Zionsville Town Council
Regular MeetingZionsville, IN · November 15, 2021
Minutes
Zionsville Town Council
November 15, 2021
ZIONSVILLE TOWN COUNCIL
MEETING MINUTES
FOR
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 15, 2021
AT 7:30 A.M. EST
ONSITE MEETING
1100 West Oak Street
This meeting was conducted onsite. All Councilors participated in person.
Council Members Present: Josh Garrett, President; Jason Plunkett, Vice-President; Brad Burk,
Alex Choi, Craig Melton, and Bryan Traylor
Council Members Absent: Joe Culp
Also Present: Heather Harris, Town Council Attorney; Mayor Emily Styron, Deputy Mayor Julie
Johns-Cole, Liz Qua and Stacy Snively, Boone County Habitat for Humanity; Amy Lacy,
Municipal Relations Coordinator; Lance Lantz, Director of Department of Public Works; Tammy
Havard, Chief Financial Officer, and other Town Department Staff.
1. OPENING
Garrett I call this meeting to order. You guys don’t even have to sit down because we
will rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.
All Pledge.
2. APPROVAL OF THE MEMORANDUM OF THE NOVEMBER 1, 2021
REGULAR MEETING (copy posted)
Garrett All right. We have the approval of the memorandum of the November 1, 2021
regular meeting. A copy has been posted. Unless there are any questions, I’ll
make a motion to approve.
Burk Second.
Garrett Second from Councilor Burk. All in favor?
All Aye.
Garrett Any opposed?
[No response.]
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Garrett The memorandum of the November 1, 2021 regular Town Council meeting is
approved by a vote of 6 in favor, 0 opposed.
3. REQUEST TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM
Garrett We’ve got requests to speak on agenda items. I’ve got three requests to speak.
First up is—well, I’ll just set the rules. You’ve got three minutes. If you come up,
please give your name and address for the record. I’ll start your three minutes
after that point. Bethany Narkiewicz. Probably murdered that. I apologize.
Narkiewicz I’m Bethany Narkiewicz. I reside at 10005 Oak Ridge Drive. I serve on the
Pedestrian Mobility Advisory Committee. On behalf of the committee, we
believe that the Town Council should vote in favor of the crosswalk at 975 East
and Oak Ridge Drive as well as the additional appropriation for the signage and
the pavement markings. Two years ago, my son, James and I, presented right
here to the Safety Board regarding that intersection. At that time, the community
support was strong. We gathered over 200 signatures in two weeks and the Safety
Board had approved it for further evaluation. It took some time but I’m grateful
to see this be before you here today. The crosswalk will improve the safety for so
many kids and adults crossing 975 for multiple reasons to commute to and from
PVE, ZMS and the high school as well as many individuals and families that use
Oak Ridge as their route to the Rail Trail, Turkey Foot, Azionaqua and the
Village. I think the walk- and bike-ability of Zionsville is one of our greatest
assets. Our streets and paths are used year-round by runners, walker and bikers of
all ages. It’s amazing to drive past our schools and see so many kids, either on
foot or on bike. The opportunity being presented today is just another stop in
improving the safety of our community. There is more work to be done but we
are confident things are moving in the right direction. On behalf of the
committee, we would like to thank Mayor Styron and Mr. Lantz for their efforts
up to today leading to this moment and for allowing community members like
ourselves to participate and contribute to the process. Thank you for your time.
Garrett Thanks, Bethany. Appreciate it. Thanks for serving on that committee as well.
Next, we’ll got Pauline Coderre.
Coderre Hi, good morning. My name is Pauline Coderre and I live at 872 Franklin Trace
over in Colony Square. I as well, serve with Bethany on the committee and I’m
very grateful for the amount of time and effort that Lance and his team and the
Mayor have given us for consideration. I think you’ll see that the analysis is
extremely objective. It is a difficult task to manage all of the wants and needs of
the community. I think you’ve probably heard everybody wants a crosswalk,
right? Well, I think you see that this committee has been very objective in
defining where, when and how to crosswalk for consistency. I want to share that
my son was hit by a car crossing Hal Sharpe Road. The car was going 37 miles
per hour. I do not think that traffic signs alone will deter people from not paying
attention. I think the things that you’ll see later are almost required in this day
and age because people just—they don’t see what they don’t see, you know. You
see it so many times, you don’t even pay attention anymore. And, some people
don’t even realize how fast they’re going. So, I encourage you to please, to
definitely consider this and fund this project. It’s extremely important to the
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community and I concur with Bethany. Walkability and safety is really one of the
things that people are looking for in a community. It increases our property
values and provides safe access for all the beautiful and wonderful things that
this Town provides for our citizens. So, thank you.
Garrett Thanks, Pauline. Thanks for service as well on that community and I apologize I
butchered your name. I’ve got an easy one last, Jordan Walters. I think I got that
one right.
