Citizen's Environmental Quality Committee
Regular MeetingWinona, MN · February 4, 2021
Minutes
CITIZENS ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMITTEE MEETING NOTES
DATE: Thursday, February 4, 2021
TIME: Scheduled for 4:30 pm (Virtual Zoom Meeting)
PRESENT: Dan Hall, David Ruff, Niki Ciulla, Lynette Power and Julie Fassbender
GUESTS: Jim Worthley, Kelsey Ocello, Jeanne Franz, Deb McClellan, Bonnie, Chris Meyer, Pam Eyden,
Tom Kujawa, Bruno Borsari, Lea Karlssen, Liz McCheel, Jan Taylor, Amy Koehler, Alex Leschisin,
Emilie Falc, Patrick Byron.
STAFF: John Howard, Chad Ubl, Patrick Menton, Malia Fox, Laura Hoberg, and Katie Grannes
(Community Forestry Corps)
1. Call to Order: Call to order at 4:31 PM by Dan Hall (Chair)
2. Review and Approval of Jan. 2021 Meeting Minutes: Motion by Julie, second by David. Approval
unanimous.
3. Community Garden Discussion:
Dan asked for an update. John said he spoke with the Park and Rec department following the January
meeting, and they are in attendance to discuss future plans. Chad introduced himself as the assistant City
Manager who oversees the Parks Department. He turned the meeting over to Malia Fox, who oversees the
Friendship Center.
Malia shared a video of a Gretna, LA community garden near New Orleans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox1nrBAsaKQ&feature=emb_l
Audio was not working so Malia provided narration. The garden has nice raised beds. The garden does
educational classes, has ample space for walking, and butterfly gardens. Malia sees this as a good model for
the proposed Community Center. Laura shared about the experience of the Friendship members who
volunteered at the East Rec. Center City garden and programs they helped coordinate. The more multi-
functional the garden can be, the better in their opinion.
Lynette asked whether the activities Laura described are in the past or planned for this year. Laura indicated
the intent is to retain these features. Dan asked about retaining a garden at the site of a new Community
Center. Laura affirmed that this the goal.
Lynette asked about the number of plots at the garden presently. Laura described there are 53 plots, some
managed by groups or the community, but principally individuals. There is a variety of sizes from 4x4 feet to
4x16 feet.
Lynette praised the work of the City to fit as many plots in. Dan asked whether a garden would be planned
for a new community center. Chad spoke of the intent to maintain current community garden resource to
some capacity at the current location and through additional locations.
Julie brought up the potential use of Sobieski and West Lake Park as community garden sites. Chad said staff
are considering expansion and alternatives if the ERC site were to be reduced. Chad and staff is interested in
understanding the user desires and goals to figure out the best options. Julie asked if there was a waiting
list, and Chad replied that there were waiting lists in the first years, but not in 2020. Specifically plots were
available at the end of the year, but claimed at the beginning.
Julie asked if the Prairie Island plots were spoken for. Chad said he believed there were, but they are
managed by the campground operator. Chad suggested Prairie Island expansion is another option.
Julie provided some background that 15-20 potential sites were evaluated for a future community garden,
with West Lake and Sobieski getting the most support from the CEQC as future sites.
Julie asked if the meeting attendees could weigh in with comments. Dan said this would be an appropriate
time for attendees to hop in, but asked to keep comments brief.
Liz McHeel is involved with the sustainable food and farming program at MSCS. She noted MSCS is looking to
establish a community garden and could receive help from the construction program.
Chris Meyer introduced herself as a former Master Gardener and shared that she invited Jim Worthley and
Tom Kujawa to speak. Lynette asked about the Stone Point Park gardens and if they are still in operation –
yes they are.
Jim Worthley asked if the community garden would need to be on City land. Jim has talked with the
community garden organizer at St. Mary’s (Kyle Black). St. Mary’s has a large area with a fence across Hwy.
14 from main campus area. Dan and Patrick Menton said that non-city land is being considered.
Tom Kujawa mentioned that Redeemer Lutheran hosted in the past and may be available in the future.
Bonnie stated that it is important that the City do outreach so people who need space or have constraints
(food insecure, transportation limited) are able to use garden.
