City Council - Regular Meetings
Regular MeetingWebster Groves, MO · December 7, 2021
Minutes
CITY OF WEBSTER GROVES
December 7, 2021
The City Council met this date in a regular session, in the City Council Chambers, which was
available to the public in-person and via teleconference, at 7:30 p.m.
Present at Roll Call: Mayor Gerry Welch
Councilmember Laura Arnold
Councilmember Pam Bliss
Councilmember David Franklin
Councilmember Emerson Smith
Councilmember Karen D. Alexander
Councilmember Sarah Richardson
A quorum was present.
Also present: Dr. Marie Peoples, City Manager
Mr. Neil Bruntrager, City Attorney
Ms. Katie Nakazono, City Clerk
A motion was made by Councilmember Arnold, seconded by Councilmember Franklin, to move
the Remarks of Visitors portion of the agenda to after Unfinished Business.
Mayor Welch called for the vote to move Remarks of Visitors on the agenda.
MEMBERS VOTING:
AYES: ARNOLD, BLISS, FRANKLIN, SMITH, ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON, WELCH
NOES: NONE
Mayor Welch stated that Remarks of Visitors would be moved to after Unfinished Business.
PUBLIC HEARING
55 West Moody:
An Application by Sunshine Peak, LLC for a Change of Zoning from “D” Commercial to
“PC” Planned Commercial District on an Approximately 1.3 Acre Tract of Land Located at
the Following Addresses: 55 W. Moody Avenue and 34 N. Gore Avenue
Mayor Welch opened the public hearing, and Mara Perry, Director of Planning and Development,
gave a presentation. [Exhibit A- Copy in City Clerk’s office] on the proposed change in zoning.
She stated that it came out of Plan Commission with an 8-0 vote to move it forward to Council.
Ms. Perry explained the existing zoning of the property [See Exhibit A, page 2]. Most of what the
applicant wants to do is already allowed under the Code. The reason for the change in zoning is
specifically to ask for two uses that are not included. She reviewed surrounding uses, the history
of the property, and existing conditions [See Exhibit A, page 2-3]. She reviewed the
Comprehensive Plan analysis and the Zoning Analysis [See Exhibit A, page 4]. Permitted uses
are to be requested from “C” and “D” Commercial District regulations [See Exhibit A, page 5].
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Councilmember Franklin asked about parking. Ms. Perry explained the parking restrictions and
requirements.
Ms. Perry reviewed recommended setbacks, height, and intensity of use [See Exhibit A, page 6-
7].
Ms. Perry reviewed parking recommendations [See Exhibit A, page 8-10]. She stated that parking
is a really delicate balance right now. She reviewed access and circulation [See Exhibit A, page
10-11]. There is a lot of flexibility in this, we are not saying this is exactly where ingress and egress
will be. She reviewed tree preservation and landscaping, and stated that they will have to meet the
current requirements. They are not asking for a reduction. She reviewed performance standards,
the ARB, and Historic Preservation [See Exhibit A, page 11-12].
A question was asked about lot coverage and stormwater. Ms. Perry stated that we are trying to
add additional information to the Code on pervious pavers and green roofs. Ms. Perry reviewed
staff recommendations [See Exhibit A, page 12-14].
Morry Cole, applicant, stated that when you hear Sunshine Peak LLC, what you're really hearing
is me and my wife Elizabeth. We're 20-year Webster residents. Three kids here in the Webster
Groves schools. I'm not sure exactly how I drew tonight for our modest project. Being mindful of
the 90 people on zoom and folks here I’ll be very very brief. I'd like to offer my compliments to
Mara Perry and also particularly Danny Jendusa. They are very user friendly and have helped
neophyte folks like this get to you with relative efficiency. Our goal here is to eliminate an obsolete
motorbank and do something complimentary for our hometown. We believe this accomplishes
that. I know you have a long evening in front of you and a lot of fellow citizens participating so
I’ll be quiet and just answer any questions that you may have for me.
Dave Buck, 124 S. Elm, stated he’s said it before, communities and their people move forward at
the speed of trust. If there is no trust there is no progress. I have known Morry a long time. I trust
him implicitly. I think this would be a great development.
Chris Earp stated that he has previously come before the Council and said he is not against
development, however, in this case, I think this could be a strong project. As this develops I urge
Mr. Cole and the Plan Commission and others that this will impact the back yards of the people
living on Marshall Place. Please remember sound and light levels. I look forward to monitoring
this project as it progresses.
Councilmember Alexander asked about the makeup of the buildings. Mr. Cole stated that
preliminarily they anticipate each residential unit will be approximately 1,475 square feet. These
are planned as condominiums.
City Attorney Neil Bruntrager entered the following into the public record:
1. Plan Commission staff report by Danny Jendusa, Planner, for meeting date Nov. 8, 2021
2. Applicant’s written statement, proposed uses and Preliminary Development Plan description
3. ALTA/ACSM Land Survey Title, with subject properties highlighted
4. Conceptual site plan and floor plans
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5. Photos of architectural concept examples
6. Parking study, November 2, 2021
7. Draft Minutes of the November 8, 2021 Plan Commission meeting
8. Director of Planning and Development’s Powerpoint before the City Council December 7,
2021
9. Zoning Code of the City of Webster Groves
Mayor Welch stated that the Public Hearing was closed.
BILL #9175 – FIRST & SECOND READING
Councilmember Richardson introduced BILL #9175 – AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
CHAPTER 53, THE ZONING CODE, BY CHANGING THE ZONING FROM “D”
COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO “PC” PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND
APPROVING A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN AT 55 W. MOODY AVENUE
AND 34 N. GORE AVE., ON AN APPROXIMATELY 1.3 ACRE TRACT OF LAND AND
MATTERS RELATED THERETO, and at the Councilmember’s request, the Bill was read
twice, first and second times by title only, and placed on the agenda for future consideration of the
Council.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
BILL #9166 – THIRD READING
On motion of Councilmember Franklin, seconded by Councilmember Arnold, BILL #9166 – AN
ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 53, THE ZONING CODE, BY CHANGING THE
ZONING FROM “A4” SEVENTY-FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT RESIDENCE
DISTRICT; “B1” MULTIPLE FAMILY DISTRICT; “E” INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND
“PC” PLANNED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TO “PC” PLANNED COMMERCIAL
DISTRICT AT THE FOLLOWING ADDRESSES: 55 LINCOLN AVE, 62 LINCOLN
AVE, 49 N. GORE AVE, 51 N. GORE AVE, 61 N. GORE AVE, 65 N. GORE AVE, 69 N.