Walters Hi, I’m Jordan Walters. I reside at 9883 Oakridge Drive. I’d like each of you to
consider a vote to approve the crosswalk. I didn’t know I was speaking this
morning so I didn’t prepare anything. One thing I can tell you is that myself and
the father next to us, Eric Laue, stand in the middle of the street just about every
morning to stop traffic. It’s gotten the attention of the local police. Sometimes,
they bring a squad car there. That tells me in itself, there’s an issue. There’s an
issue. If you look at, uh, Oak Ridge Drive, it’s become a drag race strip. People
cut through to get to, to get to whatever. They don’t stop at the stop signs. A lot
of our kids who are driving and they’re, they’re married to their phones. When I
was 11 years old—I grew up in Houston, Texas—I got drilled by a truck crossing
a road without a crosswalk. It’s a very important issue to me. My kids are 8 and
11. I don’t want another kid to have to deal with what I dealt with. Um, this is
simple. It isn’t a political issue. The money’s there. It’s a safety issue. Let’s keep
the kids safe. Let’s keep families safe. Crossing the street. It’s not difficult.
Please don’t make it political. Okay? Thank you.
Garrett Thanks, Jordan. Appreciate it. That is it for requests to speak. Anything else?
Lacy No, that’s all we have.
Garrett All right.
4. MAYOR/ADMINISTRATION UPDATE
Garrett Next we’ve got Mayor and administration update. Amy, anything on there?
Lacy I do not have an update today.
Garrett I think, Jason, you had asked for an update last meeting.
Plunkett Yes, as you know, we were told in the October meeting about a strategic plan,
specific to staffing needs with the Fire Department and the Police Department
and we were just asking for an update on the timeline when that’s going to be
completed, hopefully at this meeting but it sounds like that’s not the case.
Lacy I don’t have that information for you at this meeting. I know they are working on
it and hopefully at the next meeting we’ll have more information.
Plunkett Okay. Thank you.
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5. OLD BUSINESS
None
6. NEW BUSINESS
A. Boone County Habitat for Humanity Presentation
Garrett Next, we’ve got new business. First up, we’ve got the Boone County Habitat for
Humanity presentation with Liz Qua who is the executive director of Habitat for
Humanity and Stacy Snively, board member. There’s not a vote on this
councilors. This is just a presentation.
Qua Good morning. I’m Liz Qua, executive director of Habitat for Humanity. This is
Stacy Snively, one of my amazing board members. And, I just appreciate the
time to share our mission for Habitat for Humanity of Boone County. First of all,
our fame is that we were the first affiliate in Indiana. We’ve been building houses
since 1984 so we’ve been around for quite a while. We are just finishing our 67th
house. And, if you’ve heard, Habitat for Humanity is a hand up not a handout so
we are a needs-based program in the community. We build only in Boone County
and we fundraise, you know, for building only in Boone County. So, when our
applicants come to us at an orientation, they apply, and we verify their need by
doing some kind of home inspection. Most of our people are living, probably 60
to 70 percent of them are living with family and friends because they can’t afford
the rent here in Boone County or elsewhere. They don’t have to live in Boone
County to get a house here. They just have to want to live here. So, they have a
need. They pay us back a mortgage. So, they have a mortgage just like any of
you might have a mortgage or had a mortgage. The best part about it is it’s 0
percent interest. It’s a 30-year loan and that, you know, that just is a partnership
piece. And, then the biggest part is they have to do sweat equities. They do 100
hours of sweat equity, 200 total, 100 hours on the build site. They learn how to
take care of their home, how their house is built. For a lot of them, they’ve never
used a saw or a hammer before so it’s really good training on how to take care of
the house. And, then, they do 50 hours of classes in Boone County which is like a
financial and then there is also a class at The Caring Center that they take and
then they can have family and friends donate 50 hours. So, it really is an amazing
program. It’s run by volunteers. We have a family services team that selects the
homeowners and works with them, volunteer budget coaches, volunteer mentors.
It’s a very holistic, uh, holistic program, so, Stacy will share a little bit more.
Snively I’ve been a part of Habitat for the last 11 years. And, right now, part of the reason
we are here is because we are out of land. So, for the first time, since I have been
part of this organization, we are going into winter and we have nothing to build
on. So, this is the very first time we’ve been in this situation. That is due to the
availability and the affordability of land right now. And, that is across Boone
County so it’s not just Zionsville. We’ve never built in Zionsville. The majority
of our donor base is here but we’ve never built in this community. We’ve built in
Jamestown, Thorntown, Lebanon, Whitestown but across all those communities
we can’t find anything to build on. So, we have the funds. For the first time ever
we actually have a Zionsville resident that has donated $125,000 to fund one
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entire house. So, we have the money; we just don’t have the land so that’s why
we are here today is to see if you can consider donating a piece of property.
Garrett And, that piece of property, I believe, has been identified, correct?
Snively Correct. It is, let me pull the address. It is next to the Fire Department. It’s at
5929 South 700 East Whitestown. So, it’s directly next to the fire station, across
the street from the Boys and Girls Club. It’s an ideal location for us. If you
consider the location, the proximity to the schools, the Boys and Girls Club, yes,
shopping, access to the interstate for jobs and things like that. So, it’s an ideal
piece of property. It is just over 2 acres so obviously it’s a large parcel of land.
Yes, it would, it would set us up for this coming spring. We generally start
building in April. Like I said, we’re just in a dire situation so we are –
Qua We have a line of people that really need affordable housing. Most of our
families have children so we built for 11 children this year. A beautiful Syrian
family was one of our—we’re excited to bring that diversity to our community.
