Board of Trustees
Regular MeetingWalden, NY · June 7, 2022
Minutes
Village of Walden
Board of Trustees Regular Meeting
June 7, 2022
Mayor Ramos called the regular meeting of the Village of Walden Board of Trustees to order at
6:30pm.
On roll call the following were: Mayor: John Ramos
Present: Deputy Mayor Willie Carley
Trustees Lynn Thompson
Becky Pearson
Brian Sebring
Absent: Patricia Maher
John Elliott
Also Present: John Revella, Village Manager
Marisa Kraus, Village Clerk
Kelly A. Kelly, Village Treasurer
Dave Donovan, Village Attorney
Public Hearing – Local Law 2 of 2022 -Landlord Registry
Trustee Sebring made a motion to open Public Hearing Local Law 2 of 2022 – Landlord Registry.
Seconded by Trustee Thompson. All ayes. Motion carried.
Mary Ellen Matise: I've spoken about this before and a little birdie has told me that maybe some of
the things that I addressed are going to be looked at and some revisions made to the original
concept, hopefully so that people with single family rentals aren't being charged to register every
year, which I think is kind of onerous. I just hope you find a more effective way to do it so that
we're not relying on fees.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I know we discussed before about keeping it open or closing it so that we
can make some revisions and we look at the local law in general, correct?
Attorney Donovan: That's correct. My suggestion would be, make revisions, and close the public
hearing, because the public hearing is about this local law. So if you're interested in revising it,
depending on the extent of the revising it would be a new local law, new public hearing. But this
public hearing should be closed.
Trustee Pearson: I met with Dean and Darleen last week. They had some great ideas and we
wanted to bring those forward tonight, which may prove to be very good for the Village of Walden.
Save some money, save some time. I would like to make the motion to close the public hearing and
not really vote on that one and reopen some discussion tonight on what can happen and be
productive for the Village of Walden.
Deputy Mayor Carley: We're going to make a motion, which you don't have to always make the
motion.
Trustee Pearson: I don't have to make a motion.
Deputy Mayor Carley: The discussion was if we're going to continue with it or not, so we're going
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to close it because that's what we said last time. We're going to make a motion. I just want to make
it clear that the Mayor and whoever is directing should kind of direct that.
Trustee Pearson: Anybody can make a motion.
Deputy Mayor Carley: No, I'm not saying you can't make a motion. I'm just saying that we're
going to make it because that's a discussion. But you don't have to always make the motion.
Trustee Pearson: I don't always make the motion, but I would make this one if you want me to.
Thank you.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I prefer that the Chair makes it. We'll move forward that way. That's all. I
do agree with you 100%.
Trustee Pearson: Okay.
Trustee Thompson: Are we going to have some discussion right now?
Deputy Mayor Carley: The public comment was closed. Then we were going to have the
discussion because we specifically said last meeting that we're going to look at the local law and
we're going to make sure that we go through it and then Trustee Pearson went through and talked to
Dean, which is great and that's where we want to go moving forward. Sounds good?
Trustee Thompson: So, Dean's not going to speak?
Building Inspector Stickles: I spoke at last meeting that I'm looking for an annual fee of $25 that
not charged now. If you're going to close the public hearing that's presented and go with what I
discussed Trustee Pearson, then I don't have a comment on that.
Trustee Thompson made a motion to close Public Hearing – Local Law 2 of 2022 – Landlord
Registry. Seconded by Trustee Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Public Hearing - CDBG
Trustee Pearson: There's nothing in my packet that says what we're talking about tonight, so
maybe we could hear about that first.
Manager Revella: What does the public want us to work on?
Trustee Pearson: I thought you were going to put something in the packet that would have some
ideas of what you wanted for the Village.
Manager Revella: The only things that we talked about, which we discussed last time, was trying
to continue to remediate our I&I issues, which is a sewer issue. If we can.
Trustee Pearson: Where is that in Walden?
Manager Revella: Main Street, a little bit of Oak Street, down West Main Street is our section for
HUD. Trying to do sewer lining and smoke testing. We have a section right now going along Main
Street. We want to continue that and other sections to try and alleviate the issue.
Trustee Pearson: What do you want to happen? Do you want it to be smoking or do you want it to
be the fixing and lining?
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Manager Revella: You have to smoke in order to know where to fix the line. So, it's both. That's
what we did last CDBG as well.
Deputy Mayor Carley: For clarity, can you list that again.
Manager Revella: It's sewer lining and smoke testing. Kind of go hand in hand, which we need to
continue.
Trustee Pearson: Have we done the other ones yet?
Manager Revella: We haven't been able to because the county hasn't released the funds, because
the federal government hasn't released the funds to the county.
Trustee Pearson: We're 2 years behind.
Manager Revella: We will be. This is the second year now just starting.
Trustee Pearson: There's nothing else that would be beneficial besides that?
Manager Revella: That's eligible? It's hard. The projects to get approved are usually utility projects
and the need for us, the Village right now, is sewer. We're going to talk about that in attorney client
as well regarding the DEC.
Trustee Pearson: They have different years like one, two or three year projects. Would it be
beneficial to go out for one that's longer for maybe the sewer plant, can that be possible?
Manager Revella: The sewer plants not in the district, we can't. But we can go for a three year,
there's nothing against it. We usually try to get some insight as to whether they will approve a three
year and if they won't we say we would accept a one, but we'd prefer a three. We always go with
that caveat to see what they can do, and it depends how much money they have.
Trustee Pearson: And there are no sidewalks that need to be redone in that area?
Manager Revella: Sidewalks are not a preferred project for them. They're difficult to get. We try to
push them in through ADA to the back door. But our need right now is for sewer. I want to fix the
sidewalks, but we need to do the sewer.
Trustee Pearson: It has to be in that space, it can't be something that services that space. It can't be
like our wells or something else that would help service that part of the community?
Manager Revella: Not this grant.
Deputy Mayor Carley: What's the dollar amount that we were looking at sewer?
Manager Revella: The 3 year max I think is $375 or 1 year is $125. So, we look for the max for the
one or the three for that type of project, depending on what feedback we get from the public and
from the board.
Trustee Pearson: My issue is that they're going to do Main Street repaving and all of a sudden
you're going to do smoke testing there and they're going to say we need to fix it and you're going to
tear it up in two months.
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Manager Revella: We tried to push them forward to get it done before.
Trustee Sebring: Yes, but what's underneath the blacktop on Main Street, they're only going to
cover it over. Now if they've got to go for sewer rehab on Main Street, they're going to have to dig
up what's there.
Trustee Pearson: Can we go for sewer rehab up on Main Street? Because we know those pipes are
terrible underneath of there.
Manager Revella: We can't yet because we've already done the grant to do the smoke testing and
lining because we didn't want to dig through that mess on state road.
Trustee Pearson: I'm fine with that if that's the only option we have.
Trustee Thompson made a motion to open public hearing – CDBG. Seconded by Trustee Sebring.
All ayes. Motion carried.
Mary Ellen Matise: I call it the Bradley Curse because when they did this building and they were
outside doing all the construction, they got the building done, Bradley had everything to set up,
these tables. They found out they had to dig up the whole sidewalk because of the sewer. What else
is new in Walden? It's the Bradley Curse. But you wouldn't get the money in time for when they're
doing the road work. They did West Main Street fast. I think downtown here, it's going to be a little
more complicated. Too bad that you wouldn't be able to do it at the same time.
Manager Revella: We tried. We actually got the grant a year ago, so we would have this done in
time but the feds haven't released it.
Mary Ellen Matise: Of course, being reduced to only one census district now that qualifies. What
else are you going to do? So you might as well do the sewer.
Trustee Sebring made a motion to close the public hearing CDBG. Seconded by Trustee Pearson.
All ayes.
Manager’s Report
Manager Revella: Since last meeting, obviously continuing with responding to concerns with the
public concerning outstanding bills. Went through the tax re-levy issues with the incoming
Treasurer. Went through invoices. Started to go through a lot of the paperwork to catch up on things
and getting ready for audits that are coming up, including the workers comp audit. I've been
meeting with the engineer and contractor to review progress at the Community Center. Went over
projects on Oak Street and the West Main Street and paving along South Montgomery as well. Had
a couple more police officer interviews for candidates for the position. We're contemplating making
a selection soon to fill the vacancy and then going on from there. Attended a few FEMA meetings
going through our paperwork with FEMA to get reimbursements for damages from last year.
Orange County Transit met with the Mayor, myself, the Village Attorney, Village Engineer, the
Building Inspector to review progress at their site on 52 to see how we can get things moving. They
should be at the next meeting. They gave us a timeline of construction as well. Went over summer
camp and started doing the counselor interviews for summer camp counselors. Had a conference
with Lovell Safety to go over experience module in our coming year expenses for workers comp.
Our rate is going up now because of our claims from the Police Department. Went over some things
with IT and insurance company regarding cyber coverage to make sure we're good. Went over the
rates. Our rate was a little bit higher than what we had estimated. We will have to fix that, the
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Treasurer was working on that as well. Went to the Associations of Towns Villages and Cities
meeting at 88 Charles St. They talked about different things in community and helping out with
some funding issues. Attended the Memorial Day ceremony. That was very wonderful as always.