GORE AVE, 79 N. GORE AVE, 40 N. ROCK HILL RD, 200 SHERMAN PLACE, 201
SHERMAN PLACE, 203 SHERMAN PLACE, 205 SHERMAN PLACE, 207 SHERMAN
PLACE, 200 W. KIRKHAM AVE, 204 W. KIRKHAM AVE, 234 W. KIRKHAM AVE, 240
W. KIRKHAM AVE, 242 W. KIRKHAM AVE, 320 W. KIRKHAM AVE, 340 W.
KIRKHAM AVE, 107 W. PACIFIC AVE, 109 W. PACIFIC AVE, 111 W. PACIFIC AVE,
115 W. PACIFIC AVE, 125 W. PACIFIC AVE, 147 W. PACIFIC AVE, 207 W. PACIFIC
AVE, 209 W. PACIFIC AVE, 211 W. PACIFIC AVE, 227 W. PACIFIC AVE, 315 W.
PACIFIC AVE, 325 W. PACIFIC AVE, 341 W. PACIFIC AVE. ON AN
APPROXIMATELY 15.1 ACRE TRACT OF LAND AND REPEALING ORDINANCES
#3835, 3900, 6467, 7320, 7369, 7424, AND 7519, AND MATTERS RELATED THERETO,
having been introduced and read twice on November 2, 2021, was taken up its title read a third
time and placed upon its passage to become Ordinance #9166.
Mayor Welch called for the vote on Bill #9166.
MEMBERS VOTING:
AYES: NONE
NOES: BLISS, FRANKLIN, SMITH, ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON, ARNOLD, WELCH
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Mayor Welch stated that Bill #9166 failed.
Prior to the vote on Bill #9166, Councilmembers made the following statements:
Councilmember Bliss read a statement [See Exhibit B].
Councilmember Franklin stated, I just want to begin first by thanking our city staff from Dr.
Peoples to Neil to Eric to Mara and her team, to every board and commission that weighed in on
this to the TIF Commission. I think throughout this process we've demonstrated that we have some
very highly qualified intelligent, creative city employees and we should be grateful and thankful
for that. And we should reward them as we go forward because what makes this city churn on a
daily basis are the city's staff. I also want to thank the SG Collaborative team for coming forward
despite how I’m going to vote. SG Collaborative engaged with us - I think that's a process and a
paradigm that Webster has not seen in quite some time. I also want to thank the citizens of Webster
Groves for getting engaged and staying engaged throughout this process. Obviously, the
importance of what our community looks like is of the utmost value and character to this Council
as we determine how we should vote. I encourage you to stay involved and to keep voicing your
opinions as to what you want to see and what you don't want to see. You know there's a lot that
could be said about the negatives throughout this process, but frankly I look at this entire process
and see a really well-functioning government, a Council that has attempted at every level to engage
with the citizens and to hear from them in order that we come to the right vote. I think that Webster
Groves has demonstrated that we are a city open for development, open for new ideas - they just
have to fit what Webster residents want. So, I think we have a bright future here in Webster Groves
and we have that bright future because of all of you the citizens and because of the leadership in
this city. And so with that I will vote no on this proposal.
Councilmember Smith stated that before I take my vote I want to make sure that we do understand
what we are now voting for. Listening to the citizens and the neighbors of Webster is what we're
here to do. That's our job to listen to what you say you want in your city. Throughout this
development it showed us some imperfections that we had. We need to fix the flooding. We need
to fix the traffic. We need to fix all the negative concepts that were brought up in this development
agreement. Now as Webster we need to roll up our sleeves and get that done. I think we had a
preliminary cost of fixing the culvert where the flooding is like $1.25 million. So somewhere along
the line Webster Groves must come up with that to fix it. The Old Community Church is still there
and so nothing would happen -- it would still remain flooding. The residents in that area on Gore,
they're going to still experience flooding. So, since this was not the objective of the community to
do this development, so we can have a current revenue stream for future Webster and have our
business development improve, we must roll up our sleeves and do what we need to do to provide
the funding to get some of these things done. So when it comes time for us to come to the residents
for specific funding for specific projects to solve some of these issues like the parking, the traffic,
the flooding, we need to become Webster and vote in favor of these items. I am supportive of the
development because I look for the future of Webster. You know I probably might not be here in
20 or 25 years but I think we're laying a strong foundation for the future of Webster. Some things
that I did on my own for us -- it was about two three years ago our children graduated from our
schools. They graduate and they stay away they don't come back. You know we lose almost 2,000
or 2,500 students a year just to that. So following Pam's comments that she made I'd be looking
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forward to working with the residents of Webster so that we can solve some of these problems that
came up during this process. But my vote is no.
Councilmember Alexander stated good evening and thank you to the City Councilmembers. Thank
you to our city administrator Dr. Peoples, our staff, and thank you to the citizens of Webster. Like
many of you, my family has lived here for a long time. For 57 years. I've listened to the plans I've
listened to the citizens and I think many of us agree we are not against redevelopment in this area.
We want to see redevelopment, but this is not the redevelopment that many of us want to see. I've
been told and it's been said repeatedly that if we don't do this we won't do anything. I refuse to
accept that. I believe that we have enough of a desire, enough talent, and enough will to pull
together as a community and to determine what's possible in terms of redevelopment. So for that
reason I am not voting for this development. My vote is no. I look forward to working with the
community and the citizens on what's possible for the city. Thank you.
Councilmember Richardson stated yes, I just want to say that for me this last year has been a
process of watching good faith engagement from all sides. In addition to some of the maybe less
good faith engagement we've seen. But I've seen city staff dedicate numerous extra hours. Our new
City Manager who walked into this project not knowing what she would be getting into necessarily,
and our assistant City Manager who have provided over and over again the expertise and the time
that we've asked of them. In addition to the rest of our city staff and Mara Perry in particular. We
are so lucky in this city to have these people here and that's the main thing I want people to take
away. We're also really lucky to have a group of citizens who can engage and can organize and
can say to the Council this is not what we want. That's something else we don't take for granted
that matters a lot to me and so I see you and I hear you and I also really appreciate the good faith
effort by the developers who live in Webster and who want what's best for the future of Webster
Groves as well. This has been an educational process for all of us. It's been a hard process it's been
I would think a lot of sleepless nights for many of us in trying to determine what really is the best
plan for Webster Groves. This is not an easy question and so for those of you who think this is
crazy that we're even considering it, I ask you to think again. We have to consider these kinds of
ideas and we have to start really thinking about the future of Webster Groves but unfortunately we
are not ready. I echo many of the comments of my fellow Councilmembers who I also really
appreciate and respect the way that they have taken on this challenge in this project and really seen
it through in terms of making the best decision possible. But I also will vote no.
