City Council - Regular Meetings
Regular MeetingWebster Groves, MO · July 21, 2020
Minutes
CITY OF WEBSTER GROVES
July 21, 2020
The City Council met this date in a regular session, via Zoom, which was available to the public
via teleconference, at 7:49 pm.
Present at Roll Call: Mayor Gerry Welch
Councilmember Laura Arnold
Councilmember Pam Bliss
Councilmember David Franklin
Councilmember Emerson Smith
Councilmember Karen D. Alexander
Councilmember Sarah Richardson
A quorum was present.
Also present: Ms. Joan Jadali, Interim City Manager
Mr. Neil Bruntrager, City Attorney
Ms. Katie Nakazono, City Clerk
REMARKS OF VISITORS
Jennifer Conrad, Deputy City Clerk, read submitted Remarks of Visitors into the record.
Submissions were received from:
• Daniel Bruzzini- (Exhibit A) - Comments and questions on City finances.
• Dave Buck - (Exhibit B) - Comments on loving thy neighbor.
• Janet Noble-(Exhibit C)-Inquiries and opposition to the SG Collaborative redevelopment
project.
• Rich Mazzarella-(Exhibit D)-lnquiries/opposition to SG Collaborative redevelopment
project.
NEW BUSINESS - MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY
MANAGER
Mayor Welch stated that Joan Jadali, Director of Finance and Administration and Assistant City
Manager, is currently serving as the Interim City Manager.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
BILL #9125-TIDRD READING
On motion of Councilmember Arnold, seconded by Councilmember Franklin, BILL #9125 -
ENTITLED: AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ORA
PROPERTIES LLC TO INSTALL NINE (9) CELLULAR ANTENNAS ATOP AN
EXISTING LIGHT POLE AS AN ACCESSORY UTILITY FACILITY USE AT MOSS
FIELD ON AN APPROXIMATELY 17.30-ACRE TRACT OF LAND AT 630 S. ELM
AVENUE IN THE "A4" SEVENTY-FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT RESIDENCE
DISTRICT AND MATTERS RELATED THERETO, having been introduced and read twice
on July 7, 2020, was taken up its title read a third time and placed upon its passage to become
Ordinance #9125.
July 21, 2020
Mayor Welch called for the vote on Bill #9125.
MEMBERS VOTING:
A YES: ARNOLD, BLISS, FRANKLIN, SMITH, ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON, WELCH
NOES: NONE
Mayor Welch stated that Bill #9125 was approved.
NEW BUSINESS
BILL #9126 - FIRST & SECOND READING
Councilmember Bliss introduced BILL #9126 - ENTITLED: AN ORDINANCE
PERMITTING THE SUBDIVISION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY AT 116 SUMMIT
PLACE AND 120 SUMMIT PLACE IN THE "A3" TEN THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT
RESIDENCE DISTRICT, and at the Councilmember's request, the Bill was read twice, first
and second times by title only, and placed on the agenda for future consideration of the Council.
Mara Perry, Director of Planning and Development, gave a brief presentation on the subdivision.
CONSENT AGENDA
A motion was made by Cow1cilmember Franklin, seconded by Councilmember Arnold, to
approve the Consent Agenda.
Mayor Welch called for the vote on the Consent Agenda.
MEMBERS VOTING:
A YES:BLISS, FRANKLIN, SMITH, ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON, WELCH, ARNOLD
NOES:NONE
Mayor Welch stated that the Consent Agenda was approved.
The following consent agenda was approved:
• Approval of Minutes - July 7, 2020
• Resolution #2020-29 - A Resolution Restating and Affirming Ordinance #7669 Which
Established Section 2.080 of the Code of Webster Groves, "Compliance with the State
Conflict of Interest Law"
• Resolution #2020-30 - Authorizing the City Manager to Purchase Road Salt for the
2020-2021 Winter Season
APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
• Michael Buechter was appointed to the Plan Commission.
• Ed Scholl and Janey Worthington were appointed to the Library Board.
• Jenine Harris was reappointed to the Library Board.
EXECUTIVE (CLOSED) SESSION
Councilmember Arnold made a motion, which was seconded by Councilmember Franklin, to go
into Executive Closed Session per Negotiated Contract (MO Statute 610.021(12)].
Mayor Welch called for the vote to go into Executive (Closed) Session.
MEMBERS VOTING:
A YES: FRANKLIN, SMITH, ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON, WELCH, ARNOLD, BLISS
NOES:NONE
Mayor Welch stated that they would go into Executive (Closed) Session.
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ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the City Council, the meeting was adjourned at
8:25 p.m. on motion of the Mayor, duly seconded.
