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Thursday, November 6, 2025 7:00 PM Williamsport, PA Council Vice President Eric Yoder brought the Williamsport City Council meeting to order on Thursday, November 6, , 2025 at 7:00 PM.at Trade & Transit Center II, 144 W. Third St, Williamsport, PA. This meeting was duly advertised in the Williamsport Sun-Gazette. Council members present: Also, Present: Adam Yoder, President Derek Slaughter, Mayor, absent , President Mr. Willia Eric Beiter, Vice President Valerie Fessler absent Liz Miele, Councilwoman Sam Aungst, Fire Chief, Adam W Randy Allison, Councilman, Justin Snyder, Police Chief, absent Vincent Pulizzi, Councilman Solicitor Austin White Jon Mackey, Councilman, Janice Frank, City Clerk Bonnie Katz, Councilwoman Jamie Livermore Absent: Scott Livermore, S&P Adam Yoder Kris Black Bonnie Katz Bill Scott Members of the public Approval of the Williamsport City Council minutes of 10/16/25 approved upon a motion by Mr. Mackey and second from Mr. Allison All were in favor. Presentation Victorian Christmas Mr. Joseph Pawlak Good evening. Members of the Victorian Christmas fund want to express our opportunity for the 26th annual Victorian . Christmas event. I'm joined by other members of the committee tonight Mr. Joe[ Pawlak committee member names ] at the end of my presentation, Nan will come up and correct anything I've said. I have Mr.tickets Gary Knarr for the event and we'll distribute them after Mr. Tom Cillo C. Dean the presentation. Our mission statement says it all "building awareness and appreciation Dave Young, Police Chief for the rich historic Chief He architectural heritage of the greater Williamsport area, and the importance-over Sol. J. David Smith its preservation for future generations". Janice Frank, City Clerk, absent starting in 1999 with a candle lit tour of four homes along Fourth Street, the event grew from 150 visitors to well over Todd Heckman, Fire Chief , 1500 a year. In the previous two years, we have hosted guests from 35 other Pennsylvania counties, and from over 19 other states. With an emphasis on touring homes and buildings withNews Media variety of architectural styles, we aim to a wide enhance our guests' appreciation of not only the rich styles of building in our community, but also the history of the area. In addition to visitors to Williamsport, the local visitors benefit from the weekend. In 2023, the businesses, which were contacted, reported increase in business for the weekend from 5% to 200% in comparison otothe same weekend the previous year. Last year, 37 people spent the night in one of theMemberslocal of hotels. Our artisan market showcases local News Media area artists and highlights programs at YWCA. The boutique at the Members Y reports of the news media best ever of the year sales during the weekend. Three of the churches on the tour offer craft sales and lunches as fundraiser for their programs. These lunches routinely run out of food before the lunch hour is over. There are eight homes being presented this year. Two are in buildings which are striking examples of industrial conversions. The pajama factory includes two apartments, which highlight the opportunities for modifying industrial spaces into residences. The third residence is built on the third floor of the Suscon and diamond drinks factory and the possibility of living over the store. Maintaining the architectural and historic character of our community. These are options for the guests to consider for themselves and businesses. The five additional homes on the tour were built between 1870s to 1921. Providing a rich range of styles from English high Victorian Gothic to Queen Anne and tutor brick and Victorian. The high end Queen Anne architecture is also on the tour. The Raleigh House Museum is the only restored house in its error in Lycoming County, which is open to the public. The piece of resistance is the tiniest mansion in lase port. It's the focus of the Friday night program at Lycoming College. This was built in 1890 by the premier staircase and mantle artisan in the area. His name is William Slack. Liz, you should know that name. That's the front of your restaurant has William Slack, which your mother stands behind. That was built by William Slack. He built staircases for numerous mansions in the city along with other residences like the ones belonging to the Mesinas, Parsons and methodist Episcopal parsonage and the hotel, previous Lycoming county courthouse and grand jury box and judge's bench and furniture for the Masonic lodge and injury on the shore. Mystic slacks and artistic skills and the home is open to the public and we're indebted to Sue and JoJo Pots on the home. The churches tallied over 714 guests. Why is this important to our community? We are endeavored to benefit businesses and highlight the area and enlighten people of the options and preserve, restore and re-purpose the cities existing residences and buildings. According to the 2016 history of Williamsport historic structure survey, there were 459 historically significant buildings in the city. There's another group of buildings which warrant planning consideration and further research. 54% of the buildings in Williamsport built before 1900, helping give the city its unique character. Williamsport contains a rich variety of architecturally interesting buildings and the preservation, restoration, and re-purposes of these buildings would enhance the unique community for both residents and guests to enjoy. The Victorian Christmas event strives to highlight these unique qualities and the heightened awareness of possibilities and fulfills the mission statement and focuses on what Williamsport was, is, and could be in the future. Thank you all for the opportunity to share the Victorian Christmas event and vision with you tonight. Nan. Nan is our founding member. This is her 26th year, and she continues to be our guide and our mentor, and we are delighted that she's with us. He'll tell you all the nitty-gritty about the real foundation of this organization. Good evening, everyone. Mr. Mackey and City Council. I would like to start by saying that I was not born in Williamsport. I moved here in 1958. I drove up and down the streets of West Fourth Street. Some may remember they were de-lap dated buildings -- de-lap dated building ands first effort