Councilmember Arnold read a statement [see Exhibit C].
Mayor Welch stated that I will echo a lot of the thank yous here for everyone who participated in
this proposal. I want to thank SG Collaborative for coming forward for responding to the RFP and
for putting all of their interest and time in this and certainly our staff. Again, I echo everyone's
thanks to the staff. To my fellow Councilmembers and to our residents you know I've been around
for a long time but this has drawn more community interest than anything I have ever seen over
the decades. And what is really a bit heartwarming to me is that people have been very respectful
during this process. We've been respectful of each other's opinions and with very very few
exceptions people have worked hard at thinking this through and talking with each other. You
know there are a lot of things here I think part of what happened here was that this project is
misaligned with our community values. There are things that we value here you know. We're a
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community of small businesses and the loss of so many of the businesses in that area with the
possibility of eminent domain I think was misaligned for us. We love our neighborhoods and the
prospect of traffic and destruction from construction was really difficult. We value our natural
assets. Shady Creek is something that a lot of communities would love to have. This is our only
water stream in this community and the value of that cannot be denied and I think that had an
impact here too. Finally, I think there's a lot positive to come from this project. I see this
community coming alive with really good ideas for appropriate projects in the redevelopment area,
including a conversation I had this afternoon with a proposal that really surfaced because people
got involved. We've learned a lot. I think people have participated in government processes and I
hope people don't go home and say I'm done because local government is all about participation
from all of you. So while this is a disappointment to so many people this really is a process that
brought a lot of increased understanding and participation and I'm pretty hopeful that all this
creativity is going to result in something positive for the community and with that I vote no also
BILL #9172 - THIRD READING
On motion of Councilmember Smith, seconded by Councilmember Bliss, BILL #9172 – AN
ORDINANCE APPROVING A LOT SPLIT DIVISION OF LAND AT 402 E. GLENDALE
ROAD, ZONED “A4” SEVENTY-FIVE HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT RESIDENTIAL,
having been introduced and read twice on November 16, 2021, was taken up its title read a third
time and placed upon its passage to become Ordinance #9172.
Mayor Welch called for the vote on Bill #9172.
MEMBERS VOTING:
AYES: FRANKLIN, SMITH, ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON, WELCH, ARNOLD, BLISS
NOES: NONE
Mayor Welch stated that Bill #9172 was approved.
REMARKS OF VISITORS
Dave Buck read a statement [See Exhibit D].
Jackie Olson, 318 Simmons, stated that she wanted to implore all of you not to take away the
Saint Louis Gym Center by eminent domain. I won't go down that road. I want to thank you
all for your public service. I know it's very hard, and I can see that thi s has been a difficult
project for all. So, thank you for the work that you're doing for our communities.
Councilmember Smith, I heard everything you said about we still need to fix these problems,
and, if we the community can help in any way let's get together and do that. Thank you each
of you, and Mayor Welch you were the one person that did respond to my letter in the last
two weeks, and I was quite impressed to have gotten a response from you, and thank you all
for your votes tonight I appreciate it thank you.
Mayor Welch stated that I think we've all had so many emails, and letters, and I think on
behalf of all of us I apologize for any of them that we missed because there were days when
there were 50 emails that popped up, and sometimes it was just hard to answer all of them.
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Ralph Hoffsten, 629 W. Kirkham, stated that I was taken by the comments of Mr. Franklin,
and other people about something positive. I don't know if this is feasible, but it seemed to
me that what the school district did [regarding elementary school redistricting] -- I know it
displeased a lot of people. They didn't want their kids to walk, whatever it was, but it worked,
and it worked because let's say they were patient. Now this is not a small development, I mean
we were talking about something big the school district moving buildings around and that,
but it worked because they took the time and there was a constant feedback process and then
it came down to two choices that was months after that, and that was something import ant.
This thing that happened -- this big project took months and months too, but the feeling was
always that we were never in the loop, and that the email comments went into this deep vat .
I'm glad to hear the comments were read, so I will continue to hope for the best. And I’d like
to take part, like many others.
Bud Bellomo, 118 Summit Ave., stated he was disappointed, as you know, just a little bit of
history for the folks up here, we started this when I was on the City Council, and the Mayor
and I are the only ones in here from that original beginning of this whole thing years ago, but
I understand you worked hard, I understand the issues in the community. I was hoping for a
different outcome because I think this is a very important thing for the futu re of the City. A
very important thing. The thing I disagree to some extent is what Laura says, that I don't
believe anybody else is going to be interested in developing this, but what I want to say to
finish just quickly is that I appreciate the work you've gone through, and really do appreciate
that the work of the people that were against the project from the start, from the start of the
information flow at least they worked hard, and they were very successful at getting the
outcome they wanted. So my view now is it's done it's over let's get on with business and look
for the future. Thank you.
Larry Chapman stated, good evening everyone, let me just say this, I of course respect your
decision, and the one thing that I'm disappointed in is that in all this time that we've spent
over the last two years, the one thing we never heard was what you would accept. Yes, I told
you that for all the things we were giving this was as far as we could go, but I never once
heard, well this would be okay, and this would be okay, I just didn't. If you could show me
where that was done, and we could have tried to accommodate, but it didn't. So, if you're
going to go forward you're going to need to send a clear message to others of what you will
be willing to accept and allow to go forward because without that I don't know how you're
going to attract anybody. I just don't. It's very complicated. It's super expensive. We had to
spend more than a million dollars just to get you the information that you wanted. Other
people are going to have to do that too. How are you going to encourage them to do that, if
they don't know what is going to be okay? So the first thing you need to do is encourage all
of you to put together a set of things that are in fact acceptable so that yo u can actually get
somebody to come to the table. Because without it, I don't think you're going to get anybody.
