12-1 Alcohol Ordinance Workgroup
Regular MeetingTybee Island, GA · December 1, 2020
Minutes
City of Tybee Island
Alcohol Working Group
Draft Minutes-12-1-2020
In Attendance: Shawn Gillen, Joel Fobes, Steve Kellam,
Lawanna Tsoulos, Anne Delaney, Kathryn Williams, Mary
McLemore, Demery Bishop, Paula Crowe, Dillon Patel,
Bubba Hughes, William Mosely, Walter Hattrich, Robert
Bryson
Call to Order by Shawn Gillen (SG) 10:02
Bubba Hughes (BH) discussed the rules and requirements of
open meetings/open records.
Minutes from 11-23-2020 meeting approved unanimously
with some minor adjustments. Kathryn Williams – Did not
do the ‘drunk tank’ research. Jenny Orr was not at the
meeting. Kathryn Williams – some liability insurance
requires training.
New Business
1. SG discussed the comments from the 11-23-2020 Public
Zoom Meeting.
2. Liquor liability insurance (LLI)
a. Kathryn Williams (KW) stated that she got a
synopsis of LLC from her agent. She sent it to the
group and printouts were distributed. She
explained that it offers insurance against lawsuits
resulting from bar customers causing bodily harm
or property damage. The cost of a $1m policy is
approximately 0.3% of annual alcohol sales. She
explained that this issue was an item that City
Council had requested this group discuss.
b. Mary McLemore (MM) asked if the City required
bars to carry this coverage.
c. KW explained that only tenants of City buildings
are required to carry it.
d. Demery Bishop (DB) asked what Council was
considering.
e. SG stated that council was considering whether to
require LLI for all businesses selling liquor by the
drink.
f. Steve Kellem (SK) stated that he carries it and
keeps all of his insurance with one company so
there are no disputes over which company is
responsible.
g. Paula Crow (PC) asked about the cost.
h. KW said it is based on sales. She said maybe it
shouldn’t be required but the City could educate
business owners as some didn’t seem to know it
existed.
i. Anne Delaney (AD) said it seems like it would be
common sense to carry it.
j. MM asked if other cities require it.
k. SG said that the City will research the issue.
l. BH stated that he believes both Savannah and
Statesboro require it.
m.SG stated that we will keep the topic on the agenda
for more discussion and possible recommendation.
m. Luwana Tsoulos (TS) asked who is being
protected if it is required.
n. KW asked if landlords could be held liable.
o. BH stated that was not likely although they could
be sued.
p. PC stated that she didn’t see how a landlord could
be held liable as she doesn’t know what her tenants
are doing.
q. MM said leasing to a bar may cause more liability.
r. SG asked how many establishments don’t have LLI
3. SG asked where the group left off on the discussion of
bar cards vs. Safe Serve programs.
a. Wally Hattrich (WH) stated that a bar card
requirement is in our ordinance. It is just a
registration, no training required. Serve Safe is
run by the National Restaurant Assoc. and offers
an online class for $30 or test only for $20. The
card stays with the server. He said that he is
looking into taking the instructor’s course.
b. SG asked who else requires Serve Safe.
c. WH stated that Savannah uses it but doesn’t know
if it is required. He said that many businesses
require it of their staff.
d. SG asked staff to research who requires it.
e. SG stated that if serve safe required by Tybee then
bar card would go away.
f. KW was surprised that bar cards aren’t required.
g. WH stated that they are required by ordinance but
the ordinance isn’t enforced. Enforcement is
cumbersome.
h. William Mosely (WM) stated that the bar card
system was put in place to cut down on after hours
parties at bars. The cards helped identify
employees from patrons. This is not much of a
problem now.
i. PC stated that bartenders are asking for training.
j. SK said the course is helpful but maybe for
bartenders only and not require of servers.
k. SG said we should consider it as a recommendation
l. DB asked where staff training and LLI impact
alcohol related arrests.
m. SG agreed that there is a slim nexus for
insurance but larger nexus for training.