That was in Lebanon. Yes, we are desperate. There’s no other way to say it. I
mean, in our time, Stacy’s been around for 11 years. I’ve been around for 7 and
we’ve never not had land. It’s very scary to move into this, you know, when
you’re passionate about a project and you want to see it continue and you don’t
have land for that, so. We appreciate the consideration.
Garrett My understanding is there could be up to two homes on the land we’re talking
about. This is land I think that we had acquired for pathway—that’s not a
question for you guys, more of a statement—I think, Councilors, the reason why
we have the presentation today is just to make sure if there is any objection to
that potential because we would have to take that land that we acquired and then
turn it over or part of it over to Habitat. They wanted to find out the openness of
us to having that.
Traylor Just for clarity, that’s the property that we purchased so we could put the
sidewalk through, right?
Garrett Correct. That is correct. Any questions for the ladies here?
Traylor Has that house been cleared that was there?
Snively There’s a house and a garage on the property.
Traylor It is currently still there?
Qua It’s a beautiful piece of property. There are mature trees. It won’t look, you
know, brand new. I mean, there’s going to be, you know, existing landscape
around it.
Garrett And, part of the discussion we had was if this body chose to donate the land to
Habitat, it would be sort of as is, so there’s no financial requirement of the Town
to have to bulldoze that property. They didn’t talk about potentially reusing the
garage if it makes sense. So, it’s something that, it’s just the donation of the land.
There’s no sort of site prep work that would have to be done.
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Snively No additional expense to the Town.
Qua Yes, we have great partnerships that can help with that.
Garrett Yes, very good.
Burk I’m not opposed to it in any way. I think it sounds fantastic and thank you for
coming. It’s right next—I mean, is there any need, is there any need that the Fire
Department would, Jamie just walked in, but is there any since it’s right next
door, is there any potential thought that since it’s right there that we would be
maybe giving something away that we might want in the future that would be
right there. Are there any plans for use for that for the Fire Department? Are they
seeing any potential use for that down the road?
Garrett My understanding and certainly someone is welcome to come up and correct me
if I’m wrong is there’s been no currently identified use for that land. I know the
Fire Department, maybe Police, too, has used that structure for training in the
past but there’s no, like expansion plans for that fire station that this would
interfere. There is easements that would remain for the path and some of the
infrastructure that we would not give away that wouldn’t impact this project.
Burk Thank you.
Qua Just a portion of the property would be absolutely wonderful, too. If something
needs to be left there for the Fire Department, you know. And, I don’t know if
they’ve used that—we have in the past gotten donated properties where we have
allowed fire departments and police departments to come in and use for their
training and then we take the house down. I don’t know if it’s been used for that
purpose yet, but, you know. We really enjoy that partnership.
Melton So, it’s 4 acres, its 2 acres, is that correct. So, the max is one home per acre?
Qua We would follow whatever local building codes—
Snively Whatever the—
Melton Just wondering if there is a way to get more homes or more use out of that
property if it’s, you know, since it’s altogether and I guess I’m a little concerned
with the maintenance of the two acres after there’s a home on it and who’s
responsible for that but other than that I think—
Melton It could be a good use of property.
Garrett And, we had had that discussion. The problem is per our own zoning is that once
you get over two, you then become a neighborhood and that then starts becoming
a lot more of a barrier to overcome for infrastructure you’ve got to put in and turn
lanes and things like that which is why Habitat was looking at two given their
land need. Kind of the path of least resistance was that, although I do share your
concern about a new homeowner with an acre lot making sure they’ve got the
tools to, to success.
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Snively And, like you said, if we could make it less, the lot size, and if the Town kept a
portion of it, then, you know. Really, I don’t know what the street frontage
minimum is so we could do whatever minimum street frontage would be required
to minimize, you know, the size of the lot.
Garrett I mean, building any home in Zionsville starts the same process, materials,
requirements that exist so it’s really just the land donation, there’s no other ask.
Any concerns, I guess, Councilors, if they started this process? Okay, all right.
Well, appreciate the good work you guys.
Snively Thank you.
Qua Appreciate your having us.
Garrett Thanks for coming.
B. Crosswalks Presentation and Consideration of a Resolution Establishing
a Crosswalk Location in Zionsville, Indiana
Resolution 2021-17
Garrett Okay, next we’ve got a crosswalks presentation and consideration of a resolution
establishing a crosswalk location in Zionsville. Mr. Lantz, this is your show. This
is Resolution #2021-17.
Lantz Thank you and good morning, Council. Kind of excited to be here this morning
and bring you the dawn of a new day here in Zionsville. I think this is going to
pave the way for lots of opportunities in the future. Thank you for the comments
that came from the audience this morning and as soon as we get going here, very
good. I’m not showing this on my computer. I will go off of the screen. As you
see on your agenda, you have a resolution establishing a crosswalk based on the
DPW’s recommendation. Before we get there, I’d like to have a little bit of a
discussion about crosswalks. Hopefully, this is going to ring familiar to some and
this is probably new information for others.
