Regional Fire Authority Planning Committee
Regular MeetingTumwater, WA · July 25, 2022
Minutes
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CONVENE: 5:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Chair/City of Tumwater Councilmember Leatta Dahlhoff, Vice
Chair/Olympia Councilmember Yến Huỳnh, Tumwater Councilmember
Michael Althauser, Olympia Councilmembers Jim Cooper, Tumwater
Councilmember Eileen Swarthout, Tumwater Fire Chief Brian Hurley
Olympia, Tumwater Fire Union Representative/Paramedic Lieutenant James
Osberg, Olympia Interim Fire Chief Todd Carson, and Tumwater Fire Union
Representative/Firefighter Steven Busz.
Excused: Olympia Councilmember Lisa Parshley.
Staff: Tumwater City Administrator John Doan, Olympia City Manager Jay
Burney, Olympia City Attorney Mark Barber, Tumwater Communications
Manager Ann Cook, and Tumwater Fire Department Administrative
Assistant Erika Stone.
Others: Karen Meyer, The Athena Group; Karen Reed, RFA Consultant Bill
Cushman, Fiscal Analyst, and Neil Blindheim, FBC Consultant.
WELCOME, Chair Dahlhoff welcomed everyone to the meeting.
AGENDA & SCHEDULE
RECAP: Karen Reed reviewed the agenda. The committee approved a minor
reordering of agenda items to accommodate schedules.
DECISION: Ms. Reed reviewed the request for the committee to agree on the governance
GOVERNANCE - model to present to the councils on August 9, 2022 and to share with the
CONFIRMING community during the public meeting on August 15, 2022.
COMMITTEE’S OPTION The initial RFA board must be comprised of city elected officials. The city
RECOMMENDATION: councils conveyed support for the committee’s recommendation of an initial
board with 3 councilmembers from each city. The initial board will serve
from August 2023 through December 2025. The first election cycle for
directly elected board members will be in 2024. Both councils expressed
support for moving to a 7-member structure.
Ms. Reed reviewed the governance options presented to the councils and the
tally of votes reflecting majority support for Option 4 comprised of 7 seats
with membership of 1 councilmember from each city and 5 fire
commissioners. Alternatively Option 3 was supported by several
councilmembers comprised of 7 seats with membership of 2
councilmembers from each city and 3 fire commissioners.
Ms. Reed queried members on their preference of an option.
Chair Dahlhoff summarized feedback from the Tumwater City Council with
most supporting either Option 3 or 4 with the sticking point centered on
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majority council or majority fire commissioners. She personally prefers
Option 4 as it would represent both communities equally but she also
understands the concerns of representation by each jurisdiction.
Councilmember Huỳnh supported moving forward with Option 4 for many
of the same reasons and as discussed at previous meetings.
Councilmember Althauser said Option 3 or 4 would likely be successful but
he prefers Option 3 (60/40) because including more councilmembers is
preferred by the public because they perceive councils as more
knowledgeable in establishing policies and services for fire services based
on his sense from conversations with neighbors and community members.
Both cities have done a good job of communicating to the public the
importance of services and the nexus between municipal governments,
public safety, and fire services.
Councilmember Cooper supported Option 3 as it would be more popular to
voters but he would also support the majority preference of Option 4.
Councilmember Swarthout favored Option 4 but asked about the possibility
of selecting Option 3 initially and transitioning to Option 4. Ms. Reed
replied that one option for the committee’s consideration is transitioning to
a 3-commissioner board and phasing out four councilmembers over time to
form a five-member commission board.
Councilmember Huỳnh said that knowing the initial board is comprised of
three councilmembers from each jurisdiction and transitioning to Option 3
might appear as a compromise to avoid making a decision. However, she
believes strongly in council representation but also believes more
representation in government is important by having a board that is
representative of the community. It is also likely fire commissioners would
be retired firefighters and others who have experience in the fire service. It
is for those reasons that she prefers Option 4.
Councilmember Cooper commented that regardless of the final
recommendation he prefers phasing council representation from 3 to 2 to 1
rather than a phasing immediately from a 3-council scenario to a 1-council
scenario.
Ms. Reed shared and described a chart depicting the phasing of Option 3 to
Option 4 over time. Achieving an ideal staggering pattern would be possible
by slowing the transition of council positions.
Members shared feedback on the option phasing chart:
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Firefighter Busz supported the phasing option and can appreciate diversity
in governance by have more elected at-large commissioners. He also
supports Option 4 but also questioned the purpose of forming the RFA if the
board is comprised of a majority of city governance.