Reviewed some applications from the internal job postings. Posted external now as well. And we'll
be reviewing those as they come up. Went over some grievances with the special counsel on CSEA
and PBA. Parks continue doing maintenance, reviewing progress at Community Center and
reviewing park use requests. Tennis finished this week. Flag football starting up soon and working
on the summer camp preparations. The Building Inspector issued 9 building permits, 8 certificates
of compliance, and 9 COs. They've been working on continuing fire and safety inspections, and the
Building Inspector also contacted companies for the rear stairs to try and get some quotes. They
issued 46 notices to landlords for having failed to provide the registration information and 40
property maintenance violations. And Code Enforcement Officer also assisted with inspections
permits, issuing 6 permits, 9 certificate of compliance and completed a residential and commercial
fire and safety inspection. Clerk has been updating Facebook and the website, working on 207c
with myself and special counsel and personal matters, helping with the finance department, their
coverage and assisting with residents’ requests. Finance office is working hard to cover due to the
new treasurer, who is coming in this June 1st and also the Deputy being on maternity leave,
working on accounts and deposits, updating insurance payments and health, dental and vision. Gasb
84 update, IRS taxes, payroll calculations, from the budget due to error in the PBA contract
translated into budget, updating ARPA, scheduling workers comp audit, which we scheduled for
next week. The Treasurer is actually happy to discuss any details in exec if the board so chooses.
DPW has been maintaining vehicles. Water Department replace 6 meters, 31 mark outs, 4 closings,
swapped 2 endpoints and done 2 inspections. Following up on issues with myself regarding some
things going on up on Clinton and Gladstone. We've found we're able to test all the lines to find the
source of some water up there. It's from one of the house. They continued patching and sweeping
roads, the water readings, assisting in capital projects, flushing and jetting. The police obviously
have staffing issues due to people being out on leave. They issued 6 traffic tickets, 4 parking
summonses, 7 MVA were attended to, 6 arrests and responded to 458 blotter since last meeting.
Trustee Pearson: Last meeting, we talked about the MS4 report that you were going to get some
information on. We didn't see that in the packet either.
Manager Revella: They updated it with the request from the board. They should be submitting the
new version for uploading onto the website. I don't have it back yet from the engineer.
Trustee Pearson: The Community Center update. What's going on?
Manager Revella: We had to wait for the sprinkler testing before they can put the floors in. They
got that tested so they can start getting that done. Next, is paint and floors and then just finish work
really after that.
Trustee Pearson: Are we talking about June timeframe?
Manager Revella: It should be. The inside should be ready to be occupied by the end of the month.
We still have some outdoor stuff that needs to be done. Sidewalks have to be put in and some other
parking areas leveled out. But that's about it. We'll try and work on the same time.
Trustee Pearson: The shared services grant writer, did we do something? Are we doing something
to finalize something?
Manager Revella: He's been reviewing grant applications for us to see what are eligible for. I have
a meeting with him on Thursday to go over stuff.
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Trustee Pearson: Backstairs painting. I did send you somebody.
Building Inspector Stickles: I contacted *inaudible* and Serta Pro Painters, Serta came and I've
received quotes from no one.
Trustee Pearson: Walnut Street resurfacing that was supposed to be done or not done or is that
being done?
Manager Revella: The micro sealing? As soon as we can get a contractor.
Trustee Pearson: Our garbage contract is up when?
Manager Revella: May 31, 2023.
Trustee Pearson: Did you happen to check on the easements from the Planning Board meeting
about the tank that's up there for the property owner? There was a big to do with the Planning Board
meeting of an easement that they didn't know why there was an easement there for the Village at the
top of the hill at the Sister's old place. The water tower. Did we ever finalize that that is what that
easement is for, for the Village?
Manager Revella: I don't know if we ever got that.
Trustee Pearson: I was at that Planning Board meeting when the new people bought the Gladstone
Avenue. And there was an easement that nobody knew what the easement was for. It was on the
plans. So Queenan was talking about looking into it and I had asked John about it a couple meetings
ago. I haven't heard anything further, so we're just wondering if that easement is staying on the
plans, whether it needs to be on the plans. I know it's a Planning Board issue, but maybe it's a
Village issue if we do need that easement for the water tower that's up there at the water tank.
Manager Revella: I don't know why they would ever take away an easement. I would never
recommend that. Planning Board can't take away our easement.
Trustee Pearson: Whether it was on one plan, it's not on another plan. I think there was an issue.
So somebody might want to look into that. Thank you. The Bank Street houses that house next to
Millspaugh Furniture’s Parking lot. What is going on with that?
Manager Revella: They've been working on the house.
Trustee Pearson: The second house they've been working on, not the first one. The first house has
no violations on it?
Manager Revella: They did get cited for stuff in the yard.
Trustee Pearson: You have posted a job opening for administrative aide. What is that about?
Manager Revella: Maternity leave coverage.
Trustee Pearson: So it's only part time and that'll be done when the person comes back?
Manager Revella: That's the goal. Temporary.
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Trustee Pearson: Construction on Main Street, you didn't mention that they're going to start the
next part of it. Do you know when that's happening?
Manager Revella: No. The engineer in charge said that the bid has not been awarded yet.
Trustee Pearson: And I've heard some rumors about moving Veterans Park to Olley Park. What do
you know about that? Hopefully it's not true.
Manager Revella: I don't know how you can move a park.
Deputy Mayor Carley: Like redesignate it somewhere else?
Manager Revella: There's a Veterans sitting area that was part of an Eagle Scout project at Olley
Park. That's the only thing that happened.
Trustee Pearson: I just didn't know if it was maybe miscommunication. What I would like is
possibly to have a little bit more information on some reports that you give us for meetings. I
wouldn't have to ask all these questions if there was a little bit more information.
Manager Revella: If you have questions for me, I can have them ready for the board meeting if
you ask them ahead of time. I don't know what information you're looking for.
Trustee Pearson: Let's use Dean's report. There are violations there. What are they for? They just
they did violations. I'd just like to know what they're for. Police, how many traffic stops, for what?
Manager Revella: It has so many tickets were issued. I'm not going to tell you, this guy was going
75 in a 40.
Trustee Pearson: No, but it doesn't mean, is it speeding? Is it stop signs? What is it? Where is it?
Why are these issues happening and where are they happening? I'd just like a little more
information. I think we're pretty vague on what's being given to me.
Deputy Mayor Carley: Does everybody feel that way that, the reports are too vague? I personally
don't think so because I don't think we have to get in the weeds because that's somebody else's job.
Trustee Sebring: The reports that we used to get, they were interesting if you wanted to read them.
But if only one person really wants to read them, then I don't know.
Trustee Thompson: I honestly feel like we should have a little bit more information. I know that
came up for discussion before because we have a Village Manager form of government. So the
Department Heads answer to the Village Manager. But we did used to get a little bit more
information and I would like to see maybe not as detailed as we used to have, but a little more
information. I feel like these are just redundant. Every single word. Every week it's the same. It's
almost like a scripted, well, we're working on this. I agree that I wish we had a little bit more detail
in the reports. If you want us to call you ahead of time.
Manager Revella: If there's something you're interested in knowing more information about, I'd be
happy to share. I just don't know what kind of minutiae you want to get into.
Trustee Thompson: We used to get more information in the packet and I feel like we've gone from
here to here and I'd like to be here, I'd like a little bit more, but I don't need to know every single
solitary thing. But I do agree with Becky some of this it seems a little generic.
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Deputy Mayor Carley: Maybe what we should do is, is go back and look at what's pertinent. For
instance, we talk about the Code Enforcement and he says 46, how detailed do we want that?
Because if Trustee Pearson wants to know all 46, then that's something that she can go to the
Building Dept. and they can provide that information. But I personally don't need to know all 46.
But other than that, it was addressed and that everything is moving forward if there's a problem. We
have to have a balance because we don't want them to do extra work just to have it in the packet
either. I think we as a board need to figure out that. And then we asked the Village Manager, please
beef up this report or this report. Not every single report or if it is everything report, to what degree?
Because it's unfair that we just say this is not enough. Mayor is not here and Trustee Maher is not
here and Trustee Elliott is not here. We can have a discussion. But to what degree? And fully, we
need everybody to make sure that they're in agreement or not.
Trustee Thompson: But we can still have discussion without everybody, for example, and I'm not
meaning to pick on any particular department. Begin interviewing for summer camp. We had a hard
time recruiting people to work at summer camp and there was discussion that if we did not have
adequate staffing, we may have to reduce the number of children that could go to summer camp. To
me, I would like to know, we're beginning the interviews, did we meet the quota of counselors that
we need, is it still looking like we may have to decrease enrollment in our camp program?
Manager Revella: If we needed to decrease enrollment, I would have put that point out. But we
didn't. We have enough candidates. It was a speculation that we might not have enough.
Trustee Thompson: For the 40 property maintenance violations, I'm assuming a large percentage
of those were grass violations.
Manager Revella: All of them were.
Trustee Thompson: If there were 40 for grass, where's everything else? I've had two people
personally complain to me about a house on Grant Street. I encourage everyone to go to the
Building Department or to call you, but you know how that goes. 40 violations. I would rather hear.
30 for grass maintenance, 20 for property. That's another that's kind of generic. Then we talk about
the police. There's been certain areas in town that have been a problem. We're hearing from
residents. It doesn't really say we're working on the problem on Oakland Avenue. I agree with
Trustee Pearson to an extent. I would like to see a little bit more information. I don't need to see
everything but certain things.
