City Council
Regular MeetingWoodstock, IL · July 9, 2020
Minutes
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WOODSTOCK CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
City Council Chambers
July 9, 2020
A special workshop meeting of the Woodstock City Council was called to order at 3:00 PM on
Thursday, July 9, 2020, by Mayor Sager in the Council Chambers at Woodstock City Hall. Mayor
Sager noted this is a special workshop session of the Woodstock City Council to discuss an
enhanced street maintenance program. This meeting is being held under the Governor’s
Emergency Declaration with Council members attending remotely and those attending at City Hall
observing social distancing. Noting there are no members of the public attending the meeting in
person, he explained the procedures to be used by the City Council, City Staff, and the Public to
join today’s meeting.
A roll call was taken.
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Mayor Brian Sager.
COUNCIL MEMBERS ATTENDING REMOTELY: Darrin Flynn, Lisa Lohmeyer, Wendy
Piersall, Jim Prindiville, Gordon Tebo, and Michael Turner.
COUNCIL MEMBERS ABSENT: None
STAFF PRESENT: City Manager Roscoe Stelford, Assistant City Manager/Finance Director
Paul Christensen, Communications/Grant Manager Terry Willcockson, and City Clerk Cindy
Smiley.
STAFF ATTENDING REMOTELY: Public Works Director Jeff Van Landuyt, IT Director Dan
McElmeel, and City Engineer Chris Tiedt.
OTHERS PRESENT: None
OTHERS ATTENDING REMOTELY: Ryan Livingston representing HLR.
Mayor Sager noted the presence of a quorum under the revised rules of the Governor during this
COVID-19 emergency. City Clerk Smiley confirmed the agenda before the Council is a true and
correct copy of the published agenda.
FLOOR DISCUSSION
A. Public Comments
There were no comments forthcoming from the Public.
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B. Council Comments
In response to a question from Councilwoman Piersall, Mayor Sager stated there were no minutes
from the July 19, 2020 City Council meeting in the packet for approval, noting they will be on the
agenda of the next regular meeting.
Mayor Sager thanked all involved in the three exceptional events recently held in Woodstock.
He thanked Staff from the Opera House, Public Works, and the Police Department for the
exceptional job they did in organizing and setting up the two recent band concerts so the public
may safely attend and enjoy these events.
Mayor Sager noted the Fireworks were extremely successful, expressing pride in the community
members and City Staff who put this event together. He acknowledged the Public Works
Department, Police Department, Explorer Scouts, Cheryl Wormley, Mark Indyke, Jim Campion
and all of the donors who made this possible. Mayor Sager especially acknowledged and thanked
the Parks Division for their work on the event.
There were no comments further forthcoming from the City Council.
IV. CONSENT AGENDA
There were no questions or comments from the Public or the City Council.
Motion by M. Turner, second by D. Flynn, to approve the Consent Agenda as follows:
B. Warrants #3911 #3912
A roll call vote was taken. Ayes: D. Flynn, L. Lohmeyer, W. Piersall, J. Prindiville, G. Tebo,
M. Turner, and Mayor B. Sager. Nays: none. Abstentions: none. Absentees: none. Motion
carried.
V. DISCUSSION
A. Enhanced Streets Program – 2021-2024 - Financing
Mayor Sager stated Staff has worked diligently on this report. He noted the City Council has met
and Staff has held many meetings to talk about how the City will pay off this essential program
which will get the City ahead of this significant gulf with the challenges presented by the economy.
Noting the work that is going on now, Mayor Sager stated the City now needs to look to the future
of the program. He asked Mr. Stelford for a brief report.
Mr. Stelford thanked Staff, specifically the Public Works team of Jeff Van Landuyt and Chris
Tiedt and Assistant City Manager/Finance Director Paul Christensen, for their work to find the
best approach for this project and extended kudos and thanks to Ryan Livingston, who also worked
so hard on this. He stated Council has been provided with a lot of information to make this
important decision.
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Mr. Stelford said when Council met to discuss this issue a few months ago, COVID-19 had not
taken place, noting how some, but not all, of the effects of this are known. He stated there is no
way to do this aggressive program without some form of tax increase.
