City Council
Regular MeetingWoodstock, IL · May 31, 2022
Minutes
MINUTES
WOODSTOCK CITY COUNCIL
May 31, 2022
City Council Chambers
A Special Meeting of the Woodstock City Council was called to order at 4:30 PM on Tuesday,
May 31, 2022 in the Council Chambers at Woodstock City Hall by Mayor Michael Turner. The
meeting was noticed 48 hours in advance as required by the Open Meetings Act. In addition, all
City Council members were notified 48 hours in advance, as were any media requesting
notification, as required by the Open Meetings Act. Mayor Turner explained the Consent Calendar
process, invited public participation, and noted, as is the City’s policy, this meeting is being live
streamed with a recording archived should members of the public wish to view it in the future.
A roll call was taken.
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Darrin Flynn, Lisa Lohmeyer, Tom Nierman, Wendy Piersall
Bob Seegers, Jr., Gordon Tebo, and Mayor Michael Turner.
COUNCIL MEMBERS ABSENT: None.
STAFF PRESENT: City Manager Roscoe Stelford, City Attorney Ruth Schlossberg, Deputy City
Manager/Executive Director of Strategy & Planning Paul Christensen, Executive Director of
Business Development Danielle Gulli, Executive Director of Operations Christina Betz, Deputy
Director of Public Works Brent Aymond, Economic Development Director Garrett Anderson, City
Planner Darrell Moore, Business & Community Development Manager Krista Coltrin, Grants
Manager Terry Willcockson, and City Clerk Cindy Smiley.
City Clerk Smiley confirmed the agenda is a true and correct copy of the published agenda.
III. FLOOR DISCUSSION
A. Presentation – HR Green – Route 47 Landscaping Plan
Ted Hamilton of HR Green was present in the Council Chambers with Phil Stupfert, Landscape
Planner, and Akrim Chaudry, Vice-President, attending telephonically to present the proposed
Landscaping Plan for Rt. 47 as it relates to the upcoming IDOT improvements.
Mayor Turner noted this item has been in discussions for 8 to 10 years, stating now options for
landscaping and lighting are being presented for Council’s consideration.
Mr. Stelford stated the proposed cost is $6.4 million, which is within the budgeted amount previously
discussed.
Mayor Turner noted prior City Councils gave the direction that the body was interested in looking
at something substantial and attractive, and this was Council’s opportunity to make important
decisions for the future of this major artery.
Mr. Stupfert noted HR Green made a presentation to the City Council in January of 2021 with
conceptual drawings and high-level budget numbers for the project, stating since that time the firm
has put in a lot of work on the project, including working with IDOT on the design. He stated after
getting much more information from IDOT, today’s presentation provides more detailed plans and
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up-to-date costs. Mr. Stupfert noted at this time the project is within budget, but stated the true story
will be told when bids are received back.
In response to Mayor Turner’s comment that Council is not making a final decision at this meeting,
Ms. Betz noted plans need to be provided to IDOT by mid-July, so the final decision should be made
by Council at the June 21st City Council meeting.
Mr. Stupfert than made a presentation on the IL RT 47 Streetscape Design Update. He noted the
City has placed emphasis on the character and identity of the Woodstock Square, stating prominent
design elements from the Square will be used across the Rt. 47 corridor. He showed a depiction of
the route to be improved, including the location of medians, roundabouts, and intersections. He then
showed depictions and the cost of the amenities to be located in these areas, including special
paving/stamped concrete, landscape materials, irrigation, and lighting.
Mr. Chaudry noted ITEP grants will be coming in August, stating HR Green will work with the City
to prepare the application to pursue this funding for landscaping and lighting. Brief discussion
ensued of the timing of the grant award and how this would affect Council’s timeline and decision.
Ms. Betz and Mr. Chaudry agreed it would be difficult for Council to change its decision based upon
the grant because of timing, should IDOT wish to open bids in 2023 with Mr. Chaudry stating HR
Green would try to help scale back the plan should the City not receive the grant. Mr. Hamilton
stated it is still IDOT’s plan to award bids in the summer of 2023, but noted this is based on funding
and having all permits in place, which could change.