Manager Revella: And if there was certain aspects that addressed, I would have made a note of
that. It wasn't addressed. That's why it's not noted.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I personally think that the information is okay because I'm not really trying
to get into everything that happens in the Building Department or the Police Department other than
by exception, like here's the problem, here's the issues. As a manager, as in the board, an elected
official, we supposed to be fully aware of any problems or issues that are going on and make sure
everything is moving forward. But that's why we pay him X amount of dollars to get into the weeds
of it. However, this can make this meeting very, very long if we start getting into every single part
of the financial side. Which I think he gives us enough time in two weeks if we had any questions
or issues to address within the two weeks to bring that up. But I think it's fair too, that if there are
certain departments that we want additional information, we should put that out there so he can be
ready to present it. So, I agree that if you want something, we should point it out. If we say, the
Building Department, the Rec Department or Finance, in their reports, we want a little bit more. We
can pinpoint those so that he's not going over every single thing for the meetings.
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Trustee Pearson: That's not what I'm asking for. I'm asking for a little more detail. We need to
know that it's happening and that things are being taken care of.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I guess I'm just looking at it from what's fair to the front office too about
how much information should they put, another paragraph, another book, another sentence.
Trustee Pearson: The old Chief's report used to be very detailed. Which was kind of nice because
you knew what was going on in the Village if there's something happening on. We don't know
about that stuff anymore unless someone posts on Facebook. I kind of like to know if I live in that
neighborhood that I can warn my neighbors and say, lock your cars, this is what you need to do, we
don't get that information and that's where this can come in handy. Not that we have to talk about in
public, but let the public know generally. I'm not saying it needs to go back to that at all.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I hear what you're saying. That's why I poll the board and see what the
board says, because it's fair.
Trustee Sebring: The information that we used to get, we can't discuss that in open public, but why
don't we take the copies of the previous reports from before it was changed and have that an
executive session we can then talk about it. Delete this, yes, we want that. Then she'll know, like
from the police report, speeding and so and so road. Then we can go through all that and say yes or
no, then go from there. Is that fair?
Manager Revella: That makes sense to me. I don't have a problem sharing the reports and going
through them. They don't get into detail, like speeding on X street by this officer. That's blotters.
But I understand you're saying.
Deputy Mayor Carley: We can go in further discussion and then we'll figure out exactly what so
then you have it ready for that.
Trustee Thompson: The gentleman from the bus company is not here tonight. I just want to say
that I found the report in the packet to be very, very vague. I just feel like they keep telling us the
same thing with the same window of time, but yet these things are still not happening. Commence
installation, expecting delivery. I know there are supply chain issues and things like that, but ever
since the last meeting and the one I sat in the Planning Board with, I feel like vague is the best word
that I can use. I just feel like the reports are not as focused with information for us, with progress as
they were months previously. Is not appearing anymore?
Manager Revella: Every other meeting.
Trustee Thompson: We can ask him at the next meeting. Is the new justice here? He's in full swing
court is. On the police report. We've had several people in the neighborhood complaining about
speeding. Are we still working on that?
Manager Revella: Yes. We actually contacted another agency about utilizing their speed trailer to
put on the road. So, we'll be getting that. The Village of Montgomery.
Trustee Sebring: There are two potholes that are quite deep on Edmunds Lane, and they're marked
out with orange paint. When they get time, could they fill them in because they're quite deep.
Manager Revella: Yes, they're going through road by road right now.
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Trustee Sebring: The speeding on 52 going past the ice cream stand. The hammer down seems to
be once you hit the ice cream stand or prior.
Manager Revella: Dean actually was helping us to get the speed signs moved farther out now that
the annexations took place. So we hope that helps a little bit.
Trustee Sebring: Now, my only question with the bus garage is that I'm going to ask him again
when he comes. As far as trying to find contractors now, they seem to be having the same answer.
Is it because of price? Can they get anybody so late in the start of the construction year? If you don't
have the money, that's a reason to be dragging it on. If they're doing their code complaint is that the
write ups were inside the fence. That's one thing. But we're more interested on what's going on with
the water and sewer hookup.
Manager Revella: That's what I told them.
Deputy Mayor Carley: That's the one that we're concerned about, because they're getting away
with not paying their fair share at the moment because it's not hooked up.
Trustee Thompson: The railroad tracks, they're getting worse every day. Have we heard anything?
Are we on a calendar somewhere in the state of New York?
Manager Revella: No.
Trustee Thompson: What do we have to do?
Manager Revella: I requested DOT to put us on the list, I think it was four years ago. That's how
we got Coldenham Rd on the list and they said they would get to it when they can. Then when we
were doing Coldenham Rd, we met with them on site and said please to do Grant Street, and they
said they would look at it and if we ever needed any patching, the railroad company would throw a
patch in there. But they're not upgrading the crossing yet. It's New York State DOT that has to
decide to do that.
Trustee Thompson: Well, we're well beyond patching.
Trustee Sebring: That needs to be patched.
Trustee Thompson: Is there anything as a board that we can do? Is this something we should be
contacting our state legislative people about?
Manager Revella: As I told the Mayor when he met with me the other day, I let them know that on
this coming Tuesday, I have a meeting with New York State DOT. Regional, which I'll bring it up
at the meeting again. But obviously, any letters from the board, officially, help as well. I'm not sure
which legislators on the committee for DOT, it was Skoufis, I don't know if he is still on it or not,
but that's a good one to reach out to.
Trustee Thompson: I wanted to ask, are we anywhere yet hearing anything about our electric
charging station?
Manager Revella: Waiting for the contract.
Trustee Thompson: Going to the services today for Marcus Millspaugh, a topic that came up was
the waterfront park. Several people in the family asked about that. I told them we were awarded the
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grant and I don't really know where it's going yet, that there's been schematics drawn, the area was
cleared. I directed them to you.
Manager Revella: I talked to Keith (Millspaugh) about it before. I let him know that we had it out
for bid and we got no bids back, so we had to rebid it. They are due back this week. Hopefully we
get some people to respond.
Deputy Mayor Carley: The Community Center. I know we had something before, are we doing
another grand opening or something to that effect when it's actually finished?
Manager Revella: I hope so.
Mayor Ramos: The report from Orange County Transit. Obviously, it was generated from our last
meeting that we had questioning Mr. Mirando. The report is pretty detailed and it gives specific
dates on which hasn't even arrived yet. Confirm and coordinate with contractor for water and sewer
connection by 6/10. We are in the middle of the school year right now, so we have to give him some
leeway on still moving the busses within the confines so he can start working on the berm. He has
6/13/22, removal of busses and tractor trailers from the area in eastern boundary of the site. The
next thing is fencing. He expects delivery of fencing materials by 6/26. He's complied with
everything that we've asked for him. I know he may be delayed in certain things, but I think once
the school year has terminated and he's allowed freedom within his yard, that it will be taken care
of. As for water, he's already got water hooked up. Now, we're just waiting for him to approve his
contractor. Any business guy is going to realize that he's going to figure out who the best contractor
is. We got to give him some at least some leeway on his ability right now. I know Dean has been
talking to him frequently and he knows that it's on our radar and we'll continue to put our thought
processes with him. He knows where we stand as a Village Board.
Approval of May 17, 2022, Minutes
Trustee Pearson: Page 12, make a motion not emotion.
Trustee Sebring made a motion to approve the May 17, 2022 Minutes with corrections. Seconded
by Deputy Mayor Carley. 4 ayes. 0 nays. 1 abstention (Trustee Thompson). Motion carried.
Public Comment
Brenda Adams: 31 Valley Ave. This is just an update on the letter that I sent as Chairperson of the
Zoning board regarding Fences. The Building Inspector let me know that the Village is no longer
using the R2 or the R6 zones. They're still on our sheets, but they're not a valid zone. The problem
is still there, those two zones are no longer in effect. Thank you.
Mary Ellen Matise: 54 Gladstone Ave. What I want to show you is that, if every time somebody
comes in for this two foot difference, the Building Department prepares a whole packet for us.
Granted, the party has to bring in their deed, but then the Building Department has to give us the tax
map, has to give us copies of the deed. They make copies of the application. It may not be the only
item on the agenda because the Building Inspector brings it to our house. But if it's the only item on
the agenda, he's going to lose five or six people's houses just bringing this one thing. So are you
talking about time, effort, money in the long run for something that could be uniform throughout
the Village.
Local Law 2 of 2022 – Landlord Registry
Manager Revella: I know that the Building Inspector had discussed possibly doing them every
other year to include fire and safety, to save on costs. I know Trustee Pearson was in favor of that
option as well and may have some other options to discuss as well with the board.
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Trustee Pearson: I want to thank Dean and Darlene for sitting with me. I think it stemmed from
the last meeting when we talked about possibly doing longer timeframes. I sent them the
information as I sent you the information as well. This idea is really their idea, which I can't take
credit for, but I think it's awesome. What they're talking about is we send out a fire inspection every
two years and there are different zones. There's a zone one for certain places and zone two and three
for other places. We wanted to maybe combine the landlord registry with the fire and safety, so it's
one mailing and they have to get it back to us within, we say 30 days right now if we want to
change it to 45 or 35, whatever, you want that to come back at. And if they don't return that because
our all the packets are going out the same time. It's every other year. So, it saves time, paper. And if
the person doesn't get that back to us, the landlord registry part, we're not charging another fee so
the initial $65 for your fire and safety and then it'd be $25 for your initial landlord registry plus your
units depending on whether it's 2 family and up and commercial is the same. They don't even have
single family yet. But we are also maybe wanting to talk about the single family part of it too,
because they've gone from 25 houses to 125 single rental homes in the Village, and there's no fire
inspection and there is no landlord registry for that either. That would be like a one-time fee as well.
