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Regular MeetingWebster Groves, MO · October 1, 2024
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Subject: Dave Buck's Remarks & City Council Decision on the Indoor Pool at Last Night's City Council
Regular Meeting, 10/1/24
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“To hopefully aid your discussion later this evening, here
Exhibit 1
are the Cliff Notes version of our indoor pool meeting last
week. The simple truth of budgeting is that incomplete
assumptions lead to incomplete financial projections.
Here is page 75 of the Aquatic Center Master Plan, the only
revenue projection for the indoor pool generated. Along
with the P&L on page 76 with showed a low revenue, big
profit loss and low cost recovery for the indoor pool, it
prompted City Council on August 1, 2023, to put the indoor
pool on hold and keep it out of Prop W and the Water Park
replacement project.
So we residents who are steadfastly for the indoor pool
started to investigate, particularly the indoor pool’s true
revenue potential. A municipal pool has two primary
revenue streams: admissions and swim lessons, which
often represent 70& of more of total revenue.
The standard admission model used for years by
Webster’s outdoor pool and ice arena has four revenue
components that include 1) Daily Admissions; 2) Season
Passes; 3) Resident Rates; and 3) Non-Resident Rates. But
NONE of these are included in this projection except the
same, flat and low rate of only a $4 daily fee for everyone!
Likewise, there is a standard swim lesson model that
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includes 1) Group, Semi-Private & Private Lessons at
escalating prices; 2) a progression of multiple lessons from
Beginner, to Intermediate, to Advanced; 3) a final capstone
class introducing kids to competitive swimming; 4)
different prices for residents and non-residents in
municipal pools; and 5) adult swim lessons. But NONE of
these are included in this projection except the same, flat
and low $10/lesson fee for only Group lessons for
everyone!!!
By simply adding in just a few of these assumptions and
making the revenue projection more complete, annual
indoor pool revenue projection can dramatically improve
and achieve near-breakeven and a cost recovery of over
91%, just like the outdoor pool!!!!
Whether you buy into our alternative revenue projection or
not, you are leaving lots of money on the table. It’s not too
late to take another dip in the indoor pool to find out – and
we are here to help you in any way that we can to finally
bring a better decision and peace to this indoor pool
opportunity.”
Postscript: The efforts, voices and positions of resident
indoor pool supporters were all in vain. Our revenue
projection was not even acknowledged or discussed by
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City Council & Staff last night, as they remain firmly
entrenched in the numbers on page 75 & 76 of the Aquatic
Center Master Plan, dated July 2023. As such, Council
decided and voted to put off any further consideration of
the indoor pool for THREE YEARS, until October, 2027 and,
as I understand it, no indoor pool foundation will be
included in the Water Park replacement.
Exhibit 1
Indoor Aquatics Programming
Indoor Price Per Session Total Per Session No. Sellable
Revenue Mgmt. Assump. Year 1 Year 1 Sessions Year 1
Daily Admissions / Memberships
Admissions / Memberships Total Attendance $4.00 22,000 1 $88,000
Swim Team Revenue
Meet Rental $/Day $1,500 4 1 $6,000
Club Team $/Lane Hour $10 12 275 $33,000
Master's Swimming $/Lane Hour $40 35 12 $16,800
Aquatics Instruction Revenue
Swim Lessons 8 classes/session $80 118 10 $94,680
Water Fitness $/Session $45 35 12 $18,900
Lifeguard Certification $/Session $50 20 1 $981
Food and Beverage
Food and Beverage $/Person $1.25 22000 0 $0
Area Revenue $258,361
Expense Mgmt Assump. Year 1
Part-Time Program Staff 50% of gross $65,680
Area Expense $65,680
Net Revenue $192,680
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Exhibit 1
Operational Summary
The following projections detail the pro forma for the Webster Groves Aquatic Center and the recapture
rate of operating expenses recouped by revenue. The seasonal options show a cost recovery rate for year
one at approximately 70% to 85%.
An analysis was performed on the year-round operation of the aquatic center’s lap pool and a cost-
recovery rate of 57% has been projected with an increase of expenses to $458,000.
