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THE CITY OF Zanesville 401 Market Street • Zanesville, Ohio 43701 Council - Mayor Phone(740)617-4875 Government E-mail: council@coz.org Zanesville City Council Public Safety Committee Agenda Council Chambers, 401 Market Street, Zanesville, Ohio Monday, December 2, 2024 at 5:00 p.m. This meeting is open to the public to attend in person or remotely by using the information below. This meeting is for discussion pertaining to the upcoming Ordinances and discussion items of the Public Safety Committee for review as follows: 1. Roll Call 2. Approval of Minutes of November 4, 2024 Ordinances 3. None Discussion Items 4. Traffic Order 2024-07 The next regular meeting is scheduled for January 6, 2024. This meeting is open to the public who may attend in person or attend by phone or Internet using the information below. Phone 1-844-621-3956 US Toll Free or 1-415-655-0001 US Toll Use Access Code: 1267508098 # Online with WebEx - Enter zanesvillecity.webex.com in web browser. Enter Meeting Information 1267508098  PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING- MONDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 2024 The Public Safety Committee met at 5:00 p.m. on Monday, November 4, 2024 in Council Chambers at City Hall, 401 Market Street, Zanesville, Ohio. Mr. Ballmer: It is 5:00. Welcome to this meeting of the Zanesville Public Safety Committee. I call the meeting to order. May I have roll call, please? Committee members attending: Councilperson Mark Ballmer, Chair Councilperson Andrew Roberts Councilperson Joey Osborn Committee members absent: Councilperson Steven Foreman Others in attendance: Jeff Bell, Fire Chief Don Mason, Mayor Billie Corns, Clerk of Council Ted Norris, Firefighter Kade Haddox, Budget/Finance & Safety Director Matt Salmons, Firefighter Lisa Hittle, IT Dan Vincent, President of Council Roger Hobson, Assistant Fire Chief APPROVAL OF MINUTES-APRIL 1, 2024, MAY 6, 2024, AND JULY 1, 2024 Mr. Ballmer: Seeing that we have a quorum, I'll entertain a motion on the minutes from, and we have three months here to take care of, April 1, 2024; May 6, 2024; and July 1, 2024. I'll enterta in a motion to accept the minutes as recorded. Mr. Roberts: So moved. Mrs. Osborn: Second. Mr. Ballmer: All in favor say aye. Any opposed? A voice vote was taken with all present being in favor. None were opposed. Mr. Foreman was absent. Mr. Ballmer: Motion carries then. Thank you. Those minutes are all approved. RESOLUTIONS OR ORDINANCES Mr. Ballmer: We do not have any resolutions or ordinances. DISCUSSION ITEMS: Page 1 of 10 4. New Firetruck Mr. Ballmer: So we have one item on the agenda tonight, and it's the new firetruck that the Zanesville Fire Department is looking for in the near future. Just before I turn things over to Assistant Chief Hobson and let him make his presentation, just for committee and everyone here tonight. We started t his process several months ago, late February/March, sometime in that area. Kade and I have met with a group offiremen to work through everything to get us to this point because we didn't want this to get to the place where they just came to us out of the blue it seemed like. So we've been working and meeting. Assistant Chief Hobson is ready to make a presentation. Without any further ado, I' ll turn it over to you. Assistant Chief Hobson: All right, thank you. Gentlemen, ladies. At this time, Assistant Chief Hobson distributed a Zanesville Fire Department proposal for a Q-75' ladder/engine to councilmembers and administration. Assistant Chief Hobson: All right, what you'll find before you is we put together a proposal working with Sutphen out of Columbus, Mr. Harry Sutphen. We have done our due diligence on this truck. What we are looking for is a 75 foot mid mount ladder truck, being a single axle. Unfortunately, the company down on the river does not offer that. They only offer a rear mount, and we want to go with what we have bought recently, the 2004, and we're going to make it like an engine. On the front of it, your first page, you'll see where it says ladder/engine. The second page, you'll see what the actual engine should look like. That mid mount, you see where the operator's controls are right here at the panel. So it will extend out from the back. It will rotate 360 degrees. This ladder truck is kind of amazing. The one that we have now, for example, Toys for Tots, just went up and set the American flag up with it. Within three minutes, that truck was deployed. It only has two outriggers, so you don't have to do the two outriggers on the front and the back. So this has two outriggers, and it's a simple push of a button. It's golden. You can short jack this which means if we get up against a sidewalk, if we get up against a parked car, something