We're just trying to save some money and they were very open to that idea.
Building Inspector Stickles: Every two years we send out fire and safety inspection. We do area
one year and then the following year we do area two and three. We figured if we combined sending
out the landlord registry and the fire and safety inspection at the same time, we could put them all
on the same packet. We could save some time and energy, but I still would like to charge the $25
every other year for the landlord registry. Then I would like to have maybe not myself, but maybe
Mike in the next year talk about a fee for single family because we did go from 25 when we first
came up with the fee schedule for landlords. We have about 120-125 single family rental right now
that they're don't pay anything. They just register with us. It might be something the board might
want to look at in the future.
Trustee Pearson: And you don't do fire and safety on them now?
Building Inspector Stickles: Not at this time, no. But it's important that they are inspected at some
point because they are rental units. You look for exiting, for extension cords, you look for smoke
detectors, you look for the heating system to make sure that nobody stores anything around and
make sure everything's working properly. Basic safety things.
Trustee Pearson: And you did talk about further, if there happened to be a fire, you did an
inspection and a month and a half later, there was a fire the basement. The fire inspectors come to
you because you did the inspection. So, they're looking to see what was in the way, if there's any
issues. It effects the tenants and the homeowners as well.
Building Inspector Stickles: It's a protection for the Village and its protection for the tenants and
the landlords.
Manager Revella: It's to confirm their insurance as well. Did they have the smoke detectors? The
report says yes. They can actually get reimbursed.
Deputy Mayor Carley: The issue originally wasn't about fire and safety inspections, it was just
about the registry of the $25 per year, correct?
Building Inspector Stickles: The fire and safety inspection is $65 every time you do it. Every two
years. We figured that we would combine the mailings of both the fire and safety and the landlord
registry in Area one. And then when we do area two and three, so we wouldn't have separate
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mailings and would be done every two years instead of every year, which the code requires now.
Deputy Mayor Carley: Okay, so every two years the $25 is still proposed?
Building Inspector Stickles: It's a proposal from our office to the board.
Manager Revella: And to include the singles.
Trustee Pearson: The board doesn't have to do that. They can still do it every two years initially
when someone signs up. Talk about the initial signing of when somebody buys a piece of property.
Building Inspector Stickles: That was in a memo of the last meeting. When you buy a 2 family or
up, you pay a $25 fee plus $10 per unit. Right now, it's a one-time fee. You never pay again unless
you transfer title. I would just proposing that to cover cost of all of that items and it would take to
send things out that the $25 would cover. It's something I'm proposing. I proposed it at the budget
time. I'm proposing it again, it's not something you have to do.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I get it. I just want to make sure that because the issue on the table was that
what you propose about the $25 per year and now we're saying every two years, which is fine
because you combining. That's all. Just for clarity that it wasn't the issue about fire inspections and
everything. It was just about the $25. It's a compromise.
Trustee Pearson: And depending on what time frame the Village decides like they have to have
this paperwork back within 30 days or 45 days. If that paperwork is not, they then can send out a
violation notice instead and take them to court and just send them to court.
Manager Revella: The longer you take to get them back, the longer it takes them to schedule and
then it starts backing him up for other things.
Building Inspector Stickles: I wouldn't go any more than 45 days.
Trustee Pearson: They go out in July of every year and then they have until April to schedule their
fire and safety inspection. But they would only have 30 days to get their landlord registry back.
Then that violation could be on the landlord registry if they don't send that back within 30 days.
Building Inspector Stickles: We really don't have any problem with fire and safety inspections.
They schedule them within the next two weeks or a couple of months out. But they're all scheduled.
The only thing I have trouble with people sending back the form.
Deputy Mayor Carley: 30 days is fine and then just require them to send it back.
Building Inspector Stickles: If we're going to send them combined, I would go to 45 days. It's not
going to change anything.
Trustee Sebring: But the longer you let them have to send it back, the more it gets pushed to the
side and buried in other papers.
Trustee Pearson: You can really you can leave the fire inspection. You're not changing that. Just
the date for the landlord registry and that's not going to change because it's either 45 or 30.
Trustee Thompson: Don't you think it would be more effective and easier if everything went out at
once and all the replies came back at once?
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Building Inspector Stickles: If you're going to send them both out at the same time. The timeframe
is going to be the same.
Trustee Pearson: They call you for the inspection. They don't send the paperwork back for fire
inspection. So anything they're sending back is the landlord registry.
Trustee Thompson: I read all of the E-code information that you sent. Did you model this plan on
something that you read that works for someone else or you guys came up with this would be the
best thing for how we handle?
Building Inspector Stickles: That's how we came up with what would work for us. But also most
of the stuff that she sent out we're discussing right now.
Trustee Thompson: I was on the board when we revisited the landlord registry and the fire and
safety, years ago, and I get it. It's time to rethink it. Things have changed. I think it's a good idea.
Building Inspector Stickles: If it doesn't work, we can always revisit it again.
Mayor Ramos: Just for clarity, you're talking about an additional $25 every two years or are you
talking about $25 on a monthly basis for the landlord?
Building Inspector Stickles: I'm talking about sending both the landlord registry and the fire and
safety inspection letter at the same time, the fire safety will be $65 as it is now. It'll just change that
there would be a $25 fee for the landlord registry. No matter whether you have a two family house
or an eight family house. It's only going to cost $25.
Mayor Ramos: It changes once it the house flips to another owner and then it goes back to zero.
Building Inspector Stickles: Yes.
Trustee Thompson: I've talked to Dean and Darlene in the past. I didn't talk to them about this, but
I did read all the E-code information that Trustee Pearson sent us. I know there's been dialog about
mailings and emails and how to make it more streamlined. To me, the less you do to get the same
result, the better it is. I think this is a good idea because it's more time efficient, it saves money
because they're not doing all these mailings. It makes the record keeping a little bit easier. You're
going now for two years. So actually it's less money for the landlords. I think it's a good idea that
we really give it serious consideration. And if it's a flop, we'll have Dean back here again and we'll
come up with a plan B.
Trustee Sebring: I believe, every two years to send the fire inspection and registry, because there's
so many new landlords, 25 to well over 100. That's a lot. And it's probably going to increase more
in the next year. So, in order to keep up on the single family homes, I believe that we should at least
look into inspecting the single family homes, whether they like it or not that are rentals to keep the
landlord's up to date on supposedly what's wrong with their places and they get a lot of that stuff
fixed for the tenants, which they deserve to have a safe place to live.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I'm agreeing with everything that was said. The only thing that I think we
should still do with everyone review the registry itself, the information in the whole law so that we
can make sure, Trustee Pearson sent out some information about the different ones that are out
there, that we look at it and see if there are some other areas also if we want to make some changes
or some amendments. And I just believe that what Dean and Darlene put together is a good thing
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and it agrees with everyone else saying that it cost it won't be a burden to the landlords, but at the
same time it puts in a position to put some teeth behind getting the information back so that the
Building Department can do its part.
Building Inspector Stickles: I'm going to agree with the process of creating an efficient Building
Department and giving them the tools that is needed in order to facilitate especially fire and safety
inspections and landlord registries. I think two years is fair for them to build them. I remember
correctly when we were doing this five years ago that we did tell the landlords that we were ending.
We're not going to ask for anymore. But this is a fluid process and obviously things go up, smoke
detectors. Fire inspections get more expensive. And in order for the Building Department to
facilitate their job, we need to provide them the tools. I like the idea of two years and attaching the
fire and safety with the landlord registry at $25. Hopefully, we'll get complete compliance.
Manager Revella: I just want to make sure for clarity for Dave, do you want him to do an updated
draft with these couple of things that were agreed on and then go from that draft?
Attorney Donovan: I would typically do is take what I understand my direction is tonight have a
new introductory local law to you at the next meeting. If you're satisfied with that, you then
schedule for a public hearing. If you're not satisfied, you would send me back to my Scribner's
Room to make modifications. Then when you're satisfied, then schedule a public hearing and you
may not be satisfied. That's fine, too, but that would be the process. I'd have something in front of
you that you could act on or continue to modify the next meeting.
Mayor Ramos: Do we send to the attorney to draft a new local law?
Trustee Pearson: Yes, thank you. Would we want to add the single family to that?
Manager Revella: I was going to have them add that to the draft every two years, including single
family with the fee, $25 every two years would be the draft to review.
Deputy Mayor Carley: We can have them do it, I agree with that. But the information and
everything else in there did everyone else have a chance to look at that and have any
recommendations for anything in addition, set up to minimize the number of times we have to go
back and forth. That's all I'm asking.
CDBG
Manager Revella: Want to make sure the board has an agreement to go out for additional smoke
testing and sewer lining in the only district we have left. Initial requests for the three year. If not, go
for the one for the maximum amount allowed. There's only one HUD zone, mostly Main Street goes
down Oak Street in the peripheral, those side streets there and a little bit of the West Side to the
Cedars.
Trustee Sebring: Yes, I agree with that. Those lines are very old.
Trustee Thompson: I agree.
Trustee Pearson: Yes.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I agree also. Just clarify what the dollar amount?
Manager Revella: I think the maximum for the three years $375 and the one year is $125.