_ Concept 1 Concept 2 Concept 3 Replacement Concept Indoor Aquatics
Construction Cost $5,016,985 $6,406,608 $7,447,493 $9,064,860 $2,902,560
Project Cost $6,489,972 $8,287,588 $9,634,077 $11,726,303 $3,754,752
Capacity 322 432 497 604 96
Total Attendance 32,516 44,268 51,426 58,102 53,204
Expense Budget $344,537 $424,023 $496,971 $558,326 $497,890
Revenue Projection $251,385 $367,979 $428,732 $499,665 $258,361
Cost Recovery 72.96% 86.78% 86.27% 89.49% 51.89%
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Exhibit 2
Accessory Dwellings
Expanding Housing Options
Exhibit 2
What is an accessory
dwelling?
• An accessory dwelling is a small residence that
shares a lot with a larger, single-family dwelling.
• An accessory dwelling is a self-contained unit
which has its own kitchen or kitchenette,
bathroom, and sleeping area.
Exhibit 2
Forms of Accessory
Dwellings
Courtesy of AARP’s The ABC’s of ADU’s
Exhibit 2
Consumer Perspectives
Exhibit 2
What is Driving Interest in
Accessory Dwellings?
• A lack of options for residents with
differing housing needs and preferences.
• Rising housing costs and a shortage
of affordable housing choices.
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What is Driving Interest in
Accessory Dwellings?
• A revival of interest in multi-generational housing:
affordable and independent living
accommodations for young adults living with
parents, and elderly parents living with children.
• Long-range demographic changes leading to
smaller household sizes and increasing numbers
of residents aged 60+.
Exhibit 2
Demographic Changes
• Long-term decline in fertility rates globally, nationally, in
Missouri, and in the St. Louis Metropolitan Area.
• Missouri and the St. Louis Metropolitan Area have entered
a “demographic winter” with more deaths than births.
• The average household size in Webster Groves has
declined from 3.46 persons per household in 1960 to 2.46
persons per household in 2020.
• Three out of ten Webster Groves householders now live
alone.
• One in four Webster Groves residents are aged 62 and
over.
Exhibit 2
Homeowner Perspectives
Exhibit 2
Reasons Homeowners Would Consider
Building Accessory Dwellings
AARP Home and Community Preference Survey (2021)
• Provide a home for a loved one in need of care (86%).
• Provide housing for relatives or friends (86%)
• Have a space for guests (82%).
• Create a place for a caregiver to stay (74%).
• Increase the value of their home (69%).
• Feel safer to have someone living close (67%).
• Earn extra rental income (63%).
Exhibit 2
Community Perspectives
Exhibit 2
Common Community
Concerns
• Change neighborhood character
• Reduced backyard privacy for neighbors
• Increase density
• Add vehicular traffic and on-street parking
• Increase school enrollment
• Increase demand for emergency response services
• Tax sanitary sewer infrastructure
(Source: American Planning Association)
Exhibit 2
Common Local Barriers
• Policymaking barriers such as a lack of
understanding, consensus, or will.
• Regulatory barriers such as a lack of permissible
locations, discretionary approval processes, and
overly restrictive zoning standards.
• Procedural barriers such as permitting.
• Financial barriers such as design and construction
costs and fees.
Exhibit 2
City of Webster Groves
Zoning Regulations
Exhibit 2
Land Uses
Exhibit 2
Local Land Use
Regulations
• Single Family Dwelling: a detached building
designed for or occupied exclusively by one family.
• Family: "one or more persons occupying a dwelling
and living as a single housekeeping unit, all of
whom, or all but two of whom, are related to each
other by birth, adoption, or marriage… .”
• Accessory buildings: a subordinate building or
portion of the main building, with a use incidental
to the main use of the premises.
Exhibit 2
Local Land Use
Regulations
City zoning allows accessory buildings to be used
as living accommodations in Single Family Districts:
• For part of the family residing in the main building,
or for a domestic service employee;
• For a maximum of two people;
• Cannot be rented;
• Cannot have a separate electric meter; and
• Must have a certificate of occupancy.
(Sections 53.048, 53.058, 53.068, and 53.078 of the City Code)
Exhibit 2
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Options for Consideration
Exhibit 2
• Clarify whether the zoning term "living
accommodations" includes a self-contained
dwelling unit.
• Consider zoning updates to allow living
accommodations to be occupied by more than
two residents and/or rented.
• Consider updating zoning
definition(s) to recognize changes in household
composition and housing needs.
Exhibit 2
• Creating clear, objective standards for "by right"
development is preferable to a discretionary
case-by-case process. For example:
o A square footage limitation related to the size
of the main house to ensure that accessory
dwellings remain subordinate to
the primary use.
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