Fire Lieutenant Osberg said that from a labor perspective he favors an option
with no council representation with an all elected board. In terms of Option
4 as discussed during previous meetings, he views that option as a
compromise. References to voter trust can be a positive or a negative
depending on how voters view councilmembers. However, he does not
believe that should be the driving force to select one option over another.
Fire Chief Hurley said he has gravitated to Option 4 for many of the same
reasons as previously stated. It would be important to have council involved
in the beginning while also having some concerns to ensure that
representation from Tumwater is consistent if the positions are appointed and
some members leave the Council.
Councilmember Cooper offered that the RFP Plan could include a provision
for appointment of councilmembers by each respective city council rather
than by the mayor.
Interim Fire Chief Carson conveyed appreciation for the discussion. Based
on prior conversations he shares some similar concerns surrounding
councilmember representation because of workload. Union members have
been clear that boardmembers should be intuitive and present and not
overburdened by other responsibilities. For those reasons, he prefers Option
4.
City Administrator Doan suggested another factor of consideration is the cost
associated for elected positions. The initial board is governed by the Council
and during that period the RFA organization would be established with
ongoing coordination and relationship with each city. The issue is whether
that continues at a significant level beyond the initial 2.5 years.
City Manager Burney said that based on the feedback from both councils,
the majority preferred Option 4. It appears the discussion is still focused on
Option 4 with an alternative of a six-year phasing plan for Option 4.
MOTION: Councilmember Althauser moved, seconded by Councilmember
Cooper, to recommend and endorse Option 4 with a six-year phase-in.
Motion carried 4-1. Councilmember Huỳnh voted against.
Chair Dahlhoff noted that Councilmember Parshley had previously
conveyed a preference for Option 4.
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Ms. Reed advised that the action would be included in the briefing to the
councils on August 9, 2022.
DISCUSSION: Tumwater Communications Manager Ann Cook presented a draft of key
KEY MESSAGES - messages to the community. Key messages convey information to target
REVIEW OF PROPOSED audience (residents and businesses) and should be concise, active, positive,
MESSAGES: clear, honest, and specific.
Four key messages with additional bullet points supporting the messages
were drafted:
• Fire and emergency medical services are among the most important
services we provide to our residents.
• Providing 21st Century fire and emergency services to a growing
community
• Firefighters and their unions are involved in the planning and are in
support of the RFA.
• RFAs use a different funding model than City fire departments.
Comments and suggestions offered by the committee included:
• Within the first key message include information that reflects how
level of service has eroded by growth and lack of funding.
• Emphasize how needs of the community are shifting and changing.
• Bullet points should be in “plain talk.”
• Describe unions as “labor unions.”
• Provide clarity that property tax is shifting from cities to the RFA.
• Spell out acronyms.
• Add that both labor unions support the merge into one organization.
• Emphasize how taxpayers will not pay twice.
• Ensure messaging is accurate because the committee has not agreed
to assess a hazardous surcharge.
The committee was encouraged to submit additional suggestions and
comments to staff by August 1, 2022 to enable an update of the messages for
presentation to the councils on August 9, 2022 and during the public meeting
on August 15, 2022.
Manager Cook advised that an existing Q&A will be revised based on
feedback from the committee. The committee’s website is located at
www.olympiatumwaterRFA.com.
Ms. Reed revisited the committee’s previous action on phasing and requested
input on how to frame phasing within the key messages. Councilmember
Swarthout suggested emphasizing how phasing benefits a smoother
transition moving forward.
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DISCUSSION: Ms. Reed advised that there are no recommended changes to the Fire Benefit
FBC FOLLOW-UP Charge (FBC) structure as previously reviewed other than additional
FROM JULY 11 - STAFF information is available on residential structures.
TEAM Q & A;
RECOMMENDATIONS Ms. Reed recapped prior information presented on RFA financing, RFA
DATA ON RANGE OF revenue sources, structure and purpose of FBC, and the FBC formula
FBC CHARGES FOR encompassing square footage, classifications, and weights for the different
RANGE OF classifications. The committee agreed to add a FBC as it avoids major cuts
RESIDENTIAL in operations and enables growth and increased level of service. The FBC
STRUCTURE SIZES: does not include a recommendation to include a hazardous surcharge.
Discounts would apply to all structures with sprinklers. Discounts have not
been factored in the FBC financial model but based on estimates would
represent a 2% reduction in FBC revenue for commercial uses only.
Discounts for residential have not been calculated because of the lack of data.
The consultant team can work on the calculations over the next month to
determine how discounts would affect the FBC model.