Bruno Borsari provided his thoughts. Bruno described how Wapasha Gardens and J.R. Watkins were
successes, but discontinued. Bruno said the location is vital – he noted Stone Point Park is disadvantaged by
being 6 miles out of town. The East Rec garden has been great way to bring community together, and he has
been active in bee keeping there. He thoroughly supports community gardens and shared a link about a
book chapter on sustainability and another about the WSU arboretum. It is a must to convert lawn into
productive landscapes. Bruno stated MSCS would be a good partner.
Winona sustainability:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321343637_Achieving_Sustainability_in_the_City_of_Winona_
Minnesota_USA_A_Case_Study
WSU:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323483545_An_economic_value_assessment_of_ecological_ser
vices_in_the_tree_community_at_Winona_State_University_Arboretum
Deb noted that the SHIP program funds quite a bit for community gardens, including Maplewood, Prairie
Island and St. Anne’s. Kelsey Ocello is new SHIP coordinator: info@winonacountypartnership.com.
Patrick Menton asked about the total plots in town, and availability. Bruno said they don’t have numbers at
this moment, but all spaces are getting used. Patrick asked about who administered the Maplewood
Garden? Deb said a sociology class helps with the management [Jay Palmer at WSU is the professor who
organized the HRA garden]. Patrick also asked about getting food to those who need it. Chris Meyer
described her experience sharing food from community gardens. Jeanne Franz said the WSU garden produce
is taken to Winona Volunteer Services over the summer, and given to Warrior cupboard when school is in
session.
David asked if there is a coordinator or ability to coordinate community gardens? Seems there would be
potential to share best practices. Deb indicated that SHIP could help develop organization and bring
resources, such as funding a stipend and materials. It might helpful to think of it like a farmers market where
a coordinator helps with individual vendors. Patrick stated the sustainability of the project will be important.
Bruno said the ERC site and Wapasha did a good job by providing needed amenities, and achieved this with
coordination. Patrick noted that having staff time is a challenge, and raises cost.
Dan stated that there was a lot of good input, and the CEQC is probably not in a position to make a decision
today. Requested that John share information in the minutes and write up action items.
David brought up Chris Meyer’s comment in the chat of mapping the community garden resources, and
asked that it be included in the minutes.
Bruno asked if it is possible to build a garden yet in 2021. Julie said that ideally the CEQC was looking for
starting a new garden in 2021. Lynette said fencing at Lake Park would be needed to secure the site. Lynette
sees it is very important to have local accessibility.
Lynette asked about Hamilton St. location and other CEQC recommend sites? Patrick described that Tillman
Park has future work with flood control that may be problematic. In his view, Sobieski is a front-runner
followed by the West Lake site as future locations. Bruno said his favorite memories are tending bees at the
East Rec. garden. He sees the gardens as a magnet for community engagement. Chad said Sobieski might
not solve locational limitations. He is concerned infrastructure costs would be high for West Lake, and there
is no budget for work this year. Water to west Lake site will be expensive.
Dan wondered if CoVID restrictions would be an issue to building new garden. Lynette stated that where
there is a will, there is a way. Covid does not need to be a barrier. Bruno stated that even infrastructure does
not need to be a barrier.
Lea added her thoughts to the conversation and introduced herself as being involved in Wapasha Garden.
She wonders about the West Lake site being too wet. Chad said this site is wet during the spring, summer
and fall.
Chad reiterated that each site has pros and cons, and that he is trying to get to yes.
Lynette wonders about surrendering baseball field. It would not be popular with sports folks.
Julie suggests picking a spot and working from there. This would help in determining the budget needs. Dan
agrees. Dan wonders if Laura could mentor new coordinators who are community members. Chad says the
City can seek estimates of cost by working with community members, and the more details about sizing and
material needs, the better. Staffing is a concern, so public involvement is needed.
Niki introduced herself as a St. Mary professor and CEQC member. She has St. Mary’s students who are
excited about community gardens and could do a lot of planning legwork. Will have a new cohort available
every year to supplement and help with ongoing sustainability of the garden.
Lynette shared that her daughter was a coordinator for two gardens in Maplewood, and therefore knows
that funding is available.
Dan suggested that the action items are selecting a spot, the needs for the spot, etc. Lynette said a timeline
is also needed especially since the tight timeline before planting.