was in the late '60s when we planned a tour of homes, two tours of homes and then published two books with the help of the Junior League and then the formation of Preservation Williamsport. Through these organizations, City Council then formed HARB, which is the architectural review board. And then HARB governs the district and comes to City Council for its vote. We have discontinued in our work with several people, they were going to tear down the park home and thanks to Bob Illian, Tony Visco and a few others, they ruled against this. And I'm sure some of you were involved, and it's now a very successful business building. The one other thing we're very proud of is saving the Peter Herdick house from the wrecking ball and that was a joint committee formed by us called millionaire's row incorporated and in that committee was Randy Hipple and many other members that some of you would remember their names. They were just great followers of Preservation Williamsport. We published a walking tour brochure of historic district. We worked with many other organizations to continue our work in preservation. I think you can't really be successful in the future if you don't know where you came from. So that sort of part of my message. I would like you all to understand how hard many of us have worked to remind all the citizens of the gems that we had and have on West Fourth Street. So thank you. I hope we see you at a Victorian Christmas. -- at Victorian Christmas. ERIC: Thank you very much to Victorian Christmas to be here and bring attention to that. That's coming up here in the next few weeks and you do a fantastic job of helping bring attention to that part of historic downtown Williamsport and a fantastic job of saving downtown Williamsport and we applaud your effort and we thank you for continuing Limited Courtesy of the Floor There were no speakers. Public Hearing – Ordinance - LERTA Mr. Beiter opened the public hearing and asked if there was anyone who wanted to speak for the LERTA or Against the LERTA. There were none. So, Mr. Beiter closed the Public Hearing.: Bill #1883-25 Ordinance #6515 An Ordinance Amending Section 353.01 of the Codified Ordinances of the City of Williamsport, Lycoming County. Pennsylvania (final reading) The City Clerk read the ordinance. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Mr. Mackey made the motion and it was seconded by Mr. Allison. Mr. Williams, 'll start and if there's any questions from the first reading or follow-up questions from how this was covered the first time? Ms. Miele: I don't any we had any follow-up questions, Scott. What generally heard from council on the first reading is if the city moves forward with another commercial LERTA at end of 2026, we'd like the zones to be more targeted than most of the city. I don't know with an encourage development but in certain corridors we want to see it developed most strongly. That said, the observation was we've got one year left and I don't see any issue with including this final segment that, you know, we would just like it to be maybe a bit more fully considered, and I think several of us would be happy to offer input before we do it or re-enact it again in 2026. Mr. WilliamsI did re-watch that meeting. I wasn't able to be here, and that was -- I was hoping you'd mention that because that is something that -- Ms. Miele For me to say it, I see. Mr. Williams, I want to give you the opportunity to say it. I want to speak to the rational of adding census tracks and defining LERTA before defining commercial and it was sort of the quickest way to add in the rest of the commercially zoned property in the city. A lot of it is underdeveloped, undeveloped and zone commercial property that's currently vacant and undeveloped in those areas that we would like to see developed but currently, our develop is lacking software tools to do that granular analysis -- granular analysis you're talk about. Any future LERTA ordnance, I would want to look at a corridor basis and look at like a -- instead of a zone or a tract, actually look at a range of addresses that front our particular street. That would probably be the best way to do it, but lacking the software tools which we have budgeted next year to acquire nose and start doing that level of analysis and land use patterns and pull in county property records and look at what we have that might be vacant undeveloped property in certain Ms. Miele We cannot do a layered LERTA with higher levels of trying to think of a way if we're looking to encourage specific development in this zone and not in the ends of that and providing like a layer with a 10-year abatement and 5- year abatement on the fringe or something like that. Mr. Williams I'd have to look into that but I think you can pass separate -- I mean it's almost two distinct processes and set your zones first. Then you pass LERTA and scheduled abatements and I don't know why you can't have separate commercials and -- different zones and this zone this abatement and next year or the same year this separate zone a separate abatement and wouldn't be able to do that by property specific but by zone, I believe you can but I can confirm. I haven't seen that before, but I think you can. Ms. Miele: Just putting that out there if there's areas to encourage more strongly than others. It's exciting to hear you're getting the software to do that more, Scott. That's awesome. I would also say not that we don't have 8 million projects we should be working on, but something we've been talking about in most of my time on council is looking at rezoning within the city to try and more adequately develop a zone what and where and more zoning towards the pajama factory and residential businesses and homes and would suit us in other neighborhoods too if that comes out of investigations on alert to that would be a real benefit to that too: Rezoning recommendations and looking at underutilized par sales in the city and what's adjacent and rezone them or not to capture more residential to capture more commercial and capture a zone that does both. Anyway, thank you. ERIC: Anything else on item No. 7? The Ordinance was carried in second reading with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent. Land Development – HBF Foods Mr. Knarr Good evening vice President Beiter and members of council. HBF Foods is