Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA)
Regular MeetingZionsville, IN · April 10, 2018
Minutes
MEETING RESULTS - ZIONSVILLE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APRIL 10, 2018
The Regular meeting of the Zionsville Board of Zoning Appeals occurred Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 6:30 p.m. in the
Zionsville Town Hall Room 105, 1100 West Oak Street, Zionsville, Indiana.
The following items were discussed:
I. Continuance Requests
Docket Number Name Address of Project Item to be considered
None
II. New Business
Docket Number Name Address of Project Item to be considered
Continued to May 9, 2018 - 5 in Favor, 0 Opposed
Petition for Development Standards Variance, to provide for
ZCS Wireless
the construction of a 125’ wireless communications tower
2018-05-DSV Telecommunication 4400 South 875 East
which would:
Structure
1) Exceed the allowable height
in the Special Use Zoning District (SU-1).
Continued to May 9, 2018 - 5 in Favor, 0 Opposed
ZCS Wireless
Petition for Special Exception to allow for the construction of
2018-06-SE Telecommunication 4400 South 875 East
a 125’ wireless communications tower in the Special Use
Structure
Zoning District (SU-1).
Continued to May 9, 2018 - 5 in Favor, 0 Opposed
Petition for Development Standards variance in order to
2018-07-DSV S. Herron 955 W Oak Street provide for the construction of a detached garage which:
1) Exceeds the allowable accessory square footage
in the Urban Residential Village Zoning District (R-V).
Continued to May 9, 2018 - 5 in Favor, 0 Opposed
Petition for Development Standards variance in order to
B & D Homes First 640 & 650 Mulberry provide for construction of single family homes which:
2018-08-DSV
Addition Street 1) Are not connected to public water
2) Deviate from the minimum road frontage – Lot 3 only
in the Urban Residential Single Family Zoning District (R-SF-2).
April 12, 2018
Approved – 5 in Favor, 0 Opposed
Petition for Development Standards variance in order to
provide for or permit single family homes which:
2018-09-DSV Estridge Homes Oxford Woods
1) Exceed the required lot coverage of 20%, to 24% for lots
3, 5, 6, 14, & 15 within the Oxford Woods subdivision in the
(R-SF-2), Residential Single Family Zoning District.
Respectfully Submitted:
Wayne DeLong AICP
Town of Zionsville
Director of Planning and Economic Development
April 12, 2018
Board of Zoning Appeals
April 10, 2018
Pledge of Allegiance was said and attendance was taken by the Secretary.
Present: Greg Morical, Larry Jones, John Wolff, Julia Evinger, Steve Mundy.
Staff attending: Darren Chadd, attorney; Wayne DeLong.
A quorum is present.
Morical Good evening and welcome to the April 10, 2018 meeting of the Zionsville Board of
Zoning Appeals. The first item on our Agenda is the Pledge of Allegiance.
All Pledge.
Morical The next item on our Agenda is attendance.
DeLong Mr. Morical?
Morical Present.
DeLong Mr. Jones?
Jones Present.
DeLong Mr. Wolff?
Wolff Present.
DeLong Ms. Evinger?
Evinger Present.
DeLong Mr. Mundy?
Mundy Present.
Morical The next item on our agenda is the review and approval of the March 13, 2018
meeting minutes that were distributed to the Board as part of the Board meeting
packet. Are there any questions or comments on the minutes? Hearing none, I would
entertain a motion.
Evinger I’ll make a motion that we approve the minutes as presented.
Morical Thank you. Is there a second?
Wolff Second.
Morical All those in favor, please say aye.
All Aye.
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Morical Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. The next item on our agenda is
continuance requests, and we received a request to continue Docket#2018-08-DSV,
B&D Homes, first addition. And, that was submitted earlier today. I believe our rules
state that it would be continuance by right if it had been submitted a week in advance,
but at this point, it is in our discretion whether or not to grant the continuance. Does
the petitioner want to make any statements about whether we should or should not
continue this particular matter?
Andreoli I’m sorry. I didn’t hear that, Mr. President.
Morical Not a problem, Mr. Andreoli. So, we’ve received a continuance request as it related
to this particular matter. Do you, as the petitioner’s representative, want to make any
comments before we consider whether to grant the request?
Andreoli See the letter. I don’t know that it met your statutory requirements, or 10 days, or
maybe it did, but I anticipate - -
Morical -- Step one, I apologize. Please state your name and address for the record, even
though we’re quite familiar with you.
Andreoli Mike Andreoli. 1392 West Oak Street.
Morical Thank you.
Andreoli We’ve had some discussions with Mr. Augustino, here tonight. We were going to go
ahead and make a presentation, but we’ve not yet talked to the nice lady who wrote
the letter, and voiced some of her concerns. There may be some things that we can do
to help with those particular concerns. So, depending on the what the sense was of
the Board, we probably would not have been adverse to try to continue the public
hearing tonight in order for us to have some further discussions with some of the
neighbors. I don’t think we had an appropriate timeline to do that before the meeting,
and, as you know, that’s generally my course of conduct to try to do that. With spring
break, Mr. D’Angelo is out of town, we really didn’t probably engage with the
neighborhood as best as we could. It may not solve anything, but there may be some
opportunities for us to do that. So, I really don’t have any particular difficulty with
that, and to the extent there was going to be some remonstrants, and we couldn’t
answer those questions for those folks, I was going to anticipate making a request to
the Board anyway to go ahead and table to allow us opportunities to discuss with the
neighborhood our proposal. So, I guess - -
Morical --So, you’re amenable to continuing.
Andreoli Yes. I’ll leave it in your good graces and the graces of the Board, but, in all
likelihood, that was going to be our anticipated thought process given the fact that
there is some concerns that were raised that we’ve not yet had an opportunity to sit
down with them and address, and it would truly be nice if we took that opportunity to
do that.
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Morical I think that makes sense. Do you think a continuance for one month would be
sufficient?