As much as you believe that, I just don't think you are. That's 42 years of experience in this
business talking. So appreciate what you've all done. Have a good evening. Thank you. The
Mayor stated, Mr. Chapman, thank you very much for all your efforts.
David Suttle, 2386 Robertsville Rd, stated that many of you may know me from Suttle
Mindlin, the design firm, that was here many years, and my partner was on the Architectural
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Review Board. We love Webster Groves. We did the Straub’s redo, and on the corner the
bank, and love the streets and the character of the city. Having said that, proposing a major
development in a community like this is just very difficult. It's a horrendous thing to do, and
as has been said the amount of effort and money that it takes to do it, and you come up with
an answer like this, I would say that from experience in Highland Park , Illinois, the city paid
for all of the structured parking and therefore the development that built on top of it could be
affordable. So there's going to have to be give, to get what you want, a bit smaller, a bit more
this and that. It doesn't happen, because people have to make money at what they're doing,
and you can't just tell somebody to make a park out of it, and it'll be what the community
wants. So it's a real challenge, but I know that from a density point, and all of these things
that you're talking about, that'll take care of itself. The one thing I would like to suggest, and
I haven't looked at the plan, other than just a simple view, the plan that shows the meandering
street and so forth, I think the most important thing to me as a planner is to look at how the
existing city has a continuous unbroken fabric that connects whatever is new, with the old.
The minute you stop and put a break in a shopping street or a mall or anything else -- people
just stop. There's no continuity. So to worship at the altar of continuity of sidewalk s,
amenities, retail, whatever, that's important -- I would suggest that it seems difficult to have
a single street paralleling the existing street -- doesn't exactly suggest that maybe it could
happen, however continuing that great effort the grid of the streets, of the city pulling the two
together might be a place to start. I haven't studied it, but those are my thoughts, and I wish
you the very best because we love the city. Thank you.
Jean Hudson stated that I have nothing but accolades for you all. I hate that it has been so
arduous. You all are worn out, but so are we -- going back and forth and not knowing which
way we were going from time to time. I applaud each of you. I know your decision was very
hard tonight. Laura something you said before really stuck with me, it's not that we didn't
want it, it was too big for where it was, and the TIF bothered me, in that the night of January
the 1st you won't be able to get TIF in a floodplain. I don't know about planning, I don't know
about building, I don't have to worry about it, because I live in the historic district, and you're
not coming to my area, you're not going to go to the Park, you're not going to involve any of
us, but it did not mean we didn't care, and it did not mean because we were not going to be
involved that we're not here tonight -- because we all care about Webster, and you're right
we've got to put our minds together and figure out what we're going to do, but two stories
underneath, and great gigantic buildings looking at each other, and our poor little shady creek,
without our deer and our little turtle and beaver, and whatever, and goats eating up the
vegetation. Like I said there's so many of us who were not involved -- you're not coming to
my area -- it's coming down Kirkham, coming down on those little homes. You made it
arduous, not you all, I'm not employing each one of you did it, but you made it arduous for
those people to do certain things in that area. I just want to thank you from the bottom of my
heart because I know this has been a long arduous process and thank you for listening to the
people who love and will support you in this community. Thank you.
Mary Becker on zoom said she hit the wrong button, but would like to thank you for all your
work.
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NEW BUSINESS
A motion was made by Councilmember Franklin, seconded by Councilmember Arnold, to
postpone indefinitely Bill #9169, #9170, and #9171.
Mayor Welch called for the vote to indefinitely postpone Bills #9169, #9170, and #9171.
MEMBERS VOTING:
AYES: ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON, WELCH, ARNOLD, BLISS, FRANKLIN
NOES: SMITH
Mayor Welch stated that Bill #9169, 9170, and 9171 would be postponed indefinitely.
BILL #9169 – FIRST AND SECOND READING – NOT READ – POSTPONED
INDEFINITELY
#9169 – AN ORDINANCE DESIGNATING A PORTION OF THE CITY OF WEBSTER
GROVES, MISSOURI, AS A REDEVELOPMENT AREA; APPROVING THE
DOUGLASS HILL TAX INCREMENT FINANCING (TIF) REDEVELOPMENT PLAN;
APPROVING A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT FOR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT
AREA 1 AND ADOPTING TAX INCREMENT FINANCING WITH RESPECT
THERETO; MAKING FINDINGS RELATED THERETO; AND AUTHORIZING
CERTAIN ACTIONS BY CITY OFFICIALS
BILL #9170 – FIRST AND SECOND READING - NOT READ – POSTPONED
INDEFINITELY
BILL #9170 – AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT FOR
REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT AREA 2 OF THE DOUGLASS HILL TAX INCREMENT
FINANCING (TIF) REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND ADOPTING TAX INCREMENT
FINANCING WITH RESPECT THERETO; AND AUTHORIZING CERTAIN ACTIONS
BY CITY OFFICIALS
BILL #9171 – FIRST AND SECOND READING - NOT READ – POSTPONED
INDEFINITELY
BILL #9171 – AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT FOR
REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT AREA 3 OF THE DOUGLASS HILL TAX INCREMENT
FINANCING (TIF) REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND ADOPTING TAX INCREMENT
FINANCING WITH RESPECT THERETO; AND AUTHORIZING CERTAIN ACTIONS
BY CITY OFFICIALS
BILL #9173 – FIRST AND SECOND READING
Councilmember Bliss introduced BILL #9173 – AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF
WEBSTER GROVES, MISSOURI, AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE
SUBMISSION OF A BALLOT PROPOSITION TO THE QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE
CITY OF WEBSTER GROVES, MISSOURI, ON APRIL 5, 2022, TO CONSIDER
IMPOSING A LOCAL USE TAX AT THE SAME RATE AS THE LOCAL SALES TAX
OF THE CITY OF WEBSTER GROVES, MISSOURI, FOR PURCHASES FROM OUT-
OF-STATE VENDORS, and at the Councilmember’s request, the Bill was read twice, first and
second times by title only, and placed on the agenda for future consideration of the Council.
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Resolution #2021-67 – Authorizing the City Manager to Purchase an Ambulance for the
Fire Department
A motion was made by Councilmember Arnold, seconded by Councilmember Franklin, to
approve Resolution #2021-67.
Fire Captain Grossenheider gave a brief presentation on the new ambulance.
Councilmember Franklin clarified that this is a replacement, not an additional ambulance.