requesting a former land use of Primase land facility and the proposed plan for the western building structure addition of 40,748 square feet and a structure of 76,857 square feet. The proposed plan also includes removal of two western most parking lots, four walkways and 21 trees. The proposed parking lots are contain a total of 30,711 scare feet and -- square feet and 60 additional parking spaces. Addition two loading truck loading areas, the northern most will contain 8,908 square feet to serve as four loading docks and access provided via Central Avenue and loading dock 11,935 square feet to service three loading docks. Two proposed storm basins and water reviewed by Eric commit storm water authority and Bill Scott of city engineers and Liz will be happy of the 21 trees removed put back in front and they're just removing them because of the land development process. This was reviewed by Lycoming County and you have their comments and reviewed and made positive by the recommendations and I have planning here and can answer any questions. Mr. Beiter: This didn't go to committee, the question I have and I'll start off with is the access on Central Avenue, is that wide enough to accommodate? Mr. Knarr was reviewed and met those requirements. And they were made aware it is tight, but it is the requirement so we have talked to the owners as well. Mr. Beiter Okay. Liz, you had your hand up. Ms. Miele: HBF Foods, what are they doing? Mr. Knarr They process eggs, no, it's not a chicken farm. They merely process the eggs and they purchase the eggs from local and smaller farms that actually harvest them so what they do is they process them, they certify them and expect them and clean them, package them and they ship them out to obviously different businesses and stuff. One of their biggest ones they do utilize is Costco. When you go to Costco and purchase those eggs, they'll be coming from HBF Foods. Ms. Miele: And, Gary, when you said they were planting 21 trees, what you meant is they're cutting down 21 trees and replanting them? Mr. Knarr Yeah, they'll remove them in order to dot land develop want, parking lot, stapedius muscle water and once they finish that, they'll replant the trees. Ms. Miele Understood. So they're not actually -- are they meeting the 10% landscaping requirement? Mr. Absolutely, that parcel will have all that in. Ms. Miele: Not increasing the amount of green space at all? No, they're not. : I think that's about it. We shouldn't expect they're not a processing facility in any capacity going for them. Mr. Knarr Correct, the city doesn't have any of that stuff. Mr. Pulizzi You may not know the answer and any answers? Mr. Knarr> I'm not sure. When we talked to the owners and going from 100-200 jobs once they get up and running. Mr. Pulizzi: That's great news. Thank you. Mr. Beiter: Excellent. Thank you very much for bringing that forward and to -- Ms. Miele: Random question. Just a quick question, is the perception that we have an untapped market here for eggs from farms or is HBF Foods bringing with them farmers settling elsewhere? It's from the state of Pennsylvania and going to do it. It won't necessarily be from this area and l it's not necessarily that. Ms. Miele: If there's going to be increase in number of people farming eggs around here but okay. Thanks. >> Nothing to do with ongoing issue with Munsey. Ms. Miele: Okay, that’s good. Good things, Gary. ERIC: Seeing and hearing nothing else then, Mrs. Frank. The Land Development was carried with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent. An Ordinance Amending Articles 111, 123, 129, 131 of the Codified Ordinances of the City of Williamsport – Term Limits of Elected Officials Bill #1182-25 VETO OVERRIDE The City Clerk read the ordinance. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second There were no motions. Mr. Beiter: Motion please. Seeing and hearing no motion, Ms. Frank can we move onto item No An Ordinance Amending Article 111, 123, 129, 131 of the Codified Ordinance Term Limits(first reading) The City Clerk read the ordinance. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Mr. Pulizzi made the motion and it was seconded by Mr. Mackey. Mr. Beiter : All right. Mr. Mackey, if you want to enlighten us about why this is on the agenda and in this order. Mr. Mackey : Yep, this is essentially the exact same ordnance we passed in first and second readings and addition of the language suggested by Solicitor White and allowing three individuals the ability to run again and we passed this halfway through both all of their terms so essentially the contact same ordnances we passed in first and second reading and again, adding language that will allow, and correct me if I’m wrong, I believe it’s Council woman Katz, and two others to run again. That’s pretty much it. ERIC: Anyone have any questions about the new version of this ordnance? Seeing/hearing none, Ms. Frank. The ordinance was carried in first reading with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent. Bill#1885-25 An Ordinance Amending Article 709, Article 711, & Article 1344 of the Codified Ordinances of the City of Williamsport, Lycoming County, (first reading) The City Clerk read the ordinance. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Mr. Pulizzi made the motion and it was seconded by Mr. Allison. Mr. Knarr I present a noise amendment and a bit of background. several years ago the city entered into -- the PLCB banned music outside of the licensed establishment. We created entertainment ordnance district and what that did was that basically permitted these licensed establishments to have music outside the building limits as long as it's within the parcel. During that process, it was approved they could have music from noon to 10:00 p.m. on weekdays and from noon to 11:00 p.m. on weekends. It was all part of the ordnance. In 2022, PLCB went forward and initiated and allowing the establishments to have implemented music outside and ours is more restrictive and it's a state-run, we can't be more restrictive than they can. This is just modifying and cleaning it up and basically we'll be following the PLCB guidelines, which is very similar to what we have. Only difference of it is decibels are the same and distance is the same. It's just basically allowing PLCB to regulate that so we don't have to regulate that