Mr. Stelford reminded those present that Council focused on a few scenarios at the last meeting,
noting Staff has expanded Scenario E with some additional options. He stated information will be
presented today on property tax and other revenue options.
Stating Council is very much aware of the long history of this issue, Mayor Sager stated this brings
the City to the point where it must decide how to move forward. He stated the City now knows
the budget is being impacted by COVID-19, but does not know the entire impact and cannot predict
that, opining Council must be cognizant of that. Mayor Sager stated Council knows the City is
looking at a significant investment of another $40 to $50 million before it can get to the point
where there are good quality streets and a plan for maintenance for the future. Noting Council
requested further information on Options C, D, and E, Mayor Sager stated Staff has prepared that
information to provide Council with a better understanding of those options. He stated within
these are additional parameters to understand including initial cost, cost of future maintenance,
timelines, and the impact in terms of water and sewer and other infrastructure.
Mr. Stelford provided additional information on the options mentioned by Mayor Sager. He stated
at some point in time roads drop to the next condition category, which makes it more expensive to
repair them. He stated in Option C, the City would spend money in the last possible year before
streets drop into the next category. He stated this would front-load the money, but reduces future
liabilities.
Mr. Stelford stated Option D focuses on a set dollar amount, $50 million, which would move the
City forward very well. He stated there would be a certain set threshold of $10 million per year in
bonds, noting Mr. Christensen researched this and found it will not save as much money as first
thought. He stated the City would borrow $10 million per year for five years, providing a table
depicting what this would look like.
Mr. Stelford stated Option E focuses on a revenue-driven approach and the maximum revenue that
could be generated for roads. He stated the idea is to give Council the idea of what progress can
be made if the focus is on property taxes and how much money could be generated using this as
the determination for the debt load. He noted debt would be issued over the 10-year period to
enhance the spending program determined by using a percentage increase in the property taxes
levied on City properties. He stated Staff also looked at how water rates would be impacted by
these improvements, noting capital improvements to the water and sewer lines would have to be
made when the roads are improved. He stated the number in the report is an estimate, noting it
could fluctuate, explaining this further.
Noting the report used a 1.7% property tax increase, Councilman Tebo asked what the average
PTELL tax increase is. Mr. Stelford responded this varies, but on average it is a bit higher over a
10-year period, about 1.9 to 2%. Councilman Tebo noted the proposal is on the low end of the
average PTELL each year.
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Councilman Turner noted under the scenario that calls for a 1.7% property tax increase, a future
Council would have to decide if it would increase PTELL. In response to a question from
Councilman Turner, Mr. Stelford stated Council would still have the option to take PTELL if
property taxes were increased by 1.7%, noting this gives Council flexibility year to year. In
response to other questions, Mayor Sager stated Council can design this revenue as a set property
tax increase for a number of years. He talked about the various options of taxes and fees as well
as property tax and PTELL. He noted this Council can say that is the direction it wishes to go, but
future Councils will have to approve this moving forward. Mr. Christensen stated Council would
be looking at extending the property tax for the term of the bond until reaching maturity of if it is
abated, with Mr. Stelford explaining how and why this could be abated.
Councilman Turner stated in real terms the property tax would go up by 1.7% of whatever the rate
is. Mr. Stelford noted this is driven by the EAV. In response to a question from Councilman
Turner, Mr. Christensen stated a property owner’s taxes would go up 1.7% of what was paid the
previous year. Councilman Turner confirmed this would be a 1.7% increase only on the City’s
portion of the tax bill. He stated as much as he hates property taxes, he pays the City of Woodstock
very little in terms of his entire tax bill for all the services the City provides. He stated Council
must recognize the needs of the streets and the way to pay for it.
Councilwoman Piersall inquired about the impact this would have on the City’s credit rating,
whether it would impact the City’s current debt. Mr. Stelford replied it would impact future debt
only. In response to further questions from Councilwoman Piersall, Mr. Christensen stated Staff
factored debt that is maturing in future years into their analysis. Mayor Sager opined this could
result in a rating downgrade of one level at most, which could increase interest a bit, but will not
put the City in a questionable situation because the City of Woodstock’s ratings are quite strong.