So, we have basically a three-tiered presentation this morning. First, a review of
crosswalks, our evaluation and methodologies we use in-house and then specific
to the resolution, a recommendation on the location on County Road 975 East.
Crosswalks 101. There seems to be, I’ve encountered a lot of confusion, both by
drivers and pedestrians on exactly what a crosswalk does. So, we are here talking
about mid-block crosswalks and this is going to be the last of the pretty pictures.
There’s going to be a lot of words after this. But, a mid-block crosswalk is a
location that’s marked for pedestrians to cross where traffic is not required to
stop due to existing traffic control devices. What does the law say? I’ve seen a lot
of permutations of this law in websites, on websites that are specific to
pedestrians and they talk about what the law is, so I thought there’s no better way
to talk about the law than to take it right out of the Indiana code which says and
I’m going to read this awkwardly phrased wording.
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When traffic control signals are not in place or not in operation,
a person who drives a vehicle shall yield the right of way
slowing down or stopping if necessary to yield to a pedestrian
crossing the roadway within a crosswalk when the pedestrian is
upon the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle is traveling
or when the pedestrian is approaching closely from the opposite
half of the roadway.
Leave it to the state to make a simple concept as awkwardly stated as possible.
So, what this says is basically, don’t hit somebody on the road. What it doesn’t
say is that pedestrian has the first right to take a step upon the roadway. So, this
is saying that vehicles still have the right even at a marked crosswalk location,
they still have the right of way over pedestrians who are waiting to cross. What
are some of the pitfalls? Obviously, they can be a good and valuable tool in any
community but these prevent or provide, you’ll see driver confusion and
pedestrian confusion. You’ve probably even encountered a time when a
considerate vehicle had stopped to allow someone to cross a roadway but yet the
other direction of traffic has not. The pedestrian doesn’t know whether to go,
whether to stop, whether to wait, to acknowledge the person who stopped. So,
there is confusion on all user sides of these locations. And, remember—well,
pedestrian frustration. You heard the comment of people, you know, walking out
into the road trying to compel people to stop. You may have pushed a button, you
may have some flashing lights and you don’t understand why people aren’t
stopping for you. So, it, it leads to frustration of the pedestrian and perhaps
unsafe behavior if they get frustrated enough to say, “Look, I’m just going.”
Remember, that we are telling the importance of this exercise is we are assuming
liability because we are telling people that you should expect a reasonable level
of safety when you cross the road at this location. So, again, we’ve talked about
inconsistent reactions by both drivers and pedestrians and even in the state
statute, it talks about false starts, pedestrians making movements as though
they’re going to cross to try to compel people to stop. And, of course, nobody
really likes to think about this when we’re talking about the safety of pedestrians,
adults as well as children making their way to school. But, multiple locations of
these and the driver confusions and the inconsistent behaviors can really disrupt
traffic flow during peak flow times.
So, as we do with every situation, we have guidance documents. The Indiana
Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices covers this under Chapter 4C which
is addressing pedestrian signal crossing warrants. Now, this is the most often
referred to section in this manual which establishes our rules and regulations by
which we should follow. And there are a number of factors that go into it, posted
speed limits, number of lanes, pedestrians, etcetera and even community
population under some of these warrants. Now, this is a signalization warrant.
There is no specific section that says, ‘marked crosswalk.’ All right, so you’ve
got to find the code that best fits when you evaluate these. What it does is distill
several of these factors into a very basic graph. Across the x-axis at the bottom,
you have vehicles per hour and on the y-axis up the side you have the number of
pedestrians. You can see to even get onto this level, this threshold, you’ve got to
have in excess of 100 pedestrians per hour. So, these are really geared towards
college campuses, highly urbanized areas downtown. Frankly, we’re just
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probably never going to have the opportunity or the occasion in our community
to meet these warrants. However, the methodology is sound.
So, what do we do? Let’s take these principles. Let’s develop our own decision,
local decision criteria so that we can justify and quantify needs at these locations.
Sometime ago, I polled our peer communities, Noblesville, Carmel, the usual
cast of characters, what do you guys do? And, it ran the gamut, anywhere from if
it makes sense and we all kind of nod and agree, we’ll go ahead and put a
crosswalk in on one end of the spectrum up to the extreme which really was
Noblesville and they said, if they don’t meet the MUTCD standards, we’re not
going to consider this location at all. So, there’s quite a variety of approaches
across all communities.
So, taking that methodology that’s contained in the MUTCD, we wanted to come
up with a local decision criteria to avoid subjectivity, you know, why here, why
not there and use solid data-driven decision processes. So, we came up with a
three-tiered approach.
The first is, very high level, a series of about 7 questions, yes/no. If it passes
muster at first blush, then we say, we have a location we should take a look at in
more depth. Step 2 is the data collection and finally 3 is looking specifically at
this site to see what existing conditions may warrant special considerations.
So, that initial high-level scoring. Again, I told you there are about seven
questions and this is simple yes/no, yes being a positive trait, no being a negative
trait. If you hit four of those or more, then we would take this location and
advance it to a data collection.
Phase 2 being data collection. How much use is there? We go out and we have to
take counts and we want to make sure that we capture these counts in the prime
conditions. Spring and fall basically when the weather is good, people are out
actually walking. They’re not kept indoors for other reasons and that school is in
session so that we can get a picture of the maximized use of these locations.