Andreoli Yes, certainly.
Morical Okay. Thank you.
Andreoli I would request appropriately that we not have to re-notice the public hearing since
we did appropriately notice everyone and that affidavit of mailing has been
submitted, and given the fact that you’ve given notice of the next meeting, I would
not anticipate we’d have to do that, but I wanted to be clear on that to make sure we
didn’t have to.
Morical No, I understand.
Andreoli Thank you.
Morical So, I think at this point in front of us we’ve got a continuance request to continue this
particular matter.
5:09-5:48: Inaudible due to equipment malfunction. The Board continued discussion concerning
continuance of Docket #2018-08 DSV, B&D Homes
Wolff --agree I would always appreciate feedback from the neighbors and others who are
involved in a petition.
Evinger Quick question, I know we talked about not re-noticing, but because it’s an odd date,
because it’s a Wednesday, do you think that that has any bearing on notice?
Morical So, Mr. Chadd, do you want to weigh in on that?
Chadd Legally, no.
Evinger Okay.
Morical Because, it would have been noticed for tonight.
Chadd Everybody who is entitled to notice has already gotten notice of tonight’s meeting. If
you announce the date, time and place of the next meeting, that’s fine.
Morical Here on the public record?
Chadd Yes.
Morical Right.
DeLong And, just one more piece from the Commission. Your rules and procedures actually
spell out if the BZA does not meet because of a holiday the meeting is the next day
anyway. So, you’ve got this issue double covered.
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Morical Any further discussion? Hearing none, I would entertain a motion.
Mundy I move that Docket#2018-08-DSV, design standards variance, in order to re-plat for
the construction of a single-family home, which are not connected to public water
and deviate from the minimum road frontage as illustrated in the site plan in the
report we received in the urban residential single-family zoning district be continued
to the May 9 meeting.
Morical Thank you. Is there a second?
Evinger Second.
Morical All those in favor, please say aye.
All Aye.
Morical Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much, Mr. Andreoli. We’ll see you
next month. The next item on our agenda is Docket #2018-05-DSV, DCS Wireless
Cell Communication structure. And, we also know there is this special exception, as
well. So, we’ve got another essential continuance that we need to address, as well.
That’s Docket#2018-07-DSV, S. Herron. If you’d please approach the podium and
state your name and address for the record.
Herron Steve Herron. 955 West Oak Street.
Morical Thank you. So, Mr. Herron, it’s come to our attention that the timing of your notice
in the newspaper didn’t meet our statutory requirements. And, for us, that’s
jurisdictional. That means we really can’t deal with it here tonight. Are you amenable
to continuing your petition to May 9?
Herron Yes, absolutely. I appreciate that. The only comment I have, or question I have,
would be similar to what was just requested since my neighbors have all received
notice of this date, and all have replied, and that was all, you know, within the
guidelines. Is that also a notice that I would have to re-send out, or just the
publication notice to be re-sent out?
DeLong I think the thing is, the situation is that you have, the only statutory requirement there
is in the state of Indiana is to publish notice in a newspaper. The local jurisdiction is
the place and the entity that establishes the local mailing. So, the local mailing
advertised a hearing that did not occur. So, tonight’s meeting did not occur for the
benefit of your petition. So, my suggestion would be to continue the petition with
personal notice and published notice being required.
Morical So, but he provided the certified mail notice.
DeLong But, for tonight’s meeting. So, certainly counsel can - -
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Morical --He provided that notice. So, those people, similar to other people, were on notice of
tonight, and we’re going on the public record again, it’s just nobody else in the public
other than those immediate neighbors would have received adequate notice. So, we
could probably say redo the newspaper notice to make that legally effective, but no
need to actually do the certified mail piece.
DeLong Certainly, I would suggest that we, you know, waive our local rule and, just for
safety.
Morical Sure. For the - -
DeLong --personal notice.
Morical Okay. The certified mail piece.
DeLong Yes.
Morical I think that works.
DeLong Yes.
Morical Any further discussion?
Wolff Are there any remonstrators here that were planning on talking about this petition?
Morical Not that we know of, but the challenge is by virtue of not filing, or having the notice
run in the paper on time, it’s not legally sufficient. So, we just don’t even have the
jurisdiction to deal with it tonight.
Wolff Yes. I guess I was concerned about, I was going back to the notification issues. I
mean, do we, yes, okay.
Morical So, you know, they essentially provide notice in 2 ways. Certified mail to all the
neighbors, and then in the newspaper. And the certified mail piece to all the
neighbors was sufficient. Just the newspaper one wasn’t. So, if all of them got notice
that this was going to happen tonight, presumably they’d be here if they’re interested,
and they’ll follow - -
Wolff - - That’s what I was asking. Is there anyone here that’s interested? Because, if they
were then we need to make sure that they’re - -
Morical - - Well, if they’re here.
Wolff Do we need to ask for any remonstrators?
Morical Watching all this happen in real time, I don’t think so, because we can’t actually deal
with it because the newspaper part was legally insufficient.
Wolff Perfect.
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Morical Any further discussion? Hearing none, I would entertain a motion.
Wolff I will make a motion that Docket#2018-07-DSV for 955 West Oak Street be
continued to the Wednesday, May 9 2018 BZA meeting.
Morical Is there a second?
Mundy Second.
Morical Would you be amenable to amending your motion to note that we would waive the
personal notice requirement, but the petitioner would still need to put a sufficient
notice in the newspaper?
Wolff I am amenable to that addition.
Morical Great. Is there a second?
Mundy Second.
Morical All those in favor, please say aye.
All Aye.
Morical Any opposed? Motion passes.
Herron Thank you very much.
Morical Thank you, Mr. Herron. We’ll see you next time. Okay, now onto the cell tower.
Docket #2015-05-DSV, and #2018-06-SE. Please approach the podium and state
your name and address for the record, and give us an overview of what you’re
interested in tonight, and I should let you know, we’ll deal with, if you could address
both petitions together, and then we’ll deal with them separately. But, you can talk to
them.
