City Council Worksession
Regular MeetingWatertown, MN · December 10, 2019
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE Steve Washburn
WATERTOWN CITY COUNCIL Deborah Everson
Workshop Meeting Tuesday, December 10, 2019 Lindsay Guetzkow
Adam Pawellk
Michael Walters
1. Call to Order and Roll Call
Mayor Steve Washburn called the Watertown City Council Workshop to order at 5:30 p.m. Tuesday,
December 10, 2019 in the Council Chambers of City Hall.
Council Members present: Washburn, Mike Walters, Deborah Everson, Lindsay Guetzkow, and Adam
Pawelk.
City Staff present: City Administrator Shane Fineran, Fire Chief Ryan Schroeder, and Clerk/Treasurer Lynn
Tschudi.
2. New Business
A. Service Planning Grant & FAB Procedures
Fineran said there may be an opportunity to partner with neighboring fire departments in order to
obtain a State Fire Marshal Planning Grant.
Chief Schroeder explained to council that the Norwood Young America and Waconia fire
departments are experiencing some of the same challenges as Watertown: staffing, maintenance,
capital equipment purchases. Schroeder said the State Fire Marshal’s office offers a grant for
departments who are willing to work together. Schroeder said at this time, the planning grant would
make the most sense to apply for. If that grant is awarded, the fire department would hire a
consultant to help plan for the funds.
Council asked if there are any fire departments who have gone through this process. Schroeder said
Albertville and some other cities have been through the process.
Everson asked if the ultimate goal is to merge fire departments or sharing services. Schroeder said
the State Fire Marshal’s office is open to all. Schroeder is hoping the firm can assist with guiding on
some of those decisions, but a total merger is not expected for the future.
Washburn asked the cost for completing the grant. Schroeder said it would be around $25,000 with
most of it being covered by the grant. Washburn asked what the department is looking to
accomplish. Schroeder said to try to find solutions to challenges such as staffing and equipment.
Schroeder explained why staffing is an issue currently. He also said that training fire fighters is time
consuming and could be streamlined with other cities.
Washburn asked why the Norwood and Waconia departments are being considered. Schroeder
explained that they were interested in a similar model.
Guetzkow asked about coverage. Schroeder said the weekends are difficult to staff.
Pawelk asked if there has been any feedback from the other chiefs and captains. Schroeder said they
all recognize the challenges and they are interested in looking into possible solutions.
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Washburn asked if there have been conversations with all the fire department members. Schroeder
stated the grant process has been mentioned.
Guetzkow said she is not in support of anything that would decrease the fire service to Watertown.
Walters asked if Waconia and NYA have had discussions regarding the grant. Schroeder said he
believes Watertown is the first to discuss with their council. Guetzkow asked about making sure
nearby cities are aware of the potential partnership, such as Mayer. Fineran said they are aware but
there has been lack of interest in the past.
Pawelk said it is possible the feedback from the consultant will be beneficial in staffing and training.
Council discussed the possibility of deteriorating employee moral when a consultant is brought in.
Fineran recapped that council would prefer to pause this initiative and work on discussions within the
fire department.
Washburn addressed the Fire Advisory Board and if it should continue. Fineran explained what the
role should be of the township representatives. He would like to see their involvement be that of
approving the capital improvement plan and budgets on an annual basis. Guetzkow asked about the
attendance on the FAB. Fineran said most townships are represented. Guetzkow suggested having a
meeting with the townships.
3. Adjournment
Washburn adjourned the workshop at 6:31 pm.
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Agenda
1. Agenda
Documents:
12-10-2019 AGENDA.PDF
2. Supporting Documents
Documents:
WORKSESSION MEMO 12-10-19.PDF
WORKSHOP CITY COUNCIL MEETING Steve Washburn
Deborah Everson
309 Lewis Avenue S., Watertown Lindsay Guetzkow
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 Adam Pawellk
5:30 PM Michael Walters
1. Call to Order and Roll Call
2. New Business
A. Service Planning Grant & FAB Procedures
3. Adjournment
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To: Honorable Mayor and City Council
From: Chief Ryan Schroeder & Shane Fineran, City Administrator
Date: December 10th, 2019
Re: Service Planning Grant & FAB Procedures
1. State Fire Marshal Planning Grant
Fire Department Chiefs from Watertown, Waconia, and Norwood Young America have been discussing the
current and future challenges to paid on call departments in the region and have found many similar
challenges with meeting service demands, training requirements, staffing recruitment & retention,
succession planning, and equipment maintenance and functionality.