in that nature. But being that mid mount, you're going to be able to see what you're doing with the cont rols. This will take the place of the engine at the North Station. And when I say take the place of t hat, this is going to be an engine because it has a 600 gallon tank. If you turn two more pages back, you'll notice on this sheet. The mid mounts have a low overall travel. They set a lot lower. And that's because that ladder is actually right behind the cab. So it gives a lot better maneuverability. In regards to that being a single axle, it also makes it just like an engine. Now, the engines that we have currently on 2 and 3, they have 750 gallon tan ks. This is going to have a 600 gallon tank. We were able to increase that to make it to be like an engine. So, in other words, we're going to have a fire engine at the North Station, and it's going to have more tools. It's going to be a bigger sandbox. So you're going to be able to pull up on scene three minutes. If you turn one more page, today I actually went out and took a bunch of photographs. So with this mid mount ladder, 75 foot, with fire doubling every minute once it's started, we are able to take this truck from the north end and hit areas like the high rise, hit areas like the Mapleview Terrace Apartments. Mapleview Terrace Apartments, we have had three structure fires within them. So we are able to take this mid mount, put it right to the window, and do a rescue just that quick. Whereas the ladder has got to come all the way out of downtown Central Station. So it makes it more convenient, makes another tool in the box, right? As you look at some of these pictures, recently the second picture at the top, we did have a fire in King Garden. That ladder would be able to pull right up front, put the ladder up to the top, over the parapet wall, and go right to the Page 2 of 10 exhaust system where they did have the fire, instead of waiting for the ladder truck to make that response time up to all the way up to the north end. Unfortunately, everybody here, including the Mayor, we love ODOT right now because of all of the traffic and situations that we have going on with the interstate. So, our t imes makes it tough. We just heard recently they're closing Sixth Street now, northbound I believe by the library. That's getting ready to close on Monday. So now that's going to take us to Underwood, and it's going to take us to Linden Avenue. So we want to make sure that we are able to do these rescues as quickly as possible of putting this ladder in a place for the North Station. A couple other ones that I have shown there is Lowe's with a parapet wall, the new carwash that's up north. If you haven't looked at the roofline on that new carwash, it's high. So you know what? We can put that ladder up. We get a hole cut in it, and we can start to save their business before it burns down. The next page that you see is going to be a diagram of the truck. One important thing that I want to ta lk about this truck is the very top of the page, if you look at the very back of the truck, you'll see where it says auxiliary discharge. Did everybody find that? That auxiliary discharge is very important for us because now th is truck, as I bring it to this window right here, there now is an inlet for me to take the hose pack that I've brought, hook it on, and I can now fight fire, and I can have water right there. So if we have a standpipe, an elevated standpipe right here at this window, water right away. Instead of having to come two to three stories up into a structure, we can put that right through the window, hook on our hoses, and we can fight fire. This is a real important feature that we got on this truck. Some of the cost savings that we did do for this truck, we did not in clude in a generator. But we did include an inverter for like all of our LED lighting, all the charging that we need to do with some of our equipment, which is battery-operated. We've gone to a lot of battery-operated equipment now. And we did not include a CAF system. This truck will still have the capabilities of spraying foam we'll say, but it doesn't have the air to it to make the bubbles even bigger. The next is the actual entire quote from Sutphen, and I will tell you that we have five members from the Zanesville Fire Department that have built trucks in the past, have done their due diligence as far as their research. I think Mr. Ted here has been on the internet and sending me text messages and emails about, we need this, we don't need this, we need this, we don't need that. So, all of them combined with the years of experience have done a great job in building this truck. Recently we were able to go up to Columbus and take a tour of the facility. I will tell you that th is facility is the only Ohio manufacturer of