Councilman Turner asked if there are any other projects where the City would need to be able to
issue $5 to $10 million in debt over the next couple of years, such as downtown development,
stating he would not want to be constrained. Mayor Sager stated the City’s debt capacity is quite
good. Mr. Stelford agreed, referring Council to a table in the packet which addressed this. Brief
discussion followed of the community’s debt load, including District 200, with Mayor Sager
opining this is not of concern to him.
Mr. Livingston walked everyone through the various scenarios. He stated Option C will spend
enough money every year on those streets that will prevent a drop into a lower category. He noted
this option has the largest capital outlay early on and tapers off at the end. He stated all options
are comparable at the end of 10 years. He stated Option C has the most dramatic impact on future
liability at the end of the program. He talked about the projected water/sewer improvements
needed, stating the City should make sure it is improving those utilities so it will not be necessary
to go back and dig up the streets to do them. He stated this is a snapshot at that point in time of
what it would cost to replace the infrastructure. Mr. Livingston also talked about the impact a one-
year deferment would have on this, opining it would not be much.
Mr. Livingston stated with Option D the City would be spending a specific amount, noting it also
has a high investment in the beginning and then has a consistent annual maintenance budget. He
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noted with this option there will still be some failing streets, so there will be a higher future
liability.
Mr. Livingston stated Option E is the opposite starting out at a lower annual budget and increasing
over time. He stated by 2029 through 2031, this Option will catch up to the other scenarios,
spending enough money for annual improvements and keeping streets from dropping.
Mr. Livingston then talked about the differences between a 1.7% and a 2.0% property tax increase,
how this would change the program, and what can be done with the various percentages of
increases, including how total expenditures and future liabilities would be affected.
In response to a question from Councilman Turner, Mr. Stelford confirmed with Option E how
much that can be done is driven by the amount of revenue, while with the other scenarios Council
determines what it wishes to be done and then must figure out how to raise enough revenue for
that.
Mayor Sager opined property taxes must be increased if Council wishes to pursue an enhanced
streets program with the question being how that will be done and at what level. He stated Council
must determine what is probable and whether that can be done and get the streets done right away.
Mr. Livingston stated Option E would not improve anything drastically until 2028.
Councilman Turner opined this is important if Council is talking about bonds. He stated he is
willing to discuss Option E, but feels Option D should be on the table as well.
Mr. Livingston talked about the PCI and future liabilities with all options. Mayor Sager stated
people would like to get things done as quickly as possible. He stated money can be spent up front
and people will see that, but then will see that the City will have to spend more money at the end
of the program. He opined people will appreciate taking a more gradual approach that insures a
more stable process within a ten-year period.
Councilwoman Piersall stated she favors Option C as it would be less money spread out over a
longer period of time and would ultimately be $20 million less in future liabilities at the end.
Councilman Turner stated he is leaning toward Option E, but has not ruled out Options C & D,
noting he would like to know how these would be paid for. Mr. Christensen noted Option C has
a lot of up-front funding and that D is really a smoothed-out approach of Option C.
Mayor Sager said he would like a comparison of Options C & D and would like to get a sense of
Council’s preference between these two options.
In response to Councilman Tebo’s questions concerning revenue needed for Option C and what
property tax increase would be needed for that, Mr. Christensen went over revenues, presenting a
table showing the various property tax increases that would be needed for each scenario and the
resultant PCI ratings, noting these are estimates. He then showed the various water and sewer rate
increases needed for each scenario and what the property tax dollar amounts would be for each
scenario based on a $200,000 home.
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Councilwoman Piersall noted there is a 5% difference between these for the same money, so
Option C would result in the same PCI for the same money. Councilman Turner noted this would
also be for $20 million less. He stated the question is would a taxpayer pay $10 more per month
to get the streets done sooner. He opined this is a sensitive issue especially with what is going on
with the schools. Mr. Christensen discussed other methods of funding, including imposition of a
Utility Tax, describing its effects on large and small businesses.
Mayor Sager stated this has given Council more of a sense of potential financing as far as property
taxes are concerned and of what the impact to this might be. He asked Staff if there is an evaluation
between Options C & D from a finance perspective and a practical perspective.
