Board of Architectural Review
Regular MeetingVienna, VA · January 18, 2018
Minutes
Town of Vienna 127 Center Street South
Vienna, Virginia 22180
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Meeting Minutes
Board of Architectural Review
Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:00 PM COUNCIL CHAMBERS-VIENNA TOWN
HALL
1 Roll Call:
Ms. Abaied called roll with Roy Baldwin, Laine Hyde, Paul Layer, Michael Cheselka and
Patty Hanley being present,
Mr. Layer welcomed new board member Patty Hanley
2 Approval of the Minutes:
3 Signage for Magnolia Coffee Shop located at 431 Maple Avenue West
Request for approval of signage for Magnolia Coffee Shop located at 431 Maple Avenue
West, (Docket No. BAR-01-18), in the C-1 Local Commercial zoning district; filed by W.
Sakie Bhar, sign agent.
Sumotita Disaywathana (Tammy), the owner of Magnolia, represented her proposed sign
application.
Mr. Baldwin inquired about the proposed name on the sign and the lettering size and if
there was any room to change the wording. Ms. Tammy explained the reasoning for the
wording.
Mr. Cheselka asked if they would take the old sign off and repair the building where
needed. Ms. Tammy stated they would be taking down the sign and repairing.
There was more discussion about the wording on the awning.
There being no further questions or discussion a motion was in order.
Ms. Hyde asked if Ms. Tammy would like to change the wording or if she would prefer to
use the wording she submitted for approval. Ms. Tammy stated she would like to keep what
she had.
Ms. Hyde made a motion that the request for approval of signage for Magnolia Coffee Shop
located at 431 Maple Avenue West, (Docket No. BAR-01-18), be approved as submitted.
Motion: Hyde
Second: Chesellka
Approved: 5-0
4 Signage for FedEx Office located at 328 Maple Avenue East
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Request for approval of signage located at 328 Maple Avenue East, (Docket No.
BAR-03-18), in the C-lA Special Commercial zoning district; filed by Gary Brent, sign
agent.
Mr. Gary Brent was present to represent the application for proposed signs for FedEx.
Ms. Hanley asked if the beacon illuminated. Mr. Brent stated it was an interior sign that
illuminated through the glass. Ms. Hanley asked if it was LED. Mr. Brent stated that all
the internal components for the façade sign and the sign in the window were LED.
Ms. Hanley asked how to proceed with the brightness and Mr. Layer stated he had
information regarding average lumens due to the growing issue. Mr. Layer presented
information from the Illuminating Engineer Society. There was continued discussion on
the brightness of signs.
Mr. Baldwin asked about the beacon light. Mr. Brent stated it was 4” deep, aluminum
return; vinyl covered acrylic, that lights out, and is double sided. There was continued
discussion regarding the suspended beacon and its lighting.
Mr. Layer asked how many lumens the suspended beacon would project or how many foot
candles. Mr. Brent stated he didn’t have that information.
Mr. Layer noted that in the future the board will want to see foot candles of each light and
lumen output. He also stated that he would like for light brightness to be coordinated with
recommended standards for illumination.
Mr. Layer asked if Mr. Brent knew at what kelvin the white light from the LED was
burning for all the signs. Mr. Brent stated he did not know.
There was continued discussion regarding the lighting for this application as well as the
sign lighting in Vienna.
Ms. Hanley asked if the sign was similar to other FedEx offices. Mr. Brent stated it was
and that there is an industry standard for lighting and that it will look exactly like other
FedEx stores.
Ms. Hyde asked if FedEx was the only tenant in the building currently. Mr. Brent stated he
wasn’t sure. Mr. D’Orazio stated that as far as staff was aware there FedEx was the only
tenant. He also stated that the names on the other signs in the rendering were from the
original façade renovation.
Mr. Cheselka inquired about the difference in the logo on the monument and façade. He
asked if they were both standard logos and why are they using the 2 different colors. Mr.
Brent stated the monument sign is closer to the ground with a different view distance
which is the reason for the difference in color. There was continued discussion of the
color and lighting on the pylon sign.