Mayor Welch called for the vote on Resolution #2021-67.
MEMBERS VOTING:
AYES: ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON, WELCH, ARNOLD, BLISS, FRANKLIN, SMITH
NOES: NONE
Mayor Welch stated that Resolution #2021-67 was approved.
BILL #9174 – FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD READING
AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE #9151 DEFINING THE COMPENSATION
FOR CERTAIN EMPLOYEES IN SAID CLASSIFICATIONS
A motion was made by Councilmember Arnold, seconded by Councilmember Bliss, to conduct
all three readings of Bill #9174 this evening, due to the compelling reason that this was a
pending personnel matter that needs to be resolved.
Mayor Welch called for the vote.
MEMBERS VOTING:
AYES: RICHARDSON, WELCH, ARNOLD, BLISS, FRANKLIN, SMITH, ALEXANDER
NOES: NONE
Mayor Welch stated that all three readings of Bill #9174 would be conducted this evening.
BILL #9174 was read twice, on December 7, 2021, first and second times by title only, and placed
on the agenda for future consideration of the Council, and then was taken up its title read a third
time on December 7, 2021, and placed upon its passage to become Ordinance #9174.
Mayor Welch called for the vote on Bill #9174.
MEMBERS VOTING:
AYES: WELCH, ARNOLD, BLISS, FRANKLIN, SMITH, ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON
NOES: NONE
Mayor Welch stated that Bill #9174 was approved.
CONSENT AGENDA
A motion was made by Councilmember Alexander, seconded by Councilmember Arnold, to
approve the Consent Agenda.
Mayor Welch called for the vote on the Consent Agenda.
MEMBERS VOTING:
AYES: ARNOLD, BLISS, FRANKLIN, SMITH, ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON, WELCH
NOES: NONE
Mayor Welch stated that the Consent Agenda was approved.
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
December 7, 2021
City Council
21-PC-08 55 West Moody
First and Second Reading of An Ordinance Amending Chapter 53, The Zoning Code, by
Changing the Zoning from “D” Commercial District to “PC” Planned Commercial
District and Approving a Preliminary Development Plan at 55 W. Moody Avenue and 34
N. Gore Avenue, on an Approximately 1.3 Acre Tract of Land and Matters Related
Thereto.
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Existing Zoning –
“D” Commercial District
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Surrounding Uses –
• Old Webster
• Office, restaurants, retail,
personal services, etc.
• Banks
• Elementary school and place
of worship
• Surface parking and
structured parking
• Union Pacific Railroad
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
History–
• Subject properties zoned “E”
Industrial from 1923 to 1983
• Existing office building at
34 N Gore built ca 1880
• Drive-thru bank teller structure
at 55 W Moody built in 1973
• Subject properties rezoned to
“D” Commercial District in 1983
• Sept 2019, Bank of America
closed their business license with
the City of Webster Groves. The
timing for the non-conforming
use of the ATM facility is tied to
when the business is no longer
operating within the City. That
use expired in September 2020.
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Existing Conditions –
Looking at 34 N Gore from SW Looking at 55 W Moody from SW
Looking at 55 W Moody from South Looking at 55 W Moody from SE
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Comprehensive Plan Analysis –
• General Objective is the
“…development and
maintenance of a residential
community”
• Mixed use in Old Webster
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Zoning Analysis –
• “PC” Planned Commercial
Districts allow for integrated
mixed use districts
• Districtsare to be developed
according to a Development Plan
referred to the City Plan
Commission for study, public
hearing and approval
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Use –
• Permitted Uses are to be requested
from the “C” and “D” Commercial
District regulations.
a. Multiple Family Dwelling for up
to seventeen (17) dwelling units
b. Accessory Parking Lot
c. Art Gallery
d. Art Studio
e. Bakery, retail
f. Coffee Shop, no drive-thru
g. Financial Institution, drive-thru
h. Office for the conduct of any
lawful business or professional
pursuit
i. Parking garage
j. Personal Services
k. Retail Sales Establishment, no
drive-thru
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Use –
• Staff recommends requiring all
non-residential uses at 55 W
Moody Ave to be restricted to the
first story
• Maximum 5,000 sqft commercial
use at 55 W Moody
• Reduction of 2 dwelling units for
every 1,000 sqft of commercial use
at 55 W Moody
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Dimensional Regulations–
Setbacks
• Staff recommends maintaining
the “D” Commercial District
regulations on setbacks and yard
projections at 34 N Gore Ave.