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Deputy Mayor Carley: If working on the minimum $125 would have been enough?
Manager Revella: We'll do as many feet as they let us. They might not even award the max but
could be something less than that. Whatever dollars they give us, we'll do that many more feet of
sewer line. There's a cost per foot, which, you know, we'll have to go out to bid once the city big
money comes in.
Trustee Pearson: What was the results of the last one you did?
Manager Revella: We did Valley Avenue all the way to 52, and then we did Elm near Sherman.
It's hard to tell based on the flow. But we believe that it reduced. It definitely sealed a lot of cracks.
It took the deepest sewer main that we have and lined it because to dig that up would be
ridiculously expensive. It's over 20 feet deep along parts of Valley Ave.
Section 305-21 - Fences
Manager Revella: This is to address the letter the board received from the Chairman of Zoning
Board regarding the differentiations between the fences and the different zones.
Trustee Pearson: I don't think I have an issue with that. Make it standard throughout. I think it's a
smart idea as long as it's not effecting the corner lots and front lots because your side can come
down to the front and we just need to make sure that's designated that it is not going to change at a
corner. We just had an issue with a fence on a corner recently on the Zoning Board and that had to
be set back and things like that. It's in the law already, but I just want to confirm that if we do
change it, that we're not changing it all the way down to a corner if it's on the corner a lot.
Trustee Thompson: I agree. I've gone to quite a few Zoning Board meetings and I have to say
variances and issues for fencing seem to be a hot topic. It comes up all the time. I also recall the
issues that a resident had being on a corner property with sightlines and all the other things. Most
residents that really want a fence, they will comply with whatever the Zoning Board asks them to do
so they can get that fence. Honestly, to keep it simple, I think we should make it standard in the
Village with what Rebecca was talking about, about the corners.
Trustee Sebring: I agree with Becky and Trustee Thompson about making it standard throughout
the Village and the corners.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I agree that it should be standardized. However, I think the question was
that was in the letter and Ms Adams can address it. Was there reasons before and maybe we're not
aware of the reasons before that should be discussed?
Manager Revella: Why the fences are different in different zones? When you have the larger lots,
you don't want to divide it up as much with privacy fences. More of an open plan, open yards and
the view of the neighborhood is open. When you're in the more dense areas, it becomes more
industrialized or commercial. They wanted more fences for privacy because people are so close to
you. You needed the fence for privacy and the larger lots you didn't. That's the premise.
Deputy Mayor Carley: If we standardize and say all fencing six feet, side, front and back?
Manager Revella: Sides only, not front and back, correct?
Trustee Pearson: Right.
Attorney Donovan: That was going to be my question because the memo doesn't mention rear. Is
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rear covered now?
Manager Revella: There are different sizes for different areas.
Attorney Donovan: Is it six feet?
Manager Revella: Yes. There's eight feet as well.
Building Inspector Stickles: Just to clarify, the fencing situation. In the last six years in front of
the Zoning Board, there have only been four requested fences. Two of them were corner lots. Two
of them were actual fences. I don't see an issue. Also, like I have said to the Zoning Board at the last
meeting, the applicants are the ones that propose changing their fencing. The Village doesn't require
them do it. And you're only talking about two districts or R3 and R4. Which are the only ones that
have a four foot maximum on the side yard. The Zoning Board Chair did put a very good memo
together for you to explaining this.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I don't have an issue with just the sides. But once we open a can of worms,
let's address it all. Then if there needs to be some thought about the whole thing, we can have a
discussion and make the changes as needed. I understand the six and I understand we're just doing
four. If there's an issue at the front and back in the sides and everything, why not address it now? I
understand what was presented about the sides, but are the rest in compliance? Is there a reason
beyond what the manager just said? That was that was my question for it. And I'm not aware of it. If
someone wants to put up a six foot fence on the sides, why can't they? Then I should have a good
answer for that. I do understand the corner lot, especially because if someone's coming around the
bend, you need to be to see over.
Trustee Pearson: And the front yard. That's why it's only three feet in front yard. That's even
hedges and things like that, not just a fence. We had somebody in an R5 recently who had a pool
put in and they wanted to have the privacy. I get it. It was only four feet. They don't want their
neighbors peering into them with their two young daughters with their bathing suits on and things
like that. It's a more of a privacy issue. They don't have to put up a six foot fence, but it's going to
be allowable if we need to put it up. I have a four foot in my yard because I want to be have the
visual and the open space. I don't want to be closed in, but some people want that privacy. I don't
see a problem with that at all if we make it six feet on the side. Keep it the same in the front, the
backs are already where they need to be as well. One of the issues with the fence was also part of it
was the last one was an easement that was on the Village easement. So that was a little different so
that you can relate to that one. But I don't I don't have a problem with the six foot fence.
Building Inspector Stickles: I believe in standardization. Just for the record, I believe the Chair
made a comment during public comment that R2 and R6 for the record is not in play.
Brenda Adams: It seems that there was a lot, but it's because they extended over many meetings.
The corner lots we had. I wrote this in my memo, but the corner lots, we had to talk to the police
and the fire to make sure, especially there was one where the ambulance come down, to make sure
there was no danger. That was two out of the four. Another one was because you have to send the
application to the Orange County Planning. They have 30 days to answer. These people wanted to
hurry. So they got on the agenda for Zoning Board, but we couldn't approve it because we didn't
have the Orange County approval. But it was still within the 30 days, so we couldn't approve it
without that 30 days, if they go over the 30 days, then we can override them, but we can't before
that. That's why it seems like there was a lot of conversation, but it was really just four in that
period of time.
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Manager Revella: If you would like a proposed local law from the attorney, just make that
suggestion. He'll try to do that for you.
Attorney Donovan: I will do that.
Mayor Ramos: Everybody in agreement?
All: Yes
Discussion – OLI Zone
Manager Revella: The attorney and the planner went through pretty diligently to look at our area
and other areas to see what was appropriate and saw that the lot coverage of 40% in OLI district
seemed reasonable. If the board has any questions or comments, great. If you're okay with the draft,
you can set a public hearing for next meeting and we can discuss further during a public hearing.
Trustee Pearson: I know that when I talked to at the last meeting, John, you're going to get back to
me and get me the information of where exactly this OLI is.
Manager Revella: I asked for a list of with section block and lots but I’d have to get the zoning
map to show you.
Trustee Pearson: I called the county for the most updated map. So I do know where it is. I knew
where it was before, but I just want to see if there was anything added or taken away. I have an
issue because I think that why do we want to do it for all of those, once we pass this law, if we
decide to do it, it's going to change every OLI piece of property that we have to be able to allow
that. I don't know if I feel comfortable doing that. I believe if the applicant wants to go before the
Zoning Board and want to get that changed, they can go to the Zoning Board and get it changed that
they has a problem with the property that they have. The 40% is just the building on the lot. It's not
even including parking, it's not including driveways, not green space. That's how I read it. I have
another issue on the environmental assessment form. On that assessment form it talks about, on the
very first page, a brief description of the proposed action it says "The Village of Walden proposes a
local law to amend the lot coverage of the office light industry zoning district within the business
mixed use and industrial districts". Now those are all separate units"
Attorney Donovan: May I interrupt, because you did ask me about that before the meeting. I think
it would read better if "business mixed use and industrial districts hyphen table of dimensional
regulations" were in quotation marks because that's the title of the attachment. That's the name of
the attachment. Then there's a column for OLI, the local law would only change from 30 to 40. But
that's the title. That's the sheet.
Trustee Pearson: I would like that struck out of there altogether and just put OLI.
Attorney Donovan: You really can't do that. You have to identify where you're changing it.
Trustee Pearson: I think that for me, I'm not comfortable changing all the OLIs because you're
talking about Coldenham Rd, Spence Engineering, right off of Elm Street, Ampac, Rte. 208, part of
the close to the townhouse development off of 208 as well. I think that if somebody wants to change
that, that they can certainly have their right to go to the Zoning Board and get it changed. I don't
feel I'm comfortable changing that from 30 to 40.
Trustee Thompson: I just would like to understand the advantage to changing the entire thing. I
sort of agree with her. Why do we have to change the whole thing?
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Manager Revella: You don't want to spot zone. And of all of the lots in OLI, I think only a few
that are still open the rest are already built with parking, etc. it'd be difficult to do much of a change.
But those areas where they are, that's where we want them. That's what the Village wants and that's
where the comprehensive plan wants them. That's where those places are supposed to be. Changing
the building size by 10% is insignificant, according to the memo that we got from other
municipalities as well. They're all around that range.
Trustee Pearson: But that doesn't mean that somebody can't tear down the building that's already
there and like Spence Engineering and put something bigger and more up there. That's what you're
doing. It's not just for today, it's for the next 20 years.
Manager Revella: We want more development there. Otherwise, how do we grow our Village tax
base, create jobs?
Trustee Sebring: The 30 to 40%, you want to be able to entice industry to the OLI. Increasing that
from 30-40%, in my view, is advantageous to do it because that's an area right now that really is in
discussion only has maybe one big one but you want to try to fill that land out. I would be in favor
of the change in it from the 30 to 40%.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I also I'm in favor of making the appropriate change. The reason I say that
is not only because we just want more business and bigger business, but when we take the time and
effort to go to our comp plan and we try to look at everything. When I was previously on the board,
we went to the comp plan. We go through everything and we talk about it and why we want it. We
don't want to deviate from that because we want the Village to grow and everything to prosper with
the times. I'm in favor of the 40%.