There being no further questions or discussion a motion was in order.
Mr. Cheselka made a motion that request for approval of signage located at 328 Maple
Avenue East, (Docket No. BAR-03-18), be approved as submitted.
Motion: Cheselka
Second: Baldwin
Approved: 5-0
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5 Exterior modifications for Vienna Shopping Center, space 15, located at 146 Maple
Avenue West
Request for approval of exterior modification for Vienna Shopping Center-Space 15
located at 146 Maple Avenue West, (Docket No. BAR-02-18), in the C-2 General
Commercial zoning district; Stephen Kenny, architect.
Mr. Stephen Kenny was present to represent the proposed exterior modification
application.
Mr. Baldwin asked if it was just the one unit. Mr. Kenny stated it was just the one unit and
then explained what would work they were doing on the front and the rear. Mr. Baldwin
then asked if the front door would be wider and Mr. Kenny stated that it would be the alcove
going into the door under the canopy.
Mr. Layer asked if everything else would remain the same. Mr. Kenny stated everything
else would remain the same. Mr. Layer asked what the railing in the back would be
composed of and Mr. Kenny stated it was painted steel.
Ms. Hanley asked if the door in the rear would be removed / sealed in. Mr. Kenny stated it
would be sealed with CMU (cement block). Ms. Hanley then asked about if the bollards at
the rear would be similar to the unit next door. Mr. Kenny said yes. Ms. Hanley asked if
there would be a new light over the door and Mr. Kenny stated it would be a new light and it
would match the others. There was continued discussing the rear of the entire building in
regards to pedestrian cross walks, the access road, and the ramps.
There being no further questions or discussion a motion was in order.
Mr. Baldwin made a motion that the request for approval of exterior modification for
Vienna Shopping Center-Space 15 located at 146 Maple Avenue West, (Docket No.
BAR-02-18), be approved as submitted.
Motion: Baldwin
Second: Cheselka
Approved: 5-0
6 Exterior modifications for USAA located at 527 Maple Avenue East
Request for approval of exterior modifications for USAA located at 527 Maple Avenue East,
(Docket No. BAR-06-18), in the C-1 Local Commercial zoning district; filed by Shawn
Johnson, agent.
Mr. Johnson was present to represent the application for exterior modification.
There was initial discussion about the lumens and foot candles in regards to the lighting
in this application.’
Ms. Hanley asked which strip light would be used. Mr. Johnson stated it would be a 4 foot
LED inside the ATM room. Ms. Hanley asked if the existing exterior lighting would be
removed and Mr. Johnson stated it would stay. Ms. Hanley and Mr. Layer commented
about the existing lighting and the addition of more lighting. Mr. Johnson stated there
would be additional lighting due to the bank standards for lighting requirements, for
security reasons, not being met. There was continued discussion regarding the existing
lights and the new lights. Ms. Hanley asked why the height of the wall mounts were 15
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feet and the poles were 10 feet. Mr. Johnson stated the wall packs were setback further
from the curb so they needed to be set higher to reach the drive lane.
Mr. Baldwin asked where the poles would be located. Mr. Johnson stated they would be
located at the exit side of the ATM around 8-10 feet apart placed between the 3 trees at the
exit side of the ATM.
There was continued discussion regarding the location of the wall mount and the pole
lighting.
Ms. Hanley asked what the physical project of the pole lights. Mr. Johnson stated the light
fixture projects out a maximum of 11 ½ inches.
Mr. Layer asked what is maintained for the average foot candle of the pole lights. Mr.
Johnson stated the average they like to reach is 2 foot candles. Mr. Layer stated the
Illuminating Engineer Society recommends1 foot candle for suburban and 1.5 for urban.
He asked Mr. Johnson why their foot candle is double what is recommended by the
engineering society. He then asked if there was other data that would suggest that it was
the proper lighting level. Mr. Johnson stated it was the proper lighting level under USAA
bank’s lighting requirements for security purposes. Mr. Johnson also explained the
industry standards for bank lighting.