firetrucks. I'm not saying anything bad about the other manufacturer, but t hey are in Ohio, but their manufacturing process is in Maryland. This is a family-owned business in Columbus, employs 563 employees. Most of the material comes out of Ohio to build these trucks, and they're built from ground up. We saw every ounce of process. The cables that take the ladders in and out are actually from New Lex. So, 563 employees, family-owned business from 1890. So they've done their due diligence. I know I say that word a lot, but they have done that in making sure that these trucks are safe. In regards to walking through t he plant, we were able to see, like I said, from ground up. But the difference aspects that they've put into these firetrucks to keep our firefighters safe. And in regards to our public, like 360 cameras around the truck, a lot more safety features. The lighting has changed to make the lighting more important so people see t hem, or brighter I should say. With that being said, that's the entire line-by-line quote. Then you'll see the proposal. Now, the proposal list price you can see is $1,880,656.95, and then we get our discount on top of that for $1,739,196.28. I have included both of those quotes in this packet. Then on the back page, which I've had Page 3 of 10 several meetings with Kade, this is just a breakdown of different payment options that they have. Who they normally finance through is on your last page. So that's a little bit of the packet that I've put out for you. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about, like our travel time. So, I used Google today or Maps. So we'll say from Central Station downtown to Kellogg's. That's the place that I wanted to think of, you know, where are we going to have to take a ladder and set it up? So if we were to follow all of the traffic, which if you drive due regard, you' re not going to get there a whole lot faster than what a normal drive time is, especially with the traffic driving due regard. You know, stopping at traffic lights, watching for those people who all of a sudden want to turn left instead of going right . So it is 16 minutes from downtown, and it is 10 minutes from the North Station. So it is an additional 6 minutes of drive time, which having that ladder up there is very important, especially for like Kellogg's. That's a place t hat there are a lot of people employed. If we can put that elevated st ream to the second story of that building and possibly save some of their factory before something would happen. We've had multiple fire alarms out there, and we've had multiple hazardous situations out there. The other one I did is to Mapleview Terrace. Mapleview Terrace was 13 minutes from downtown, and 7 minutes from the North Station. We've had, like I said, three fires there. We are probably, and the Chief will tell you, very lucky in the last big one that we had that we didn't lose a life. The whole place filled with smoke. Handicap people first floor, second floor, third floor. It really makes it tough. But those travel times, just to show you, from 7 minutes to 13; that's a difference. The other thing I want to talk about is I talked to Mr. Sutphen. And again, we're not presenting this in a hurry, I would say, but what I do want you to know is talking with Mr. Sutphen, there is a possibility of a 6-8 percent increase after the first of the year. He did put that out and wanted to be completely honest and upfront with that. Kade Haddox: Which, we're not that concerned about. There's no time emergency. Mayor Mason: Isn't it amazing? They always give us a number and then shortly thereafter the numbers want to go up? Assistant Chief Hobson: So, ladies and gents, that's my presentation. Kade Haddox: I wanted you to touch on a couple things ... Assistant Chief Hobson: Yes. Kade Haddox: How vehicles will be moving from where they are in current stations and where they'll go once we have the new engine, as well as why we want the ladder for 15-20 year plan for backup vehicles. Mayor Mason: Plus, isn't this a dual capacity? Kade Haddox: It is. So, the last truck we bought was just an engine. Assistant Chief Hobson: Correct, a rescue. Kade Haddox: The difference is right now this has a ladder on it basically. Page 4 of 10 Assistant Chief Hobson: Correct. Kade Haddox: So, the cost addition of the ladder with the hose is about a half a million dollar difference, if I remember when we asked them. Assistant Chief Hobson: Yes, 1.2 versus 1.7. Kade Haddox: Roughly just so you know for the flexibility on that option . I'll let you speak to 20 years down the road. Obviously, we're going to have to have two backup ladders at some point, just like we just bought the 2004. So, if one is out of service, we always have a ladder. The ladder we have, what's the year on