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Exhibit A
Katie Nakazono - Remarks of Visitors
From: Daniel Bruzzini
To: <citycouncil@webstergroves.org>
Date: 7/20/2020 6:54 PM
Subject: Remarks of Visitors
Given the financial dependency of the City of Webster Groves on sales tax collections, former
Council Member Bud Bellamo sounded the fiscal responsibility alarm to address the
impending financial crises as a result of the economic shutdown that began on 21 March. Bud
Bellamo's financial analyses projected a worst-case scenario of 85% sales tax collection
reduction. Unfortunately, the reality is much much worse. Webster Groves businesses are at
25-40% of normal thus greatly decreasing sales tax collections. Director of Finance Joan Jadali
promised Bud Bellamo she would provide regular updates on the City's finances. Major Gerry
Welch said adjustments to the budget would be made based on data. We now have 3 months
of financial data - What is the financial status of the City of Webster Groves regarding the
taxes it collects versus its expenditures? With so many Webster Groves employees and
businesses likely to lose their jobs and livelihood, does it still make sense to spend taxpayer
money like normal when things are far from normal? What is the City saying to its citizens
who have lost their jobs and businesses when it continues to have them pay for the usual
twice a year pay raises f or city employees? Is the 1 million dollar deficit projection for fiscal
year 2021 too optimistic? Where is the city of Webster Groves at financially? More
importantly, what are you doing and going to do about it?
Dan
Daniel 8. Bruzzini
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Exhibit B
Katie Nakazono - Dave Buck's "Remarks of Visitors" for July 21, 2020, City Council Regular
Meeting
From: Dave Buck
To: "citycouncil@webstergroves.org" <citycouncil@webstergroves.org>
Date: 7/21/2020 8:49 AM
Subject: Dave Buck's "Remarks of Visitors" for July 21, 2020, City Council Regular Meeting
Cc:
Mayor, City Council & City Staff,
I have shared this before but, in these turbulent and divisive times we live in, it begs repeating
again and again.
First, at the end of the movie classic, "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington", Jefferson Smith says to
senior Senator Joseph Paine, "Lost causes are only causes worth fighting for. And you fight for
them for the only reason any man fights for them. Because of just one plain simple rule: Love Thy
Neighbor."
Second, our churches are pretty important in Webster Groves. Most of them are a demonination
of Christianity with the Bible as their foundation. Matthew, Chapter 22, says "Thou shalt Love Thy
God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind." This is the first and great
commandment. And the second is like unto it, "Love Thy Neighbor as thyself." On these two
commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Third, no child is born a racist or with hate in their hearts. Instead, they are taught this, learn this,
and mostly practice and role model this from family and friends. So family generation after family
generation passes down these teachings and beliefs and perpetuates such racism and hate. We
have to break this sinister cycle by teaching our children and ourselves well, better and
differently.
And just think if every child and family believed in and practiced just one plain simple rule, Love
Thy Neighbor, think what a wonderful world it would be.
Fourth, as such, whenever Council begins its strategic planning process for 2020-21, I would
suggest that the current Visional Directions move down one spot to insert a new #1 Visional
Direction: "To Teach, Instil & Inspire ALL Residents to Love Thy Neighbor."
And its associated Council Goal & Action: Say "Hello" to those you know and are strangers as a
way to create a real human connection, if only for a moment, and make the other person feel
good and valued.
PEACE.
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Exhibit C
Katie Nakazono - remarks of visitors-please read all of it before answering
From: Janet Noble
To: "citycouncil@webstergroves.org" <citycouncil@webstergroves.org>
Date: 7/21/2020 3:12 PM
Subject: remarks of visitors-please read all of it before answering
my questions/comments to the Council regarding project with SG Collaborative/Old
Webster
1. the two project guys- appear to be focusing on the "sizzle of the sale" instead of the
problems to be overcome that this project will create and bring to those businesses and
residents who live in the immediate areas. I thought that was what these meeting were
about. I asked several questions/comments at the last meeting on July 14 and my
questions were never answered properly and were sidestepped. He could not give an
answer as to environmental concerns-soil erosion, silt runoff, harm to Deer Creek-plants,
animals, water, etc, big trees that now prevent the erosion and hold the soil in place etc.
Trees that absorb carbon, and take away the pollution of the traffic, how will this effect the
creek upstream and down stream.
2. Traffic issues-putting or adding another lane inside the project area will not help the
traffic that will be sent to Gore, Kirkham, Marshall, etc. It may add more parking spaces
but otherwise do nothing to help with the traffic congestion. What is not being said is, this
project will greatly increase the chances that all of these streets will need to be widened,
some sooner, than later, depending on how much opposition is coming from those being
immediately effected whether they be residents or businesses.