Buddenbaum Absolutely. Mr. Chairman, members of the Board, my name is Jim Buddenbaum. I
represent Crown Castle USA Inc., and its petition for special exception and
developmental standards variance. The special exception is to allow for a wireless
communication structure to be located at 4400 South 875 East, which is athletic
facility, or property, owned by the school building corporation or the school
corporation. I think the actual site that we’re located on is Zionsville Community
Schools building corporation rather than Zionsville Community schools. You all
know what that means, I’m sure. By our petition for special exception, we are asking
for that wireless communication support structure, which will hold up to four
wireless communication providers. The need for the developmental standard is that at
120 feet, which is the size of our actual structure, we wouldn’t need a developmental
standard, but we have a 5-foot lightening rod on the top of it, and that requires us to
get developmental standards variance for that 5 feet. Some communities require it,
some don’t. Sometimes they treat that as impertinence and not as part of the
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structure. Somewhat technical. Like I said, the special exception would be permitted
as long as they meet the criteria in the ordinance at 120 feet. This is located at the
southernmost portion of these athletic facilities. To the north, there is two softball
fields. To the south, there is two baseball fields. We are at the southernmost edge of
one of the baseball fields located outside of the actual playing area, of course. We’re
located within a stand of probably, if you took all of the light stands that exist at that
facility, there is probably 15 or so light stands. I don’t have an exact measurement of
the light stands because we don’t know who manufactured or who put them up. I did
float a drone up there to get to the same height and it looks like they’re between 45
and 50 feet high, or so. That’s what we believe. The site is located as much as could
locate it at the center of, sort of, the parent tract. We are 371 feet from the west
property line, 470 feet from the south property line, 875 feet from the center line of
875, and to the north, we don’t have an exact measurement because there is multiple
parcels before you get to any development, but it’s probably more than 1000 feet
before you get past the open field there. There is no lights on this except for all on the
inside of the fence down at, you know, eye level or so. There will be a security light
that’s motion-detected activated, just not that it’s going to prevent, but hopefully it
will scare off anybody who tried to, you know, enter the property after hours. There
is no sounds. There is no noxious emissions from this. And, there will be no
employees. It’s just periodically occupied by maintenance personnel, who go check
on it to make sure that the facilities are okay, and then in emergency situations if
there was an outage at that particular cell site. The site was chosen initially at the
request of Verizon Wireless, which provides, we all know, provides wireless
services. And, so they want a site in an area that’s equidistance approximately
between existing sites that they may have. And, so then they come to Crown Castle
and Crown Castle then assists them in locating an appropriate or acceptable site
location. This was the one that was located for that purpose. Crown Castle will
ultimately own the tower structure, have owned the rights to the lease area
underneath it, and that’s what provides the opportunity for the co-location of the
additional 3 providers. I don’t know how many of you have been on the Board for a
long period of time, but the industry has migrated from each carrier building its own
towers and competing with each other, and not wanting to tell each other where their
towers were, that the carriers have all divested themselves of owning real estate and
they’re in the business of owning just the antennas and the equipment that’s at the
site, and they locate with companies such as Crown Castle, which, I don’t want to say
this incorrectly, but I think it’s the largest company, or certainly one of the largest
companies that manages wireless communication structures, and you know, I liken it
to be a landlord of office buildings or industrial parks. You know, their goal on life is
to help with the co-location, which, of course, has been the goal for many, many
years in the wireless industry. So, that’s how this site got located. The nearest site is
more than a mile and a half away the nearest other wireless support structure. As
you’ll note, the height of the structure is 120 feet. Over time, too, is as the population
has migrated from using land line phones to more than 50% of the population not
owning a land line, but using wireless structures, or wireless communication as a
primary form of communication, as well as for data transfer, the height the structures
has shrunk. In the early 90s when we were building out systems initially, there would
be 300-foot tri-legged, painted, lighted structures because they were just trying to get
radiofrequency out there so that people could drive down the major thoroughfare and
have uninterrupted service. I can answer some questions about how cellular works.
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I’m not an engineer, but I’ve done this a long time, so kind of like the guys, I’m not a
doctor, but plays one on TV. The staff recommends approval of both petitions. Let
me do note that in addition to these two petitions, the development standards petition
for the additional 5 feet for the lightening rod and the special exception, we also have
filed a petition which will be heard, assuming there is approval tonight, before the
Plan Commission for the development plan approval. We do have a few things that
we need to do with our site to satisfy local building permit authorities such as making
sure we have the necessary drainage calculations for the drainage, including the
drainage that would be on, what we think is pervious, but the Town consider
impervious surfaces such as gravel drives and all that. And, we’re working on those
calculations. We just don’t have them. We understand that those will have to be
approved and presented before we could pull a building permit. Let me just add, and
then answer questions, because I don’t know that there is much more I can say. I
would ask that our proposed findings of fact, both for the special exception and for
the development standards be incorporated into the record by reference. Those have
been presented through the Planning Board, and I’m glad to answer questions with
that.
Morical Thank you, Mr. Buddenbaum. Did you receive a copy of the email from the Peters,
raising the concerns on your petition?
Buddenbaum Yes, we did. And, do you want me to address some of those concerns?
Morical Please.
Buddenbaum With regard to, and I’ll go in no particular order. I’ll pull out his, I don’t have it as
my top. I have it here somewhere. But, with regard to the ones that I remember
initially, his environment question, which really relates to the farm that is on the
national registry directly to the south, and it’s kind of over a hill. I don’t know if
everybody knows the lay of the land here. The FCC requires that there be NEPA
filings on every cell site and that’s going to be required on this one, and the filing is
complete or is in the process, and to the extent that that’s not approved, or that there
is an alteration to the site, we will be subject to those limitations for that as well. So,
we understand, you know, there is some risks that will have difficulties there,
although we don’t anticipate that given the distance that exists between our location
and that national registered site. As you can imagine, in urban areas, there is
registered historic sites that are very, very close to wireless facilities and there is
things that are worked out and done to ameliorate any effect that someone might feel
from that.
