Historic Preservation Commission Meeting
Regular MeetingUrbana, IL · December 3, 2014
Minutes
December 3, 2014
MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING
URBANA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
DATE: December 3, 2014 APPROVED
TIME: 7:00 p.m.
PLACE: Council Chambers, 400 South Vine Street, Urbana, Illinois 61801
MEMBERS PRESENT: Scott Dossett, Matt Metcalf, Alice Novak, Gina Pagliuso, David
Seyler, Trent Shepard, Kim Smith
MEMBERS EXCUSED: None
STAFF PRESENT: Jeff Engstrom, Interim Planning Manager; Kevin Garcia, Planner II;
OTHERS PRESENT: Kollin Armstrong, Chris Berti, Andy Brantner, Mary Ann Bunyan,
Richard Cahill, Matt Deering, Yuchen Ding, Nancy Edwards,
Tony Herhold, Marcia Klopf, Pui Yi Man, Robert Nemeth, Caleb
Orozco, Dennis Roberts, Francesca Sallinger, Connor Smith, Chris
Szmurlo, Nathan Upson, Angela Urban, Kelly Valiin, Roman
Yanke
1. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL AND DECLARATION OF QUORUM
Alice Novak, Urbana Historic Preservation Commission Chair, called the meeting to order at 7:04
p.m. The roll call was taken, and a quorum was declared with all members present.
2. CHANGES TO THE AGENDA
There were none.
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of the November 5, 2014 Historic Preservation Commission Meeting were presented
for approval. Mr. Shepard proposed to change “Advice Chair” to “Vice Chair” on Page 2 under
Item 8 in the last sentence. Mr. Shepard, then, made a motion to approve the minutes as corrected.
Mr. Dossett seconded the motion. The minutes were approved unanimously as corrected.
4. WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
Regarding Case No. HP-2014-L-01:
Objection to Nomination from Matt Deering
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Letters in Support of Nomination
Letter from Christopher Enck
Letter from T.J and Louise Marie Kuhny
Letter from Frank Butterfield
Email from Douglas Armstrong
Email from Willard Broom
Email from Deborah Katz-Downie
Email from Rick Larimore
Email from Linda Lorenz
Email from Esther Patt
Email from Dennis Roberts
Email from Alice Patterson Vernon
5. AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
There was none.
6. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARINGS
Case No. HP-2014-L-01 – Request by Robert Nemeth for a Historic Landmark Nomination of
the Zeta Tau Alpha Sorority House located at 1404 South Lincoln Avenue
Chair Novak recused herself due to a conflict of interest with this case. She turned the Chair
position over to Kim Smith. Vice Chair Smith re-opened the public hearing for this case. She
reviewed the process for a public hearing.
Jeff Engstrom, Interim Planning Manager, listed the written communications that were received
with regards to the case.
Kevin Garcia, Planner II, presented a summary of the proposed landmark nomination. He began by
explaining the application process and what it means for the property owner if the proposed
landmark nomination is approved. He talked about Joseph W. Royer and Hubert Smith. He gave a
brief background on the history of the house. He reviewed the criteria for a landmark designation
according to Section XI-5.C of the Urbana Zoning Ordinance. He read the options of the Historic
Preservation Commission and presented City staff’s recommendation for approval.
Vice Chair Smith opened the hearing up for public input.
Robert Nemeth, petitioner, approached the Historic Preservation Commission to speak. He
mentioned that he grew up living near to the proposed house and knows it well. He described the
existing house noting the French Eclectic style architecture. He responded to the objection of the
2013 landmark designation nomination. He talked about the controversy over whether Joseph
Royer or Hubert Smith designed the house and about the historical significance of the Zeta Tau
Alpha (ZTA) Sorority House. He talked about the benefits of a property having a historic landmark
status and about false claims of a historic landmark status creating economic difficulties on property
owners. He presented statistics with regards to previous Certificates of Appropriateness, which
proved that they are not difficult to obtain or are restraining on a property owner to maintain a
historic landmark.