There was continued discussion regarding the level of lighting and how it will affect future
applications when looking at lighting and lighting levels. Mr. Layer requested this
application be kept open and on record when looking at lighting in the future.
There being no further questions or discussion a motion was in order.
Ms. Hanley made a motion that the request for approval of exterior modifications for USAA
located at 527 Maple Avenue East, (Docket No. BAR-06-18), be approved as submitted.
Motion: Hanley
Second: Hyde
Approved: 5-0
7 Meeting Adjournment
New Business:
Discussion began regarding election for chairman of the board. Ms. Hyde nominated Mr.
Layer for another term as Chairman for the board.
Motion: Hyde
Second: Cheselka
Approved: 5-0
Mr. Cheselka stated the Vienna Arts Commission requested a work session regarding a
mural that has been commissioned for the Vienna Shopping Center. There was discussion
regarding the timeline and items needed for mural review. It was decided the work session
should be at 8 am on April 5th.
Mr. D’Orazio mentioned the two work sessions, as a reminder, scheduled for the morning
of January 26th beginning at 8am. He also stated Vienna Market requested a work
session with the BAR and asked the board what date would work for the board. The board
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decided that 8 am on February 2nd would work for them.
There was a brief overview of the use of Granicus / iLegislate for board members to utilize
their iPads for reviewing agenda items before and during board meetings.
Mr. Cheselka made a motion to close the meeting. Mr. Baldwin seconded the motion. The
meeting adjourned at 9:05 PM.
Respectfully submitted by,
Sharmaine Abaied
Board Clerk
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STANDARDS. TRANSLATION SERVICES, ASSISTANCE OR ACCOMMODATION REQUESTS FROM PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES
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Agenda
Town of Vienna 127 Center Street South
Vienna, Virginia 22180
p: 703.255.6341
TTY 7111
Meeting Agenda
Board of Architectural Review
Thursday, January 18, 2018 8:00 PM COUNCIL CHAMBERS-VIENNA TOWN HALL
1 Roll Call:
2 Approval of the Minutes:
3 BAR17-014 Signage for Magnolia Coffee Shop located at 431 Maple Avenue West
Attachments: BAR-01-18-sr-Magnolia
431 Maple Ave W_Application
431 Maple Ave W
431 Maple Ave W - Awning Style 4917
4 BAR17-015 Signage for FedEx Office located at 328 Maple Avenue East
Attachments: BAR-01-18-sr-328 Maple Avenue East_FedEx
328 Maple Ave E BAR_Revised Drawing 3
FedEx Office Vienna REV ARB app
5 BAR17-016 Exterior modifications for Vienna Shopping Center, space 15, located at 146 Maple
Avenue West
Attachments: BAR-02-18-sr-146 Maple Ave. W_ADA
BAR-Vienna-SPACE 15 - BAR-CIVIL-REV
BAR-Vienna-Space15-ARCH-REV
BAR-Vienna-Space15-REVapplication-copy
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6 BAR17-017 Exterior modifications for USAA located at 527 Maple Avenue East
Attachments: BAR-04-18-sr-USAA
USAA ATM - 527 Maple Electrical
BAR Exterior Modifications Application 2018-Site Lighting-Signed
Area Light Fixture-DSXWPM-Specs
Wall Mounted LED-D Series-Specs
4ft LED Strip-zl2n-Specs
lighting fixture
USAA Vienna 7.13 (43)
USAA Vienna 7.13 (47)
Recessed Canopy Light-28W LED
7 Meeting Adjournment
THE TOWN OF VIENNA IS COMMITTED TO FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICANS
WITH DISABILITIES ACT STANDARDS. TRANSLATION SERVICES, ASSISTANCE OR
ACCOMMODATION REQUESTS FROM PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES ARE TO BE
REQUESTED NOT LESS THAN 3 WORKING DAYS BEFORE THE DAY OF THE EVENT.
PLEASE CALL (703) 255-6304, OR 711 VIRGINIA RELAY SERVICE FOR THE HEARING
IMPAIRED.
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