Morical I should note, and it would be helpful if you can find the actual copy of his email
because he does raise a number of different questions. The National Historic
Preservation Act, which is what you talked about in the context of the FCC, certainly
makes sense, and that’s the federal concern, but we’ve got our own Town regulations
that address historic preservation. We independently, as a Town, have the right to
address historic preservation separate from the federal National Historic Preservation
Act. So, we need to make sure that we’re complying with our own regulations as
well.
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Buddenbaum We would gladly, you know, submit ourselves to making sure that we comply with
that. I’m not sure that we’re aware of, I’m not as aware of the jurisdiction.
Morical So, if you look at Mr. Peters’ fifth stated concern, which is the historic preservation
concern, he cites signs of a regulation, 194.102, and he quotes it and I didn’t confirm
whether this is an accurate quote, though I expect it is. “The views and vistas from
architecturally or historically significant structures should not be impaired or
diminished by the placement of telecommunications towers.”
Buddenbaum You know, with all due respect to Mr. Peters, and I do understand his concern with
that, like I said, part of the, you know, the trick to getting a cell tower in a location
that both provides the necessary engineering so that it actually does what it’s
supposed to do, so that as you travel down the road, you have the uninterrupted
service, or if you’re inside of a structure like your home, you have uninterrupted
service. The trick is you’ve got to find a site that’s as close to perfect as you can get,
but so far, I haven’t seen a perfect one yet. And, so the difficulty is finding out
whether is not a problem. This site was attractive in part because of its vast expanse,
and with all due respect, it’s somewhat peppered with these light standards, while not
as tall as ours from the ground, if you look up, you’re going to see all of these light
standards, and we’re hopeful that that will make ours not disappear, but be less
obvious. And, so I think that maybe that condition already exists at this particular site
in terms of having a structure in the air.
Morical And, I think that’s a legitimate argument to make. But, the thing that I think that’s
important for us as a Board is to make sure to comply with our requirements, which
is we need to address that particular regulation and not just rely upon the federal
government and their application of the National Historic Preservation Act.
Buddenbaum I agree.
Morical So, we need to address that one specifically, and then his fourth concern that he
raised with respect to the urban special regulations for wireless telecommunications
facilities, that’s also cited as 194.102.
Buddenbaum That, I think what Mr. Peters is saying there is, have you gone out and made sure you
couldn’t just go locate somewhere else. And, because we got this yesterday, we were
able, but didn’t get it until this morning, we were able to do a more detailed analysis
of all the sites that we could find of existing structures, and I’m glad to hand this out
to you. You will see the distances.
Morical Because we record all of our hearing, if you could wait to give comments until
you’re back to the mic that would be great. Otherwise, our transcript will be wanting.
So, you had told us before that the closest one was 1 1/2 miles away. It looks like it
may be slightly under 2 miles. 1.96 miles. And, then the question is, is that is 1.96
miles too far away?
Buddenbaum Well, as all of you know, when you go out to that area, they’re building lots and lots
of subdivisions, it appeared to me anyway. And, so I think they’re anticipating a
capacity problem. Because there is 2 main elements to providing wireless
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communication, and you know, somebody, my client, Tom Crowes, here representing
Crown Castle, he can correct me if I get beyond my skill level here, but you know,
really cell phones are just radios. It’s super sophisticated radios that have lots of
computers involved, and they scramble and de-scramble the signals, and they, you
know, the way you can have continuous operation is you drive down the road and
you’ve got, you’re hearing the call and you’re speaking a call. That’s two channels.
And, your device that your holding is really looking for the next place that it’s going
to connect to, and then, once it makes that connection, then it will pull one of the
other ones over. This is very simple. I’m simplifying it way beyond what it is, but
that’s how an engineer described it to me. And, so, the difficulty is that if you’re too
close, or you’re too far, those connections that I just described don’t occur properly.
If you’re too close, you have interference, or does no good because the, you know, if
you’re more to the east than to the west, you’re going to end up having to have a
structure that you otherwise wouldn’t need. This one just happens as close as it can
possibly, sits right between a whole bunch of other antenna structures. Many of
those, I don’t know the height of those, but I know a couple of them, or a couple
pretty tall ones. Like I said, those will start coming down. There is two main parts of
wireless communication. There is that, what I just described, which is coverage, and
then there is capacity. And, as you’re adding all of these homes, people are not going
to put wire line phones in their home. They’re going to want to be able to make a call
from their family room and not have to go out onto the front porch, so the structures
come down. They get lower and lower, and you got to have that capacity there and
that’s hopefully what will occur with this site. It will provide that capacity in that
immediate area.
Morical The regulation that Mr. Peters identified, as reported by Wayne, requires that the
applicant, and again, it’s just an excerpt, had to submit a master plan for its wireless
telecommunication facilities throughout the Town. Has your client done that?
Buddenbaum I’ll let Mr. Crowe. Part of the difficulty is we’re going to have four different
providers on this site.
Crowe My name is Tom Crowe. I’m a project manager with Crown Castle. Our offices are at
9045 River Road in Indianapolis. To answer the questions, so the tower on your map
there that’s 2 miles away from our proposed site, Verizon Wireless is on that site.
The sites that are 1.96 miles away, the other carriers are there. That’s at the high
school, those sites there. If you go northwest towards Whitestown, Verizon is on that
site there. So, we’re going right in the middle of a number of Verizon sites. So, and
that’s kind of basically within the Town of Zionsville where Verizon is currently. As
Jim has said, as wireless is developed out and capacity issues have become the
problem. Cell towers used to be 4 miles apart, then they were 2 miles apart. You get
close to Indianapolis, now they’re 1 mile apart, and in some cases, they’re going to
be less than that. So, this is going to be a capacity issue. Not so much a coverage, but
a capacity issue. It’s going to offload some of those other sites around there that I was
just talking about, but those are the three sites.