the other ladder we have? Assistant Chief Hobson: I' m not sure the year. Chief Bell: I was thinking it was a '13. Kade Haddox: I think that's right. I want to say about 10 years old. So eventually that will be ou r reserve ladder, and this will be our primary. Assistant Chief Hobson: And then it all goes in coordination also with ISO ratings. Our insu rance ratings, to keep our insurance ratings down for the City of Zanesville. Most departments are 3-4. With equipment that we have, the things that we have done, the training, the inspections, and the manpower that we've put into it, we're a 2. A lot of departments don't reach a 2. But in order to stay at that 2, we need to make sure we have a backup aerial device. Now, what will happen with Engine 3, or excuse me, Quint 3, when it comes into play going into Station 3. Station 3's truck will move to Engine 2. It's 3 years newer. So it would go down south and then depending on the timeline of the delivery of Engine 1, we can keep Engine 2 as a reserve until the other Engine 1 gets back. But one of those engines as through talking down the road, one of those engines will be sold. We'll still have Quint, the 2004 Quint that we just bought. But that will be an aerial backup which again keeps our ISO ratings at a 2. Mayor Mason: And I had inquired with the Chief about this a few months ago, to me the courthouse is the one building in the downtown that absolutely is irreplaceable. Not only because of its historic nature but because of the records that are there. So my question is, are we losing anything by having this out north instead of down here? Assistant Chief Hobson: No, because we have the 100 foot aerial downtown. Mayor Mason: Okay. Assistant Chief Hobson: So, the 100 foot aerial will deploy quickly. The benefit is now we have another aerial because if you remember the Masonic Temple fire, we had four aerials in the air. So guess what? Now we have two aerials of our own and a backup if needed to where we can actually deploy three aerial devices for a courthouse fire, for a Masonic Temple fire. Mr. Ballmer: Questions from the Committee? Mr. Roberts? Page 5 of 10 Mr. Roberts: So, Kade, Doug, or whoever wants to take this, first off thank you guys for bringing t his up to us early. We really do appreciate that. We'd rather deal with it this way than t ransverse. Which route, I' m just looking at the financials here, which rout e were you guys pushing towards? What term? And then I saw on the Republic quote, there was some mention of a lease payment due. Is it a lease to purchase through them or? Kade Haddox: So, ignore the Republic quot e. I haven't gone out with my own finance people to see what they'll offer. This is just strictly to give you basically what kind of yearly terms we're looking at from a bank roughly. This is just... Mayor Mason: Okay, if we do any prepayment from a penalty clause for failure t o deliver, this idea our present firetruck is one year behind. Kade Haddox: I don't want to do prepayment. I don't believe in it. The prepayment discount for full prepayment is only 121 grand. We're talking 2-3 years interest when we' re get ting 5 percent on what Rob is holding in the bank right now. It doesn't make sense to prepay anyway. So, I wouldn't do any prepayment. Typical ly we do 10-year loans on t hese. Usually on ladders we're looking at a life expectancy of what? 20 years? Assistant Chief Hobson: I would say yes with the newer equipment. Kade Haddox: The engine is 15? Assistant Chief Hobson: Yes, NFPA guidelines say 10-15, and I would stretch them to the 15 if possible. And that's actually why we're doing this because of that 14. So we' re at 10 years. Two more years, we' re going to start pushing that 15 with that engine. Mr. Roberts: So, current fire budget, would t hey have the ability t o take on debt service for something like that? Kade Haddox: Yes. Mr. Roberts: Okay. Kade Haddox: We actually have another, do we have another truck payment falling off this year? Chief Bell: In 2026, Engine 3 will drop off. Right now, we use partial payment from Columbia Gas ren ting our Fairview Building. I think we're about $100,000 in what they're paying right now, and $58,000 of that goes to a payment. And the last payment is 2026. And that is the current Engine 3, the 2017. Mr. Roberts: So, Chief, you're saying in '26 we would need to order, and we' re anticipating I assume this 2- year lead time isn't going to go down any time soon? Assistant Chief Hobson: No, an engine is around 3-4 now, and a ladder is 22 to 24 months. Mr. Roberts: Oh, so you can get an engine in 3-4 months? Kade Haddox'. No, 3-4 years. Page 6 of 10 Mr. Roberts: Oh okay. I'm sorry. Assistant Chief Hobson: No, we wish! No, 3-4 years. Kade Haddox: So that's why we're discussing this now because it's almost two