and enforce that. Take as bit of burden off the police department so they don't have to go out with a decibel reader or bureau codes to do a decibel reader. It's done by the PLCB. That's basically what this is doing is kind of repealing our ordnance and we'll follow the state's guidelines. Mr. Beiter: Any questions on item No. 11? Ms. Miele: I remember passing this and what a pain in the butt it was. Mr. Knarr> It was and each year we had to re-apply so what this does is this takes that away and city won't have to spend the solicitor's time to re-apply and we'll be governed by the state under the PLCB rules. ELIZABETH: And what constituted what decibels and measure it. oh, man. Anyway, glad to hear it. Thanks, Gary. ERIC: Hearing and seeing no objection, Ms. Frank. The ordinance was carried in first reading with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent. Bill #1886-25 An Ordinance Amending Article 189, Way’s Garden Commission, of the Codified Ordinances of the City of Williamsport, Lycoming County. (first reading) The City Clerk read the ordinance. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Mr. Allison made the motion and it was seconded by Mr. Mackey. Mr. Beiter We've talked about this before in the past couple of meetings because we just appointed Mr. Steven PETRO to the waste garden commission and only lifetime appointment in the city and we had the shade tree commission that are not lifetime. This ordnance is structuring the Ways Garden, the same way it's structured and you worked on this diligently as well. If you want to clarify a couple of things for us about how it'll be structured. Mr. Grimes , Ms. Frank did all the hard work and this has five members and Mayor as ex officio member and similar to how other house and boards in the city work and same language from the ordnances just for consistency and if there's ever a legal interpretation it'll be for both. But to begin March 2027 through 2031. The mayor has the ability, and in fact require to designate which of the current members fall into each of the initial staggered terms and would notify the commission and Ms. Frank of that and then at the end of the term like other commissions, you'd just reappoint individuals either currently serving or new to those positions for a few five-year term. Mr. Beiter Thank you for the explanation. Any questions for the ordnance. Yes, Liz. Ms. Miele I’m presuming that if no one is -- that is to say the appointment remains continuous unless we notify a member that we are terminating their appointment at their five-year point or will we will -- we'll need to reappoint every five years? So we'll need to bring them forward as reappointments like any other commission? Mr. Grimes Need to bring them forward at end of five year. Ms. Miele: They don't continue to serve until -- Mr. Grimes> correct. Wouldn't be -- would need to take them off or reappoint them after five years to keep them on. Ms. Miele: Good. Sounds good. Thank you. ere any other questions? Mr. Beiter Any other questions? Seeing and hearing none. The ordinance was carried in first reading with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent. Resolution #9960 Resolution Authorizing MOU between the City & Old Lycoming Township The City Clerk read the resolution. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Mr. Mackey made the motion and it was seconded by Mr. Allison.. Mr. Knarr This MOU is between old Lycoming Township and city of Williamsport and the city did approved land development plan for the Williamsport School District and the way the parcel broken down and where the school district is, part of it lies in old Lycoming and part in the city and both entity haves to review and go through the whole complete process. What this MOU does is basically an agreement between old Lycoming Township within the city and 90% of the parcel is within the city and taxed by the city, we'll be the only ones reviewing and putting through the whole process so that it'll speed up the land development process and it won't require what the process that you guys went through and reviewed everything that old Lycoming won't do that as well and basically we're in agreement that we will do all the land development plans for old -- the school district because 90% of the parcel is within the city versus old Lycoming. Mr. Beiter: Any question related to land development : Seems very straightforward. Thank you. Ms. Frank. The resolution was carried with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent Resolution #9968 Resolution Authorizing Engagement of Mid Penn Investigative Solutions, Inc. The City Clerk read the resolution. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Mr. Mackey made the motion and it waws seconded by Mr. Pulizzi. Mr. Pulizzi : It's Mid Pen Investigative Solutions and to look at providing investigative services relating to some damage that may have occurred inside of the city hall building. Pretty clear cut. Mr. Beiter : Any questions related to the ordnance? The resolution was carried with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent Resolution #9969 Resolution Approving a MOA between City of Williamsport & Williamsport Firefighters Local 736 The City Clerk read the resolution.. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Mr. Mackey made the motion and it was seconded by Mr. Pulizzi. Chief Aungst We have the local 736 fire fighters union and we spent pretty good amount of time, Councilman Pulizzi was the council rep on the negotiating team going back and forth with the fire union and weaver come do this agreement before you. It's a little back and forth like any negotiation and city gets a little bit and union get as little bit and we have a good MOA in front of us tonight. I appreciate Councilman Pulizzi's time on it as well as entire negotiating team there both on behalf of the city and the fire union. Mr. Pulizzi It was very productive working with the Mayor on this. I think we have a good agreement here in front of us. Whenever you're engaged in negotiation and two trains of thought and walk away upset for both or both walking away happy. I think we both walked away happy knowing that we both -- both parties got a little upset but that's where we find each other in the middle. I think we have a good agreement. Mr. Beiter: Excellent. Thank you all for your hard work on it and coming to the table and coming to an agreement. Mean as lot for us to make that an easy process and means a lot for taxpayers as well. Nothing else on that then, Ms. Frank. The resolution was carried with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent Resolution #9970 Resolution Authorizing an Intergovernmental Fire Services Agreement The City Clerk read the resolution.. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Mr. Pulizzi made the motion and it was seconded by Mr. Mackey. Chief Aungst l. I'm happy to provide agreement for assistance and fire rescue and QR S services to them and it was several hours coming and several hours spent by the city administration namely finance and South Williamsport bureau and fire department to bring this to you this evening. Reviewed by Mayor sleuth Slaughter and PM and Solicitor Nick Grimes. Mr. Beiter Open the floor to any questions anyone has. Ms. Miele I would say first actually for everyone watching if you went over the highlights and proponents of it, chief. Chief Basically we'd be providing response to box alarms -- basically all of the calls and calls similar and treat south Williamsport similar to the way east end is treated or the west end and they'd goat a full response to box alarms, full alarms, vehicle accidents, rescue and hazardous materials. Those kinds of things. In addition to that, they would also get some assistance with emergency management, very limited because they are able to take care of that themselves. Ms. Miele: Sorry, Chief. Do volunteer fire fighters take care of that or EMS? Chief Yeah, volunteer services, yeah. We will assist them with limited fire prevention in their day cares and schools and other community events. Preplaning, knocks box program and excuse me, we'll work with them on the knocks box program and they participate in that already. If you're particular with what the program is they have their system and we have ours, and we'll be working together on that. We'll also be doing exiting training, safety discussions for -- extinguisher training and safety discussions and juvenile training and inspector Younkin attended national fire academy for juvenile fire setting. We'll also perform fire investigation and origin and cause for the bureau and collaborate with other agencies and other insurance companies as well as perform courtroom testimony in the event that it goes to a court. Then other than that, it would be limited incident reporting, strategic planning and needs assessments, SOGs and policy, ISO rating and improvements and grants foster working relationships between police and code and Project Lifesaver. Ms. Miele: Thank you, Chief. Can you -- the working relationship with police and codes applies to our police and codes department or their police and codes department? Chief Their police and I don't know if they have a codes department, but they have a third party that comes in and does their codes. Ms. Miele : Can you explain how we arrived at the fee structure? Chief Sure. Initially back in 2022, we had established a similar offer to them and it was considerably more. We tried reaching out to them with a similar amount and we county didn't get the chance to offer that to them. The amount comes from a DCED down in Harrisburg through the Governor's Office, I think. It came out as a portion of number of calls they run, the housing value, assessed value and one other thing slipping my mind at the moment. Ms. Miele: DCED provided the number? Chief The initial numbers, and then when this, back in June, when this presented itself and they came and asked us to put a proposal together, we took those numbers and then we factored in a number of other items like the services that they would be receiving as well as other things like personnel and overtime factored in. We have three platoons with eight personnel on the platoons and one with nine. If there are eight personnel working so no one is off on vacation, no one is off sick or comp time or training, we will hire one additional person to make nine and send two over to south Williamsport to staff their truck. Ms. Miele: This agreement out of the gate necessitates the hiring of two additional people in the fire department? Chief I was going to say explain hire. That confused me at first too. It's not hire. Chief No, we would not be hiring -- we're not hiring any additional personnel. It's with the current compliment of personnel we have. When we say hire, I mean somebody off duty. They'll receive a phone call, do you want to work overtime today over in South Williamsport? Yes, no. They say yes, they come in and they -- one current person on the platoon working and one additional overtime person report to south Williamsport to handle their calls. Ms. Miele : Got it. And not to be a jerk, but is Jamie here? What's our cost per employee in the fire department annually, complete? Chief We kind of broke this down based on we took an average and used highest-paid employee and came up with hourly rate for that employee and figured in pension, health insurance, all that stuff. So I mean this calculation is based off of that. Ms. Miele Factored in over time? Chief Yes, there's overtime factors in there. I reviewed it and then we also took it to PFM, who has regionalization experience and asked them to review it as well and make sure everything is calculated and they were in agreeance that this calculation should not have expense on the city. Ms. Miele How much are they increasing? Chief We haven't discussed but the revenue over offset any expense. Ms. Miele They're increasing by 5% annually and our expenses increased by 5% annually; correct? PFM said 3-7% and anywhere between 3 and 7%. Chief It would be l -- we're also making sure we track this annually and tracking all the usage and tracking all of any of the costs and all that to make sure that it has the revenue that's coming in is not -- Ms. Miele Got it. I'm not looking to make money on south Williamsport. Chief> We want to make sure we don't have, you know, we're not causing -- Ms. Miele: We don't want to cause a deficit. No, no, right. Are we taking into account we're responding. Chief However, when we send the two individuals to south Williamsport, they will be utilizing their apparatus in their station. >> We put maintenance and gas and capital cost into the