Ms. Reed reviewed follow-up questions by the committee and the team’s
response and recommendations:
Should a classification be included for residential hotels? Would
inclusion create a disincentive to convert those to apartments? The team
recommends against adding residential hotels. The apartment weight
proposed is 1.48. The smallest commercial category weight proposed is 1
(for structures under 5,000 square feet). Larger commercial structures are
weighted 1.5, 2, 3, 4, and 5. Only one hotel exists in the smallest category
(that would be less than an apartment). All other hotels would be weighted
more heavily than apartments. Overall, the team is very reluctant to add new
categories that are not found in other FBC structures, given the statutory
limitations and the scrutiny the changes might draw.
What about adding classifications for theatres and nightclubs? The team
recommends against this, as data are unavailable to support that the uses are
different from other similarly sized commercial structures. The team is not
aware of other jurisdictions creating similar classifications.
Instead of showing the average home size and related FBC, what is the
median home size and the FBC that would result from the proposed
formula? The team recommends using a home size example of 2,000 square
feet. The team will provide an online calculator so community members can
confirm their exact FBC based on their square footage.
How does the FBC increase for single family residences? A chart (to be
shared) shows how the FBC increases for single family residential structures.
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Are the mobile crisis units integrated into the proposed RFA
organization? No, it has never been part of the discussion. Those are fully
funded through separate means today but could be added to the RFA in the
future. Interim Fire Chief Carson noted that neither fire department has
vetted the addition of mobile crisis units because of the number of unknowns,
such as the potential of reimbursement through Medicaid. Until the
departments have had an opportunity to vet the service, he would recommend
against adding because of so many unanswered questions.
Should a communications staff position be added to the RFA structure?
The team recommends against this. Adequate staffing is in place to cover
those duties through other means. City Manager Burney said he believes the
RFA admin structure included some communications staff with initial
reliance on contracting communications services with agencies. Ms. Reed
noted that initially, the structure may have included those resources, but with
reductions in the admin structure, those resources were not included. City
Manager Burney suggested continuing discussions on adding some level of
a public information officer (PIO) in the RFA at the beginning based on the
volume of communications by each fire department with each community.
Staff agreed to pursue additional discussions. Councilmember Cooper
added that he believes the communications position should be an executive
level position.
Councilmember Cooper added that he believes several members were under
the impression that mobile crisis units were included within the RFA model.
He acknowledged that more time is required to explore options but urged
consideration for including the service because it provides medical response
for people experiencing a mental health crisis. He strongly believes that a
bare bones budget has been developed rather than engaging in a strategic
conversation about the levels of service the jurisdictions are seeking for the
new RFA, as current levels are not meeting needs. He acknowledged the
pending deadlines and does not want to belabor the issue but it continues to
be worrisome to him.
Ms. Reed contended that the concerns about the proposed level of service as
inadequate should entail a pause by the committee to consider how to fund
the desired level of service. The RFA includes funding for BLS Transport
and CARES units, which represent an increase in service levels that will
avoid further decline in response times. However, if the belief is that the
committee should aim for an even higher service level then that is a
significant change in what we have been working towards. It is important
that we are able to communicate accurately about what benefits the RFA will
provide. If the committee does not believe the proposal is one that they can
support in terms of service levels this needs to addressed.
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Fire Lieutenant Osberg conveyed some frustrations as the comments speak
to issues with service level the RFA would provide yet there are no plans in
either city to provide a better level of service than available today. At this
time, there is no plan to build a fire station. Although annexation will require
service, other areas are lacking services, such as west Olympia and other
areas near Tumwater. Neither jurisdiction is in a position to move forward
to add stations/services today. The RFA option is the pathway to create
financial solvency to begin making necessary improvements. It will take
several years to transition to the RFA but it would create a much better
managed program that is funded.
Councilmember Althauser agreed because he foresees the RFA as
establishing the policy and governance structure of a mechanism by which
the jurisdictions can achieve desired goals.
Councilmember Huỳnh agreed with the comments. The RFA will serve the
communities well. She expressed interest in learning more information
about the communications position discussion. She noted the City’s crisis
response unit has been very successful and has worked very hard to create
relationships with the community and works in tandem with police officers
and firefighters. She is not opposed to extending the unit to the RFA
recognizing more coordination would be necessary. She views the unit as
an extension perhaps serving a larger area with additional staff.
Councilmember Dahlhoff said the crisis response unit has been of foremost
importance to her from the beginning. It is another valuable component in
addition to the communications staff position. She suggested documenting
the comments and including them within the RFA document for messaging
and marketing.
Councilmember Cooper commented on efforts by the Olympia City Council
to establish a reserve account for apparatus and two EMS units. Both cities
have strong support from voters and both cities could likely seek a permanent
levy lid lift to operate the fire departments.
Ms. Reed thanked members for the feedback.
Ms. Reed reported the next discussion will focus on FBC costs and the RFA
funding schedule.