Then, of course, we always have recent traffic data in-house that we can use to
compare to the pedestrian volumes. Going back on the left side of that chart, it
shows you the MUTCD chart, the one that I don’t think we’d ever find a location
that would pass muster with that. And way down there in the lower left-hand
corner is a sense of scale is where we are establishing our local criteria. Things
that we think are breakpoints for our needs locally. And, of course, that on the
right side, that scale there is that local threshold blown up. And, you can see we
have a basic criteria of 10 pedestrians per hour. I will mention, if I have not
already, that when you take pedestrian counts, it’s a generally accepted practice
to count youths or students twice.
Finally, the third phase of the evaluation process is what you often may hear me
refer to an engineering opinion and that’s taking a look from a critical point of
what specifically is at the site, what may need to be changed. Is there anything
there that does not support a crosswalk that can’t be changed or modified? After
we run through these three tiers of evaluation, then, as you heard the Pedestrian
Mobility Advisory Committee is an ad hoc committee to advise the Mayor and
integrate with staff. So, we bring these back at each phase of our evaluations and
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have a discussion with this community. Is where we’re going making sense? Our
scoring process is dynamic in that if we find some anomalies exist that may force
us to tweak our process, we are, of course, prepared to do that. Assuming
everything—and a location is found to be favorable, then we would develop a
specific design and we would recommend to you the resolution which you will
hear shortly per Section 70.29 of the Code of Ordinances which authorizes the
Town Council to establish crosswalks and other safety zones and because we are
going to use a more robust signage plan, we will typically come to you at the
request to buy the actual flashers because those are not wildly expensive but they
are outside of the typical scope of what we would purchase throughout the year
under our normal operating funds.
We planned this PMAC, this PMAC has identified 12-13 locations around town.
Eight of those dozen or so have scored well at the initial high-level scoring so we
are going to be looking at two locations a year as we proposed to do, one in the
spring and one in the fall, to capture those optimal times. Each one of these
locations results in at least 60 hours of staff, of video time essentially, watching
videos and counting people. So, it’s not without a significant effort that goes into
capturing this data. As I mentioned, we are going to establish what’s called the
rapid rectangular flashing beacon or the RRFB signage at most locations. There
may be occasions where this is not warranted but this is going to be for all
practical purposes our baseline signage plan and the purpose or the reason that
we’ll be asking for additional funding as these locations come to you—we
currently have three of these around Town, one at 5th and Oak which was
established in a process just like this several years ago as well as a couple out
near the Hampshire subdivision which resulted from a commitment made of the
developer by the Plan Commission.
Finally, part III, the last part specific to this location at County Road 975, also
referred to as Pleasant View Road at Oak Ridge Drive. We ran this, we have run
this through our scoring process and it passed with flying colors at each stage.
Here you can see we’ve plotted again, that 27 pedestrians is an adjusted count,
counting youths twice so we are well above our local threshold for consideration.
And, although we are doing this work in-house and should you approve this
location, we will be doing this in-house, that’s what we do, come up with our
specific plans to that location. It’s a sign plan. You can see there in the left in the
large diagram and then, there are some sidewalk modifications because these
crosswalks are appropriate for all users regardless of ability.
With that, it is our recommendation at the location of County Road 975 East and
its intersection with Oak Ridge Drive that this location meets all of our local
evaluation criteria, it is an appropriate and justified location for the establishment
of a marked crosswalk which will meet all design standards and that the
community will benefit from the provision of this crosswalk. Thus ends the third
and final part of my presentation this morning. I’m happy to answer any
questions or having any further discussion that you would like to have.
Otherwise, we can move on to the resolution as you guys see fit.
Garrett Questions, councilors? Is there, Lance, is there software that can do the
pedestrian counting for you versus the 60 hours of time?
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Lantz Very expensive because you’ve got to have—it’s a recognition-type software and
it does develop a metric but we can go out for essentially no cost and capture the
data. All of the cost is in the processing, the post-processing so if a person does
not watch it, you still have to stop check it. You don’t necessarily, can trust the
software so you’ve got to do data checks and that, you can use those for any type
of study but it’s in the thousands of dollars and I just don’t feel it’s justified when
you can watch video at four times the speed give or take and quickly get to those
areas of concentrated use. Just because we have 60 hours of video doesn’t mean
we watch 60 hours.
Garrett Okay, that’s I guess what I was wondering about. I, my fear with these has
always been if one comes in front of us, then next meeting, they’ll be a hundred.
So, I appreciate the process of quantifying what they are and saying how many
we’re doing and scoring them before they get here so that we aren’t just
subjectively saying, you know, yes, nay and have data behind it, so I appreciate
this approach and approving these. So, thank you for that.
Lantz Absolutely. And, as I said, this is a dynamic process and if we encounter glitches
we can, weight scores, we can take any number of steps to make sure this aligns
with the goals and directives and needs or our community.
Plunkett Yes, I’m glad to see it. Obviously, we reviewed this particular area in a Safety
Board a couple years ago and it’s been a specific point of emphasis for folks in
my district, obviously this is in my district and even so much so that, you know,
the Mayor and I discussed it in our September one-on-one. So, I appreciate the
process that you’ve gone through. And, for the record, I’m certainly supportive
of it.