apparatus cost, yes. Ms. Miele: All right. Good. Then that sounds like a good start. Mr. Beiter : One thing I'll ask is I'm going to ask you to set your calendar for a year from now because I'd be very curious to see how this relationship works out. And Curious how this works out over the next year and what percentage of calls the city apparatus is actually responding to, how many times we actually have two of our fire fighters in their building and when they're responding. Just to get a break down of that and what it is and I know it'll be a small sample size for the first year. Locking for a mod and he will going forward for regionallized services and here's the data and what it'll cost and what we need in manpower and so on. So we can have a Bretter service for the entire Lycoming County, not that the city will be responsible but we need to look at that. The problem with volunteer fire fighting departments and getting older and harder and harder to get certified because of the expense and amount of time it takes to be certified. No huge compare and contrast and it's structured very similar and different than what we do with old Lycoming Township? Chief Correct. It's similar and modified and not staffing 24/7, 365. The staffing daylight only, 7-days a week including holidays. If there's eight individuals working on a holiday, say Tuesday, Veteran's Day, that's City Hall holiday, a lot of guys don't necessarily take off for it. They're still mandate to work and there's a possibility to be eight guys on duty. That was the case and we would hire one additional over time person and send two to south Williamsport. Ms. Miele: Old Lycoming fee structure is similar as well? Chief Not at this time. They pay in lieu of. They own the truck and equipment. They pay for lights, water, gas, heat. Over at old Lycoming. That agreement was in place in September for 26 years. It's been a very successful relationship Ms. Miele What qualifies as successful in this? |Chief There's really not been any -- a lot of turmoil or, you know this, is my fire scene, not yours. You're not going to take over. There's a misconception that when you hear the city of Williamsport Fire Department e we're going to come in and take over. We're absolutely not there to take over. We're there to proVADER assistance. -- provide assistance. We've demonstrated that time and time again and old Lycoming has complimented us over the years on that. We don't see a need to change that portion of our operations. Ms. Miele: Okay, thank you, Chief. Mr. Beiter : Thank you for your work on this. JON: Chief, how are yourself? JON: Talk a bit about listed services covered and not covered. So under fire prevention, there's a yes for preplanning and knock box program management limited for day cares and schools and community events. Could you just kind of explain what preplanning is and how that explain to a limited service for day cares and schools and events. Chief Pre planning is our guys getting out there and getting into a building and reviewing where the electrical shutoffs are, gas shutoffs and any target hazards? 55-gallon barrels of hazardous material and flammable materials and where there's fire department connection is and do they have sprinklers and where's the nearest hydrant? Those types of things, what's the rated fire flow that's needed to extinguish a fire at 25% of the building? That's what a preplan is. It gets us out there and gets eyes on it and we get to know things about that building. We then in turn up load to another software we utilize called "I am responding" so wherever we're dis-batched, I am responding pops up on the i pads in the trucks and they're able to go right to the building and they're able to click on the preplan and open that up, see where the nearest hydrant is and any pertinent information about the building, contacts. We need to make contact with the owner or somebody. There's phone numbers in there, that kind of thing? And it doesn't really play into the day cares or community events. What that's more geared toward or what that's meant under the fire prevention like last month and in October and going out to the schools and giving fire prevention talks and they have a team that does that? But they may need us to come over to show the younger kids the fire truck. That kind of thing. That's where that is. We're going to work with them so that's why it's kind of limited. Mr. Mackey So the preplanning, it feels like that's a lot of work that's already been done by their fire department on existing structures. Chief Every year would be optimal in the city of Williams part and Army and power and we're not able to accomplish that and that's for our needs and they have some preplans up loaded but we need to get out there and see -- we have a running document of where the fire department connections are located and where the knocks boxes are located and those kinds of things. We will need to get over there and you may, if you're over in south Williamsport you need to see one of our trucks and Inspector Youngkin was there earlier and familiarizing himself with the streets and names of the streets and where they're located and block numbers and target hazard over there. Just off the Tom of my head, the tank farm on Sylvian dough Dow and that's in Armstrong township. We'd still respond and even without this agreement one of our trucks still goes over there and we're dispatched automatically for the works incident. Mr. Mackey Little League and Emergency Management, who's their manager? >> Row may have met him at the MLB game. Talking about emergency management for little league and that's the facility that's coordinated by little league; right. They have their own staff. Correct, and I think Chief from loyal Sauk handles most of that up there. Mr. Mackey : Last question and in terms of limited services, it says they're provided discretion of the city and upon the payment of additional fees from the borough and who decides when we start to shade out of limited into the yes category. That would be the thought process there and it would be saying the high school, they want to have a bonfire. Much like Williamsport high school and they want to have a bond fire and South Williamsport Fire Department doesn't have the resources and personnel to stand by for that fire or that bonfire. They would, you know, they