CEQC likes the idea of creating a task force to consider garden options and further the conversation. Julie
will discuss with the Mayor as part of the check in process.
4. Sustainability Planning Update:
John provided a brief update on the sustainability plan, and that CEE was selected as the consultant by the
City Council. Lynette asked if there are meetings to discuss which issues will be part of the plan. John
described that the steering committee selected six topics: energy, water, food production, material & waste,
land management [and transportation]. John said a community survey is forthcoming to get input on what
to focus on, should be online by mid-March. John expects to come back to the CEQC at that time for
collective and individual CEQC member input.
5. Adjournment: Meeting adjourned at 6:16 pm. Motion by Julie, second by Dan. Approval unanimous.
Notes prepared by John Howard.
Zoom Chat Log:
Patrick Byron: ARE community gardens located near those who have the greatest need?
GREAT comments, Bonnie!!
RIGHT ON, BRUNO!!
HOW can we tie any location with school kids?
Could we find out who might be interested in various aspects of these potential projects?
Bruno Borsari: Dear all, greening the urban space with edible landscapes, gardens, restoration is (and will
continue to be) an imperative to educate, engage society in learning and actions aimed at achieving food
security and a sustainable development. Here in attachment is a document that tells the achievements towards
sustainability in 2018. As you will see, gardening and composting were keystone activities in Winona. I hope that
we will be able to create opportunities to engage more Winonans in growing food in town and I remain fully
committed to get involved wiith this and similar projects. Thanks.! Bruno
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321343637_Achieving_Sustainability_in_the_City_of_Winona_Minn
esota_USA_A_Case_Study
Here attached is a paper describing what we did at Winona State.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323483545_An_economic_value_assessment_of_ecological_service
s_in_the_tree_community_at_Winona_State_University_Arboretum
Kelsey: Patrick, one of the projects SHIP recommends is a community garden to school lunch room program, so
that would be something we could look into as well.
Chris: Maybe we could put together a map and information about all the gardens and for those that can be
rented maybe we can get that information
Emilie: An intern could be paid to get gardens on a map
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&ll=44.73711586246581%2C-
93.42208&spn=1.096471%2C1.118395&source=embed&mid=15sjWGPwTvcrRfm1odWkkGKZi1EY&z=9
Or all you have to do is send an email to info@northerngardener.org to get on their community garden project
map for the MN state Horticultural Society
Jeanne Franz: If you need soil analysis done on potential new locations for gardens, Winona State students
would love to do that as a research project.
Malia Fox: I am very happy to have met all of you. I hope you saw the value of our community garden
presentation. I sure hope we can work together! Thank you!
Agenda
Feb. 1, 2021
Citizens Environmental Quality Committee
Winona, Minnesota 55987
Dear Committee Members:
The next meeting of the Citizens Environmental Quality Committee meeting will be held
virtually on Thursday, February 4, 2021 at 4:30 p.m. We will be using Zoom to video
conference, with a call in option as well. To access Zoom:
Join Zoom Meeting: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85610993614
Passcode: 55987
Optional Call in: +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
Meeting ID (Web and call in): 856 1099 3614
1. Call to Order
2. Review of January Meeting Minutes
3. Community Garden Planning Update (45 minutes)
4. Sustainability Planning update (5 minutes)
5. Other Business (5 minutes)
6. Adjournment
Sincerely,
John Howard
Natural Resources Sustainability Coordinator
CITIZENS ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMITTEE MEETING NOTES
DATE: Thursday Jan. 7, 2021
TIME: Scheduled for 4:30 pm (Virtual Zoom Meeting)
PRESENT: Dan Hall, Niki Ciulla, David Ruff, Lynette Power and Julie Fassbender
GUESTS:
STAFF: John Howard, Katie Grannes (Community Forestry Corps), Kelsie Travers (GreenCorps)
1. Call to Order: Call to order at 4:34 PM by Dan Hall (Chair)
2. Review and Approval of Nov. 2020 Meeting Minutes: Motion by Julie, second by Dan, approval unanimous.
3. Community Garden Discussion:
Dan asked for an update. John said there was not much news, although he did communicate CEQC
discussion points to Park and Rec. staff. The Park and Rec. department thought the West Lake and Sobieski
sites are worth discussing further. John did not have news regarding the East Rec garden.