In response to a question from Mayor Turner, Ms. Betz opined the City cannot take the risk on it
being later than 2023 and must get all information to IDOT in a timely manner. She stated she will
look into whether postponing the project until 2024 would increase the chance of receiving grant
funding. Mayor Turner expressed his wish that the project moves forward soon, but stated if waiting
until 2024 to do the project would enhance the City’s ability to get grant funding, this should be
considered, asking Staff to get more information.
Mr. Chaudry stated HR Green will apply for the grants and submit everything required to make the
date, noting if the project is delayed it will be because IDOT does not get the right of way, which
neither the City nor HR Green have control over.
Mayor Turner opened the floor for Council discussion.
In response to questions from Councilman Tebo, Mayor Turner and Mr. Chaudry agreed the amount
of grant funding is unknown at this time, with Mr. Chaudry stating it will not be for the entire amount
of the project, as there is a City match required. Mr. Christensen stated the City has set aside $1.6
million of allocated funds which came from the State. Mr. Stelford stated $5.7 million has been
built into the CIP budget for the project.
Noting the Calhoun intersection has not been identified in the Plan for enhancement, Councilwoman
Piersall noted the Council previously identified the Lake and Calhoun intersections as the two points
of interest. Expressing her concern, she stated she would at least like to see stamped concrete
sidewalks at that intersection. Discussion of this ensued, including a pedestrian crossing at this
location. Mr. Stupfert stating it is possible there was not enough room in that area for the amenities.
Mayor Turner asked that taking the decorative lighting down to Calhoun be investigated as vehicular
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traffic will use that street to access the Square. Mr. Stelford opined that IDOT would not support
the installation of a mid-block pedestrian crossing at Calhoun Street. Mayor Turner stated there will
be a crosswalk at Country Club where there is a stop light, noting there is not a stop light at Calhoun.
Councilwoman Piersall requested clarification of what will be done at the Calhoun intersection. Ms.
Betz stated HR Green has provided a full preliminary design set, which will be provided to the City
Council for these two areas.
Councilman Nierman expressed concern with the cost of the project suggesting cost-saving changes
be made, such as a reduction in the amount of stamped concrete and revisions to the plantings. Mr.
Hamilton noted IDOT’s original plan included stamped concrete which would be at their cost.
In response to a question from Councilwoman Lohmeyer, Mr. Stupfert described the maintenance
that will be needed for the stamped concrete five to ten years in the future. He stated in addition,
the decorative light poles will need to be painted at some point in the future.
In response to questions from Councilman Seegers, Mr. Hamilton clarified the costs, including those
borne by the City and by IDOT and the cost of the proposed upgrades. Mayor Turner noted IDOT
is not proposing lighting the entire corridor which would be at the City’s cost. Discussion of this
followed with Councilman Seegers opining it would be reasonable to use standard lighting along the
corridor outside the roundabouts to save money.
Councilman Flynn suggested using groundcover rather than sod or grass to save money. Noting the
area will be irrigated, Mr. Stupfert described past efforts to use different types of plantings.
Councilman Flynn requested that the cost and possible use of a spreading groundcover be
investigated. Councilman Flynn expressed support of using decorative lighting at the roundabouts
and standard lighting in other areas as long as they would support banner attachments. Concerning
stamped concrete, Councilman Flynn stated he would have to see a budget for maintenance.
In response to questions from Councilwoman Piersall, discussion ensued of the roundabout
monuments and their budget. Mr. Stupfert noted there is not a specific budget for the actual
monuments and gateway signage, explaining the estimated cost was included in the 2021 preliminary
presentation, but is not included in this Plan. He estimated a suggested budget of $30,000 to $50,000
per monument.
In response to Councilman Tebo’s suggestion, Mayor Turner agreed perhaps the Calhoun
intersection should be dressed up with decorative lighting.
Councilman Tebo stated he would prefer trees and flowers rather than shrubs.
Mayor Turner stated the purpose of this project is to improve traffic and the look and feel of
Woodstock. He stated he would like to see the budget reduced by $1 million or $2 million, agreeing
the amount of stamped concrete could be reduced and asking that additional examples be provided
to the Council. He stated the corridor needs to be lighted from north to south because it will improve
the look, with decorative lighting at the main intersections and possibly Calhoun and Country Club.
Concerning landscaping, Mayor Turner stated he likes the appearance of the rock bed with a tree
and does not wish to see weeds or the need for a lot of maintenance or tree replacement. He
suggested reducing costs from a maintenance and green perspective and spending money on lighting.