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Matt Deering, attorney for the ZTA Fraternity Housing Corporation, approached to question the
petitioner. He stated that Mr. Nemeth ran through several potential economic benefits of historic
preservation designation, specifically including federal tax credit and tax assessment freeze
program. Is it Mr. Nemeth’s contention that these benefits are available to ZTA in the manner for
which the property is used? Mr. Nemeth replied that it is a good question that they should ask their
attorneys about. Mr. Deering explained that the federal tax credit is only available to owner-
occupied properties and the tax assessment freeze program is only available to income producing
properties, which the proposed property is neither.
Vice Chair Smith asked if there were any proponents of the request wishing to speak. She limited
comments to three minutes.
Richard Cahill approached the Historic Preservation Commission to speak. He is a member of the
Preservation and Conservation Association (PACA) and serves on their board of directors. PACA
supports the nomination wholly. He mentioned that in 2010 he found blueprints of Joseph Royer’s
including one for the proposed property. He talked about how Joseph Royer was a prominent
architect in Urbana.
Chris Berti approached the Historic Preservation Commission to speak. He is a professor of art at
Parkland College. He supports the historic preservation of the ZTA House. As a professor, he
spends most of his life sharing with the students the importance of experiencing things firsthand.
There is a big difference between looking at something in a book or seeing it on the internet and
seeing it firsthand. We have an opportunity to preserve something that people can experience
firsthand. People have spoken very eloquently about the historic significance of the proposed
building. It acts as a record from a significant period in American architecture. However, buildings
like this also enhance the beauty and the cultural identity of a community in the same way that a
beautiful sculpture or garden does. There is just no replacement for it if it disappears. There are
students present at the meeting, and they would be the first to tell the Commission that there is a big
difference between experience and living with things of beauty firsthand as opposed to digitally.
Dennis Roberts approached the Historic Preservation Commission to speak. He helped to write and
create the ordinances that provide for landmark status nominations and helped to write ordinance
that provides a demolition delay period to work out historic preservation issues with property
owners. Some of the issues that were presented in the arguments to the City Council that had an
effect on the vote of the City Council in 2013 had nothing to do with the actual criteria by which the
City Council was supposedly required to make its decision and by which the Historic Preservation
Commission is required to judge the property. So, any issue that has to do with alleged economic
difficulty or inconvenience that may or may not occur to the property owner relating to historic
preservation designation is not one of the criteria for selecting and approving a building. It is
supposed to be based entirely on the historic quality, the integrity of the building, how it meets the
standards of period design and architectural detail, and the significance of the architect.
There was also a misconception that Historic Preservation Commission members could not come to
the City Council meeting to clarify the vote of the Historic Preservation Commission. We have
learned since then that having completed your judicial process by holding the public hearing and
having taken a final vote, the members of the Historic Preservation no longer has an obligation to
remain silent. If the members feel as individuals that they want to support a nomination and you
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want to come to the City Council meeting and explain how the nomination was either granted or
denied, then you have a right to do so because you are no longer in the position of making the
judgment.
With no further proponents to speak regarding the case, Vice Chair Smith opened the hearing up for
opponents to speak.
Mr. Deering re-approached the Historic Preservation Commission. He mentioned that he had
submitted a written report to the Commission prior to the start of the meeting. ZTA felt that they
were being asked to prove a negative, and they did not feel that they could do that so they were
focusing on the application.
ZTA did not feel that the applicant provided enough evidence to satisfy the criteria for a historic
landmark. The application consists primarily of blanket assertions and very little actual relevant
evidence. For example, with regards to the statements made regarding the significant value as part
of the architectural, cultural, educational and social heritage of the community as an outstanding
example of the role Greek life has played on the University of Illinois (U of I) campus, ZTA did not
understand how this particular house satisfies that criteria any more than any other fraternity or
sorority on the U of I campus specifically in the City of Urbana. In fact, the blanket statements that
the applicant made about the ZTA property could be made about many, if not all the other
fraternities and sororities on the U of I campus, not just those listed or mentioned in the discussions
regarding the National Register. He noted that the ZTA property was not listed on the National
Register of Historic Places. Surely, the Urbana Historic Preservation Commission would not find
that every Greek house on the Urbana side of the U of I campus would be suitable for historic
landmark designation.