• At 55 W Moody, staff
recommends maintaining the
“D” Commercial District
regulations on side and rear yard
setbacks
• 55 W Moody front setback
• 15-ft, if incorporating
functional front balconies
w/ up to 5ft projection
• 10-ft, if no front balconies
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Dimensional Regulations–
Height
• Staff recommends maintaining
“D” Commercial District
regulations on height, allowing
a maximum height of four(4)
stories and fifty-six (56)-ft
• To establish the desired
massing and scale, staff also
recommends establishing a
minimum allowable building
height of two (2) stories
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Formula Calculation Preliminary
Dimensional Regulations– Development
Intensity of Use Plan
Lot Coverage Building 15,981 sq ft/ 34.44% Lot
Footprints 46,409 sq ft lot Coverage
• Lot coverage is the percentage divided by
of the exterior footprint of Total Lot Area
buildings in relation to total area Floor-Area Ratio Total Adjusted 39,733 sq ft/ 0.86 Floor-Area
Gross Floor Area 46,409 sq ft lot Ratio
of the lot divided by
Total Lot Area
• Floor area ratio is the ratio of Minimum Land Total Lot Area 46,409 sq ft / 2,730 sq ft Land
Area divided by 17 dwelling units Area per Dwelling
internal gross floor area of # of Dwelling Unit
buildings in relation to total area Units
of the lot
• Minimum land area per dwelling
unit is the lot area divided by the
number of dwelling units
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Formula Calculation Preliminary
Dimensional Regulations– Development
Intensity of Use Plan
Lot Coverage Building 15,981 sq ft/ 34.44% Lot
Footprints 46,409 sq ft lot Coverage
• The “D” Commercial District divided by
does not establish maximum or Total Lot Area
minimum allowable lot Floor-Area Ratio Total Adjusted 39,733 sq ft/ 0.86 Floor-Area
Gross Floor Area 46,409 sq ft lot Ratio
coverage, FAR, or minimum land divided by
area per dwelling unit Total Lot Area
Minimum Land Total Lot Area 46,409 sq ft / 2,730 sq ft Land
Area divided by 17 dwelling units Area per Dwelling
• Staff recommendations: # of Dwelling Unit
• Max lot coverage of 40% in Units
PC District
• Max Floor area ratio of 1.0 in
PC District
• No set minimum land area
per dwelling unit
• Maximum 5,000 sqft
commercial use at 55 W
Moody
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Parking –
• 54 existing off street surface
parking spaces at 55 W Moody and
14 existing off street surface
parking spaces at 75 W Lockwood,
used by existing office tenants at
34 N Gore and 75 W Lockwood
• 34 currently leased
• Up to 46 leased historically
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Parking –
• 72 off street surface parking
spaces to be provided at 55 W
Moody
• 40 surface parking spaces
• 32 structured parking spaces
• 14 existing off street surface
parking spaces at 75 W Moody
• Total of 86 off street parking
spaces to be made available to
tenants at subject properties +
offices at 75 W Lockwood
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Parking – Use Type City Code Requested Units Recommended
• 72 off street surface parking Parking Standard Parking Spaces
spaces to be provided at 55 W Multiple 1.5 parking spaces 17 dwelling units 25 parking spaces
Moody Family per dwelling unit
Dwelling
• 40 surface parking spaces Requested 1 parking space for 8,233 sq ft & 73 parking spaces
• 32 structured parking spaces Commercial every 300 sq ft gross 13,919 sq ft
• 14 existing off street surface Uses floor area commercial floor
area
parking spaces at 75 W Moody Total: 98 parking
spaces needed
• Total of 86 off street parking
spaces to be made available to
tenants at subject properties +
offices at 75 W Lockwood
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Parking – Use Type City Code Requested Units Recommended
• The applicant has requested a Parking Standard Parking Spaces
parking reduction of twelve (12) Multiple 1.5 parking spaces 17 dwelling units 25 parking spaces
parking spaces, or approximately Family per dwelling unit
Dwelling
12%, citing the following reasons: Requested 1 parking space for 8,233 sq ft & 73 parking spaces
• The amount of common space Commercial every 300 sq ft gross 13,919 sq ft
found in the buildings Uses floor area commercial floor
area
• The historic parking lease Total: 98 parking
arrangements at 34 N Gore and spaces needed
75 W Lockwood which have
utilized only forty-six (46)
spaces at peak
• The potential for shared
parking between office users
during the day and residents at
night
• Six (6) additional bicycle
parking spaces beyond the
minimum required two (2)
spaces to offset three (3)
vehicle parking spaces
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Parking –
• Based on a review of the mix of
uses, the shared parking in the “D”
Commercial District and the
Parking Study, Staff recommends
approval of a maximum parking
reduction of twenty (20) percent.
The parking required will be based
on the uses submitted with the
final development plan.
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Access and Circulation –
• A single curb cut and drive aisle on
the west end of the site
• One way drive aisle for the drive-
thru ATM station.
• Access to the development will
need to meet standard access and
circulation calculations, including
minimum turning radius into the
development and parking
structures, as reviewed during the
Final Development Plan and
building permit review stages.
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Access and Circulation –
• Public Works noted that the
applicant will need to add a new
street curb along the north
frontage of 55 W Moody and
sidewalk may need to be replaced
to meet city standards
• The drive aisle for the drive-thru
ATM should be striped and/or
signage added to prevent vehicles
from entering the wrong way.
• Staff also recommends
incorporating an outer lane to any
drive-thru lane of at least eight (8)
feet width to allow for emergency
exit of vehicles in the queue.
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Tree Preservation and Landscaping-
• Per the Tree and Landscape Ordinance, a
set formula of landscaping will be
required based on several factors
integral to the Final Development Plan.
• A set amount of landscaping and
trees based on the amount of
building footprint facing streets,
sidewalks and parking areas
• Minimum landscape buffer
around the perimeter of surface
parking lots
• Minimum number of landscaped
islands within every set linear feet
of parking rows
• Screening around proposed trash
enclosures and exterior
mechanical equipment areas
• Only approved plant types and
species will qualify as fulfilling the
landscaping requirements where
necessary.
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Performance Standards –
• Staff recommends applying the
Performance Standards of the
adjacent “D” Commercial District.
Architectural Review Board –
• Renderings are conceptual. Final
elevations will be required to go
through ARB
Historic Preservation–
• 34 N Gore Ave is located within the Old
Webster local and National Register
Historic Districts and would require
Historic Preservation Commission for
any demolition.
• 55 W Moody is not within a historic
district.
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Recommendation –
Staff recommends approval of the application of the rezoning and preliminary development plan.
Should the Plan Commission wish to forward the request to the City Council with a recommendation of approval,
staff would recommend the following conditions to be placed on the request for a Change of Zoning:
1. All provisions of the City Code shall apply except as expressly modified in this Ordinance No. 9175.
2. The permitted uses for the “PC” Planned Commercial District shall be limited as follows:
a. Multiple Family Dwelling for up to seventeen (17) dwelling units
b. Accessory Parking Lot
c. Art Gallery
d. Art Studio
e. Bakery, retail
f. Coffee Shop, no drive-thru
g. Financial Institution, drive-thru
h. Office for the conduct of any lawful business or professional pursuit
i. Parking garage
j. Personal Services
k. Retail Sales Establishment, no drive-thru
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Recommendation –
Staff recommends approval of the application of the rezoning and preliminary development plan.
Should the Plan Commission wish to forward the request to the City Council with a recommendation of approval,
staff would recommend the following conditions to be placed on the request for a Change of Zoning:
3. Should commercial square footage be developed on the first floor of the structure proposed at 55 W. Moody
Avenue, a reduction of the allowable number of dwelling units will be two (2) dwelling units for every 1,000 sq
ft of commercial use added.
4. All non-residential uses shall be limited to the 34 N. Gore Avenue structure; the drive-thru ATM and not to
exceed 5,000 square feet of the first floor of the new structure proposed at 55 W. Moody Avenue.
5. Every use shall be so operated in compliance with the Performance Standards of the “D” Commercial District.
6. Total gross floor area of all structures within the “PC” Planned Commercial District shall not exceed floor area
ratio of 1.0. Structured parking accessory to the development shall not be included into the gross floor area
calculation.