John relayed that the Park and Rec. department was also looking at private land for gardens. Dan wondered
if these would be owned by the City or leased? John is not sure of the plan. John displayed the site of vacant
lots near J.R. Watkins.
Julie suggested that Lynette prepare some questions for the meeting. Lynette asked about who oversaw the
gardens at the East Rec? John said it was Lydia Boysen, the East Rec. coordinator, for the first 2‐3 years, and
Laura Hoberg this past year.
Niki suggested asking local groups, and gauging interest in partnering in the garden.
Discuss with master gardeners to help develop. Niki has experience with gardening, but not planning.
Katie shared that composting can be good tie in to the garden. Possible connection with YMCA.
Niki wondered about connection with high school? Julie suggest contacting Riverway and Dwayne Voegli.
Dan concurs.
Niki asked if the sponsoring partner is an important part of getting it up and running or also maintenance?
John believed it is both.
Lynette shared that the Maplewood community gardens are very popular and fill up shortly after being
open.
4. Boulevard Planting Policy Code Discussion:
John pulled up the proposed text and asked for CEQC input on the proposed changes. John elaborated that
other City staff reviewed the edits and suggested a change to the language about distances from corner
intersections.
Lynette asked about the text in 6. requiring engineering approval to adding anything to the boulevard, and
what level of change is required. Dan said adding pavers should not trigger this stipulation, but wonders if
the City sees it that way. John felt the clause would apply if the drainage changes, but can see a literal
interpretation leading to more restrictive enforcement. Julie suggests less is more. Lynette, in the end,
suggests keeping language as described – CEQC.
John also highlighted language about weeds, and sought CEQC input. Lynette suggests adding language
about invasive species. Julie and David are not concerned that current language would lead to neglectful
management by homeowners.
Lynette asked if “invasive” or “poisonous” or similar language should be included. Dan advised against
“poisonous” since it is ambiguous. David felt invasive could be open to interpretation.
Lynette made a motion to submit, Dan seconded. Passed unanimously. Dan asked for the next steps, which
would be Planning Commission? John stated that is his understanding.
5. Emerald Ash Borer Treatment Update:
John shared that the City Council voted against funding public ash tree treatments. Niki asked about
consideration for replacement and removal cost by the Council? John said this was not a major
consideration of the Council discussion. Niki wondered if there was any potential for the sustainability plan
to address ash trees. John felt the timing would be too late. Niki asked about the remaining number – John
said it was in the 900‐1200 range, with about 750 having been treated in the past.
Community Forestry Corps member Katie has done some research on ash tree valuation. She provided a
summary of the tree benefits of Sinclair and Windom Parks. Carbon sequestration is generally the largest
benefit.
6. Sustainability Planning Update:
John provided a summary of the current progress. The City received 5 proposals from technical consultants,
and the steering committee will be reviewing in the next week. The City intends to also hire an engagement
consultant to facilitate local outreach.
7. Other Business:
Lynette suggested the City help fund the Habitat Restore as a resource to utilize existing materials.
Recommends expanded hours to make it more user friendly. Saves a ton of material. Dan skeptical that the
Restore would want additional government influence, suggests Lynnette talk with Habitat. Lynette sees it as
needing to go both way.
Julie noted the Broadway road diet is likely being discussed at the next Council meeting.
John shared that the grant for the prairie restoration was accepted, and he will be taking a land disturbance
permit to the planning commission.
8. Adjournment: Meeting adjourned at 6:00 pm. Motion by David, second by Dan. Approval unanimous.
Notes prepared by John Howard.
CITIZENS ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMITTEE
AGENDA ITEM: 3. Community Garden Planning Update
PREPARED BY: John Howard
DATE: February 4, 2021
Staff liaison John Howard met with Park and Recreation department staff after the January
CEQC meeting to discuss community garden options and to relay the CEQC’s thoughts on
both the need for and suitable locations of additional gardens. Park and Recreation staff will
join the meeting to continue the discussion. They will be able to answer questions about why
some locations will not be feasible, other necessary steps to create a community in other
areas, and provide information on the edible landscape concept for the proposed Community
Center.
The East Rec. Community Garden will be back for 2021.
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