Mr. Stelford stated financially the more that can be done earlier the better, but the more the
taxpayers will be asked to pay. He noted overall the community has weathered COVID-19 pretty
well, so if the City can support Option C and if that is supported by the public, it would be the
most cost effective and the quickest. He stated the downside is raising the revenue.
Mr. Livingston stated Option C would have the greatest impact. He opined Option C is the best
option, but if that is not possible he would say one of the variations of Option E would be better.
Mr. Van Landuyt agreed with Mr. Livingston, noting some of the streets that are done upfront with
Options C & D will need additional work in 20 years. He noted with all scenarios the City will be
increasing revenue for streets. He noted people will see and feel the improvements with Options
C & D, where this will take more time with Option E.
Mayor Sager asked Council’s opinions if looking only at Options C & D.
Councilman Turner expressed support of Option C stating he prefers an immediate impact, opining
the overall property tax impact on a $200,000 house is not that large. He stated the City is coming
out of COVID-19, noting prior to the pandemic, Council has been trying to grow the City and
opining the streets are a big part of that.
Councilman Flynn expressed support for Option C, stating people need to see results. He opined
the overall cost is not that bad and is less expensive in the long run.
Councilwoman Lohmeyer favored Option D, opining it still would have major influences on the
street conditions the first few years, but would spread costs out a bit better.
Councilman Prindiville favored Option D, opining the City does not need to be as aggressive as
Option C. He expressed concern with Option C being very dependent upon engineering and
construction and has a lot of unknowns.
Councilwoman Piersall expressed support for Option C, opining there are more benefits with this,
and it is a more fiscally-prudent decision, noting $20 million is a significant savings.
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Noting there will be a property tax increase, Councilman Tebo stated he would like to get things
done with a noticeable improvement quicker and, therefore, prefers Option C. He opined this
would be looked upon more favorably by the taxpayers as they would see results.
Mayor Sager expressed support of Option C. He asked for comments when comparing Options C
and E.
Councilman Turner stated he recognizes the concern with property taxes, but echoed Councilman
Tebo’s comments. He opined improving the streets sooner rather than later will attract and
enhance business. He also expressed agreement with Councilwoman Piersall’s comments, noting
Option C would save $20 million of the people’s money.
In response to Mayor Sager’s expressed concern about the need for future spending, Councilman
Turner asked if there are ways the schedule and expenditures can be adjusted to extend the life of
the streets over the 20-year period. He opined this is worth considering rather than having streets
in poor condition over the next decade. Councilwoman Piersall acknowledged the City would
have to come up with $20 million in the future, but also will be spending less over the next ten
years.
Mr. Stelford noted the City is setting itself up with future revenue sources, because the bonds will
expire, allowing the City to issue further debt if needed. He noted the City has learned a lot from
the Pavement Management Study, expressing the hope the streets will last longer. Mr. Livingston
noted funds for maintenance were included in his figures and were included in his projections. He
opined in 20 years some of the streets will hold up and some will need repairs, but the City will
still be saving money with a lesser amount required for streets and with making repairs in the next
five years rather than letting them fail.
Mayor Sager asked for Council’s opinion of Option C vs. Option E.
Councilman Flynn favored Option C.
Councilwoman Lohmeyer favored Option C, stating this was the #1 priority before COVID-19
and feels this is still the #1 priority. She opined Council must give the community a chance to see
the improvements in the streets.
Councilman Prindiville expressed support of Option E, opining the streets are a long-term
investment and stating he likes the steadiness of the revenue sources in Option E. He opined it
sets up a solid program, which will allow the community to develop in the future with new methods
of transportation.
Councilwoman Piersall and Councilman Tebo expressed support of Option C.
Mayor Sager expressed concern about the unknowns of COVID-19 expenses and the capacity to
meet these. He stated he is also concerned about the practicality of the capacity of imposing taxes.