7. Total site coverage of all structures within the “PC” Planned Commercial District shall not exceed 40%
8. The height of all structures shall not exceed four (4) stories nor be less than two (2) stories
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Recommendation Continued –
Should the Plan Commission wish to forward this to the City Council with a recommendation of approval staff would
recommend the following conditions to be placed on this rezoning:
9. Parking for each permitted use including 75 W. Lockwood Ave. shall be calculated per Section 53.180 et. seq. of
the Zoning Code with a maximum twenty (20) percent reduction of the total required amount of parking and
should 75 W. Lockwood Ave. be moved to a separate owner a shared parking agreement must be acquired for 55
W. Moody.
10. A minimum of eight (8) bicycle parking spaces shall be established, in accordance with the city’s bicycle parking
facility design standards.
11. A minimum of two (2) vehicle stacking spaces shall be provided in the drive-thru lane behind the ATM station. A
minimum eight (8)-ft wide additional outer drive lane shall be provided along the ATM drive-thru lane to allow
for emergency exit of vehicles in the queue
12. All structures shall follow the “D” Commercial District setbacks with the exception of the following:
a. A front building line of no greater than or less than fifteen (15) feet from the front property line with
functional open, unenclosed, and uncovered front balconies allowed to project up to five (5) feet beyond the
fifteen (15)-ft front building line at 55 W Moody Ave.
b. If functional front balconies are not incorporated into the design, a front building line of no greater than or
less than ten (10) feet from the front property line shall be met at 55 W Moody Ave.
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Exhibit A 12/7/2021
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Recommendation Continued –
Should the Plan Commission wish to forward this to the City Council with a recommendation of approval staff would
recommend the following conditions to be placed on this rezoning:
13. Any retaining wall that is greater than three (3) feet and less than six (6) feet and used to elevate a site above the
finished grade of a neighboring property shall be located a minimum of five (5) feet from a side or rear property
line. Any retaining wall that is six (6) feet in height or greater and used to elevate a site above the finished grade
of a neighboring property shall be located within the buildable area of the lot.
14. Signage: All signage shall follow Chapter 54 Sign Code. Any requested sign package shall follow Section 54.103.
15. Lighting:
a. A lighting plan shall be reviewed with the Final Development Plan approval meeting all lighting
requirements in the Building Code.
b. Light fixtures, whether stand alone or attached to the building shall not exceed twenty-five (25) feet in
height.
16. Opportunities for recycling shall be provided in the development.
17. Any restrictive gates or similar devices, either temporary or permanent, shall be accessible by the Fire
Department at all times. Any padlocks must be able to be opened with Knox key (Knox lock). Any restrictive
gates or similar devices shall only be permitted after the review and approval of the Fire Chief.
18. Additional fire hydrants, sprinkler, standpipes, Knox boxes and Knox locks shall be installed throughout the site
at the direction of the Fire Chief.
Bill #9175
Public Hearing – First & Second Reading
City Council 21-PC-08 55 West Moody
Recommendation Continued –
Should the Plan Commission wish to forward this to the City Council with a recommendation of approval staff would
recommend the following conditions to be placed on this rezoning:
19. The Fire Department shall have full access to the building during all phases of construction.
20. Any driveways or entrances/exits and canopies shall be able to accommodate the Webster Groves Fire
Department ambulance and other emergency vehicles.
21. All curb cuts and driveway approaches on W. Moody Avenue shall be to City standards and meet ADA
requirements.
22. A 6" barrier curb shall be installed along the north street frontage of W Moody Ave to match opposite side of
street.
23. On-street parking spaces on W. Moody Avenue shall be striped at the discretion of the Director of Public Works.
24. Landscaping shall be provided and maintained with a Final Landscaping Plan in accordance with city standards.
25. All mechanical equipment, trash receptacles, storage of materials and equipment shall be permanently screened
from view, from all four (4) sides, one side to include a workable gate or door, with wood or masonry walls. The
walls shall have a minimum height of six (6) feet. All screening required by this section shall be comprised of a
color and composition similar to that of the main structure of the premises.
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Exhibit B
Pam Bliss 12/7
DH statement at the time to vote: Final.
When discussing the future of Webster Groves, Douglass Hill doesn’t need to be a community-
dividing topic.
If we look at this project without the doomsday light or calling out the fears of what could go wrong, it
opens us up to the possibility and the subsequent reality that this project would truly be transformative,
and bring forth gains that wouldn’t otherwise be realized for decades.
If we paused to challenge our assumptions of what is “right” or “in character” or what is “the Webster
Way,” we could become a more open and prosperous city for every member of our community. After
all, Douglass Hill is to be built FOR people, ALL KINDS of families including those who may choose a
new and different type of housing.
Douglass Hill, as with any development, is full of both pros and cons.
The critical pros and cons are:
PROS
• Revenue: The project would ultimately create more than $35 million (conservatively) for all the taxing
jurisdictions, including at least $5+ million for our schools. For the City, this project would have at
least added $2 million during the life of the TIF plus the potential sales tax growth from increased
population and number of retail shoppers.
• Next, PC zoning would once and for all create a single zone in keeping with the comprehensive plan.
Site coverage of the building footprints is 27%, less than 40% of the maximum allowed. Parking
minimums are met most of which by putting the parking underground.
• A thriving community to attract new neighbors that’s full of new sustainable building practices as well
as better bike and pedestrian transportation. A live/work community built with multi-family housing
that attract a younger population.
• The bump in population would deliver hundreds of new customers to the doorsteps of businesses in
the Old Webster taxing district and our 4 other commercial districts in Webster Groves. Especially for
businesses, and even nearby churches and religious communities, who deliver everyday goods and
services such as groceries, household goods and healthy living. Plus new customers from an
expanded Great Rivers Greenway - it’s documented that biking trails along business districts lend a
significant increase in sales.
• Green roofs. Pervious pavement. Below-grade water retention systems. Clearing excessive
vegetation. Rebuilding the failing creek retention walls. And widening Shady Creek’s pinch point at
Gore and Kirkham are all planned for in this project. All together these measures in
Exhibit B
collaboration with the city staff, respected organizations such as the Deer Creek Watershed
Alliance, though I am not speaking for them, and the development team, I am convinced the
watershed of Shady Creek and ultimately Deer Creek would improve and thrive.