Lantz Thank you.
Choi Just a question. This isn’t necessarily for this meeting but these kind of things, do
they necessarily need to come before Council? It seems like it’s a process that
could be made at the administrative level. Is it because of appropriations that it
has to come before Council? I’m guessing it’s in the statutes somewhere.
Garrett Yes, I think just to be safe I think we’re running them through Council but given
there’s only up to two a year, I thought it was appropriate and, as Mr. Lantz said,
they’ll probably be an appropriation that follows each one of these given the
flashing requirements and so, I didn’t think it was burdening down the agenda
too much.
Choi No, no. I don’t know mind hearing about them, but it seems like something that a
decision like anything else, that could be made at the administrative level. It
doesn’t seem like it needs Council approval necessarily, so.
Garrett It is in the—
Harris I think we’re going to say the same thing. I think it’s because in Zionsville,
Councilor Choi, we have the traffic code in our Code of Ordinances so we
typically list out the, you know, crosswalks, speed bumps, streets, speed limits
and so, you know, I think we’ve typically handled it. You’d have to go actually
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back in the salary or into the Code of Ordinances and amend that traffic code so
that’s why it comes back through the Council.
Lantz We could certainly take a look if it’s your desire ever in the future to remove this
reference in the code. As Heather mentioned, unlike traffic code which will
specifically list locations, there is no tabular summary within our code. It just
says you can establish them; it doesn’t track them within the code. So, if you like,
we could take a look at moving this to an administrative function in the future. Of
course, any funds requested would have to come back before you.
Choi Funds requested, I understand. I’m just thinking back to when we were
discussing stop signs before or speed bumps before, that those kinds of things I
don’t see as necessarily needing to come before Council to talk about.
Lantz Stop signs absolutely would have to because it is in the traffic code and each stop
location is identified in our traffic code so you guys are still the masters of the
local traffic laws. So, there are certain elements that will always come to you but
there are some like this that we could look to make more of an administrative
function as well. And, of course, in the future, I won’t be so long-winded with
these. We’ll jump right to the recommendation at the end, right?
Choi I wasn’t criticizing you for that.
Lantz So, this is hopefully the last time you’ll have to see the whole dog and pony
show.
Choi Okay.
Melton Lance, you mentioned Hampshire has one that’s been committed to. As
Zionsville develops more in the future, is that something, is there some kind of
trigger to instigate that application, to have those as more developments come?
Lantz This was a unique situation that goes back many years ago to Hampshire’s first
iteration back in the mid-2000s. It involved a rezone and when a rezone comes
before the Plan Commission, that opens the door to exactions that can be made
on the developer. However, we don’t want the development process to usurp our
own internal process. So, when we have these locations that may be associated or
in proximity to a new development or they’re going to contribute substantially, it
may be something that is requested of the developer but I don’t think at this point
it could be mandated.
Melton And, so, the developer of Hampshire paid for that?
Lantz There are two that the Plan Commission required of Hampshire to install. Due to
the nature of that when that subdivision began its life, it was trifurcated. There
are—it existed on several sides of a roadway. There was a centralized community
amenity center. So, you had residents living across a county road that would
arguably be frequently attending or going to the amenity center. So, because of
that relationship, the Plan Commission thought it prudent to establish these and
require them of the developer through the rezone process. And, of course, the
northern—there are two associated, one on 500 South and one on 400 South—the
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one on 400 South ended up serving what is becoming the big four corridor
because that corridor has been realigned to afford some conflicts with residences
and so now that’s actually a very valuable crossing because we’re using it for the
big four crossing.
Melton Thank you.
Garrett Any other questions, councilors? Or any motions?
Plunkett I would make a motion to approve Resolution #2021-17.
Traylor Second.
Garrett Councillor Plunkett, I heard Councilor Traylor first. All in favor, aye?
All Aye.
Garrett All opposed?
[No response.]
Garrett Resolution #2021-17 is approved by a vote of 6 in favor, 0 opposed.
Lantz Thank you.
Garrett Thank you, Mr. Lantz. Now, we’ve got to pay for it.
C. Consideration of a Resolution for an Additional Appropriation for Signs
and Pavement Markings for Crosswalk (975 E & Oak Ridge Drive)
Resolution 2021-18 – PUBLIC HEARING
Garrett So, we’ve got a consideration for a resolution for an addition appropriation for
signs and pavement markings for crosswalk 975 East at Oak and Oak Ridge
Drive. This is Resolution #2021-18. Lance, anything you want to add to that or
Tammy, anything you want to add to that?
Lantz No, I will just point out this is in the Cumulative Capital Improvement Fund, the
CCIF which is typically a very low balance. There’s only about 200,000 dollars
in there and I believe that brings in about 50,000 dollars a year. It’s not a big
account for you to consider and I don’t know that next year there is currently
anything contemplated in this budget so this is kind of just a low value fund that
sits around until it’s got enough to do something or we find a specific use that
would be appropriate for it. So, as mentioned, this is to fund specifically the
flashing light assemblies as well as what we call hot tape or the robust plastic
heated application pavement markings to delineate the crosswalk.