31:55-32:01 Inaudible due to equipment malfunction
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Morical --I read the excerpt from Mr. Peters’ remonstrance and the fourth point, it says that
the applicant shall submit a master plan for its wireless telecommunication facilities
throughout the Town. Not should, but shall. So is that essentially a requirement that
needs to be addressed before we can grant a variance that allows for the placement of
another facility?
DeLong Correct. That master plan shall be submitted. Certainly, if this document suffices
what you’re submitting as a master plan, but certainly the comprehensive master plan
also anticipates future towers.
Morical Which this doesn’t?
DeLong Correct. Except for the center tower is the anticipated tower.
Morical Right. “Master plan shall demonstrate efforts to minimize the size and number of
telecommunications, antenna locations throughout the geographical area.”
Crowe So, the purpose of the fourth carrier tower we’re developing, and then there’s the two
at the high school compounding three carriers, and then Verizon is on, I think it’s not
too far from here, it’s a cell support tower.
Morical So, all I’m looking at is this excerpt that Mr. Peters cited in remonstrance. My
concern is whether or not trying to deal with this just in the context of this special
exception is adequate or whether they need to be working this directly with the Town
first, and once that’s done, then they come before us.
DeLong Yes, and uniquely, the last time we approved a cell phone tower was 2005.
Morical That’s before my time.
DeLong You do not have a really strong history to validate against. Because, we did look into
that. What have we done in the past.
Morical So, I would suggest, in light of these questions, and based upon the excerpts we’re
looking at, it looks like they’ve got requirements they need to meet before they can
put a cell phone tower in the Town of Zionsville. And, it’s not clear that they’ve met
those. So, I’d be inclined to give them 30 days to work those issues, make sure we’re
comfortable and aware of what the requirements are and that they’re satisfied, and
then address this at the next meeting.
Buddenbaum Let me, on the master plan, and I, you know, for whatever it’s worth, not worth
much, I did a lot of cell towers in the early years starting in ’92, lots of them, and
there was, you know, it was the wild west. There was no wireless zoning ordinances.
It was what it was. And, then, smartly, communities said, hey we need to figure out a
way to regulate this and deal with it. And, my firm was involved in drafting a lot of
the ordinances, and a lot of them required the master plan, and that made a ton of
sense when I would present a case and it was Verizon or Cingular Wireless, because I
could get all of their master plans from their engineers. I’m just raising an issue and
Tom can jump in if I’m wrong, I’m a little worried that we’ll never really have a true
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master plan from the carriers because they’re not really, you know, the market’s
changed. You have a landlord and then you got these guys who come and locate on
them, and this site is attractive for the reasons that we’ve all talked about here, which
is there is a lot of new homes, it’s equal distance between existing structures, but I’m
not sure that we have the capacity. I’m just pointing out something that’s a change of
times, the capacity to make these carriers tell us where they’re going to be next.
Morical Two points. Number one, according to this excerpt, you have to do it. And, if so it is
the law of our little part of the land.
Buddenbaum We gotta do something.
Morical And number two, actually, the changes that have happened in terms of wireless
carriers really relying upon your client, and cooperating more than they have in the
past, probably facilitates clearer planning than it did when everybody was doing their
own plans. So, what I think makes sense is, you guys spend the time talking with the
Town before the next meeting to work through these to make sure we feel like all the
different requirements have been satisfied, and that when you come back to us again,
also be prepared to discuss the view shed impact under our local historic preservation
ordinance, which may include some pictures that show what the existing lighting
structures are there, and how those may blend in with this as well, so we can assess
whether there is a view shed impact. Any further comments?
Jones I’ve got two. One basically just supports what you just said, Greg, is that, you know,
the installation of a cell tower is basically being put in to better facilitate the service
that Verizon can supply, as well as the other carriers. So, basically, it’s providing,
how to I want to say, better market penetration. In other words, it’s really a benefit to
them. It’s not really a benefit, it’s a benefit to them in that their ability then to get
more clients. So, for us to actually ask, is there sort of a master plan for laying these
out around the community, it’s a two-way street with, given what we all pay for our
cell-phone bills. It going to the benefit of the providers. The second question I have
is, so I’m over at Willow Road and Michigan, and recently they just installed one or
two, they’re like street-pole. Now, were those cell towers, or were they more data. Do
you?
DeLong Those are micro-cell towers. They were 30 feet in height. They’re frequency range is
rather limited. It’s a very low net. That’s why there is a number of those. Those were
installed by Zayo. A very similar situation where they’re looking to provide
opportunities for a carrier, and that they’re had drops. It’s mostly related to holiday
traffic, as well as event traffic in the Town of Zionsville during peak events. They’re
having a larger number of dropped calls.
Jones Are there more of those around town?
DeLong There are, I think number of 5 and there will be more.
Jones Okay. So, there’s 5 more cell towers in addition to what’s being shown on this master
plan that we’re being told is the master plan, which isn’t quite complete.
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Buddenbaum There is a big difference between small-cell and micro-cell. So, - -
Morical --Make sure you speak into the microphone otherwise we won’t be able to pick it up.
Buddenbaum There is a difference. I mean, small-cell is exactly what it says. It only covers a small,
maybe a few block area. Where the cell tower will cover, you know, probably up to
mile in radius.
Morical So, it would be fair to say, and maybe for you to provide us as we consider whether
this is kind of the least impactful development that can be done for this variance,
you’d say we can put in this 120-foot plus 5 feet tower, or we could have 12 of these
itty bitty towers all over the place. And, you could say, well, just this one is probably
better than sprinkling all these other ones all over the place, but that would be helpful
to know.
