time
recognizing that the department’s request for proposal (RFP) process
is different due to the size of the contract, required tasks, and City
procedures.
Councilmember Dahlhoff asked about the timing if the
implementation plan was less conservative. Deputy Police Chief
Mason responded that an aggressive timeline would likely require 12
months following the hiring of the sergeant position. Councilmember
Dahlhoff asked that the committee receive a copy of a more aggressive
timeline as the two-year timeline is too lengthy. Staff could also
identify tasks that could be removed to reduce the timeline while still
meeting the metrics of the program. Additionally, she questioned
whether the purpose of implementing the regional records
management system was to provide regional access to information for
agencies in the county.
Supervisor Wohl explained that the regional records management
system was initiated in part to share data across the jurisdictions.
However, each jurisdiction is able to operate the system differently to
adhere to the needs of each community and workflow. Several
different pieces of the system are not shared. One example is the
evidence module used by two agencies while other agencies use
another module based on needs of each department. The same concept
applies to cameras, as each community is different. The department’s
current vendor offers a full camera system of both in-car and body-
worn cameras. The vendor will be invited to bid on the RFP. Agencies
TUMWATER PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE
MINUTES OF VIRTUAL MEETING
FEBRUARY 11, 2025 Page 5
currently using body-worn cameras have contracted with two different
agencies.
Councilmember Von Holtz questioned the response rate to an
emergency event that includes another law enforcement agency and
the benefits if each agency was outfitted with the same type of body
cameras. Supervisor Wohl advised that although some agencies may
use the same camera system, each department has an independent
database for the camera system. In moving forward with 365LABS,
the police department is building interfaces with the various camera
systems for agencies that have requested them, which requires a
different interface for each police department using the same system.
The systems cannot be shared as the cameras store digital evidence that
is not shared between agencies.
Councilmember Dahlhoff asked whether staff is aware of the market
presence of 365LABS for vehicle or body-worn cameras. Supervisor
Wohl said the systems have been on the market for several years;
however, the systems are the company’s secondary product line.
Chair Agabi questioned the timing for the needs assessment. It appears
the hiring is the first step prior to completing the needs assessment.
Supervisor Wohl responded that the needs assessment is complex and
detailed. The department identified the need for a body camera system
that ties in with mobile videos. The RFP documents define the
specifications required of the camera system to ensure systems will
meet the department’s needs.
Chair Agabi asked whether camera footage from police responses on
the scene automatically transmits to City Hall as a live feed or whether
the video data is stored and processed later. Deputy Police Chief
Mason advised that current technology would enable a live feed to the
department dependent on policy and negotiations with the Police
Guild. Downloading data at the station is another option. The needs
assessment will evaluate the level of technology that could be utilized
and whether the department wants specific capabilities. He shared
some examples of specific capabilities of camera systems. Many
body-worn cameras are also automatic license plate readers with the
license plate processed while the officer is on the site. The needs
assessment identifies technology capabilities and determines what is
best for the community.
Councilmember Von Holtz agreed with Chair Agabi, as she believes
the need assessment should be completed during the recruitment
process. She asked how new officers participating in the basic law
enforcement academy are receiving training on body-worn cameras
and the type of equipment used in the training. Deputy Police Chief
TUMWATER PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE
MINUTES OF VIRTUAL MEETING
FEBRUARY 11, 2025 Page 6
Mason offered to follow up with the information after contacting the
academy.
Councilmember Dahlhoff commented on her understanding of the
complexity of Tumwater and the nuances, inputs, and outputs of the
process. She supports the department in this particular endeavor and
asked how the committee could help the department with the policies
to ensure the department is successful. As the timeline is linear, the
department should consider how the actions could be completed
concurrently as the timeline is extensive and results in hiring staff
nearly one year prior to implementing the system. She requested a
quarterly updates to track progress on the timeline and offered to
participate in the vendor demonstrations. She recommended inviting
the Council to participate in the demonstrations to share information
about the nuances the department is experiencing and how staff is
adapting the systems to meet Tumwater needs. She supports the
department’s project and requested feedback on ways the committee
can support efforts to shorten the timeline and schedule tasks
concurrently to the degree possible. She obtained policies from the
cities of Lacey, Olympia, and Yelm and Thurston County Sheriff’s
Office and suggested the committee work with staff on drafting the
policies to compare with the different policies.