Garrett Dollar amount if I remember right is 7,000 dollars.
Lantz Nine thousand dollars.
Garrett I was close.
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Lantz As I recall. I’m trying to click and talk at the same time.
Garrett Well, it’s not that much either way. Councilors, any questions? Actually, this is a
public hearing so I will—we have proof of publication—if anyone wants to come
and speak on this matter, we’ll open the public hearing. All right, I’ll close the
public hearing.
Burk Hey, Josh, I was just signing those. Did you say what the cost was in a specific
dollar amount or we don’t know?
Garrett It’s up to 9 thousand dollars. Let me find out the exact amount.
Choi It says 9 thousand.
Garrett There we go. Yep, nine grand. Any questions, concerns? Motions?
Melton Motion to approve Resolution #2021-18?
Burk Second.
Garrett Motion from Councilor Melton, a second from Councilor Burk. All in favor?
All Aye.
Garrett All opposed?
[No response.]
Garrett Resolution #2021-18 passes with a vote of 6 in favor, 0 opposed. Thank you, Mr.
Lantz.
Lantz Thank you for your time this morning.
7. OTHER MATTERS
Garrett We’ve got other matter, Councilors.
Lacy President Garrett, I have one quick other matter. I just received a message. Per
Chief VanGorder, the strategic fire plan should be completed in December before
the end of the year.
Garrett Very good.
Lacy I just wanted to give you that update.
Garrett Good timing. Thank you, Amy. Appreciate that. Looking forward to seeing that.
So, we were asked to basically retroactively approve an offer letter for Jarod
Logsdon that was dated September 9, 2020 for the Parks Department. Apparently
because of the offer amount. Heather, you explain this. I want to get this right.
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Harris Yes, I know Tammy is here as well and I believe there is also a representative
from the State Board of Accounts who we may want to hear from. So, I’m
looking at Tammy to jump in if I misstate anything. But, my understanding is
that we made an offer to the Parks Department Superintendent in 2020 and that
offer amount was above the amount we published in the Salary Ordinance and so,
we did not come back to the Council at that time to amend the Salary Ordinance.
It was outside the range that we typically give for those types of positions. So,
since that had not been corrected in 2020, we now need to have as part of our
audit for the State Board of Accounts a vote today to approve that amount.
Typically, we would not approve an offer letter for an employee. The Parks
Department under our reorganization and under state statute actually appoints the
superintendent so that’s a position that their board actually would appoint with
consultation from the Mayor which is included in our reorganization. Then,
typically, we, you know, we don’t have any requirement in our reorganization to
come back and amend the salary ordinances. Towns as a best practice use the
Salary Ordinance process but it isn’t mandated like it is for cities so it’s
something we’ve always done. Our reorg requires it specifically and it states that
the Mayor can actually adjust a compensation up or down for her, for employees
of the Town. The only requirement in state statute is that we can’t change the
compensation of officers. So, for any of you as Town Council members or for the
Mayor herself, that position can’t go up or down but for employees she has some
discretion to do that.
So, I think this is really as I look through it, just a clarification for the State
Board of Accounts that we were aware that that position amount was outside of
the published salary ordinance that the Council had previously approved. And,
there are two people here with much more information. Tammy is giving me a
thumbs-up which I feel like is an accomplishment so I’m going to go with that.
Garrett This is just a procedural thing. It’s nothing to do with Mr. Logsdon or his
performance or anything. This is just a check a box for an audit.
Harris Absolutely. I think we missed a step in 2020 and we’re just going back and
making sure that that is clarified so that we can have no exception to the audit for
that particular item.
Garrett So, legally doing this doesn’t violate anything with the State Board of Accounts,
Reorg, anything like that. It’s just—okay.
Harris No, no, nothing like that. No, it does not.
Garrett Any questions on that, Councilors? More technical in nature. With that, then I’ll
make a motion to retroactively approve the offer letter dated September 9, 2020
for Parks Superintendent Logsdon. Any second on that?
Traylor Second.
Garrett Second from Councilor Traylor.
Havard I believe that you have to state the dollar amount and the allowance and they
want to see that in the minutes as well.
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Garrett Let me amend that motion then. I will make a motion to approve the offer letter
dated September 9, 2020 for the Parks Superintendent which includes a starting
salary for the position at 90,000 dollars plus a moving allowance of 8,000 dollars.
Anyone second that?
Melton Second.
Garrett Oh, Councilor Melton beat you this time. All right. All in favor?
All Aye.
Garrett All opposed?
[No response.]
Garrett Very long motion, approved 6 in favor, 0 opposed.
8. APPROVAL OF CLAIMS
Garrett Next, we’ve got claims. Councilors, any questions?
Traylor We’re still on other matters. I hadn’t gotten a chance—
Garrett Oh, sorry, Bryan.