The applicant also asserted that the ZTA house retains a high degree of integrity in another criterion.
ZTA disagreed with this statement. The applicant laid out the significant structural additions to the
building that quite simply greatly increase the size, general appearance and disrupt the consistency
and visibility of the original house.
Another statement claims that the largest addition had itself gained significance. ZTA believed this
statement was based on the age of the house, but there is no true evidence that suggests why the
large addition is significant.
Therefore, ZTA Fraternity Housing Corporation felt that it was not reasonable to conclude that the
house, as it stands today, retains the original integrity of the house.
Mr. Deering went on to talk about whether the house was really designed by Joseph Royer. ZTA
believed that the evidence proves it was not designed by Royer. Criterion D, "Notable work of a
master builder, designer, architect or artist whose individual genius has influenced an area”,
clearly does not authorize the substitution of an entire firm for the individual architect identified by
the applicant. There is no evidence presented by anyone that Joseph Royer designed the proposed
house.
The applicant and City staff contend that the location of the proposed house at the intersection of
Lincoln Avenue across from resident’s halls and at the entry of a residential area mark the transition
away from campus, and are therefore, are identifiable as an established and familiar location or
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physical characteristic. ZTA does not dispute the location of the house or of what is around it.
These same statements could be made about the string of other Greek houses and other buildings
along and nearby Lincoln Avenue as well as other streets around the U of I campus. The evidence
did not support that the location is unique to this particular property. The house sits almost a full lot
off of Lincoln Avenue on Vermont Avenue. Since completion of the large addition in 1963, the
original house built in 1928 has almost no exposure to Lincoln Avenue. Clearly from the Lincoln
Avenue Corridor, which the applicant and City staff had suggested was important to this particular
criterion, there is nothing especially identifiable of the west wall of the ZTA house.
ZTA urged the Commission to consider the lack of evidence presented on the various alleged
criteria, and to deny the request to designate the ZTA house as a historic landmark.
Mr. Nemeth argued that the additions are very sympathetic to the structure, and they are well
integrated into the existing architecture. The additions are old enough to be historic themselves. So
it is an irrelevant point that because the building was not pristine back then, that it should be
disqualified as a historic landmark now.
Regarding the economic benefits, he asked Mr. Deering if the economic benefits would be available
to a potential buyer. Mr. Deering replied that it depends on how the property is used.
Mr. Nemeth stated that the most important fact to him was that the title blocks on the building plans
were that of Joseph Royer’s firm. This proves that the plans were designed by the Royer, Danley,
Smith architectural firm. Usually when designing a building, it is a collaborative effort, so it is very
rare that one architect designs it all. When looking at other designs by Joseph Royer, it is clear to
him that Joseph Royer designed the ZTA house. Mr. Deering responded that the Ordinance does
not allow the Historic Preservation Commission to attribute the design of a building to a firm. The
language is specific.
Vice Chair Smith asked if there was anyone in the audience wishing to speak in favor or against the
proposed nomination.
Nancy Edwards, Graduate student in architecture at the U of I, stated that there is no evidence that
Joseph Royer did not design the existing house. Mr. Deering replied that the burden of proof is on
the applicant.
Andy Brantner, neighbor, approached the Historic Preservation Commission. He asked what the
future goals or plans of the property owner for the existing structure. Vice Chair Smith stated that
they would ask the property owner’s representative, Mr. Deering and allow him to answer the
question if he desired to do so.
There were no further comments from members of the audience.
Mr. Engstrom talked about the economic benefits and explained that the Property Tax Freeze
incentive only applies to owner-occupied structures. However, building permit fee waivers apply to
any landmark. Also, the 20% rehab incentive tax credit is available for income generating
properties, so if in the future the property becomes a rental property, the owner would qualify for
this incentive.
