Zionsville Board of Park and Recreation
Regular MeetingZionsville, IN · November 9, 2011
Minutes
Summary Minutes of the Meeting of the
Zionsville Park and Recreation Board
November 9, 2011
The Zionsville Board of Park and Recreation met Wednesday, November 9, 2011 at 7:00
PM. Ellen Butz, Steven Mueller, Scott Bruns, and Neil Clements were present. Board
member Phil Howard was unable to attend. Matt Dickey, Superintendent, and Roger
Burrus, Park Board Attorney were also present.
Minutes
Scott Bruns made a motion to approve the October 12, 2011 regular board meeting
minutes as presented. Steve Mueller seconded and the motion passed unanimously.
Public Comments/Presentations
Mr. John Ulmer, with Eagle Creek Watershed Alliance, requested approval of an
interpretative sign to be placed at the USGS gauge station. The sign will be at no expense
to the Board or Town and would be placed between near the path so as to be easily read
by those utilizing the trail surface. The Board needs to approve the sign since it is on Park
property. Ellen noted that there is a new sign package approved and the Board would like
all signs to look the same. She would like Matt to have a final approval of this proposed
sign's message, materials and look, as well as it's placement to ensure it matches the new
look and is placed appropriately at the site.
Mr. Ulmer also discussed the USGS proposal to upgrade the instrumentation at the site
and requested permission of the Park Board for that upgrade to occur.
Mr. Burrus asked about potential vandalism and sign replacement. Mr. Ulmer stated he
did not think this sign would be vandalized, but he thinks it would be easy to replace the
sign if it were to be damaged. There was no discussion of how any such potential sign
repair would be funded.
Mr. Mueller stated he liked the sign and the overall message being conveyed.
Steve Mueller made a motion to approve, pending final approval from the Park
Superintendent once design and location are finalized. Scott Bruns seconded and the
motion passed unanimously.
Mr. Dickey noted there are also plans to upgrade the power at this USGS site and these
upgrades will be placed as part of the instrument upgrade. Ellen was concerned the new
instrumentation might be highly visible and wants it to be placed below the water line or
inside the shack. She would like written assurance of this. Mr. Dickey mentioned that a
USGS Email included some written documentation on this point.
Mr. Clements made a motion to approve the proposed power upgrades and to give final
approval authority to the Park Superintendent (final Supt approval apparently based upon
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a communication about level of instrumentation visibility). Scott Bruns seconded, motion
passed unanimously.
Staff Reports
The reports from the Superintendent of Parks & Recreation, the Assistant Superintendent
for Maintenance Services, and the Naturalist were all part of the Park Board packet and
available for review.
Mr. Dickey began his report by informing the Board about a pipeline notice received. A
section of the Marathon pipeline had been previously exposed through years of natural
erosion (at Starkey Park). Upon arriving in 2009, Mr. Dickey had called it to the attention
of a Marathon engineer on site and pushed that it be appropriately dealt with. The
Marathon representative at that time, noted the pipe did not carry any petroleum products.
At the present time, Marathon has applied for approval to cut that section of pipe from
the stream and cap the ends. They will access the majority of the work from the non-park
bank although obviously there will be some bank-work on the at Starkey Park side. They
are in the permit approval process and it is expected to take several months before any
actual work will commence.
Matt Dickey also updated on the Starkey IPL easement plantings. Things are progressing
nicely with planting cover crops on the hillside areas and the prairie plants are scheduled
to be planted before Thanksgiving. There are also good inroads being made concerning
invasives removal at Starkey, about 8 acres targeted this year in addition to the nearly 6
acres cleaned up in the easement.
Roger Burrus updated Board members on the donation agreement with Family Farms of
Indiana. He is still waiting on the owner’s response. Mr. Burrus asked for comments from
members. He will have a corrected draft agreement at a later meeting. Mr. Mueller stated
he would like to clarify dates of construction so as to tie in any potential restrictions to
the actual stream bank location measurement for the final legal description.
Mr. Burrus has finalized items for 400S 800E property.
Mr. Burrus also reported the Manchester Square agreement has been finalized/recorded.