years before we could even take possession. I want to make Council aware. Obviously it's not a given. There are FEMA grants for fire assistance on engines. We qualify based off of our population for a grant of possibly up to $1 million. So we will be working with Community Development to try to seek the max grant potential on that and obviously there's no guarantee on that. But we could be looking at zero to $1 million in grant funding maybe to help us with this purchase too. Mayor Mason: I will certainly work with our congressman and our senator to try to get some earmarks. Kade Haddox: But that's the other part, with 24 months, we want to present this to Council and allow us ti me to go out and seek some of that assistance with these purchases. To apply for the grant, you have to have tot al specs, cost estimates, and all that sort of stuff too, as well. Mr. Ballmer: Other questions? Mr. Mayor, anything? Mayor Ma son: I'm good. Mr. Ballmer: Kade, anything else? Kade Haddox: I just would like to thank the committee, the Chief, Assistant Chief, and all the guys that worked on this, council and for being a part of the committee. I know you guys have put a lot of time and effort into this. It is appreciated. I hope Council is a little more satisfied than our last firet ruck presentation and this is a little more information. Mayor Mason: And what Kade and I talked about, the idea of spending the extra money to have a dual use for this is a far better move. Mr. Roberts: Just makes sense. Having one piece of equipment that can do all that, yes. Mrs. Osborn: Mr. Chair? Mr. Ballmer: Mrs. Osborn. Mrs. Osborn: Is the new facility by Sam's Club, is that in the city? Assistant Chief Hobson: It is. The U-Haul, that's actually one of the pictures that I left out. But we've been working with U-Haul. We've trained with U-Haul. Once they' re up and running, we' ll even do more now that they're finished. But yes, that is a facility that we're going to concentrate on. Mrs. Osborn: Yes, it's large. Page 7 of 10 Assistant Chief Hobson: Absolutely. And if you notice, actually stuff on the north end is getting bigger. So we need to have that equipment to make sure that we can fight those. Mr. Ballmer: Anything else from the committee? Questions? Again, Kade, thank you for your diligent work on this. I know we talked about, too, working some of the tools and things that will go along with the truck if everything goes through so that by the time it gets here, everything is ready to go and we don't have to wait until after to work on that. Kade has done a great job of working through all that. So I appreciate that work, too. Kade Haddox: I think this price includes, what $100,000 for tools? Assistant Chief Hobson: I believe so, yes. Kade Haddox: So it might not be as much if we buy tools up front. We've been trying to transition to more battery-powered tools like we said with the stuff with the highway going on. And it's just the way of the futu re, I guess. But, so part of that will be for new tools for the engine, as well. Assistant Chief Hobson: I appreciate it, gentlemen. Thank you both for being a part of it. Mrs. Osborn: So, what is our next step? Kade Haddox: I would like to bring a formal ordinance to Council to go through the three readings or whatever we need to. I just wanted to touch base with the committee level first before I propose an ordinance, I guess. Mrs. Osborn: Thanks. Mr. Roberts: Thank you guys, again, for doing all this work up front. We appreciate it. Assistant Chief Hobson: Absolutely. Mr. Ballmer: Mr. Vincent? Mr. Vincent: Yes, thank you. Just a quick question. 75 feet is the height we need to reach everything in our area? Assistant Chief Hobson: Well, yes and no. It depends where we can park. It depends what the traffic is going to be like. Like the Mapleview Terrace Apartments, it depends upon how packed they are in with the cars. But 75 foot is still going to give you an engine. If you go to 100 foot, now you're not in an engine length. So now you're not going to have that maneuverability through the tight parking lots up north to get around the parking. That 75 foot Quint keeps you in the engine length and makes it to where you can still drive around like an engine. And yes, you're going to be 25 feet short. But we still have all the ground ladders. Everything that's on the engine is coming over to this truck. So, if it's something that we can't reach out 75 foot and pick somebody up, we have a ground ladder. Somebody goes up the ladder, snatches somebody, and brings them right out. So it has all the same equipment. Mr. Vincent: 100 foot is what we need, ideally? Page 8 of 10 Assistant Fire Chief: 100 foot is what we have. We have a 100 footer. It' s just a little slower to get up there. This is going to be an advantage, like I