Mayor Ramos: We were on a committee for comp plan. We had our marching orders and if this
business is requesting an OLI amendment from 30 to 40, we should accommodate that for our
business that's going to enter into the Village confines and establish commerce. So I'm good with
the 30 to 40%.
Trustee Pearson: Do you know what the business is, Mayor?
Mayor Ramos: I do.
Trustee Pearson: What is it?
Mayor Ramos: I believe it's going to be a trucking service.
Deputy Mayor Carley: Is there some reason that this business is different from any other business
that we should be aware of?
Manager Revella: It's allowable use in the zone. As far as I know. Warehouse.
Trustee Pearson: It's a warehouse. Warehouse? Is it storage? What is it?
Manager Revella: Shipping and receiving. Similar to what's already at 39 Edmunds.
Deputy Mayor Carley made a motion to set public hearing for OLI local law for June 21, 2022 at
6:30pm or shortly thereafter. Seconded by Trustee Thompson. All ayes. Motion carried.
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PBF Café Outdoor
Trustee Thompson made a motion to approve the outdoor cafe permit request. Seconded by Deputy
Mayor Carley. All ayes. Motion carried.
Park Use- Alcohol Use
Trustee Sebring made a motion to approve park use alcohol use request. Seconded by Deputy
Mayor Carley. All ayes. Motion carried.
Public Comment
Mary Ellen Matise: I did send everybody here this information about the parcel that's at the edge
of the town on 208 and Osiris Road. It's up for sale, commercial. I did present it and send
everything to the Town Board members too. Probably we should also send information to maybe
Fred Reichel at the Planning Board to keep an eye out for this because anything they do there is
probably going to be before the Planning Board, either for site plan or maybe for a gas station
because it's an allowable use under their code. I sent you out there table of uses and their zoning
map. This is all the new stuff from the town so that we can keep an eye on our borders. It has
historic significance. Wileman Town was the first patent in this area, the first patent that was
developed. And you can still see I think I sent you the pictures, the Stone Bridge abutment for the
original dam. The road went over the dam instead of where we're 208 is now. It went over the dam
and that's where the mill was. And at one time, that mill, I think, might have belonged to one of the
Coldens at about the turn of the century 1800. It significance to us as a Village and in the town and
I'd hate to see a use go there that impacts us a Village and also the Tin Brook because of that it goes
right through that parcel. The Pathways Committee meets every two months and they've been doing
it by Zoom. I brought it up once before about obviously John going to OCTC and saying to them,
what about us? All they're doing is talking about like Goshen and south and southwest in the
county. Today they had Lauren Bennett, who's with the OC Planning Department, gave a little
presentation of the Heritage Trail, and they're doing usage counts. And I bet you our usage on the
rail trail is as high as anything in Monroe and Chester because the usage counts in Monroe and
Chester were very low for the Heritage Rail Trail. Meanwhile, we don't even count. They're not
even talking about us. And here we have a trail that connects all the way to Kingston, goes across
the river on the Walkway over the Hudson, and connects to Dutchess and New England. We have
all of Stewart here that's full of trails. They're talking about extending the trail to Salisbury Mills.
But all of this just bypasses us. They're talking about extending a rail trail through Pine Bush.
Meanwhile, we're sitting here with a beautiful trail and the tourism would help us. The other person
who talked today and talked a lot about the Heritage Trail was Zac Coleman from Orange County
Planning Department. Let's have him come here and let's have Kerron Barnes come in with him.
Kerron is our Walden man. He's putting together a trail conference on June 18th in the southwest
corner of the county because everything they're talking about is related to the Delaware and Hudson
Canal. And yet he knows everything about what's going on in Orange, Sullivan, Ulster. Why don't
we have these two men come and give us a presentation? Let's get our trail connected. Because
right now we're in the dead end. We have no connection to Orange County at all and they're looking
to spend a lot of money.
Nelson Pantoja: I'm the owner of Empanada Nirvana. We're having an event and if I'm violating
any codes or if I'm doing something wrong, just let me know. Anybody who knows me and knows
my restaurant knows that if there's anything that this town needs, I do. You need a donation for
this? I get it. You need this. I do it. If you need me to help with a fundraiser, we do it. My restaurant
feeds quite a few families in this Village. I am really honored at the way this Village has embraced
our restaurant. It's an open restaurant. Two rules we follow. When you come to my restaurant, we
don't discuss religion and we don't discuss politics. We take all of that and put it over there. We
come in here to listen to some funky music, check out the artwork and have some decent food. I'm
having a problem now. I'm afraid to proceed with a couple of things that we wanted to do this
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weekend. We had a very big event. I don't know if anybody's aware of it, but the LGBT community.
The kids who are transgender, gay, bi, binary, whatever it is, because I have people who work for
me who are black, Hispanic, gay, binary. There is no separation when you come to my place. We
did a fundraiser for them with a lot of the parents there that they wanted to use the space. We used
it. We had a couple of bands there. We had a drag show. There was a lot of kids there. It was a pride
event. It was a beautiful event. We got a complaint and the police came saying something about
loud music and it was too loud, which it wasn't because Officer Rios was the responding officer and
she stood by the laundromat and she was on the phone with her Supervisors and they were like, it's
really not that loud. The reason why I'm addressing this is, is that because a week ago when we
showed a movie, there was a deejay on before that and somebody complained about the deejay.
Now we're going to be showing a movie for kids. I need to know how do I prevent people harassing
us over little things. If this too loud. No problem. One woman called and it seems to be the same
person. No problem, we'll turn it down. The music is always off by 9:00. Period. We always end it
by 9:00. But now we're going to have this community refrigerator there. Now I'm a little gun shy.
Today I threw out a case of food that could have fed 13 families or 13 individuals. We're going to
put a refrigerator out there and every night we'll announce, like Millions of Butterflies does and the
Hudson Food Bank in Newburgh. Are there any rules? Do I need a permit for that? Do I need a
permit to have a band? If it's just a singer. I don't want to disrespect anyone. I don't want to not
follow the rules. I don't want people calling and complaining and wasting the police officer's time to
come to Empanada Nirvana because the music may be a little bit too loud and it's 3:00 in the
afternoon on a Saturday. I just wanted to come and address you guys and let you know what I'm
going through and what we're planning. We're not going to stop the events. Because most of the
events are fundraisers for a program, whether it be homeless, transgender, Veterans. Because we are
doing we are teaming up with the Honor Flight. I want to do it the right way. I don't want to get
people angry at us.
Manager Revella: If you have outdoor events planned, then try and let us know ahead of time so
we can schedule it and if it's something of that nature, the board can address it and either approve it
or not. So, you know, ahead of time. If you have a calendar of events for the year, maybe bring it up
so we can look at it so if there's anything that needs approval, we can get the approval ahead of time
so you're done.
Nelson Pantoja: Okay. When you say approval, are we talking about like bands or musicians that
are outdoors?
Manager Revella: You're allowed to have food outdoors now. You have an outdoor permit
already. For the band's, outdoor music, yes.
Nelson Pantoja: I do need a permit for that.
Manager Revella: I believe you do. It's in our code.
Nelson Pantoja: If there's not a band, because every weekend I have a deejay, every Thursday is
open mic is poetry night for young people inside the restaurant.
Manager Revella: Only outside. If things outside, you have to let us know.
Nelson Pantoja: Okay.
Mayor Ramos: Just give us your events schedule. It's going to be outside. We know you shut down
at 9:00. We'll work with you. We're not preventing you from any venue that comes to your
establishment. As a matter of fact, we enjoy it and we greatly appreciate it. I know you're going to
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have prior to our Music in The Grove, you're going to have an event before that.
Nelson Pantoja: There's nothing I won't do for this town and appreciate it.
Attorney Donovan: The Village board can't prevent someone from making a complaint. If the PD
gets a complaint, the PD is going to go investigate. Just so you understand that that could still
happen.
Nelson Pantoja: Of course. I understand that. I just want to know that if somebody is going to
come. We already know that. Always going to have one. I just want to know that when they come,
I'm in the right.
Deputy Mayor Carley: Can we make sure he gets the local law on noise ordinance and things of
that nature to make sure that he's fully informed on everything.
Cheryl Baker: 126 West Main St. Landlord registry. The Village had given its word that it wasn't
going to charge when this was installed. It does serve a purpose for the ghost landlords, most
certainly. But to charge for when there's no necessary need for it to do it just to get money is wrong.
When someone pays a fee like they do with the fire inspection, a service is provided. There is no
service being provided with the landlord registry. They're providing you the information. And now
that you found and I applaud Darlene and Dean for finding a solution to the cost of sending the
mailings out. It makes perfect sense to combine it with the fire and safety inspections fees. So
you've reduce the cost to the Village of having to do that. So, what is the reason for charging these
people? Because in the end it's not going to be the landlords. Who do you think they're going to
transfer it to? It's going to go to the tenants. And if you're already looking to charge, if it's two
years, I guarantee you down the line you're going to be looking to do it every single year. Because
you if you're already going back on your word of not charging and now you're going to charge two
year, I guarantee it's going to be coming back that, we're getting money, we're going to charge again
the following year. The role of a Building Department isn't to find new ways to charge people. They
have a task. Look at code violations. We have code violations that have been going on for years and
buildings that are still not changed. Look at 110-116 West Main Street that buildings falling to the
ground. People have trees growing out of their roofs. Porches that are dilapidated, have been for
years. Why aren't those being addressed as opposed to going after people for more money that
hadn't done anything? That should really be considered before going after people for additional
funds. When it was being spoken at the fire inspection fees, it comes across that it's per building. It's
not per building, it's per apartment. So if you have an apartment building that has five, six, seven,
eight units in it, it's $65 per apartment, not $65 for the whole building. That should really be
considered before the board considers adding even more money, because that's a misnomer. It's not
per buildings, per apartment. Now you're willing to add even more to that. Is that really justified?