Buddenbaum Yes. And, we’re happy to do that. I don’t think our map is going to change much, as
you can see. We tried to pick the surrounding towers around this so there is a tower
up to the northeast that’s going to suffice for the four carriers up there. That’s about
ours. Ones in the red boxes are Crown Castle owned towers. So, you can kind of see
we’re going right in the middle of the four or five towers that I have lined out there,
and from a tower standpoint, that’s probably going to solve the problem in that area.
As things develop, 10-20 years down the road, you might see the small-cell, the need
for a small-cell in there.
Morical Okay. So, that’s part of the question when you engage with the Town on the plan--
do you think this gets it done? For the foreseeable future, in light of our expected
development pattern? And, that’s best done with your engagement with the Town
directly. Any further questions or comments?
Evinger Just one other question, because you have a 5-foot lightening rod on there, and
without that you probably would not be before us today, is there another way of
engineering the tower to be grounded without having to have that lightening rod?
Buddenbaum Well, I think we’d have to be before you, because all special exceptions have to come
before the Board of Zoning Appeals, but that 5-foot required us to file an additional
petition for developmental standards variance.
Morical Any other questions for the petitioner? Hearing none, I would suggest a motion to
continue be voted on.
Marine Mr. Chairman, are you going to do public comment?
Morical Certainly. You can come up and state your name and address for the record and let us
know what you’re interested in.
Marine My name is Mike Marine. I represent the Boone County Tennis Center, doing
business as Pearson Automotive Tennis Club. We’re in dire need of this tower for the
purposes getting wifi coverage. We cannot get land lines into the tennis club, and this
would provide us with an ability to have wifi, which is really necessary any more if
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you’re going to run a business, to have people to register for courts and that type of
things. So, we’re very much in favor of this. In terms of, and for, I’m also a
Zionsville resident, a former Zionsville Town attorney. The current guidelines under
the Zionsville code is pretty antiquated when it comes to cellular towers. I’ll just tell
you that is my experience. And, the idea that there would be, it was written at a time
when there was competition that is non-existent any more for placing towers. And,
we are very much in favor of it, and would like to see it go up as quickly as possible.
Morical Okay. Thank you, Mr. Marine. Any other people want to come up? Hearing none, I
would entertain a motion.
Mundy I move that Docket #2018-05, both the DSV and the SE, for the property located at
4400 South County Road 875 East to allow for the construction of 125-foot tall
wireless communication tower be continued to the May 9 meeting.
Morical Thank you. Is there a second?
Jones Second.
Morical All those in favor, please say aye.
All Aye.
Morical Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. We’ll see you guys next
month.
Buddenbaum Without notice?
Morical Yes. You don’t need to provide notice again. The next item, okay, the next item on
our agenda is Docket#2018-09-DSV, Estridge Homes, Oxford Woods. Will you
approach the podium and please state your name and address for the record?
Resetarits Good evening, Mr. Chairman and Board. My name is Kyle Resetarits. I’m an
attorney with the law firm of Bingham, Greenebaum, Doll located at 2700 Market
Tower, 10 West Market Street in Indianapolis. I first want to say that my colleague,
Matt Price, attorney for the petitioner sends his regrets as he’s unable to be here this
evening due to a prior conflict. I’m joined by three members of the petitioner,
Estridge Homes, who are seated at this third row. Rob McGraw, COO and VP of
Operations, Clint Mitchell, VP of Land Development, and Roger Fosser, Director of
Land Development. The location at issue for this petition #2018-09-DSV are 5 lots
located within the Oxford Woods subdivision located at approximately the 5100
block of South US Highway 421, Michigan Road. Across Michigan Road from the
Clarkston subdivision. Oxford Woods is a 21-lot subdivision zoned R-SF-2, and
subject to a 2015 primary plat and development plan approvals. My client, Estridge
Homes puts forth this petition for variance of development standards to provide for
five of the 21 homes to exceed the lot coverage allowed for a bit of, I guess,
procedural history that this follows an approval variance approved by this Board on
April 10 of last year that included some stipulated conditions. Originally the
petitioner was seeking relief from the lot coverage, maximum for 8 of the lots. We
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are reducing that number to 5 of the lots due to some constraints kind of out of our
hands, particularly that the petitioner has a lack of control of some of the real estate
involved in the Oxford Woods subdivision. So, in summary, we are requesting up to
a 24% lot coverage for 5 of the 21 lots, whereas otherwise, the maximum allowed
would have been 20%. So, as a general matter, the subdivision does generally comply
with the open space subdivision requirements for the amount of open space in the
subdivision if the subdivision had been originally designated an open subdivision,
and I should step back a bit to say that my client was not involved in the original
development of the subdivision, but the open space subdivision would have allowed
for a maximum lot coverage of 50%, more than twice the 24% requested for these 5
lots this evening. So, within the subdivision, there are over 4 acres currently set aside
and approved by the primary plat and development plan, and again, keeping in with
many of the characteristics of an open space subdivision included with the petition is
a site plan to show that. That 4 acres is made up of 3 common areas, A, B and C, to A
and B that run directly adjacent to Michigan Road. Common area C, and then an
additional lot block A, there on the southeast corner of the Oxford Woods
subdivision. The 4 of those areas, those parcels, add up to about 4 acres. So, the
reason for this petition and this request for variance really comes down to the
hardship that would be placed on Estridge Homes, if not permissible. There is a
market demand in Zionsville, in particular in this area, and if there are any further
questions on that specifically, I’ll let one of the gentleman from Estridge Homes
speak to that, but specifically, from buyers of these homes, two elements. And,
architectural diversity and, you know, a price point for these homes, of which semi-
custom homes can range, you know, $500, 000 to $1.4 million, and a key to the
customers of these homes, and the appeal of these homes, including the architectural
diversity is outdoor areas, patios, porches, whatnot, that would contribute to the lot
coverage of each individual lot to accommodate the homes built in this subdivision.