If approved by voters, the RFA will be established in August 2023. RFA
2023 costs are funded from the balance remaining in city fire department
budgets. In 2024, new RFA funding begins. The 2023-2024 city budgets
need to plan for the possibility of voter approval of the RFA.
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The cost of the RFA for residents and businesses can be communicated by
explaining that RFA funding comes primarily from two components; a fire
levy, a property tax that cannot exceed $1.00/$1,000 AV without voter
approval and a fire benefit charge, a fee, imposed annually, based on
structure size/type. The net cost to residents and businesses depend on what
each city does with its city property tax levy when the fire department cost
is removed from city budgets. The current city fire department costs,
translated to a property tax equivalent, are not the same, and both exceed
$1.00/$1,000 AV.
The net cost impact is the result of property tax and the FBC. The
assumption is that each city will reduce its general property tax levy by an
amount equal to the new RFA property tax (minus $1.00/$1,000 AV from
the city, plus $1.00/$1,000 from the RFA) Based on that assumption, there
would be no change in property tax collections in 2024 as a result of the
RFA. To the extent current fire department costs exceed $1.00/$1,000, each
city would redirect those revenues to other priority programs. In Tumwater,
public safety programs would be the focus. In Olympia, the focus is largely
public safety and homeless response. Those choices would be confirmed in
the 2023-2024 budgets.
At the last meeting, an example for communicating the FBC for an average
city resident was based on a single-family house with an average house size
(including garage) of approximately 2,575 square feet. The committee
requested examples based on a median house size. The median house size
is just under 2500 (including garage). Most people consider their house size
as living space and do not factor a typical garage of 375 to 625 additional
square feet.
Ms. Reed shared examples of the FBC for mid-range size homes:
Single Family Residential Square Footage 2022 Estimated FBC
1500 square footage $337
2000 square footage $389
2500 square footage $435
Assuming the cities both reduce their property taxes by $1.00/$1,000 AV
(equal to the RFA fire levy), and regardless of the assessed value of a home,
this is the net estimated increase in cost to a homeowner from the RFA in
year 1.
City Manager Burney recommended eliminating the paragraph that speaks
to assuming the cities will reduce their property tax because both cities intend
to reduce property tax.
Ms. Reed reported the RFA will have a fire levy of $1.00 plus the FBC. The
fire levy is based on the assessed value of a home/structure She displayed a
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graph of a combined estimated FBC with a range of assessed values for
single family homes. Residential properties in total are 66% of the total
square footage in the RFA and would pay 63.3% of the total FBC under the
formula we are looking at now. Commercial properties are 27.7% of the
square footage and would pay 30.6% of the total FBC. The largest
commercial properties pay about 2.6 times the FBC cost on a square footage
basis as compared to a small commercial property. Apartments are 5.4% of
the square footage and would pay 5.3% of the total FBC.
Ms. Reed cited other information in the agenda packet for review by the
committee.
Councilmember Cooper suggested that communicating a better level of
service for a specific amount each month would make a difference in voter
support at the ballot box.
OUTLINE OF AUGUST 9 Ms. Reed reviewed an outline of the presentation scheduled for August 9,
COUNCIL 2022 with each council.
PRESENTATION:
Councilmember Huỳnh inquired about the opportunity for the committee to
discuss the go/ no-go recommendation. Ms. Reed recommended deferring
the discussion to the next meeting on August 8, 2022 to enable sharing the
committee’s discussion/decision during the council briefings. No objections
to the recommendation were conveyed by the committee.
City Manager Burney recommended revisiting the phrasing of reducing the
property tax as it may convey an incorrect message to the community that
the cities are reducing their property tax. He suggested additional
conversations surrounding language that speaks to no annexations or new
fire stations. Councilmember Cooper recommended eliminating
“annexations” as the RFA will be configured on current city boundaries. Ms.
Reed offered to follow up with Councilmember Parshley as she addressed
the issue of annexation. City Manager Burney said he would follow up with
Ms. Reed on framing the talking points for the council briefing.
ADJOURNMENT: With there being no further business, Chair Dahlhoff adjourned the
meeting at 7:31 p.m.
Prepared by Valerie L. Gow, Recording Secretary/President
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Agenda
OLYMPIA TUMWATER
REGIONAL FIRE AUTHORITY
PLANNING COMMITTEE
MEETING AGENDA
Online via Zoom and In Person at
Tumwater Fire Department
Headquarters, Training Room, 311 Israel
Rd. SW, Tumwater, WA 98501
Monday, July 25, 2022
5:30 PM
1. Welcome
a. Agenda
2. FBC Follow up
3. Key Messages
4. Governance
5. Outline of August 9th Council Presentation
6. Action Log
7. Adjourn
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