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In response to a question from Councilman Seegers, Ms. Betz stated the next presentation will
include estimated maintenance costs.
The City Council expressed support of Mayor Turner’s suggestion of $4.5 million to $5.5 million as
a target cost for the project.
Mayor Turner opened the floor to Public Comment.
Darrell Moore, Woodstock resident, urged that the lighting be kept downward, opining upward
lighting would not be appropriate on Rt. 47.
Krista Coltrin, Arts Commission Liaison, reminded Council the Arts Commission is looking at the
roundabouts for arts installations, which may provide an opportunity to reduce landscaping in those
areas.
Mayor Turner thanked the HR Green representatives for their presentation.
B. Public Comments
There were no comments forthcoming from the Public.
C. Council Comments
Councilwoman Piersall requested that “Turtle Crossing” signs be placed in appropriate areas.
Mayor Turner thanked Ms. Gulli for arranging for the recent Northwest Quarterly article which
featured Woodstock.
CONSENT AGENDA
Motion by D. Flynn, second by L. Lohmeyer, to approve the Consent Agenda.
In response to a question from Mayor Turner, the following item was removed from the Consent
Agenda at the request of Council or the Public:
Item C-2 – Ordinance/Resolution – Old Courthouse Lease/RLF – KATLO, Inc. by Councilman
Seegers.
In response to a question from Mayor Turner, there were no questions or comments forthcoming
from the Council or the Public regarding items remaining on the Consent Agenda.
Mayor Turner affirmed the Consent Agenda to include items A through C-3, with the exception of
item C-2, as follows:
A. APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL MINUTES
May 17, 2022 City Council Meeting
B. WARRANTS: 4005 4006
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C. MANAGER'S REPORT NO. 204:
1. Ordinance – Old Courthouse Lease – Ethereal Confection
Approval of Ordinance 22-O-29, identified as Document 1, An Ordinance Authorizing
a Lease Agreement Between the City of Woodstock and E3 Artisan, Inc. for the Lease
of Third Floor Space in the Old Courthouse and Second and Third Floor Spaces in the
Sheriff’s House at 202 S. Johnson Street, subject to the inclusion of any final changes
to the Lease Agreement that are approved by the City Manager.
3. Resolution –Benton Street Mural Artist Agreement
Approval of Resolution 22-R-15, identified as Document 4, A Resolution Authorizing
an Agreement for Mural Installation Between the City of Woodstock and Mauricio
Ramirez to allow creation of the selected artistic mural image on the exterior wall of
220 N. Benton Place.
A roll call vote was taken. Ayes: D. Flynn, L. Lohmeyer T. Nierman, W. Piersall, B. Seegers,
G. Tebo, and Mayor M. Turner. Nays: none. Abstentions: none. Absentees: none. Motion
carried.
Item C-2 – Ordinance/Resolution – Old Courthouse Lease/RLF – KATLO, Inc.
Councilman Seegers read the following statement for the record:
”I did not nor could I support this decision as I feel there wasn’t any way I could look a taxpayer
in the eye and tell them I believe this is a good decision and use of city funds. Therefore, I will
vote no on this issue. So let’s look at the economics of this decision.
In my opinion, the city had a visible alternative to this issue. The city did not have to remodel the
Public House restaurant space at this time and simply continue with the lease in hand. The 2014
lease agreed to, and was satisfactory to both parties in the space’s current form, included extension
provisions through 2029. One very specific term of the original restaurant lease from 2014
contained a provision allowing the city to modify the current leased space to accommodate the
future courthouse remodeling which the tenants agreed and accepted. Had we simply continued
with that lease, the city would have largely negated the need to pay for approximately five months
restaurant closure as well as the rent abatements granted. Additionally, by deferring the restaurant
remodeling until the end of the original lease, the city would have saved approximately $196,000
in bond interest expense on top of the $700K cost estimate of the remodel between now and the
end of the existing lease in 2029. Another, more simple justification to not remodel the space
originates from my business background. An investor or owner of a property would not spend any
substantial capital improvement money on a well operating asset without an increase in revenue
to justify the expense. In the city’s case here, between the cost of the remodel, payment for the
restaurant closure, abatements and bond debt interest on the improvement, the city will have over
$1,300,000 in new investments on this space alone. The lease payment revenues offered to us to
vote on today are virtually no different then (sic) the original 2014 lease revenue currently in place
Therefore, the city is spending an additional $1.3 plus million for no discernable return on this
expenditure.