The reality is that, in our view, the variance requested, the increase to 24%, is
primarily technical in nature and would not be visually discernable from anyone
driving by, walking by in the subdivision, really living nearby, aside from the
enjoyment of the individual lot and homeowner. Granting the slight increase in lot
coverage for these 5 lots, again, would allow for great architectural diversity in the
subdivision increasing the potential for home designs and, again, just a small
departure from the 20%, which again, would have been permissible underneath the
open space subdivision. We do not control the portion of the open space that is
considered Block A. That is controlled by the previous developer, a firm which
Estridge Homes purchased the 5 lots in question today, and kind of by no fault of our
own, or for lack of effort, we have not been able to secure the owner, and previous
developer of the development, the owner of that Block A to consider that a dedicated
open space.
Morical Thank you very much. So, your client only owns those 5 lots.
Resetarits Those 5 lots. Yes, Sir.
Morical Okay. Because I look at Exhibit 4 - -
Resetarits Well, excuse me, I may dive into that question. My client owns more than 5 of the
lots, but my client is the sole owner of those 5 lots.
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Morical Okay. Thank you. Can you turn to Exhibit 4 of your petition, titled ‘Typical Ranch
Plan Requested Variance’?
Resetarits Yes, sir.
Morical So you’re before us tonight asking for the variance from above 20% to 24% for these
5 lots. On Exhibit 4, ‘Typical Ranch Plan Requested Variance’, it identifies 4 other
parcels that would be contemplated to have proposed lot coverage above 20% that are
beyond these 5 identified. That includes Parcel #2 at 23.17%, Parcel#4 at 23.55%,
Parcel#8 at 20.44%, Parcel#20 at 20.54%. In addition, you have noted that Parcel#15,
which is subject to the variance request, you’re requesting 24% and it identifies
25.68% with a footnote that says going to 24% of that lot provides relief, but would
still require a slight reduction. So, I guess we need to deal with those 2 items
separately. There are 4 of the parcels that are identified in Exhibit 4 that are not
subject to this petition that would appear to be above the permitted lot coverage. Is
that a typo in this exhibit, and you guys are comfortable living at and below 20% on
those parcels?
Resetarits I believe there is a second page to Exhibit 4 that would correct the Typical Ranch
Plan Requested Variance page to include Lots#3,5,6,14 and 15 to be the 5 lots in
question.
Morical Maybe I’m missing something. I see there are two different Exhibit 4s. One titled
‘Typical Ranch Plan Requested Variance’, and one titled ‘Typical Ranch Plan
Current Requirement’.
Resetarits I’ll let Clint Mitchell speak for this.
Morical Please state your name and address for the record, and walk us through your request.
Mitchell Sure. I think I’m following you. Clint Mitchell with Estridge Homes, 12965 Old
Meridian Street is the Estridge address. There are additional lots that we would, that
if we wanted to build a ranch home with the square footage in this exhibit, they
would violate it. However, we have only asked for 5, knowing that these other lots
we would have to build a 2-story home that would have a smaller main area square
footage, and we would be able to fit a variety of homes in the neighborhood, giving 5
lots at least provides those lots that we could build a ranch, that the market is asking
for, and the other lots that you mentioned. We would have to find something that’s a
smaller square footage, but 2 stories. So, the total square footage of the home would
be larger, but it wouldn’t violate the 20%.
Morical So, just to make sure our record is crystal clear, despite what you filed in these
exhibits, you’re again only asking for a variance above 20% to 24% for Lots#3,5,6,
14 and 15.
Mitchell Correct.
Morical Okay. Got it. Thank you.
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Resetarits That’s noted with an asterisk in both pages of Exhibit 4 as well, lots with the
requested variance next to those five.
Morical I notice that, except for the column that then said your proposed lot coverage
exceeded it. So, I like footnotes, and so - -
Resetarits We all like clarity for the record.
Morical We love clarity for the record.
Resetarits Just those five, #3, 5, 6, 14 and 15.
Morical Great. Any further questions for the petitioner?
Jones To confirm what I’m hearing, so what you’re saying is on the other lots, which would
be #2, 4, 8, and 20, you’re going to build basically a smaller house than your typical
3852 plan. Is that correct? 3852 square foot plan.
Resetarits Per the definition, it would be a smaller footprint than that. It may be a 2-story house,
but it would be a larger square footage.
Jones Yes. Whatever the lot coverage number. I’m sorry. It’s a better way to put it. Okay.
Resetarits The lot coverage would be less than 20%.
Mundy Just for clarity, Lot#15, the one with the double asterisk, your footnote says going to
24% at Lot#15 provides relief, but would still require a slight reduction to the
targeted square footage, so I’m assuming that the square footage would be less than
that. Is that correct?
Resetarits It’s similar to the other lots where the proposed lot coverage would need to be,
percentage would need to be decreased. That will need to be decreased for Lot#15 as
well, so that it would be lower than the 24% if that variance is requested. So, a slight
adjustment of at least 1.68%.
Mitchell So only that would change, the plan of the house.
Resetarits Again, which I understand it to be an unattractive quality for homebuyers of my
clients.
Morical Any further questions for the petitioner? Thank you very much. Are there any
remonstrators here tonight? Seeing none, may we have the staff report please?
DeLong Thank you. Staff is supportive of the petition. Certainly, this Board recalls the prior
discussion with prior variance assuming that’s something to consider rescinding this
evening if the Board is inclined to approve this petition. Certainly, staff at the last
sets of hearings brought to the attention of the Board the concept of, you know,
attempting to obtain some sort of additional requirement on the Block A to have that
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function more in line with the open space subdivision standards. Certainly staff
recognizes the practical issues of the petitioner, you know, securing that right, if you
will, and certainly over the time that has passed, this variance that was granted has
been now reduced to just encapsulate 5 lots that are seeking this relief. Given those
changes, staff is supportive of deviating from that previous discussion and looking to
secure that Block A as dedicated open space, and just leaving that as Block A as it is
platted. Again, staff is supportive of the petition as filed, and I’d be happy to answer
any questions.