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Mr. Engstrom stated City staff wanted to show pictures that were not presented during the City staff
report to the Commission. Mr. Garcia presented the pictures at this time.
Mr. Engstrom pointed out that for a landmark nomination, it must meet one or more of the criteria
that was discussed. So, if the Commission finds that the ZTA house was not the work of a notable
master builder or designer, then there are the other criteria that they can consider.
Mr. Nemeth summarized by saying that it is such a beautiful property and is important to the urban
fabric. The additions are exceptionally well done. It would be a shame to not landmark the
property. He believed that if the property is sold, then it would probably become an income
producing property, so the new owner would be able to receive incentives for its landmark status.
Ms. Pagliuso asked Mr. Deering if ZTA had the structure built, do they have the plans and know
who designed it. Mr. Deering replied that they have researched to try to find plans and all they have
is what everyone else has.
Mr. Metcalf wondered if ZTA Fraternity Housing Corporation was a profit organization. Mr.
Deering replied that they are a not-for-profit organization.
Mr. Metcalf asked if ZTA owned any other historically significant or designated properties. Mr.
Deering said that they own one other historical property, which is why they are objecting to the
proposed historic landmark nomination.
Mr. Metcalf questioned what ZTA’s future plans are for the property. What is the likelihood of it
returning to a sorority or fraternity? Mr. Deering stated that although ZTA desires to, it is not likely
to be used as a sorority or fraternity because statistics show participation in these organizations is
decreasing.
Ms. Pagliuso stated that she was surprised that ZTA does not find the house to be historically
significant when Exhibit B of the information that was submitted by Mr. Deering talks about it
being a palatial home and how the location is such a fortunate setting for an imposing house. Now,
the Corporation wants the Historic Preservation Commission to disregard the article. She doesn’t
understand how the petitioner could not say it is significant when they have supported the
significance in their own documentation. She hoped that someday it would become an income
producing property so that the owners can use the 20% tax credit incentive. She stated that the
applicant showed in his documentation how historic preservation is economically viable.
Mr. Metcalf stated that the 1963 addition is in harmony with the original structure. There is enough
evidence clearly seen in the gable, Oriel window, trim around the windows, the stone work, and the
stone coining.
Mr. Shepard stated that the proposed historic landmark application meets criterion A. It is the first
fraternity/sorority house a person sees as they head north on Lincoln Avenue. Mr. Metcalf stated
that it is part of the increasing trend of sorority houses at the time.
Mr. Shepard believed that the craftsmanship on the ZTA house is amazing. The integrity is still
there. Therefore, it met criterion C.
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With regards to criterion D, Mr. Shepard believed that the house was designed by Joseph Royer,
himself. When you compare it to the Alpha Rho Chi House that Royer designed, it is very similar.
Again, the location meets criterion E. It is the first fraternity/sorority a person sees when going
north on Lincoln Avenue.
He stated that he believed it is worthy of being landmarked.
Mr. Dossett thanked everyone for their time and contribution. He read the Ordinance with regards
to criterion D. He noted that the Ordinance does not talk about an individual or a singular builder,
designer or architect. So, it is inconsequential to him whether Joseph Royer or his firm designed the
ZTA house.
He stated that it would have been nice to get the property owner’s objections sooner so that he could
have read it. Mr. Metcalf agreed with this comment.
He went on to talk about the Greek experience and the cultural experience to be in a sorority or
fraternity house. It is a significant and impactful part of going to the U of I for a great number of
students. The U of I has the most number of Greek houses in the country. If designating the house
as a landmark helps to recognize the role and the influence that sororities and fraternities have had
in our town, then he would applaud moving it forward.
Ms. Smith agreed with the City staff’s analysis, findings and recommendations. It is an excellent
example of the French Eclectic architectural style. The original building has an asymmetrical
façade, the Norman tower with the high conical roof, the tall, steeply hip roofs, big massive, brick
chimneys, the stucco wall cladding and half timbering, the decorative, skinteled brick, brick coins
and multi-pane casement paned windows grouped in pairs. It has “picturesque details”.
