Regional Fire Authority Planning Committee
Regular MeetingTumwater, WA · September 26, 2022
Minutes
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CONVENE: 5:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Chair/City of Tumwater Councilmember Leatta Dahlhoff, Vice
Chair/Olympia Councilmember Yến Huỳnh, Tumwater Councilmember
Michael Althauser, Olympia Councilmembers Jim Cooper, Tumwater
Councilmember Eileen Swarthout, Olympia Councilmember Lisa Parshley.
Tumwater Fire Chief Brian Hurley, Tumwater Fire Union
Representative/Paramedic Lieutenant James Osberg, Olympia Interim Fire
Chief Todd Carson, and Olympia Fire Union Representative/Firefighter
Steven Busz.
Staff: Tumwater City Administrator John Doan, Olympia City Manager Jay
Burney, Olympia City Attorney Mark Barber, Tumwater Finance Director
Troy Niemeyer, and Tumwater Fire Department Administrative Assistant
Erika Stone.
Others: Karen Meyer, The Athena Group; Karen Reed, RFA Consultant; Bill
Cushman, Fiscal Analyst; and Neil Blindheim, FBC Consultant.
WELCOME, Chair Dahlhoff welcomed everyone to the meeting and advised of the
AGENDA & possibility of members voting on the fire benefit charge (FBC).
SCHEDULE RECAP:
Karen Reed referred members to the published agenda.
DEBRIEF ON City Administrator Doan and City Manager Burney briefed members on the
SEPTEMBER 22, 2022 results of the Town Hall meeting on September 22, 2022. Approximately
TOWN HALL: five members from the community attended in addition to a contingent of
Olympia Fire Department firefighters. Although community members and
the Fire Chiefs engaged in question and answers, the majority of the meeting
was a Q&A with firefighters from the Olympia Fire Department, which
speaks to the need to increase internal communications with fire department
personnel. Some of the questions from the community will be incorporated
within the frequently asked questions document.
PROJECTED 2023 Ms. Reed reported the projected increase in 2023 assessed values of 32%
INCREASE IN makes it hypothetically possible for a $1.50 fire levy model to generate
ASSESSED VALUE: enough revenue to support the RFA. She displayed a graphic depicting the
difference of the $1.00 fire levy model with the FBC (less than projected)
and a $1.50 fire levy without the FBC.
City Manager Burney commented on the fiscal impact to the City of Olympia
if the RFA does not assess a FBC. In sum, the statutory requirement to
reduce $1.50 from the City levy to match the RFA levy exceeds the current
fire department costs and would be problematic for future City budgets.
Finance Director Niemeyer presented a graph of the City of Olympia
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RFA/Fire District Property Tax Impact Comparison with columns depicting
status quo (current), with RFA @ $1.00 levy, and with RFA @ $1.50 levy.
A similar graphic for the City of Tumwater revealed similar budget impacts.
Comments by members included:
• Concerns about Olympia’s budget deficit
• The annual 1% cap on property tax increase would not increase
revenue over time because cities continue to fall behind in terms of
property tax revenue as a percentage of the overall budget
• A suggestion of a levy scenario that would administratively merge the
departments resulting in less expense by taxpayers by offering a
ballot measure with a simple majority vote for a levy lift lid to
operate each fire department at the revenue required to provide
service with both departments subsequently merging through an
interlocal agreement without the need to assess a fire benefit charge
FBC FORMULA Ms. Reed reviewed a new formula option “3A” as requested by the
OPTIONS: committee incorporating a 6% shift away from the residential sector to the
commercial sector, with three classifications of residential with weights
increasing based on house size, a zero factor for mobile homes, and a new
lower FBC target due to higher assessed values. The new FBC target is
$10.5 million as compared to $13.5 million.
Ms. Reed presented a one-page chart of the FBC formula and other slides on
revised formulas based on the new “3A” option and the projected increase in
assessed valuation.
Neil Blindheim addressed questions about the classification of mixed use. At
this time, the numbers reflect mixed use as commercial; however, some
RFAs have considered mixed use on a case-by-case basis while others have
categorized all mixed use as commercial which is what Mr. Blindheim
recommends.
Feedback from the committee on how the options impact estimated FBCs for
residential properties included a recommendation to include the price per
square foot included in each column for a compatible comparison and a
suggestion to identify areas of the cities and remove building and land values
if the cost is based on square footage.
Ms. Reed reviewed information on how the options impact estimated FBCs
for apartments and small, medium, and large commercial structures. The
updated information reflects no assessment for mobile homes. She pointed
out the difference in the FBC for new option “3A” and noted that the figures
appear to be inaccurate and information will be updated and forwarded to the
committee with land and building values removed and square footage
included. She acknowledged that the lack of information will stall the
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committee’s direction on the FBC model to include in the RFA Plan
A discussion of committee members on the FBC modelling and
incorporating it within the RFA Plan included:
• It is important to support both residential and commercial uses. The
reduced rates reflected for option 3A are beneficial in addressing
concerns by the community
• Firefighter Busz updated members on the status of the name of the
RFA preferred by members of the fire union. At this time, lacking
updated information on the figures, he recommended affording
additional time for all local members to be updated to ensure an
informed response on the name of the RFA.
• Paramedic Lieutenant James Osberg commented that members of the
Tumwater union would be willing to look beyond the changes
inherent in merging to ensure the greater good of fire service for the
community. A recent polling of Tumwater fire personnel reflected
two-thirds support for the name of Olympia Fire Authority if
considered by the committee as well as support of the two other
names previously submitted. He supports including the FBC based
on new option 3A. It is also important to be fiscally responsible in
establishing the FBC and whether there is a possibility of both cities
contributing rather than loaning funds to the RFA. He encouraged
members to consider other options or shared options that lessen the
debt and creates less of an impact on the RFA. He advocated for the
need to improve messaging on the RFA by providing a side-by-side
projected five-year comparison of each fire department with the RFA
scenario.