n. LT stated that insurance does not affect patron
behavior but training has some benefit.
o. PC stated that training is important.
p. KW restated that LLI was being discussed because
council asked for it.
q. PC mentioned that trained staff may cause higher
arrest counts.
r. SG stated that more arrests don’t mean things are
getting worse.
s. SK stated that each business has their own system
for removing unwanted patrons.
t. SG stated that when you enforce the rules in place
expect results.
u. MM asked how we increase enforcement with the
issues of police hiring and retention.
v. SG state that PD salaries have gone up and will be
used as a recruiting tool.
w.DG asked if police had quantified cost per new
officer.
x. JF stated that it is approximately $86k which
includes salary, benefits, car and equipment.
y. LT asked if new salaries will make Tybee
competitive.
z. SG stated that going up to $41k should make us
more competitive.
aa. PC asked what the hourly rate was.
bb. JF stated $17.10/hour.
cc. Bob Bryson stated that officers get overtime
after 40 hours.
dd. SG stated that certification increases went into
place last year and that increases for education and
training will add to base pay.
ee. LT asked if the city pays for college degrees.
ff. SG stated that is currently not in the budget.
4. Old business – continuing discussion of alcohol
restriction.
a. SG stated that we need to distill down to several
recommendations.
b. Ideas removed:
i. Become a precinct of a larger force – this is a
complex change.
ii. Require bars to have a bouncer/security – let
each business plan as they see fit.
c. Ideas kept:
i. Fill all PD positions.
ii. Police presence on South End.
iii. PD substation in old Marine Science Center
building.
iv. Better training for servers.
v. Liquor liability insurance.
vi. Communication between
businesses/bartenders.
vii. Regular DUI checkpoints.
viii. More cameras.
ix. Best of bodycam montage.
x. Electronic sign with behavior messages.
xi. Corrals at businesses.
d. Comments regarding ideas kept:
i. MM & DB stated that greater police presence
on South End will divert police from the rest
of the island.
ii. SK stated that a Facebook page exists for
bartender business communication but it is
difficult in real time.
iii. BB stated that DUI checkpoints are difficult
due to staffing levels, require GDOT approval
create a lot of paperwork and cause criticism
of the PD. He said they are successful and PD
will do them if council requests.
iv. MM stated that they may be a deterrent if
they are regular and folks expect them.
v. PC suggested more messaging about
checkpoint may be a deterrent.
vi. DB stated that a large physical presence is a
deterrent without a checkpoint.
vii. BB stated that Georgia State Patrol is a big
help and they work well with our department.
They are a force multiplier.
viii. SG stated that more cameras are also a force
multiplier and City plans to add beach
cameras for code enforcement.
ix. MM asked if cameras are recording.
x. SG stated that yes and data must be kept for
at least 30 days. Beach cameras would not
record.
xi. DB asked if cameras are permanently
mounted and suggested temporary camera
poles for large events.
xii. SG stated that the City’s emergency response
vehicle has camera.
xiii. DB asked that we research corral system.
xiv. AD says that corral is the same as a ban.
xv. MM doesn’t like the look of street full of
corrals.
xvi. George Shaw (GS) pointed out that space is
limited on our sidewalks and corrals may
require additional physical changes.
xvii. KW wants more info on PERF.
xviii. PC mentioned that more messaging could be
added to good neighbor letter.
xix. SG adjourn 11:45.
xx. Post adjournment SG asked that I add
discussion of limiting beach alcohol
consumption to ideas list.
Agenda
AGENDA
12-1 ALCOHOL ORDINANCE WORKGROUP
December 01, 2020 at 10:00 AM
Call to order
Approval of Minutes
New Business
1. Review of Comments from Public Zoom Meeting
2. Information/Discussion About Liquor Liability Coverage
3. Discussion of Bar Card vs 'Safe Server' Programs
Old Business
4. Continuing Discussion About Alcohol Restrictions
City Manager Comments
Adjournment
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