You should be getting something for your taxes. Business owners, landlords, commercials pay a
very heavy amount of taxes. How many of you have mortgages on your houses or started off with a
mortgage? Some of you may have already paid it off. Most don't start out with off being able to buy
the houses outright. How many of you have mortgages or did? Don't want to answer. Okay. You
didn't own your house. The bank did. Did you have people being sent in to your home to inspect it
yearly and be told, guess what? You have to be paid for invading your privacy? No. So why are you
going to start doing that now even with single families? If you yourselves didn't have to go through
that with owning your own homes with the banks, because in the way fire and safety inspections,
they do invade people's privacy. They're asked to pay for it and now you're asking them to pay for
even more money with the landlord registry.
Trustee Pearson: Mr. Taylor commented online "are online public comments deleted from the
video after the meeting's close? When I replayed the video from last meeting, certain comments
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were deleted."
Manager Revella: We don't delete the comments, but if you made a comment on there and you can
delete it yourself. That's different.
Trustee Pearson: And he also said "all 18 wheelers are still using East Avenue as a shortcut to the
bag plant." He is concerned about the traffic warehousing. He gets it that there is possible
warehouse coming, but just knowing where trucks and trailers are going. They make that a shortcut.
So he wanted to put that on the record as well. Thank you.
Mayor Ramos: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Taylor.
Payment of Audited Bills
Trustee Sebring made a motion to approve payment of audited bills. Seconded by Trustee
Thompson. All ayes.
Correspondence
Trustee Sebring: I received 4 emails. One from Mr. Maher, Brian's father. Sylvie Rinaldi from the
Ambulance Corps for the Executive Board meeting on 6/14, Michelle Gray concerning the landlord
registry cost, and one from Mr. Gonzales concerning South Montgomery Street speeding
Trustee Thompson: The letter in the packet from Brenda Adams about the zoning with the fences.
The letters about the outdoor seating and the park permit. I also got the email from Mary Ellen
Matise. I also got the email from the woman about the landlord registry and from the gentleman
with the speeding issue on South Montgomery Street. I think that's all that I got.
Trustee Pearson: Same except. For there was an email from John Joseph on trees on an Oak Street.
Deputy Mayor Carley: Only received the ones from Mrs. Adams and Mrs. Matise.
Mayor Ramos: I received Mrs. Bria landlord registry, South Montgomery speeding, Zoning Board
Chair Mrs. Adams, at least six emails from Trustee Pearson and a number of emails from Mrs.
Matise.
Miscellaneous Comments from the Board of Trustees
Trustee Pearson: Trees. What can you do over that with me? Have you heard anything more from
Mr. Joseph?
Manager Revella: Since our last correspondence? No. We reached out to him again as well.
Trustee Pearson: Flag Day on Sunday at 1 p.m. Hope you all can come. It's such a nice program.
The Community Council, Veterans Park Committee does a really nice job. I'd like to just say a few
words about Mickey Millspaugh. I wanted to honor him this evening. He was a great human being,
a Village Historian. He sat on the Zoning Board, a Trustee when I was Mayor. I did give the family
a Walden flag and had a little plaque with all your names on the bottom. I hope you don't take
offense to that. But just wanted make sure you knew that was happening. I felt he needed to have
something given to him. He was under my leadership as well when I was Mayor, so I felt I really
wanted to give him something from the Village. I also added your names. Anything more on the
ambulance, Mayor?
Mayor Ramos: We're still waiting. Hopefully it's in the next coming meeting.
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Trustee Pearson: Speeders on South Montgomery Street, which is a county road. Is it not?
Manager Revella: Yes. It turns into a state road when you come off River Road, technically.
Trustee Pearson: Right. Our part in the Village is a county road.
Manager Revella: County.
Trustee Pearson: If we can't do patrols or things there, can we enlist the use of the county to do
some patrolling? I know that years ago they wanted to put a sidewalk in there and we had to
approach the county to get the sidewalk done years ago. I know it was a county spot. If we can't
seem to do the patrolling and get that done there for Mr. Gonzalez, even having somebody sitting
there is can we enlist the county to help us with that?
Manager Revella: We can make the request.
Trustee Pearson: John, I know you asked for the DOT for the railroad to have a motion made
maybe to possibly get a letter from the board to support you.
Manager Revella: Yes.
Trustee Pearson: I would be happy to make a motion to write a letter to support that for you to
move forward on DOT.
Mayor Ramos: Let's get one from the senator first and then next meeting. I'll contact the senator,
and then we'll forge on from there if he can assist us.
Trustee Pearson: The meeting's next week.
Manager Revella: Tuesday.
Trustee Pearson: So he needs something for next Tuesday. Do we want to make a motion to
address a letter for John?
Mayor Ramos: I have consensus of the board, right? I'm just going to tell him or ask him how he
can facilitate and assist us. He's done that in the past and I don't think he'd be reluctant to do it.
Trustee Pearson: I just thought the Manager said the more, the better.
Manager Revella: This would be a letter addressed to DOT, correct.
Trustee Pearson: From us.
Manager Revella: Yes. The Mayor is suggesting the Senator send a letter, correct?
Mayor Ramos: Yes. I'm seeing if he answered my text, but he did not.
Trustee Pearson: I would like to make a motion that we send a letter through the Village Board to
the Manager about the DOT what he needs to put in the letter to support what needs to get done for
the railroad tracks.
Mayor Ramos: If you allow me to do my job first and then if I need help, then I would get one
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from the board. I'll be talking to him tomorrow, probably.
Trustee Pearson: How are you going to reach out to the board members to get an approval to write
the letter?
Mayor Ramos: Do we need a letter?
Manager Revella: I don't know. If you talk to the senator to help us, I don't know if he has time.
Trustee Thompson: I don't understand why we can't do both. Send a letter from the Village Board
and get support from the senator. I thought it was my understanding the more voices we have, the
better off we will be.
Mayor Ramos: We can do both.
Trustee Pearson made a motion for the board to write a letter in support of the Village Manager for
the Railroad Tracks. Seconded by Trustee Thompson. 3 ayes. 2 abstentions (Mayor Ramos and
Deputy Mayor Carley). Motion Failed.
Mayor Ramos: I will talk to Senator.
Trustee Thompson: I was also going to ask about an update on the ambulance. There was no
mention of it at the previous town meeting. No mention of the consultant. I too am hoping that it's
on the agenda for their next meeting. I would like to thank everybody who worked to do the
Memorial Day parade. It went off very well. Flag Day is coming up. If the Walden Community
Council and the Parks Committee need any further help prepping the park for that event, I am
willing to help. Please call me. I had a young person approach me about the basketball court down
at Wooster's Grove. I know I bring up maintenance schedules frequently, and I know a few years
ago, young people complained and we were able to improve the basketball court. There's weeds
coming up through it. As far as Mrs. Matise and the comments about the rail trail, I agree with her
100% and at an Association of Towns dinner, several months ago I was with Cheryl Baker and the
people from Pathways. Yes the woman was there and gave her presentation about the different trails
and connecting and whatever. Cheryl Baker asked about the Village of Walden, and we were pretty
much led to believe we're not even being considered. I like the idea of having someone come to
present to us, Zachary Coleman. I know him well. He grew up in the Village of Montgomery, so he
knows this neck of the county. I'm all for that. If we can arrange a presentation and get some
questions answered. I know the Town of Montgomery was awarded a grant for pedestrian
walkways and bicycle trails. I have no idea if that is something they're considering, like coming to
this side of the Town of Montgomery. I don't know, but I would love to know if somehow we're
going to connect. Mentioning the rail trail, I was pulling out papers about the Hill Street Bridge and
I came across the estimate from October 4, 2019 to crack seal the rail trail and get to work on it and
improve it. To my knowledge, that has never been done. If you'd like to look into that. Mr. Revella,
it was slated to be done. I have the estimate right here in front of me for $25,000 and nothing
happened. I've brought up several meetings now about scheduling a tri-board meeting and this again
tonight with the zoning changes and the things that are happening in the Village. I think it's
something we should just get on the calendar and get it done. There's been talk over at the town
about maybe once or twice a year having a meeting with the town, with a representative from all
three villages. As far as I know, that has never been scheduled. That's something we can work on.
We've also discussed about having periodic comp plan reviews and we've not done that either.
Talking about some of these things, the rail trail, the zoning, I think we should periodically review
the comp plan because it's a wonderful document if we use it. I feel like if we don't look at it, we
don't remember what we said in the document of what we can use to improve our Village. I would
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really like us to maybe set a date or put together a group or have the whole board. I think we should
talk about that. I also would like to talk about the Hill Street Bridge. The Hill Street Bridge was on
the agenda. They had a consultant give a presentation, which there was really no new information.