Mr. Burrus noted ongoing discussion with the attorney representing RL Turner for Elm
Street Green. There was a proposal, and Mr. Burrus responded. He's not heard from RLT
regarding the Board’s counter proposal. He will continue to keep the Board updated.
New Business
None
Old Business:
Joe Mayes, with Rundell Ernstberger Associates (REA) , was present to answer Board
member questions about various components of the Draft Conceptual Master Plan/Phase
One Plan for the New Park at 400E 875S.
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Scott Bruns discussed omitting the dog park, but adding bocce court to meet the “unique”
element in the grant application. After considerable discussion, the Board by consensus,
decided to not remove the dog park concept completely from the Master Plan. But instead
to remove building a dog park component from Phase 1; leaving the designed space for it
so that the dog park (as originally envisioned) could be placed in the park at a later date if
so desired. The ~$16,000 that becomes available then would be targeted to the Bocce
court concept (for two courts). This would satisfy the "uniqueness requirement".
Steve Mueller then noted the tot playground equipment should be in this phase of
development. He believed it was in the bid estimate, but not on the plans. It was
discussed it was shown on one of the sheets of plans (but at this conceptual level, was just
a labeled colored swath).
Steve also asked about restrooms. He stated that in his opinion restrooms are very
important to park users and he would like to have this component in the park. He would
prefer not to have that attached to the fire station, requiring folks to walk that distance
from the play components to the adjacent fire station building. He would like this added
to the bid documents.
Joe Mayes noted that with the budget constraints, the Board probably should not add a
stand-alone restroom facility for the Phase 1 development. The cost of the facility and
required sewer would be about 1/2 of the overall target Phase 1 budget and therefore
would not be a good choice as an add (or deduct) alternate. It was further noted from the
detailed restroom estimates provided by the consultants (and based on a similarly sized
restroom built in a central Indiana park), that building a restroom before the Fire Station
ran in their required sanitary sewers would cost considerable additional money.
REA's detailed conceptual estimates provided to the Board earlier that week, showed that
a restroom component, built at the time of the fire station and as a part of that
construction process would share in some of the station's economy of scale, not require
running 1000's of feet of separate sewer line, and therefore cost about $91,476. REA's
separate restroom building estimates, built before and as a separate construction process
the fire station, and with running our own force main system, those figures came in at a
figure of ~169,785. If the Board built a separate standalone building, before the fire
station ran their own required sewers, and built a gravity system to take the waste away;
it would be a higher initial cost then a force main system and higher yet than a restroom
built at the time of the fire station and benefiting of the service line they would have to
install. REA's estimate placed that number for a gravity system built as a standalone
building and prior to the fire station at ~$228,690 (but with lower yearly maintenance
costs than a force main system and no eventual pump replacement costs).
Also while a force main has cheaper initial install; it has higher ongoing maintenance and
operation costs as it requires a sewage grinder pump that needs maintenance and eventual
replacement. Force main pumps also typically have alarms for power failures or other
pump stoppages which may force requirements for phone lines or some other remote
notification. This is why, according to Dennis Mackey, gravity systems are always
preferable and wastewater sanitation facilities are built with gravity-feed unless that is
just not feasible.
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Ellen Butz mentioned that perhaps "nice" portable restrooms might be a temporary and
viable, cost saving alternative until the fire station is completed.
Joe Mayes suggested more refined numbers could be generated as his firm goes through
the formal design and engineering for all the park elements. The Board can then use those
numbers to help with making a final decision. This would require additional design fees.
If so desired, Board will need to take action on an updated contract for construction
documentation; perhaps including restroom building design, which mandates additional
survey and infrastructure design. Steve Mueller asked for an updated design and
paperwork incorporating elements discussed in this and the previous board meetings so
they can make a thoughtful decision at next month’s meeting. Mr. Mayes stated he will
prepare those; getting the information to the members prior to the December meeting.
Moving on, Mr. Mueller brought forward discussion points by the Communications
Advisory Committee for the Park Department website. He described the type of content
his committee would like to see on the web (maps, rules, general park highlights, etc.).