He stated he also does not take the imposition of taxes lightly, noting Council has tried to be
responsive to the residents concerning taxes. He stated the City’s streets have been identified as a
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top priority of the Council, noting this must be upheld and addressed. Mayor Sager stated he
appreciates the emphasis and benefits of getting this done quicker rather than later, noting he does
not like the idea of prolonging things. He stated he is not fully convinced the City has the ability
to do this quicker up front, but also supports Option C, noting this is the feeling of the majority of
the Council. Mayor Sager stated he needs to get a better sense of how the City is going to pay for
this, asking how Council feels about deferring this program for the first year.
Councilman Tebo supported deferring the program for a year, noting people are still figuring out
what the world will be like and opining much more will be known in a year. He stated he does not
wish to add to the stress level.
Councilwoman Piersall stated it costs less to defer a year, opining there are so many unknowns.
She supported deferring the program a year.
Councilman Prindiville supported deferring the program a year, opining this will give the City a
chance to learn more, gather more information, and understand the financial impacts of COVID-
19.
Councilwoman Lohmeyer did not support deferring the program noting many people are now
working from home and not traveling so much. She opined the City could take advantage of less
people on the roads.
Councilman Flynn did not support deferring the program, opining it would mean spreading the
increase over four years rather than five. He opined the community needs to see immediate results.
Councilman Turner did not support deferring the program. He stated he understands the caution
surrounding COVID-19, but stated he has more concern about other governmental entities. He
expressed concern that one year will become two years, stating if the program is deferred, he would
prefer a commitment to look at it in six months. Councilman Turner stated he likes the boldness
of Option C.
In response to a request from Mayor Sager regarding a one-year deferment, Mr. Livingston talked
about the impact, noting there may be a slight increase in cost, but also a potential cost savings on
construction. Mr. Christensen stated he is also concerned about the unknowns of COVID-19,
opining more will be known six months from now.
Mayor Sager stated it appears Council will not take action today. He requested Staff look at this
again, with emphasis only on Option C and alternate financing packages that could be used for
this. He stated Council will look at this and discuss at another workshop to be held in two months
to get a better sense of how they might wish to look at a combination of revenue sources that will
make this program possible before making a final decision.
In response to a question from Councilwoman Lohmeyer as to what point in this year Council
must make a decision if the program is going to move ahead in 2021, Mayor Sager stated by the
end of the year. Mr. Stelford noted Council has authorized engineering costs for Option C. Mr.
Van Landuyt stated bidding should be done by the end of the year. He stated the City is moving
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forward with an enhanced program for 2020, and Staff is assessing the streets and setting schedules
for future years. Mr. Livingston stated final plans for the $50 million worth of work have been
developed, noting priorities will need to be decided based upon Council’s decision. He opined the
sooner they know about a deferment the better. Mr. Christensen stated the property tax levy, which
is in December, drives the decision.
Mayor Sager stated December is the deadline for a decision to move ahead in 2021 opining it
should be done by the last meeting in November or the first meeting in December. He noted the
decision most likely would be to choose Option C and whether to proceed in 2021 or defer for one
year. He stated he wishes to make sure everyone understands the funding alternatives.
Councilman Turner stated he would like to see a list of the roads to be done and would like Staff
to refine with more detail as to the property tax costs to various houses and alternative ways to
supplement this. He stated he would also like to see metrics every couple of months as to what is
being affected by COVID-19 generally and specific to this discussion, so by the November
meeting Council has a sense of what has been going on and any need to refine the plan.
Councilman Tebo stated he would like to see a breakdown of what percentage is going to be spent
on roads from what sources such as the local MFT, state MFT, etc.
Mayor Sager expressed appreciation for everyone’s input. He asked Council to acknowledge the
work of Mr. Stelford, Mr. Christensen, Mr. Van Landuyt, Mr. Tiedt, and Mr. Livingston, especially
in the midst of everything else that is going on.
VI. ADJOURN
Motion by G. Tebo, second by L. Lohmeyer, to adjourn this special workshop meeting of the
Woodstock City Council to the next regular meeting to be held at 7:00 PM on Tuesday, July 21,
2020.
Ayes: D. Flynn, L. Lohmeyer, W. Piersall, J. Prindiville, G. Tebo, M. Turner, and Mayor B. Sager.
Nays: none. Abstentions: none. Absentees: none. Motion carried.
The meeting was adjourned at 5:00 PM.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy Smiley
City Clerk
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