said, another tool in the box. The majority of the times, it should be perfect. Kade Haddox: I think to answer your question, the committee valued maneuverability over the extra 25 feet. Assistant Chief Hobson: Yes, the maneuverability is what's going to be key here and still being able to keep that 600 gallons in the tank and keeping it just like an engine, but having a 75 foot ladder with you at all times. That's a matter ofthis and putting it through a window and saving a life. Mr. Vincent: Okay, and with that then too, that stiff nozzle to be controlled remotely from down below, if you put it up and spray water. Is there a camera up there where you can actually see? Assistant Chief Hobson: We did not do the camera at the top, right? But there are 360 cameras around. What you've got to think of too is the heat, the fire, and everything that's up above. So, there's no camera at the tip of the nozzle. Mr. Vincent: Okay. It just wouldn't work because ofthe heat? Assistant Chief Hobson : I believe so. The heat and the steam that's coming up with electronics. It's an IT question. No, but I don't think a camera up there would work. I mean, it's something we can always ask, but I don't know if we posed that question or not? Firefighter Norris: We did. The camera they have right now for it is a wireless, not wired. And I think there's only one other apparatus they put it all into. So, like testing otherwise, it's a very expensive feature. Chief Bell: To be the first. Firefighter Norris: To be the second. It's not reliable. So, yes it is an option . But tested wise, I don't know how reliable it is beca use there's on ly one other place that has done it on this particular type of apparatus. So yes it is an option. Assistant Chief Hobson: But I would just say with that steam and that heat and that smoke ... Firefighter Norris: And it is wireless. Assistant Chief Hobson: And you don't want to depend upon it. Firefighter Salmons: And the other disadvantage is it couldn't be adjusted. So depending on where we're placing the aerial, the camera there may not be any good because it's a fixed camera. Where the aerial and the monitor for flowing water is remote. Mr. Vincent: And I' m obviously not a firefighter, but my t houghts are is you got this clear up there and you're working down below. It would be nice to see where you're shooting water ... Page 9 of 10 Assistant Chief Hobson: Well that is nice for the communication. So when we have someone on the tip and being able to talk and being able to control; that's the luxury of now being able to see them and talk to them. Mr. Vincent: So you always have a firefighter up there, correct? Assistant Chief Hobson: Yes, that's what we try to do, yes. Several were speaking at once, making it difficult to decipher. Chief Bell: To add to that Mr. Vincent, the technology that has passed all the things that is available right now. We're waiting for the cost to come right is drone technology. Drone technology will get you the eyes wherever you need them. And you can direct stream because you can see where your stream is hitting and stuff like that. So that's the tried and true right now. We're waiting for that cost to get, we've actually looked at a couple grants and stuff to get us in the neighborhood to get drone technology and stuff. And then like I said, if you're locked in on the ladder, this is where you are and that's what you're seeing. The drone can get other areas. Mr. Vincent: Thank you, gentlemen. Mr. Ballmer: Again, thank you for the hard work, the time you all have put in for this, and we'll see if we can get this moving forward . Assistant Chief Hobson: All right, thank you for your time. Thank you, Mayor. Mr. Ballmer: Anything else for the good of the order tonight? Mr. Roberts: Mr. Chairman? Mr. Ballmer: Mr. Roberts. Mr. Roberts : I move we adjourn. Mrs. Osborn: Second. Mr. Ballmer: All in favor, aye. A voice vote was taken with all present being in favor. None were opposed. Mr. Foreman was absent. Mr. Ballmer: Meeting adjourned. Have a great evening. Thank you . The meeting closed at 5:28 p.m. Mark Ballmer, Chairman Billie Corns, Clerk of Council Page 10 of 10 Prepared by Kade Haddox Director of Public Safety OFFICE OF PUBLIC SAFETY CITY OF ZANESVILLE, OHIO DIVISION OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING Traffic Order 24-07 November 21, 2024 SECTION ONE: There is hereby established a Forty-Five (45) mile per hour speed limit on Northpoint Drive from Fairview Road, north to the end of the City limits. SECTION TWO : The appropriate signs :;hall be installed in accordance with O.R.C.4511.07. KADE HADDOX, Director of Public Safety November 27, 2024 Billie Corns Clerk of Council Date Work Completed (signed) TO: Traffic File Service Depart111ent/Street Division Municipal Cowt Police Department