The most commonly used arguments against my opinion consisted of; (sic)
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• “We are building the Taj Mahal around a mobile trailer”
• “We should just finish the whole building now while construction is in progress”
• “We will risk losing the courthouse historical building tax credits”
• “The Cost will be higher in 2029”
In my opinion, the only of these arguments that can’t be negated with valid economic justification
is the Taj Mahal argument, and my disagreement with this I support by the fact that both parties
were satisfied enough to engage at the 2014 lease execution.
Had this body not waited until now to act in the best interest of the city, we would have eliminated
making the decision being made today out of fear of risking the tax credits. Prior council decisions,
election of a new council & mayor and miscommunication by all parties involved, all contributed
to burning of time. That time wasted attempting to negotiate a new lease and rent abatements,
when neither were necessary, is what allowed fear to motivate this decision and outcome.
The most troublesome consequence of the decision to abate, pay for closure, remodel and finance
this project is that it is diminishing city funds that are needed and more valuable to the city as a
whole in numerous other projects. Projects that would not only benefit a greater number of existing
taxpayers, but also improve both infrastructure and vibe of the city drawing even more outside
interest and value than this expense can or will ever deliver. Additionally, I’m disheartened that
we have elected to call the “shut down fee” a draw against a “Revolving Loan Agreement” which
is essentially a non-recourse loan. One could reasonably assume this carries the appearance of a
play on words to soften or mitigate the message. We should just call it what it is which is a payment
to interrupt a business.
There are many people incurring stress that I genuinely feel sorry for under the circumstance. That
starts with city staff, who originally took their direction from a prior council, then subsequently
from a new council and mayor with different capacities and opinions. Staff is very cautious about
not influencing council and committed to the task of solely addressing the council’s wishes.
Secondly, I feel sorry for the Public House having to have their business not only shut down, but
the cost of that made public when neither were necessary. Thirdly, my fellow council members.
No matter which way we went with this decision there was going to be fallout. A decision had to
be made by all that was going to generate taxpayer consternation and therefore questions with
expectations for logical answers. Finally, for all the financial reasons I referenced above, I feel
most sorry for the taxpayers of the city.
Finally, I offer my own apologies to the citizens of Woodstock as I envisioned this potential
outcome a year ago and failed to communicate well enough to my council peers to impact their
decisions. Opting to stay with the existing lease and to remodel a year ago would have easily
eliminated the fear of risking the tax credits that is driving this decision today. That being said,
I’m confident this will pass without my support; however, I recognize we are a body of one and
will continue to respect the position of the body as a whole. It’s my hope the citizens of Woodstock
appreciate the value of a body of seven people contributing various opinions despite knowing there
are times they don’t align.
Bob Seegers”
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Mayor Turner stated the nature of this body is to debate and deliberate and make decisions. He
stated he knows Councilman Seegers feels passionate about this issue as does he, opining Council
members have to have some passion for these things. He opined the members do this because they
value the opportunity to deliberate and debate and work with good people to make the best
decisions possible, going back to the very first decision to take over the building because it was
about to implode. Noting all decisions were met with some consternation, he stated they were
arrived at based upon debate and deliberation, stating the Councilmembers work to come to a
decision they feel is the best for the city and the best use of taxpayers’ dollars. He opined new
Council members are at a disadvantage of experience, but have the advantage of newness.
Mayor Turner stated he is completely comfortable with his “yes” votes for Ethereal and the Public
House, opining there are solid reasons to approve these items. He stated he is excited about this
and about moving beyond this phase and is proud of the outcome. He stated he respects everyone’s
opinions and vote.
In response to a question from Mayor Turner, there were no comments forthcoming from the
Public.
Motion by Mayor Turner, second by D. Flynn, to approve Ordinance 22-O-30, identified as
Document 2, An Ordinance Authorizing a Lease Agreement Between the City of Woodstock and
KATLO, Inc., for the Lease of First Floor Space in the Old Courthouse at 101 S. Johnson, subject
to the inclusion of any final changes to the lease agreement that are approved by the City Manager;
and approval of Resolution 22-R-16, identified as Document 3, A Resolution Authorizing a Loan
Agreement Between the City of Woodstock and KATLO, Inc., authorizing the Mayor and City Clerk
to execute the agreement and subject to the City Attorney’s final review and approval.