• Finally, the development team who has been instrumental in other projects is among the best
this region has to offer, with a track record of hitting the mark. This is a local and high-quality
team that I believe has the best interests of Webster Groves in mind.
CONS
• Some of the cons include building height - In my opinion the maximum building height should fall
within the ordinance of 56ft. and not be raised for this project.
• I am also concerned whether the 30% tree canopy will be retained because site prep near the
creek would occur by clearing nearly all at one time.
Throughout this process, we have attended many meetings with business owners, neighborhood
residents, environmental organizations, the development team and fellow council members. I also
submitted numerous questions related to identifying alternative no-build scenarios for zoning the
site, city funding of critically-needed new infrastructure, and discussing options for reducing the
building height.
For the redevelopment agreement, I’ve sent in numerous bulleted items as a wish list from staff
and the Green Space Advisory Commission, and more items to help ensure protections for
existing business owners in Old Webster.
Additionally, I created my own opportunities to engage in our community through office hours,
knocking on doors, and standing with residents during Town Hall and commission meetings, and
exchanging emails and phone conversations.
“The Webster Way” and “character” is not created by using hyperbolic language or by bullying one
side of the story through bold full-page ads and matching yard signs.
We as citizens know that we have the capacity to create a more prosperous city. But I have
learned from community that for you, it is a matter of taking the steps incrementally.
I listened carefully to the stated concerns from the School District during the TIF commission
meetings and from you, that our community is not prepared to take a bold step such as this. While
it is disappointing for the Chamber of Commerce, the Business Development Commission, the TIF
Commission and to those individuals who stepped forward to give the project their full
endorsement, I do hear you.
However, this evening, I must vote “no.” It would be not be the vote I would prefer to take, but it is
important to recognize our community’s pace of change. Thank you.
Exhibit C
Statement of Laura Arnold on the Douglass Hill development proposal 12/7/21
The Douglass Hill proposal has been challenging for me. It is easily the most difficult decision that I have made
as a member of the City Council.
There is a lot to like about this proposal:
• More customers for many local businesses
• Long-term tax revenue gains
• More housing options for our community members, including limited workforce housing
• Public gathering space that we currently don’t have
However, there are real costs and questions associated with moving forward, including:
• Displacement of current businesses
• What impact the size and scale of the project will have on our community and the clear discomfort
many in the community have with that size and scale—for our quality of life and for the environment
• Use of eminent domain and TIF for a project that is essentially a private rather than public enterprise
• Concerns about the lack of agreement with the WG School District
It leaves me with two questions:
• Is the public investment worth the long-term benefit of this project to our community when we take
into account the very significant concerns of our community members?
• If not this project, then what--because there is a real danger to saying no and expecting another
project to easily emerge. While many residents have commented that they want a development, as the
history of this site suggests, that it will not be easy.
After much consideration, I will vote against the bills. I had hoped for some way forward with SG Collaborative
but do not see it at this time, which is incredibly disappointing and more frustrating than I can adequately
describe. As Mr. Chapman has made clear, the size and scale of the project is what makes it economically
feasible. That does not mean that the size and scale of the project are appropriate for that site.
I appreciate those members of the community that weighed in on both sides of the proposal, especially those
of you who took the time to examine the project closely, ask questions and give us thoughtful feedback. I have
weighed all the questions, concerns and opinions and tried to at least acknowledge your thoughts, although
that has become impossible with the number of comments that we’ve received over the last two weeks.
I greatly appreciate the work our staff has done throughout this process. They have been unfairly maligned for
doing their job. We would not be in a position to make a thoughtful decision without their hard work. While
many staff members have worked to get us the best information possible, I’d like to especially thank Mara
Perry, Eric Peterson, Katie Nakazono and Marie Peoples.
I challenge those in our community who said that they want to see development in this area and our
community more generally to stay engaged and help us find some solutions. We will need your ideas and
support in order to find an alternative.
Community character is about a lot more than just buildings. It is about who lives and can afford to stay in our
community.
Exhibit D
From: Dave Buck
To: Welch, Gerry; Laura W. Arnold; Pam Bliss; Alexander, Karen; Richardson, Sarah; David Franklin; Emerson Smith
Cc: Peoples, Marie; Peterson, Eric; njbatty@aol.com; Perry, Mara; Starkey, Jenny; Nakazono, Katie; Conrad, Jennifer;
Curtis, Dale; Sebastian Bellomo; RONALD ZAGER; Clark Hotaling; lchapman@seneca-cre.com;
phil@greenstreetstl.com; liz@greenstreetstl.com; joel@greenstreetstl.com; Jaime Mowers; Drilingas;
newsroom@timesnewspapers.com; Melissa Wilkinson
Subject: Dave Buck "Remarks of Visitors" City Council Meeting, 12/7/21
Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 10:11:17 PM
I respect the Council and respect your vote. But I am very disappointed in your
votes and in your explanations for your votes.
I am always very suspect whenever Council votes 7-0 either for or against. It's like
decision by committee. I simply cannot believe that not one of you voted
differently given the significance and importance of this project and the two years
and all of the activity and communication that have transpired since SG
Collaborative was first awarded the project.
In your comments explaining your votes, two immediate observations:
- For YEARS, Council's #1 most important goal, above all others, has been "Ensure
Financial Security". And Council's #2 most important goal is "Foster a Strong
Business Community." Yet not one of you even mentioned how Douglass Hill
could dramatically help achieve both goals.
- I have shared the following quote before with Council because I agree with it and
have experienced its truth first-hand:
"An elected representative owes the people not only his industry but, more
importantly, his judgment. And he betrays the people if he sacrifices his
judgment for their opinions."
Yet every one of you referenced the people's opinions as major influencers in
reaching your vote. What happened to your own judgment - Susan's judgment;
Emerson's judgment; Pam's judgment; Laura's judgment; David's judgment;
Karen's judgment; and Gerry's judgment.
But your decision has been made and it's time to move on. I would, however,
suggest that you start having some deep and serious with the developer
community in St. Louis. Webster Groves already suffers from a negative
Exhibit D
perception as a very difficult city for developers to do business in.
Now, given SG Collaborative's stellar reputation and two years of time, effort,
creativity and community engagement - not to mention investing $1 million of
its own money to date developing the project - good luck immediately finding
another developer to step up and risk waiting into Webster's unfriendly shark
pool.
PEACE.
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