The State Fire Marshal provides planning grant assistance (https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/sfm/programs-
services/Pages/Shared-Services.aspx) to departments within the state to help study and evaluate shared
services opportunities, collaborative efforts, and strategic planning by a third party to ensure that area
departments are able to meet the demands and needs of those serviced by area departments. The grant
requires a various match level based upon the amount of grant awarded. At this point in the process the
belief that any consultant study could range from $25,000 to $50,000 with the grant covering 90-95% of the
costs with the match being shared by the three cities.
Staff will review the program, potential outcomes, and is seeking direction on the support for participation in
the cooperative grant application with neighboring departments.
Enc: Fire Service Collaboration Assessment
2. Fire Department Capital Acquisition Processes
The method of authorizing, evaluating, and acquiring capital equipment is well defined in the City’s financial
management policy. However, this process relating to capital equipment expenditures for fire department
related items is redundant, as the process is replicated at the City Council and FAB levels. This creates
additional and unnecessary work for staff, processing capital acquisition through both bodies and gives
contracted communities unnecessary oversight in the financial management of City affairs. Staff would
prefer that these decisions be kept at the City Council level. The City would continue to conduct an annual
meeting with contracted communities to review the proposed budget, capital plan, and contract rates. Staff
is seeking discussion and direction on this process change.
Fire service collaboration
assessment questionnaire
This questionnaire will help you and your colleagues in other departments examine how much you are currently
collaborating and identify possibilities for increased collaboration. Please contact your region’s fire service
specialist for assistance with this questionnaire.
Fire Service Specialists
• Northeast MN: John Ehret - John.Ehret@state.mn.us (651) 323-7134
• Northwest MN: Steve White – Steven.I.White@state.mn.us (218)579-0128
• Central MN: Tate Mills - Tate.Mills@state.mn.us (320) 333-2817
• Southern MN: Jared Rozeboom – Jared.Rozeboom@state.mn.us (507) 456-0907
Your Departments
List the names of the organizations covered by this assessment (attach a separate page if necessary):
Norwood Young America Fire Department, Waconia Fire Department, and Watertown Fire Department
Names and titles of persons completing this questionnaire:
Steve Zumberge, Norwood Young America Fire Chief
Chris Nelson, Waconia Fire Chief
Ryan Schroeder, Watertown Fire Chief
Have any of the departments/cities received a Shared Services or Service Planning grant from the State Fire
Marshal Division? If so, which departments and when?
No
Response
Please select the types of collaboration on incident response that your departments currently engage in. Check
all that apply:
Mutual aid agreements
Auto-aid agreements
Box alarm systems
Standard Operating Procedures/Guidelines
Other: ___________________________
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In general, to what extent are your departments collaborating on incident response?
1 – not at all 2 – a little 3 – moderately 4 – very much 5 - a lot
□ □ x □ □
Are you interested in exploring increased collaboration in this area?
Yes
No
Not now, but maybe later
Training
Please select the types of shared training your departments engage in regularly (once a year or more). Check all
that apply:
Firefighters can attend trainings offered by another department
Standard training requirements and expectations across departments
Shared training manual for departments
Joint training sessions on specific topics for department leadership
Joint training sessions on specific topics for firefighters
Joint response drills or table top exercises for chiefs
Joint response drills or table top exercises for firefighters
Other: ______________________________________________________
In general, to what extent are your departments collaborating on training?
1 – not at all 2 – a little 3 – moderately 4 – very much 5 - a lot
□ x □ □ □
Are you interested in exploring increased collaboration in this area?