Steve has met with Joe Rust about site content and management. Steve noted there are
still some issues with the Town web site as a whole as well as with park specific
documents. Document management will be an ongoing issue for all.
Ellen expressed her desire to have a clean, easily readable home page. She also asked if
every park document needs to be on the website. Certainly the Board agenda and minutes
should, but does every report (Superintendent, Maintenance Report, etc.) need to be
there. It was discussed that the Town Council Departmental highlight reports are also
present and taken together with the posted agenda and the minutes when they are
formally approved... probably represents a sufficient Board level communication at the
monthly level. Obviously special notices are a potential if deemed needed.
Scott Bruns questioned if there needs to be a specified document manager for parks.
Scott asked Matt Dickey if he would have the time on a regular basis to manage the
website and upload the appropriate documents in a timely manner in addition to all the
other responsibilities his position entailed. Matt noted if there is a heavy load of either
"regular work" or web site content to add, replace, or adjust, that would be difficult.
Creating new content that is appropriate and approved to be placed on the web site will
be harder than putting on already approved, created documents. Many larger departments
would have availability of a separate web-site designee and the parks is the smallest
department. The degree of variability and flexibility being discussed as potentials for the
park web pages could suggest a great deal of weekly or even perhaps daily changes.
There was consensus that there needs to be clear direction and clear responsibilities so no
tasks are redundant but also that no information slips through the cracks. Members spent
some time discussing particular items for inclusion. These include: grant programs,
volunteer opportunities, park descriptions, rules and procedures, and estate planning.
Citizen Advisory Committee Reports:
Land Resources – Phil Howard. No report.
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Finance/ Funding – Neal Clements. Neal has met with Superintendent Dickey to discuss
and assign grant responsibilities. He gave a brief update on the urban forestry grant
application and the proposed plan (focusing on supplementing and perhaps expanding
already existing initiatives).
Communications – Steve Mueller. The Friends group has decided to hold Z’GreenFest at
the Zion Nature Center next spring (April 22nd). There will be an emphasis on education
at the 2012 festival and the Park Board should have an opportunity for a table. Steve also
raised the question if the Boy Scouts could be utilized for invasive species removal. This
time he considered it would be honeysuckle, which is more difficult than pulling garlic
mustard as it involves at least hand saws (if not power saws), and chemical applications
to be effective.
Recreation –Scott Bruns. The main focus continues to be negotiations with ZYFL and
Mulberry Fields use. Scott hopes to bring forward something soon for the Board to
consider.
Facilities– Ellen Butz. No report.
Other Board Related Items
None
Claims
Neal Clements made a motion to approve the claims. Scott Bruns seconded and the
motion passed unanimously.
The meeting was then adjourned with a motion made by Neal Clements and seconded by
Steve Mueller at ~8:43 PM.
______________________________ ____________________________
Scott Bruns, Secretary Ellen Butz, President
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Agenda
Zionsville Board of Parks & Recreation
Regular Monthly Meeting Agenda
Wednesday, November 9, 2011 at 7:00 P.M.
Zionsville Town Hall, Bev Harves Room
Call to Order/Roll Call
- Approval of the regular meeting minutes (10/12/11).
Public Presentations/Comments
- Potential USGS Gage Upgrades at Creekside Park & Potential Interpretative Sign at "Instrument Shack"
Staff Reports
- Department Superintendent
- Assistant Superintendent for Maintenance Services
- Zion Nature Center, Interpretative Naturalist
- Park Board Attorney
New Business
- None Identified
Old Business
- Board action upon New Park Conceptual Plan, the Phase 1 components, and construct/bid doc development
- Board discussion on Park Department portion of Town web site
Updates on Park Board's Citizen Advisory Committees (various Board Chairs)
Other Board Related Items
- None Identified
Claims
Adjournment
- Next regular meeting is currently scheduled for 12/14/11 at 7 PM
FYI: Occasionally, at the end of the Park Board Member’s Packets, are placed a series of informational items. Generally not for Board action, they
serve to provide additional detail about parks-related topics (but not necessarily direct business items). Newspaper clippings might be one example.
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