It was information we knew. They determined that the panels from the Tappan Zee Bridge are a
wonderful thing to use to repair the Hill Street Bridge and they want to make it two way traffic. The
topic came up about one section of the bridge or two. It's looking like one section of the bridge. The
estimate, I believe, was $625,000. It's still not a done deal. I think we really need to stay on top of
that. I pulled out all the old paperwork on that bridge, so I'd like to review it and go to another town
board meeting and make a public comment. Lastly, our Village Clerk was once again awarded, she
made the Municipal Clerk's Honor Roll again. Congratulations, Marisa. I believe that's 3 years in a
row. We have that wonderful thing here. I would like to thank a few people in the Village. Anyone
who knows me knows I have been five years carrying on about beautifying our Village every
summer and I've been persistent and this summer, the Walden Community Council with the Parks
and Rec Department, put planters all up and down Main Street. I hope everybody has been able to
look at them. The flowers are growing, they look lovely, and we're educating each other on how to
maintain them and water them. They look great. I have had several conversations with Mike Bliss
and John Revella about planting some other areas in the Village. This year I worked together with
Mike and his staff and they planted the entrance side to the Village on River Road and also on
Route 52. Things are looking nice. So we're making progress there. I also got permission to do
Bradley Park. That was a task, but we got it done. I would like to thank Mike and his staff Brent
Norman, Chris Rooney and Robert Montanaro Jr. They were really good. They came and dug holes
for me. There was also a neighbor there, Mr. Jones, who came out to see what I was doing. He and
his son also helped me water those new plantings because there's no source of water there and our
parks people had gone home for the day. So thank you, Mr. Jones, if you're watching and your son
and I would also like to thank Logan Heaney and Lauren Rowley, because they helped get all the
plants and set everything up on Main Street. So, we're working on it. We're working on making our
Village a really nice, lovely place to visit. I sent my whole board an email about beautification and
what it means. It's not just about flowers, it's about buildings and walkways and all kinds of things.
But it also did say that plantings throughout the Village are good for people's mental health. It's
uplifting.
Manager Revella: The tri-board meetings being set up. The Clerk already reached out to the Chairs
on the other boards. We're working on the other items.
Trustee Sebring: I'd like to thank Lynn and the Parks Department for doing their flower planting
and putting the planters on Main Street. They do look absolutely good and nice. They've been
watered quite a bit lately with the rain. I haven't been to Bradley Field to look at what you did there
but with the way you were talking after that, it was quite a job. The Village is looking good with the
planters and what happening. I'm glad to see that progress is being made. 52 and 208 are going to be
paved, which will make it really nice. They did a good job on paving across the kill out to Houtman
Dr. Things are looking good for the Village. Thanks to our Village Manager for being able to
expedite the black topping and the Village and all the other projects that are being done now with
the sidewalks on Oak Street. It's coming along. Thank you.
Deputy Mayor Carley: First, I would like to say welcome, Kelly Kelly, our Treasurer. We
appreciate you and rare form you're here as usual, sitting here. We had to sign a lot of bills because
of you. I want to say thank you for your hard work and getting the Village up to par on some things
because June, as you know, and the Village Clerk brought it to my attention that it's just crazy,
especially if the people don't know that we have a shortage because everyone's out and she had to
come in and do a yeoman's work and so I just want to say thank you for that. I appreciate everything
and your hard work. As usual, I'm a fan. So thank you. We already address about the Ambulance
Corps. I haven't seen anything else regarding that, so I'm not sure if the town is waiting on their
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consultant also. We're not going to talk to anyone after that, until they finish their part and then we
do our part.
Mayor Ramos: Yes.
Deputy Mayor Carley: The rail trail, I thought was a great idea to have a presentation about that.
To be honest with you, I'm not fully that verse on rail trails and things of that nature. But I just
wonder how will they run through the Village of Walden or we're talking about around the Village
of Walden? I'm going to go back and read it in the comp plan, but I think that's something that we
should look at and I do understand why we should have that attention to our Village to bring that
foot population traffic into our area. I agree and I want to say thank you for that. I ask for the review
of local laws and if the board is mind, I'll submit a schedule some things that we can go by to kind
of start reviewing that so that we can actually keep it at the forefront of our minds if that's okay and
I'll send it out to everyone they can see and then the Village Manager can look at it and in starting
with the landlord registry so that we can make sure we cover everything and bring everything up to
date as possible. I know before I mentioned about the business association and we talked about it,
but I guess I can start spear hearing that and kind of pushing it forward to kind of see if we can get
that on board, I think that goes hand in hand with what we're talking about, the rail trail and the
beautification and all of that to come together would be great. And lastly, the Sam Wright
dedication. I'm not sure where we are on that.
Manager Revella: We asked the family for a date. Waiting for them to give us a date.
Mayor Ramos: I want to pass on my gratitude and my thanks to the Historical Society of Walden
and Wallkill Valley. I know it's been a while, but May 18th we had a wonderful presentation here
from Mr. Ray Kelly. A slideshow of the trolley that ran from Newburgh to Walden brought back
some serious memories from my childhood in City of Newburgh. He brought us from City
Newburgh all the way up to Walden. It was really nice. Memorial Day Parade was excellent and a
wonderful speaker and a Major from the Stewart Air National Guard Base. Just past Saturday, we
had a COVID walk, which was dedicated to Steve Nicoli. Past Commander of American Legion
158. Very well attended by over 125 people. It was beautiful weather and it was a nice event.
Deputy Mayor Carley: I just want to say I apologize. I know it sounds like I'm always missing in
action. On Memorial Day weekend. I have a very good reason because that's my anniversary, and I
usually yield to my wife on those type of things. I just have to put it out there that. Often sometimes
you may see me and sometimes you don't and it's because I have a pretty busy schedule and I try to
accommodate my wife when she says no, this is no compromise. If you see me, she said, Yes, if you
don't see me, she said, No, I just want to put that out there.
Mayor Ramos: Just let everybody know tomorrow the Village is going to be alive and kicking with
a lot of students from MPB. We're going to be doing certain tours of our monuments. Mary Ellen is
going to speak on McKinley Monument. I'm going to be speaking to our Civil War Monument here
in the Village. It should be a beautiful day. I hope it's not going to rain, but it will get warm. Just
keep your eyes open for the youngsters.
Executive Session - Legal Advice DEC Consent Order
Deputy Mayor Carley made a motion to go into executive session for attorney client privilege to
receive legal advice regarding proposed modifications made by the DEC to our consent order.
Seconded by Trustee Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Trustee Thompson made a motion to discuss the employment history of particular person. Seconded
by Trustee Pearson. All ayes. Motion carried.
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Village of Walden Board of Trustees
Regular Meeting
June 7, 2022
Motions & Resolutions
Public Hearing – Local Law 2 of 2022 -Landlord Registry
Trustee Sebring made a motion to open Public Hearing Local Law 2 of 2022 – Landlord Registry.
Seconded by Trustee Thompson. All ayes. Motion carried.
Trustee Thompson made a motion to close Public Hearing – Local Law 2 of 2022 – Landlord
Registry. Seconded by Trustee Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Public Hearing - CDBG
Trustee Thompson made a motion to open public hearing – CDBG. Seconded by Trustee Sebring.
All ayes. Motion carried.
Trustee Sebring made a motion to close the public hearing CDBG. Seconded by Trustee Pearson.
All ayes.
Approval of May 17, 2022, Minutes
Trustee Sebring made a motion to approve the May 17, 2022 Minutes with corrections. Seconded
by Deputy Mayor Carley. 4 ayes. 0 nays. 1 abstention (Trustee Thompson). Motion carried.
Discussion – OLI Zone
Deputy Mayor Carley made a motion to set public hearing for OLI local law for June 21, 2022 at
6:30pm or shortly thereafter. Seconded by Trustee Thompson. All ayes. Motion carried.
PBF Café Outdoor
Trustee Thompson made a motion to approve the outdoor cafe permit request. Seconded by Deputy
Mayor Carley. All ayes. Motion carried.
Park Use- Alcohol Use
Trustee Sebring made a motion to approve park use alcohol use. Seconded by Deputy Mayor
Carley. All ayes. Motion carried.
Payment of Audited Bills
Trustee Sebring made a motion to approve payment of audited bills. Seconded by Trustee
Thompson. All ayes.
Executive Session - Legal Advice DEC Consent Order
Deputy Mayor Carley made a motion to go into executive session for attorney client privilege to
receive legal advice regarding proposed modifications made by the DEC to our consent order.
Seconded by Trustee Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Trustee Thompson made a motion to discuss the employment history of particular person. Seconded
by Trustee Pearson. All ayes. Motion carried.
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Agenda
Board of Trustees of the Village of Walden
Regular Meeting
Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 6:30 P.M.
One Municipal Square
The Agenda
1. Call to Order / Pledge of Allegiance
2. Roll Call
3. Public Hearing – Local Law 2 of 2022 Landlord Registry
4. Public Hearing - CDBG
5. Village Manager’s Report
6. Approval of Minutes – May 17, 2022 Regular Meeting
7. Public Comment on the Business of the Board
8. Business of the Board of Trustees
A. Local Law 2 of 2022 Landlord Registry
B. CDBG – Discuss Potential Projects
C. Section 305-21 - Fences
D. OLI Zone Discussion
9. Public Comment
10. Payment of Audited Bills
11. Correspondence
12. Miscellaneous Comments from the Board of Trustees
13. Executive Session – Personal History of a Particular Employee, Attorney Client, DEC
14. Adjournment
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