Yes
No
Not now, but maybe later
Staff
Please select the types of staffing collaboration your departments have engaged in in the past 3 years. Check all
that apply to at least some members of your group:
Departments share administrative staff (How many administrative staff? _____)
Departments share training staff (How many training staff? _____)
Departments share fire department leadership (How many leaders? _____)
Firefighters work/volunteer for more than one department (How many firefighters? _____)
Departments collaborate on recruitment and volunteer outreach
Departments have a shared pension plan or participate in the same plan
Departments have shared approaches to keeping firefighters involved and committed
Departments have standardized approaches to compensation
Other: ______________________________________________________
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In general, to what extent are your departments collaborating on staffing?
1 – not at all 2 – a little 3 – moderately 4 – very much 5 - a lot
x □ □ □ □
Are you interested in exploring increased collaboration in this area?
Yes
No
Not now, but maybe later
Equipment
Please select the types of collaboration on equipment your departments have engaged in in the past 3 years.
Check all that apply to at least some members of your group:
Departments have agreed to purchase equipment with standardized features so that it could be used by
other firefighters during response
Departments share equipment
Departments have jointly purchased equipment or pooled funds to purchase equipment
Departments meet to discuss and plan large equipment purchases in advance (for example, a shared
capital expense plan)
Members of the group have worked together to plan station locations or equipment cache locations
Other: ______________________________________________________
In general, to what extent are your departments collaborating on equipment purchasing or use?
1 – not at all 2 – a little 3 – moderately 4 – very much 5 - a lot
x □ □ □ □
Are you interested in exploring increased collaboration in this area?
Yes
No
Not now, but maybe later
Planning and governance
Please select the types of collaborative planning or governance your departments have engaged in in the past 3
years. Check all that apply to at least some members of your group:
Departments have done joint strategic planning
Departments are members of a JPA or similar governance structure
Department are members of a fire district
Other: ______________________________________________________
In general, to what extent are your departments collaborating on planning and governance?
1 – not at all 2 – a little 3 – moderately 4 – very much 5 - a lot
x □ □ □ □
Are you interested in exploring increased collaboration in this area?
Yes
No
Not now, but maybe later
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Overall collaboration
On a scale of 1-10, please rate the overall level of collaboration among your departments.
1 – very low 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 – very high
x □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □ □
How can the State Fire Marshal Division help you explore additional collaboration?
The Norwood Young America, Waconia, and Watertown Fire Departments have identified numerous
challenges impacting the three organizations. Challenges include administrative workload, emergency
response, inspections, maintenance, public education, public relations, recruitment, retention, staffing,
standard operating guidelines, and training. As each individual organization strives for excellence in each of
these areas, it is understood that all of our organizations face the similar challenges.
Today, the three organizations are experiencing increases in call demands, community events, non-
emergency details, and training expectations. We are facing the increased demand with fewer firefighters. In
addition, our organizations have many firefighters eligible for retirement. Retirements will decrease the
overall number of firefighters and the experience levels of our organizations.
Moving forward, it is imperative our organizations identify solutions to the identified challenges to meet the
needs of our communities. In an effort to continue providing a high level of service, we are seeking options for
our organizations to work together to overcome these challenges.
As we identify solutions to the challenges, it is also important to develop a framework for other organizations
to align themselves with us in an effort to achieve their goals.
Want assistance?
Would you like someone from the Fire Marshal Division to contact you to discuss how they can help you
collaborate further? If so, please fill out the following and send in the questionnaire to your fire specialist.
Your name: Ryan Schroeder
Your phone number and/or email: (952) 297-2327 watertownchief1@ci.watertown.mn.us
The best time to reach you: Anytime
To email in your questionnaire, send this to your region’s fire specialist:
• Northeast MN: John Ehret - John.Ehret@state.mn.us (651) 323-7134
• Northwest MN: Steve White – Steven.I.White@state.mn.us (218)579-0128
• Central MN: Tate Mills - Tate.Mills@state.mn.us (320) 333-2817
• Southern MN: Jared Rozeboom – Jared.Rozeboom@state.mn.us (507) 456-0907
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