3. What is this going to cost Webster, when all is said and done? People do not frequent
any retail businesses in Webster to spend a consistent, substantial amount of money
week after week, except for grocery stores. None of the suggestions over the last several
weeks at these meetings will do that. So what, if we put in a new coffee shops,
restaurants, small retail store, book store etc. We had a farmers market that the citizens
did not support. We have numerous coffee shops, restaurants, dress shops in this
immediate area now. How many shops like this do you think the residents can support,
some may go out of business because of this. Unfortunately a big box store( and I want to
say up front, I try not to buy at big box stores) & would solve this problem, should be
located next to a major highway, such as 1-44 close to Hixson, where people can get to
it.Too bad we lost out on Costco. There is also the question as to if the physical store for
retail is even an option anymore due to online sales for anything.
We do not seem to have found the answer yet to solve this dilemma about bringing in
more money for Webster. Dense housing may help with this money problem but will the
housing be affordable for all people in Webster, esp the people who live in North Webster
who live there now ? If some units for housing are affordable it will probably be a small
number of units, not the majority of units. I have yet to see any affordable ranch houses go
up in Webster at all in the last 20 years. They are all Mcmansions. Webster is going to be
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in real trouble if various levels of housing regarding price and size in the years to come
are not required to be built. Young people getting out of college do not want, nor can
afford an expensive condo, apartment or house. They are looking for 1 or 2 bedrooms
houses that are affordable, with little upkeep or maintenance. The other part of this
question, issue is, how much money or tax relief will SG ask Webster for ? Webster
Citizens already needs pay enough taxes for the school district funding. The last time the
school district asks for money it didn't go through and they extended the life of the loan.
Will City services and management and budget be decreased due to Covid-19? My
answer is, undoubtedly it will. So why decide on this project NOW? We should wait until
we have all of these answers.
4. Communication of the SG project- I do not like the way residents are able to
communicate-"send your questions in and we will ask them." -I do not want my questions
paraphrased by someone who works and is being paid for by SG. The FOCUS and
INTENT of my question was not being expressed and therefore I never got an answer.
Most of the time was spent on answering questions to the "sizzle part of this project" I
realize in person contact/ meeting can not take place due to Covid, but the Citizens of
Webster have a right to ask their own questions and get detailed answers to their
questions, not a summary of a number of questions that fit that category or issue.
5. The proverbial phrase-"the nose of the CAMEL is in the tent" comes to my mind with
this project. We need to pull the tent back and see the size of this camel before
committing to anything on this project. Webster would be wise to do so, especially in our
uncertain times of the present.
Janet Noble, RN, BSN, CCM Nurse Consultant
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Katie Nakazono - Remarks by Visitors - City Council Meeting
Exhibit D
From: Richard Mazzarella
To: <citycouncil@webstergroves.org>
Date: 7/21/2020 3:55 PM
Subject: Remarks by Visitors - City Council Meeting
My name is Rich Mazzarella. My wife and I have been residents of Webster Groves for more than
32 years at 135 Dornell Dr and we own about a dozen properties on Dornell Dr and St John Ave
which directly border the Old Webster development project by SO Collaborative. My wife is the
CEO of a Fortune 500 company (the only one who resides in Webster Groves) and we recently
decided to plan for retirement here instead of Florida as many of the CEOs do. We are currently
pursuing a 1.5 million dollar addition/renovation project of our "retirement home" at 135 Dornell
Dr. The reason it cost so much is that we are making/remaking everything to match the original
home. This house was owned by C.R. Comfort (Sim Comfort) which is one of the names on the
plaque in the Webster City Hall entrance since he was one of individuals involved in its
construction. We will have almost 4 million dollars invested in this area.
So it breaks my heart that we are going to great pains to preserve the history and character of our
home and that the current SG Collaborative Project is so out of character with the rest of downtown
Old Webster. The "public hearing" process has been a mess from the start and it has been under the
shadow of the COVID-19 crisis when the majority of people are primarily worried about their jobs
and their health and the health of their family.
1. I own multiple properties adjacent to this project and I was not infonned of the first two
meetings. How does that happen? I was informed a few hours before each meeting by my daughter
who is active on social media.
2. According to the latest US Census Statistics for Webster Groves less than 90% of the residents
have broadband access. How do the other 10% participate in these virtual meetings?
3. The questions which are answered in the meeting are at the liberty of the people running it. If
they choose to not ask your question (screen your question) or give you a vague answer or
effectively a non-answer then there is no opportunity to ask the question or ask a follow-up
question. There is also no opportunity for open discussion and healthy debate. The contrary opinion
has no voice.
4. Have we not learned anything from COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2)? Density is a problem. We are
becoming a denser world. Pandemics will spread more easily. We are fortunate to have avoided
SARS1, MERS and Ebola. By my calculation there will be more than l 000 people living and
working in effectively a one city block area. That is equal to about 5% of the population of Webster
Groves.