In response to a question from Mayor Turner, there were no comments or questions on the motion
forthcoming from the City Council or the Public.
A roll call vote was taken. Ayes: D. Flynn, L. Lohmeyer, T. Nierman, W. Piersall, G. Tebo, and
Mayor M. Turner. Nays: B. Seegers. Abstentions: none. Absentees: none. Motion carried.
V. DISCUSSION – T-Mobile Baseball Field Renovations
Ms. Betz stated this item was placed on the agenda to provide Council with an update on what
Staff has completed with T-Mobile regarding the upgrades to the City’s baseball fields.
Ms. Betz stated Staff went through a lot of options for all of the fields and met with T-Mobile
representatives to narrow down those options. She called attention to the table contained in the
Staff Report showing the options being considered, stating T-Mobile wished to identify the Little
League field for the City to get the best out of this opportunity and one where T-Mobile would get
the best opportunity for branding.
Ms. Betz stated Sullivan Field, which is a true Little League field, was chosen for a full renovation
and Dream Field, which is the City’s premier field, was also chosen for an upgrade, asking for
Council comments.
Noting he participated in the discussions due to his experience with sports, Mayor Turner stated
he hoped to find a way to turf Dream Field, but found this to be too expensive. He stated T-Mobile
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has a relationship with Little League which was the driver for this opportunity. He stated all fields
were discussed with Sullivan and Dream Field being targeted, noting the City needs a hybrid field,
making this a very good option for the City. Mayor Turner stated long term he would like to light
Dream Field, opining District 200 may be interested in this in the future. He stated other
enhancements may be possible with private fundraising efforts. He expressed support for Staff’s
recommendations.
In response to a question from Councilman Seegers, Ms. Betz confirmed drainage at both Sullivan
and Dream Field will be improved.
In response to a question from Mayor Turner, there were no comments or questions forthcoming
from the Public.
It was the consensus of the Council that Staff should move forward with the recommendation.
VI. EXECUTIVE SESSION
Mayor Turner stated the next item on the Agenda is an Executive Session for the purpose of
discussing Personnel – the appointment, employment, compensation, discipline, performance or
dismissal of specific employees of the public body, in this case specifically the City Manager’s
Employment Evaluation.
Motion by W. Piersall, second by G. Tebo, to adjourn to Executive Session for the purpose of
discussing:
Personnel (Open Meetings Act: 5ILCS 120/2(c)(1))
The appointment, employment, compensation, discipline, performance or dismissal of
specific employees of the public body, including hearing testimony on a complaint lodged
against an employee to determine its validity.
City Manager’s Performance Evaluation
A roll call vote was taken. Ayes: D. Flynn, L. Lohmeyer, T. Nierman, W. Piersall, B. Seegers,
G. Tebo, and Mayor M. Turner. Nays: none. Abstentions: none. Absentees: none. Motion
carried.
The Woodstock City Council adjourned to Executive Session at 6:20 PM.
RETURN TO OPEN SESSION
The City Council returned to Open Session at 8:29 PM.
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT: Darrin Flynn, Lisa Lohmeyer, Tom Nierman, Wendy Piersall
Bob Seegers, Jr., Gordon Tebo, and Mayor Michael Turner.
COUNCIL MEMBERS ABSENT: None.
STAFF PRESENT: City Manager Roscoe Stelford, City Attorney Ruth Schlossberg, and City
Clerk Cindy Smiley.
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VI. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS
Following a brief discussion, there were no additions, deletions, or corrections to the tentative
future Council agendas.
ADJOURN
Motion by D. Flynn, second by L. Lohmeyer, to adjourn this regular meeting of the Woodstock
City Council to the next regular meeting on Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 7:00 PM in the Council
Chambers at Woodstock City Hall. A roll call vote was taken. Ayes: D. Flynn, L. Lohmeyer,
T. Nierman, W. Piersall, B. Seegers, G. Tebo, and Mayor M. Turner. Nays: none. Abstentions:
none. Absentees: none. Motion carried.
The meeting was adjourned at 8:38 PM.
Respectfully submitted,
Cindy Smiley
City Clerk
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