Members responded to input offered from both union members.
• Messaging continues to be deficit despite efforts by the staff and
consultant team.
• Appreciative of the suggestion for offering a side-by-side
comparison while also concerned that Olympia firefighters may not
be supportive of the RFA fully as a viable option for the community.
Many in the community continue to refer to the FBC as a tax, which
speaks to the importance of proper messaging to the community.
• Agreed community messaging is important, as a 61% majority vote
by the community will be necessary. Today, community support is
lacking despite the fact that the RFA is the best potential to provide
services expected by both communities. Although disappointed in
the communication, the committee has time to improve messaging
especially in lieu of the new information presented earlier in the
meeting. The increase in assessed valuation has reduced the amount
of the FBC.
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• The problem statement should reflect future conditions, in terms of
each City’s ability to meet needs to keep both communities safe.
Today, both cities lack both the capacity and the resources to provide
today’s level of service in the future. The RFA process is crafting an
option for voters to choose a different future in terms of safety and
service for people who live in both communities. The committee’s
deliberations are intended to create the best option for an alternate
path forward. It will be up to the voters to decide if they want to
impose a charge on themselves or institute some kind of tax to
achieve that future vision.
• Acknowledgement that the committee has formed the concepts for
the messaging; however, the messaging needs further refinement.
The current loan scenario from both cities to support the RFA would
be less costly for the RFA if another option was considered by the
RFA, as cash flow is required to pay for personnel during the first
months of RFA operations. Support option 3A but stressed the need
to review the updated information and inclusion of price per square
footage. Continue to be nervous about the seven-year FBC as
reauthorization of the FBC could fail, which speaks to the
importance of establishing the correct FBC level at the onset. Use of
“regional” in the name is redundant. Suggest removing “regional”
and describe the entity as “fire authority.” The next step is ensuring
the committee’s process enables a vote by the fire unions prior to
presentation to the councils. Proposal of the Plan to the councils
should include both city administration and fire union
recommendations.
• Want to present a recommendation to the voters and let them decide.
Chair Dahlhoff affirmed the committee’s consensus to move forward. Based
on comments from Paramedic Lieutenant Osberg on reducing the RFAs debt
service, she asked about the possibility of staff from both cities exploring
another option.
Paramedic Lieutenant Osberg said the intent of his comment was to increase
transparency of the process. City Manager Burney said the $8 million loan
from the City of Olympia is from the City’s reserves, which leaves the City
exposed to some extent to economic uncertainty and increasing inflation. To
lower the upfront financial impact to the RFA, city staff explored ways to
minimize the impact by extending the term of debt service longer that
preferred but for the benefit of the RFA. Reducing the payback by $500,000
or $1 million would not significantly affect the overall payback rate.
City Administrator Doan added that the new valuation has added $2.8 million
enabling a reduction in the FBC as presented. Adding another $1 million at
the onset is a one-time revenue source and is less than a third of the increase
in valuation. He agreed with City Manager Burney acknowledging that the
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City of Tumwater’s situation is different in terms of how the fire contribution
was structured. For the most part, the City is using funds from other
accounts to provide some initial start-up revenue for the RFA.
Discussion ensued with Paramedic Lieutenant Osberg acknowledging that
the conversation was helpful. City Manager Burney acknowledged the intent
of providing a similar briefing to Olympia fire personnel with the likelihood
that the Tumwater Fire Department would schedule a similar discussion.
City Administrator Doan acknowledged the City would work with both union
representatives to schedule meetings with fire department personnel.
Councilmember Huỳnh supported preparing a side-by-side comparison of
each fire department to the RFA for the benefit of voters.
Members discussed next steps with Ms. Reed agreeing any preliminary
recommendations could be deferred on the FBC, name, and the policy on
governance until the next meeting scheduled on October 10, 2022.
Following an extended conversation on polling union members on the
proposed Plan and affording time for additional briefings to fire personnel, a
majority of members supported scheduling a meeting on Monday, October 3,
2022 to address any outstanding issues surrounding the Plan prior to
finalizing a recommendation on the Plan on October 10, 2022 prior to
presenting the Plan to the fire unions on October 12, 2022.
Chair Dahlhoff affirmed consensus to schedule a meeting on Monday,
October 3, 2022 and to seek a union vote (both unions) on whether to move
forward with the Plan or end the RFA process. The committee will consider
three name options of the RFA.
ADJOURNMENT: With there being no further business, Chair Dahlhoff adjourned the
meeting at 7:33 p.m.
Prepared by Valerie L. Gow, Recording Secretary/President
Puget Sound Meeting Services, psmsoly@earthlink.net
Agenda
OLYMPIA TUMWATER
REGIONAL FIRE AUTHORITY
PLANNING COMMITTEE
MEETING AGENDA
Online via Zoom and In Person at
Tumwater Fire Department
Headquarters, Training Room, 311 Israel
Rd. SW, Tumwater, WA 98501
Monday, September 26, 2022
5:30 PM
1. Welcome
a. Agenda
2. Debrief Town Hall
3. Projected 2023 Increase in Assessed Value
4. FBC Formula Options
5. RFA Name
6. Governance: Term length and staggering
7. Draft RFA Plan for Committee
8. RFA Action Question Log
Meeting Information
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9. Adjourn
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