5. Do you need 7 story buildings at the cost of greatly increased density, traffic problems, wider
roads, destruction of the creek environment, less green space overall and greater noise. Won't three
story buildings preserve the character of downtown better if the project is done at all. I like the
character area and don't want to see it completely destroyed.
All of these points should be openly debated in public when this crisis is over and should not be
swept under the rug under the overhang and secrecy of the current crisis.
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Thanks,
Rich Mazzarella
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Agenda
Due to St. Louis County health regulations, the July 21, 2020 Work Session and
Regular Meeting will be available to the public only via teleconference. Instructions
on listening through your phone or computer to the teleconference are available at
webstergroves.org/teleconference.
Those who wish to provide a comment under the "Remarks of Visitors" section or
provide a comment related to a “Public Hearing” may do so by email. All emails
should include in the subject line: “Remarks of Visitors” and be sent to
citycouncil@webstergroves.org no later than 4 p.m. on July 21, 2020 in order to be
included in the meeting minutes.
CITY OF WEBSTER GROVES
COUNCIL WORK SESSION AGENDA
DATE: JULY 21, 2020
6:30 P.M.
LOCATION – CITY HALL
(VIA TELECONFERENCE)
#4 E. LOCKWOOD AVENUE
1. BOARD & COMMISSION INTERVIEWS
2. REVIEW REGULAR AGENDA
3. MAYOR/COUNCIL/CITY MANAGER ISSUES/MEETING UPDATES
4. TOPICS:
• Quarterly Financial Report
• Council Liaison Selection for Boards and Commissions
5. APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
6. EXECUTIVE (CLOSED SESSION)
RE: 1. ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATIONS
[MO. STATUTE 610.021 (1)]
2. REAL ESTATE [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (2)]
3. PERSONNEL [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (3)]
4. NEGOTIATED CONTRACT [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (12)]
7. ADJOURNMENT
CITY OF WEBSTER GROVES
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
DATE: JULY 21, 2020
7:30 P.M.
LOCATION – CITY HALL - #4 E. LOCKWOOD - (VIA TELECONFERENCE)
Due to St. Louis County health regulations, the July 21, 2020 Regular Meeting will be
available to the public only via teleconference. Instructions on listening through your phone or
computer to the teleconference are available at webstergroves.org/teleconference.
Welcome to the regular meeting of the City Council. We welcome questions, ideas and
comments from persons in attendance. Members of the audience may, however, comment
only when recognized by the Mayor or Mayor ProTem if the Mayor is absent. We ask that
comments be limited to three minutes in order to complete the agenda within a reasonable
time. Comments concerning items not on the agenda should be made during the Remarks of
Visitors section of the agenda, near the beginning of the meeting.
(Due to St. Louis County health regulations all Remarks of Visitors comments, and Public
Hearing comments, shall be submitted via email to citycouncil@webstergroves.org no later
than 4 p.m. on July 21, 2020 in order to be included in the meeting minutes. Please include
“Remarks of Visitors” in the subject line.)
I. ROLL CALL
II. REMARKS OF VISITORS
III. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
1. Bill #9125 – Third Reading – An Ordinance Granting a Conditional Use Permit to
DRA Properties LLC to Install Nine (9) Cellular Antennas Atop an Existing Light Pole
as an Accessory Utility Facility Use at Moss Field on an Approximately 17.30-Acre
Tract of Land at 630 S. Elm Avenue in the “A4” Seventy-Five Hundred Square Foot
Residence District and Matters Related Thereto
IV. NEW BUSINESS
1. Bill #9126 – First & Second Reading - An Ordinance Permitting the Subdivision of
Certain Property at 116 Summit Place and 120 Summit Place in the “A3” Ten
Thousand Square Foot Residence District
V. NEW BUSINESS - MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY
MANAGER
VI. APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA
1. Approval of Minutes – July 7, 2020
2. Resolution #2020-29 – A Resolution Restating and Affirming Ordinance #7669 Which
Established Section 2.080 of the Code of Webster Groves, “Compliance With the State
Conflict of Interest Law”
3. Resolution #2020-30 - Authorizing the City Manager to Purchase Road Salt for the
2020-2021 Winter Season
VII. APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
VIII. EXECUTIVE (CLOSED SESSION)
RE: 1. ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATIONS
[MO. STATUTE 610.021 (1)]
2. REAL ESTATE [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (2)]
3. PERSONNEL [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (3)]
4. NEGOTIATED CONTRACT [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (12)]
IX. ADJOURNMENT
Individuals who require an accommodation (sign language, interpreter, listening
devices, etc.) to participate in the meeting should contact the City Clerk at 314-963-
5318 (fax number 314-963-7561) or Relay Missouri at 1-800-735-2966 (TDD) at least two
working days prior to the meeting.
NEXT REGULAR MEETING DATE: TUESDAY, AUGUST 4, 2020
LOCATION TBD
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