12-8 Alcohol Ordinance Workgroup
Regular MeetingTybee Island, GA · December 8, 2020
Minutes
City of Tybee
Alcohol Ordinance Workgroup
12/08/2020
Shawn Gillen called the meeting to order at 10:04
AM.
In Attendance: Shawn Gillen, Robert Bryson, Joel
Fobes, Matt Harrell, George Shaw, Jenny Orr,
Kathryn Williams, Mary Mc Lemore, Steve Kellam,
Lawanna Tsoulos, Paula Crowe, Demery Bishop,
Bubba Hughes, Alice Jonsson, Todd Morrison, Anne
Delaney.
No Dillon Patel.
Minutes approved unanimously, with some typos
fixed. (Could not tell who was making the motions
due to masks and low volume.)
Joel Fobes went over data the group requested.
Shawn Gillen explained that we will be crafting a
statement for each item on list.
Work with tourism to tweak advertising? – (KW)
Mary – corrals at businesses?
SG we may need some more info for some of these
Some of the statements brought to the council may
be that we don’t recommend
Kathryn Williams - Add domestic violence to the list.
KW also has concerns about littering
Ideas - Can we limit the number of people who
come on the island? (Paula?)
SG – the list does what we want it to do – concerns
will pop up.
Jenny Orr – pro liability insurance – do they do
auditing?
Group likes the idea of knowing who has LLI and
who does not.
2. Fill all PD positions – Chief we are down five.
SG explained the financial incentives for different
certifications and increased pay to become more
competitive. We want to do better but it will take
time. It has to be sustainable. Jenny Orr is pro
paying police more. Let’s try to move higher that
65% percentile when it is financially feasible.
Many expressed that they want tourists to bear the
payment burden.
“Push the financial burden to tourists.”
SG – liquor tax already large goes to enforcement.
Most money comes from Parking.
SG - Did not need to tap into the general fund this
year.
SG answered and we may already have the dollars.
Explained how parking dollars need to be spent and
explained how the year went in terms of budgeting.
Bubba Hughes – explained how the liquor taxes
function.
SG explained - 2 officers per 1000 people rule of
thumb thing - explained the City’s philosophy about
how we hire and who we hire for police
Filling Positions – want the City to move higher than
65% percentile to keep officers – the financial
burden should be on people who are driving this
cost based on the data we are seeing. Visitors need
adequate protection as do residents, must have
adequate public safety services from the City for all
people (?) - the people who drive the cost should
pay for it.
Group discussed toll bridges.
3. and 4. Go together – police presence on the
South End more visible.
KW – we may need to rework our
intergovernmental agreement with Chatham
County so we can have more of their officers during
peak season.
Demry – asked a question about 4 – building would
need to meet certain requirements which will cost
money- cost factor.
Many in group – use technology as a force
multiplier.
BH answered – mutual aid agreement - explained
how census impacts funding for Tybee – mutual aid
stuff plays out there.
Use TIMSC old during peak season for video
monitoring. – Group likes this idea.
Better Training for Servers – anyone who handles
alcohol or serves alcohol has to have the Safe Serve
Training.
Anyone who pours or serves alcohol must have Safe
Serve Certification – replace bar card.
JF – there is a data base of Safe Server Certifications
the PD can use to make sure.
JF – we don’t require the background check now –
PD and court are separated now - we need the
proper code in the computer to create a space for
the people who are just getting the check for
employment in a bar/restaurant.
SG - LLI – a complete survey of the bars.
BH – general liability insurance means something
different than liquor liability.
Group - City should encourage the purchase and
provide information with acquisition of alcohol (not
liquor) license.
KW – one not having it negatively impacts those
who do.
Couldn’t hear who asked - should we require proof
of LLI for anyone with an on-premises only license?
Discussion about better communication and
whether or not the city has anything to do with it.
DUI – require a lot of people power and time JF –
the traffic flow can’t be interrupted – you have to
check every car – multiple layers to it – two cars on
the side of the road with lights on can make people
think twice.
Road safety checkpoint should be phrasing – JF
Night Hawks
“Use some form of road safety checkpoint on the
busy weekends.”
9. More cameras – SG – who can monitor and use
the cameras explained- check tape there are many
camera per pole – not 43 locations – there is a cost
associated with the whole production – connectivity
costs money – Chief is looking at some other
cameras.
MM asked about positions with the PD.
SG – nine new fulltime people –
JF – one fulltime per each police shift - CE can go
first to a noise complaint.
SG – there are also trained in animal
control/welfare - we are shifting towards welfare.
SG explained.
JF explained how Code Enforcement is used.
Discussion about staffing strategy.
MM – Code Enforcement use to monitor cameras –
would that really work.
SG – for part of the shift they could monitor.
Should we hire people who can monitor cameras –
people who are outside the PD?
DB – some places are training and hiring civilians.
Perhaps we could use an auxiliary – force to help
get some people to monitor cameras.
SG – volunteer- based approaches are not stable
enough.
JF - Chatham County Sherrifs Dept does have an
auxillary but no one else does.
9- Invest in more and better camera tech and
personnel to manage them - cost should go to
people driving the cost.
10 – new and creative ways to communicate police
services in the City and the example might be the
Best of Body Cam Montage.
11 – Electronic Sign and behavior messages –
coming on the island – New and better sign boards
GDOT signs are hard for us to utilize.
12 – corral definition is specific to a certain
business and festival zone is more broad - wrist
bands – SG it’s the Pirate Fest model - space issue
for corrals - no consensus on making a policy
statement on this right now - get more info from
other cities.
Festival zone – can be brought up again next week.
13 Work with tourism board to market differently –
SG we should see if they are already doing.
Coordinate with the lodging industry re domestic
violence - KW – encourage them to include verbage
on website – if you are involved in a domestic
violence occurrence you will be kicked out and to
lose the money – zero tolerance – statement –
you can’t kick out victims – only offenders.
Will discuss next week SG.
SG - cleaning up litter changes people’s behavior.
13. – culturally (Jenny Orr) we let people bring so
much onto the beach in coolers.
JF – research cooler rules for beaches in other
places vs being allowed to bring a single drink onto
the beach.
12:11 meeting adjourned.
In between 29th and final meeting we should have a
Zoom meeting
Group agreed- we also need to ask the PD what
they think.
Agenda
AGENDA
12-8 ALCOHOL ORDINANCE WORKGROUP
December 08, 2020 at 10:00 AM
Call to Order
Approval of Minutes
1. Approve 12-1 Draft Minutes
Draft Recommendations For
2. Fill All PD Positions
3. Police Presence on South End
4. PD Substation in Old TIMSC Building
5. Better Training for Servers
6. Liquor Liability Insurance
7. Communication Between Businesses/Bartenders
8. Regular DUI Checkpoints
9. More Cameras
10. Best of Body-Cam Montage
11. Electronic Sign with Behavior Messages
12. Corrals at Businesses
13. Limiting Beach Alcohol Consumption
Discussion of Additional Information Requested by Workgroup
Comments and Questions from Members
Adjournment
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