Morical Thank you, Wayne. Any questions for staff?
Evinger Quick question. As far as an approval of variance, what we did last year, this is the
same that’s associated with Lots#2, 4, and 13. Are there any other lots that were
associated that have been built upon or have been now excluded from this? I’m just
asking if we rescind this variance to be in danger or change anything with any of the
other lots that might have been associated with that originally.
DeLong I don’t believe so. I mean, the universe of that prior request included a total of 8 lots,
and the variance was unusable, so that really any relief that was ever, no relief could
ever be enjoyed on Lots#2, 4 or 13, and I don’t recall off hand if 13 is built out yet or
not.
Resetarits Lot#13 is not build out.
Morical Wayne, is the variance number listed in the procedural note, should that be 2017?
Any further questions for - -
Jones --I’ve got one, just because, you know me.
Morical Does it relate to drainage?
Jones Part and parcel of the reason they’re requesting this is just because they’ve been
limited by the width of this entire parcel. You know, to comply with road widths,
setbacks, turning radiuses for emergency vehicles. If you sort of go through this site
plan, you know, they’ve consistently maintained a 100-foot wide lot, but I think
where the core issue is, they just ran out of depth, which is getting their gross square
footage down to a point that the home that the market is requesting gets over the
coverage limit. Does that make sense what I’m saying? Is there benefit to having
these other lots also included in the 24%? You know, I know, or does that cause a
whole bunch of headache if we look to Lots#2, 4, and 8 to include those, 2, 4, 8 and
20, to add those to the mix that’s been asked. Or if we do that, do we, is that throwing
a real monkey wrench into the whole?
Morical Mr. Chadd, my sense is that would be a legal challenge because they would have
noticed the scope of the petition, requested petition would be, you know, this big and
- -
Jones Bababababum.
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Chadd That’s my immediate sense as well. I get where you’re coming from, but that wasn’t
published.
Jones I got it.
Morical But, the record does reflect how practical you are, Larry. So, thank you.
Jones I’m a very practical person. Very.
Morical Any further questions? Okay. Hearing none, I would entertain a motion, and again, as
part of this, I think we need to take action to rescind the prior variance.
Evinger I move that Docket#2018-09-DSV, design standards variance, to petition for
development standards variance for specific lots in Oxford Woods known as #3, 5, 6,
14 and 15 to provide for single-family dwelling utilizing a lot coverage which does
not exceed 24%, while establishing the creation of a permanent open space within the
overall development known as Oxford Woods subdivision be approved as
recommended by staff and based upon findings of fact, and further, that the variance
of #2017-05-DSV, associated with Lots#2, 4, and 13 within Oxford Woods
subdivision be rescinded. Do I need to add anything else to it? Okay.
Morical Thank you. Is there a second?
Mundy Second.
Morical Hearing none, all those in favor, please say aye.
All Aye.
Morical Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Have we got other matters to be
considered?
DeLong An update on Estridge Homes, Oxford Woods. The status of that plat amendment is
now unnecessary given the action of this Board this evening, so we can strike that off
your list of things to discuss. #2017-11-DSV, Fisher Homes, status of the plat
amendment, Ainsley Park is a project that continues to struggle in the marketplace
related to a variety of legal challenges, and so we have no update for you specific to
that project. Specific to the Campens, it’s our understanding that those commitments
have been recorded. We just continue to await the arrival of that copy.
Morical Great. Thank you. Is there anything else we need to deal with tonight? Audience
members? Anything? No zoning questions, drainage questions? Okay. We are
adjourned.
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Agenda
MEETING RESULTS - ZIONSVILLE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS APRIL 10, 2018
The Regular meeting of the Zionsville Board of Zoning Appeals occurred Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 6:30 p.m. in the
Zionsville Town Hall Room 105, 1100 West Oak Street, Zionsville, Indiana.
The following items were discussed:
I. Continuance Requests
Docket Number Name Address of Project Item to be considered
None
II. New Business
Docket Number Name Address of Project Item to be considered
Continued to May 9, 2018 - 5 in Favor, 0 Opposed
Petition for Development Standards Variance, to provide for
ZCS Wireless
the construction of a 125’ wireless communications tower
2018-05-DSV Telecommunication 4400 South 875 East
which would:
Structure
1) Exceed the allowable height
in the Special Use Zoning District (SU-1).
Continued to May 9, 2018 - 5 in Favor, 0 Opposed
ZCS Wireless
Petition for Special Exception to allow for the construction of
2018-06-SE Telecommunication 4400 South 875 East
a 125’ wireless communications tower in the Special Use
Structure
Zoning District (SU-1).
Continued to May 9, 2018 - 5 in Favor, 0 Opposed
Petition for Development Standards variance in order to
2018-07-DSV S. Herron 955 W Oak Street provide for the construction of a detached garage which:
1) Exceeds the allowable accessory square footage
in the Urban Residential Village Zoning District (R-V).
Continued to May 9, 2018 - 5 in Favor, 0 Opposed
Petition for Development Standards variance in order to
B & D Homes First 640 & 650 Mulberry provide for construction of single family homes which:
2018-08-DSV
Addition Street 1) Are not connected to public water
2) Deviate from the minimum road frontage – Lot 3 only
in the Urban Residential Single Family Zoning District (R-SF-2).
April 12, 2018
Approved – 5 in Favor, 0 Opposed
Petition for Development Standards variance in order to
provide for or permit single family homes which:
2018-09-DSV Estridge Homes Oxford Woods
1) Exceed the required lot coverage of 20%, to 24% for lots
3, 5, 6, 14, & 15 within the Oxford Woods subdivision in the
(R-SF-2), Residential Single Family Zoning District.
Respectfully Submitted:
Wayne DeLong AICP
Town of Zionsville
Director of Planning and Economic Development
April 12, 2018
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