may reach out to us and say, hey, can you have somebody come over. That's not something that's in our agreement but it's like an ala cart and may need us for this or that. But there would be, you know, additional cost to that and that's broken down. We have that broken down in our numbers. N: That's something you, not you specifically but the fire department has the ability to say we just can't do that, sorry? Yes. JON: Or we'll do that and they get a bill? Chief yes. Chief> We work hand-in-hand with the south Williamsport fire department on this. JON: Okay. How many volunteer fire fighters do they currently have? >> I don't remember the exact number but they have eight personnel able to respond. Of the eight personnel there's five Fetter FIO ed to go interior. JON: Nothing else for me at this time. Mr. Pulizzi : Both Chiefs, great job. Thank you for putting together. Mr. Beiter: Thank you very much. Mark your calendar for this time next year for the update. Ms. Frank. The resolution was carried with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent Resolution #9971 Resolution Authorizing the Purchase of Internet Service from River Valley Internet The City Clerk read the resolution.. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Mr. Mackey made the motion and it was seconded by Mr. Pulizzi. Mr. Black Hello. We have a motion to purchase from River Valley Internet and at a price of $275 a month. We'd be getting three times the speed we're currently getting as well. Mr. Beiter: Sounds good to me. Any questions from members of council? Mr. Mackey: I'm curious the difference of the speed. 100 Meg bits both-up and down. This would be going to 300 megabytes both up and down. More and more of the applications becoming cloud-based and web-based, just have to plus with that price, you can't beat that. Ms. Miele: We don't need that up and down? > We bump up against it pretty much daily. It's not crippling but . Room to grow. Ms. Miele: Clearly we should switch. Next for the up and down. River Valley Internet is a local company. The feed between downtown and public works goes through them and the camera feeds in for the parks. Ms. Miele Call the personnel system? Call them that right now. Say hey. Mr. Beiter : Seeing and hearing nothing else from members of council. The resolution was carried with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent Resolution #9972 Resolution Awarding Construction Services for the Little League Blvd & Hepburn Intersection Traffic Signal The City Clerk read the resolution. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Ms. Miele made the motion and it was seconded by Mr. Pulizzi. Mr. Bill Scott It's the replacement of Little League Boulevard and Hepburn Street traffic signal. They've replaced a couple signals for us in the city and they've gone very well. The base load was $29,298.83. If awarded tonight, we'll have a kickoff meeting later this month, and we will begin -- they will be able to order parts and get the process moving and construction will happen this winter stormer and spring with a construction completion date end of June 2026. It's funded by pen Donald Trump, green light go program. ERIC: Thank you very much. Ms. Miele. ELIZABETH: They're walk corners? ERIC: Seeing and hearing nothing else? The resolution was carried with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent  Resolution #9973 Resolution Authorizing the filing of a Statewide Local Share Assessment Grant through the Commonwealth Financing Authority & Designating the Mayor & Grants Administrator as the Officials to Execute all Documents The City Clerk read the resolution. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Mr. Pulizzi made the motion and it was seconded by Ms. Miele. Ms. Shutts. The first resolution to authorize the city of Williams port to apply for the statewide local share account grant funding through the commonwealth financing authority to support the final design and engineering phase of the Williamsport public safety improvements project. This involves upgrades to existing secure public safety facility and advances to construction read day ness when it's -- readiness when it's available. Designates Mayor and Grants Administrator to authorize executed documents in agreements on behalf of the city. This is just to put in the application. Mr. Beiter: So you're coming back once the application is filed. Ms. Shutts> Yep, just approval to file the application. Ms. Miele: When are we likely to hear back on these two? Ms. Shutts Most likely in the spring. Ms. Miele: How common is it for -- how many grant requests is the agency currently feeling versus the pool of offer? Ms. Shutts LSA is popular and there's no local match. It's extremely competitive grant. Ms. Miele: Okay. So we'll be lucky to see one out of two? Okay. Does LSA fund for underneath the full amount requested? Ms. Miele Okay. What I'm asking is, is there a chance we'll hear back they're giving us $200,000 towards it? Okay. Ms. Shutts The application is not complete and it's just a readability proposal. Ms. Miele You submit for basic approval and put in the actual application? Ms. Shutts this will be an actual application. Just at this point in the application process, I just need to get this -- the resolution complete so I don't have the actual quote yet. The number on the resolution is just not to exceed while we finish that. The resolution was carried with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent Resolution # 9974 Resolution Authorizing the Filing of A Statewide Local Share Assessment (LSA) Grant through the Commonwealth Financing Authority & Designating the Mayor & Grants Administrator as the Official to Execute all Document The City Clerk read the resolution. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Ms. Miele made the motion and it was seconded by Mr. Pulizzi. Ms. Shutts This is for a application also with the LSA through the CFA to purchase a new leaf collection truck for the department of public works. We'd be replacing ageing equipment. ERIC: Any questions from members of council about that? Much needed equipment. Seeing and hearing nothing else, Ms. Frank. The resolution was carried with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent Resolution #9975 Resolution of the City Council of Williamsport Authorizing the Repayment of Hud Funds The City Clerk read the resolution. Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and second Mr. Beiter made the motion and it was seconded by Mr. Pulizzi. Mr. Williams. I don't want to pup here saying we're repaying HUD funds and we have a project where we're under budget from time to time or a project booned because it was unable to be completed and we have to repay the funds. This is three CBDG-funded projects unable to be completed. Over the past year, we've done a big review of these CDBG projects and we had a lot that were open in our HUD system. We did a review and try to complete the projects and the last three, we couldn't get them completed so we have to repay the funds. We knew they were likely going to have to so it's fully budgeted through the finance department. I will say because we discovered this and we were proactive about doing this, it's being repaid into our CDBG account to reprogram the fund so we're not just repaying the money back to HUD. It's going book into our account and we'll be able -- back into our account and we can reproject them for the city. Every ere that's a great point to bring up. Again, it's not a substantial amount but an amount you hate to see go. However, the fact it's going back into our bank so-to-speak is a really good thing. Is this something you were working on in chunks or have you gone through and audited all that at this point? These are the last three. Mr. Beiter: Okay. Mr. Williams Last three and no more of these that are open, outstanding projects that were abandoned. ERIC: Excellent. Any other questions for members of council? from members of council? Seeing and hearing none, Ms. Frank. The resolution was carried with five yes roll call votes. The vote was 5 to 0. All were in favor. Mr. Allison voted yes, Mr. Mackey voted yes, Mr. Pulizzi voted yes, Ms. Miele voted yes, Mr. Beiter voted yes. Mr. Yoder & Mrs. Katz were absent Certificate of Appropriateness - HARB Item 2. Tate Realty LLC 1005 West Fourth Street A. Prep and paint as needed with previously approved colors - (COA May 21, 2001)  Sea Froth –Body, Stone Harbor–window casings, Black Raspberry- doors, Dark Basalt-window sashes, Cloudy Gray-lattice. Benjamin Moore paint. Item 3. Mutchler, Richard & Terri 918 West Fourth Street A. Tear off all existing shingle roofing. Replace any damaged sheeting. Install dark drip edge, ice/water weather guard, CT synthetic roof runner, rubber vent pipes, flashing as needed and CertainTeed Landmark Pewter, architectural shingles. Existing spouting will be reinstalled. Accept for filing Finance 07/22/25 Veterans Memorial Park Commission 11/04/25 Controller\s Report June 2025 Mr. Beiter asked for a motion and a second to accept these for filing. Announcements The next regularly scheduled City Council meeting will be held on Thursday, December 4, 2025 at 7:00 PM, Trade & Transit II 144 West Third St, 3rd t floor, Williamsport, PA. First Budget Session meeting is Monday, November 17, 2025 & Budget Session 2 is Wednesday November 19, 2025, both at 7:00 PM here in Trade & Transit II, 144 West Third, St, 3rd Floor, Williamsport, PA Upcoming Meetings: Monday, Nov. 17 7:00 PM Budget Session #1 Tuesday, Nov. 18 11:30 AM Redevelopment Authority 6:30 PM HARB Wednesday, Nov. 19 10:00 AM Blighted Property 7:00 PM Budget Session #2 Thursday, Nov. 20 10:30 AM Zoning Hearing Board Monday, Dec. 1 12:00 PM Planning Commission Tuesday Dec. 2 11:30 AM Public Safety Committee 1:00 PM Finance Committee 2:30 PM Public Works Wednesday Dec. 3 9:00 AM ERC Thursday, Dec. 4 7:00 PM City Council Meeting Comments: a. Members of the Public Alex Hemminger and 331 Royal Avenue. Checking on progress for my proposal to change the ordnance for blocking driveways. I did e-mail the major and he told me to e-mail Mr. Nard and didn't hear back. We're looking into it and reviewing and we have the ordnance and Solicitor is updating it and deciding whether or not to bring it forward but going through the process. Well, that answers that. Thank you, guys. Mr. Beiter : Excellent, thank you for coming. Please state your name and address for the record. Mr. Bruce Huffman 1000 cherry street and I want to follow up on the Victorian Christmas presentation. That very same weekend November 22, 23 is the 34th annual Will Huffman toy train expo taking place at park place and Taber Museum and it's a much beloved family event. Some of you on council have attended over the years, some of the administration have attended, and I would just like to invite -- Ms. Miele : They give out fruit snacks there. >> I would like to again, invite you all and citizens of Williams port and come out for a great time. Thank you. Mr. Beiter Thank you very much for making us aware of that. Any other comments from members of the public this evening? Comments from members of council? Council Comments . Mr. Pulizzi: I have to say, when I walked in tonight I was really happy to see Mr. Grimes joining us again. I thought he was here to submit his application and resume to come back as treasuringer. I was disappointed that's not why he was here, but either way, good to see you. >> Thank you, and happy to be here at this seat. Mr. Beiter: Any comments from the news media. Mr. Mackey: Sorry. ERIC: Sorry, I skipped Mr. Mackey. Mr. Mackey: Yeah, Mr. Mackey. Council President Yoder is not here tonight so I'll ask this question, we have six business days until budget session. When can we expect to see the budget? Just as soon as possible. Ms. Livermore is putting finishing touches on it as we speak. JON: What would be the best way to get our copy between now and next Monday? >> Usual council President Yoder picks them up. I'll touch base with him tomorrow because we're just about there. PFM is looking at it and buttoning it up. JON: Wonderful. Thank you. VINCENT: I did have one thing that I wanted to say. Congratulations to Mr. Beiter, Ms. Meile and for getting reelected and I'll miss Mr. Allison and thank you to all of the others that ran to be part of the city governments. Thank you, all. ERIC: Thank you very much. Any comments from members of administration? Any comments from the news media?  b. Administration c. News Media Adjournment Meeting adjourned upon motion by Mr. Pulizzi and a seconded by Mr. Allison . Meeting adjourned at 8:20 PM with unanimous ayes. Submitted by: Janice M. Frank City Clerk