ADDITIONAL ITEMS: Councilmember Dahlhoff referred to recent activity at the federal level
and questioned the City’s stance on immigration policies. Previously,
Police Chief Weiks stressed that the Tumwater Police Department
would not interact with ICE. She asked that the committee receive an
update at the next meeting on the City’s immigration policy.
City Administrator Parks responded that in terms of a general
administrative position, staff is monitoring and observing. Staff is also
communicating with colleagues and partners. In 2017, the Council
adopted a resolution on the City’s immigration position. The City
follows the policies previously adopted.
City Attorney Kirkpatrick advised of the process undertaken by the
Council several years ago. Federal orders issued in 2017 have been
reissued by the new Administration. The Council adopted Resolution
R2017-004 Commitment to Diversity and Safety addressing
immigration situations. The resolution remains in effect today with
procedures remaining the same as well.
Councilmember Dahlhoff recommended sharing the information with
the community and within the City.
Councilmember Von Holtz cited recent social media reports of ICE
personnel appearing at Home Depot, Costco, and Walmart in
TUMWATER PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE
MINUTES OF VIRTUAL MEETING
FEBRUARY 11, 2025 Page 7
Tumwater. To manage expectations and limit fear, the City should
have released information shortly after all the social media coverage.
She recommended including the resolution on an agenda to remind the
community of the City’s policies. She visited the businesses after
learning about the comments and observed no presence of ICE
personnel at any of those businesses in the City. It is important to halt
a rumor mill before it escalates to something more serious.
City Administrator Parks advised that staff discussed the matter with
the Mayor and agreed existing policies should stand recognizing that
communicating with the public more frequently would be helpful.
ADJOURNMENT: With there being no further business, Chair Agabi adjourned the
meeting at 8:50 a.m.
Prepared by Valerie L. Gow, Recording Secretary/President
Puget Sound Meeting Services, psmsoly@earthlink.net
Agenda
PUBLIC HEALTH & SAFETY COMMITTEE
MEETING AGENDA
Online via Zoom and In Person at
Tumwater City Hall, Council Conference
Room, 555 Israel Rd. SW, Tumwater, WA
98501
Tuesday, February 11, 2025
8:00 AM
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Approval of Minutes: Public Health & Safety Committee, January 14, 2025
4. Interlocal Agreement with Thurston County for Basic Life Support Funding (Fire Department)
5. Police Body Camera and In-car Camera Implementation Plan (Police Department)
6. Additional Items
7. Adjourn
Meeting Information
All committee members will be attending remotely. The public are welcome to attend in person, by
telephone or online via Zoom.
Watch Online
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/82817356852?pwd=ZaFUFUBSw5KmLavxuJaYYvb1hg8FH6.1
Listen by Telephone
Call (253) 215-8782, listen for the prompts and enter the Webinar ID 828 1735 6852 and Passcode
175597.
Public Comment
The public may submit comments by sending an email to council@ci.tumwater.wa.us, no later than
5:00 p.m. the day before the meeting. Comments are submitted directly to the Committee members
and will not be read individually into the record of the meeting.
Post Meeting
Video of this meeting will be recorded and posted on our City Meeting page: https://tumwater-
wa.municodemeetings.com.
Accommodations
The City of Tumwater takes pride in ensuring that people with disabilities are able to take part in, and
benefit from, the range of public programs, services, and activities offered by the City. To request an
accommodation or alternate format of communication, please contact the City’s ADA Coordinator
directly, call (360) 754-4129 or email ADACoordinator@ci.tumwater.wa.us. For vision or hearing
impaired services, please contact the Washington State Relay Services at 7-1-1 or 1-(800)-833-6384.
Get email alerts for Tumwater
A daily email when new agendas and minutes are posted.