Mr. Dossett moved that the Historic Preservation Commission forward Case No. HP-2014-L-01 to
the City Council with a recommendation for approval because the ZTA house conforms to criteria a,
c, d and e of Section XII-5.C of the Urbana Zoning Ordinance in the following way:
Criteria a: The ZTA has significant values to the cultural and civic history of the U
of I campus area. This is a unique Greek letter house in an especially visible area.
Criteria c: The property is an inherently valuable architectural style being a
superior local example of the French Eclectic style with high integrity.
Criteria d: The house is a notable work of local notable architect, Joseph Royer.
Criteria e: The ZTA house is identifiable as an established and familiar visible
feature of the Southeast campus area.
Mr. Metcalf seconded the motion.
Mr. Shepard moved a friendly amendment to include the application submittal date and
public hearing dates in the motion. The motion will now read as such:
The Historic Preservation Commission forward the historic landmark application submitted on
October 13, 2014 and assigned Case No. HP-2014-L-01to the City Council with a recommendation
for approval. After reviewing and discussion the case at the November 5, 2014 and December 3,
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2014 meetings, the Commission believed the ZTA house conforms to criteria a, c, d and e of
Section XII-5.C of the Urbana Zoning Ordinance in the following way:
Criteria a: The ZTA has significant values to the cultural and civic history of the U
of I campus area. This is a unique Greek letter house in an especially visible area.
Criteria c: The property is an inherently valuable architectural style being a
superior local example of the French Eclectic style with high integrity.
Criteria d: The house is a notable work of local notable architect, Joseph Royer.
Criteria e: The ZTA house is identifiable as an established and familiar visible
feature of the Southeast campus area.
Roll call on the motion was as follows:
Mr. Dossett - Yes Mr. Metcalf - Yes
Ms. Pagliuso - Yes Mr. Seyler - Yes
Mr. Shepard - Yes Mr. Smith - Yes
Ms. Novak - Abstain
The motion carried by a vote of 6 ayes to 1 abstention. The case will be forwarded to City
Council on December 15, 2014.
Ms. Smith closed the public hearing and relinquished the Chair to Alice Novak.
7. OLD BUSINESS
There was none.
8. NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS
There were none.
9. NEW BUSINESS
There was none.
10. MONITORING OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES
Ms. Pagliuso reported on the Joseph Royer house. It had been sold, and the new owners have been
doing some landscaping. You can see the porch on the east side of the property.
11. STAFF REPORT
Mr. Garcia announced that City staff had applied for a Certified Local Government (CLG) Grant
through the Illinois Historic Preservation Association to develop some interactive online maps of
historic properties, districts, etc. City staff will keep the Commission updated.
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12. STUDY SESSION
There was none.
13. ANNOUNCEMENTS
There were none.
14. ADJOURNMENT
With no further business, Ms. Smith moved that the meeting be adjourned. Mr. Shepard seconded
the motion. With all Commission members in favor, the meeting adjourned at 8:46 p.m.
Submitted,
Jeff Engstrom, Interim Planning Manager
Historic Preservation Commission Recording Secretary
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Agenda
NOTICE OF REGULAR MEETING
URBANA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
DATE: Wednesday, December 3, 2014
TIME: 7:00 P. M.
PLACE: City Council Chambers
Urbana City Building
400 South Vine Street
Urbana, IL 61801
AGENDA
1. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL, AND DECLARATION OF QUORUM
2. CHANGES TO THE AGENDA
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes from the November 5, 2014 Historic Preservation Commission meeting
4. WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
5. AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
6. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARINGS
Case No. HP-2014-L-01 – Request by Robert Nemeth for a Historic Landmark
Nomination of the Zeta Tau Alpha Sorority House located at 1404 South Lincoln
Avenue
7. OLD BUSINESS
8. NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS
9. NEW BUSINESS
10. MONITORING OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES
11. STAFF REPORT
12. STUDY SESSION
13. ANNOUNCEMENTS
14. ADJOURNMENT
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