Traylor Yes, I just wanted to clarify one thing and, and I’m not trying to overstep here
but there’s been a lot of, a lot of people asking me and I know probably asking a
few of you, about there’s—and I would invite Joe or the Mayor, either one,
they’re both here, to come up and correct me if anything I say is inaccurate. But,
there’s this OSHA mandate, vaccine mandate that’s in the court system right
now, and through AIM, they’ve advised that Towns and even actually private
sector workers prepare for it as well. But, for people to just be prepared for this
mandate should it go in place. However, there is no mandate going in place on
December 5. It is still in the court system and until it’s out of the court system,
nothing will be going into place as far as mandates go. So, just to clear up any
confusion because I know there’s people in the public that have gotten some
emails and some concern about that. But, if anything I’m saying’s inaccurate, let
me know but I think that’s the case. Until it plays out in court, there is no
mandate going in place for Town of Zionsville employees.
Harris And, I can share a little bit more about that. So, you know, part of the Federal
OSHA requirement that you referenced, Councilor Traylor, requires that if you
are a federal contractor receiving federal funds that you comply with the vaccine
mandate. That date by rule has been moved to January 4. The states, so for
example, the Town of Zionsville because we take federal transportation dollars
and our contracts while they are directly with the state of Indiana, those contracts
state that, you know, we are, all the boilerplate that the feds require. And, there’s
some nuances in that rule which I will share. We’re trying to work through at our
law firm because it is complicated and there’s other things we take like Medicaid
which has a separate rule under CMS (Centers for Medicaid Services), Medicare
Services—we do that through ambulance billing so there’s multiple touches that
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the Town is going to have to sort through in terms of what requirements apply
and CMS is different. They have different heightened standard in their rule that
just came out last week from the OSHA rules so we’re trying to understand how
those two things will play out. All that being said, we are going to have to watch
closely to your point, the lawsuits that are filed. The state of Indiana, Governor
Holcomb through our attorney general, Todd Rokita, has filed a suit along with
about 28 other states to block the requirement as it relates to the state of Indiana.
I fully expect that there will be legislation creating additional definitions of
exemptions that are stated in the Federal OSHA and CMS rules. The timing on
that is going to be a little dicey. We do come back into organization day at the
legislature tomorrow so we know that there’s some legislative efforts or interest
in trying to get something expedited through the process but that’s been an effort
in Texas and Ohio, North Dakota, Montana, other states looking at it. It’s to date,
has not fully been implemented in any state so we’re watching it. I know the
Mayor is probably having to prepare for it because the timing is so tight. But, I
will commit to all of you that I’m watching it as well on your behalf to try to—
and I’m happy to work with the Mayor and her counsel to sort through it because
it’s very complicated and conflicting statutes and timing is tight, so.
Garrett Very good. Any other matters? Okay, now we can go to claims. Any questions
on claims, Councilors?
Plunkett I’ve got a question on—we’ve got in the non-department total or in the non-
department, I guess, 999, we’ve got a legal fee in there that is $13,500 for an
employee matter and I’m assuming and I don’t necessarily want to know what
the employee matter is here. I’m just curious as to why that wouldn’t be filed
under a different department specifically with whoever the claim is for.
Garrett Here’s the claims expert.
Havard Yes, so, when we do the budget, we put the retainers, the Council retainers under
the Council Department and then the Administration one under Administration.
All other legal matters because we can’t predict what is going to happen
throughout the year go into the nondepartmental. Also, there are some smaller
departments and so, we wouldn’t want to call that out, a specific employment
matter in a specific department. So, those are budgeted and spent out of
nondepartmental legal line.
Plunkett Okay, thank you.
Garrett Tammy, when you say they’re budgeted, their budget is legal like sort of general
legal.
Havard So, yes. We have, yes, we have a legal object code within the nondepartmental
area of the general fund. So, that you have visibility and can see where we are
with the legal.
Garrett Okay, thanks. That’s what I thought but I just wanted to confirm.
Traylor Tammy, I’m going to have a question for you, too. Save you a trip.
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Havard Sure.
Traylor All right, so and this may just be me being irritable. It very well may be. But, so,
going back again, we denied the additional appropriation for the MAC and we
continue to see MAC expenditures. Explain to me again—or, I’m trying to feel
better about it because it just kind of burns that we turned down the additional
appropriation but yet it still keeps happening even though we said no. So, if you
would, just explain where that money’s coming from to pay for these things
when we specifically denied this particular item.
Havard Sure, so you might see references to MAC in the claims and that is just—so
employees, for instance, are still budgeted within their departments even though
they’re sitting over in the MAC area. There might be office supplies and things
that is—might be, say have a description that says MAC but those were budgeted
as general office supplies that they would need no matter where they were.
Traylor And, does that apply to, to the I think I saw, like a cubicle in here for somebody
in your department. That was just an additional staff person or--?
Havard Yes, so we took a full-time position and broke it up into two part-time positions.
And, so we have like the court person is sitting over in the MAC area so that
they’re more accessible to the public when someone walks in and has a question.
Then, they can go right there and speak to the person.
Traylor And, it that the cubicle we’re paying for?
Havard Yes.
Traylor In this?
Havard So, and, there is no existing office available in the finance area right now. So,
again, we would have had to do something anyway.
Traylor But, it’s a cubicle in the MAC. Okay. Okay.
Burk So, obviously these were approved budget expenses pre-MAC so you’re just kind
of re-coding them for yourself?
Havard Correct.
Burk So, in the 2022 budget, will that be coded differently? Will MAC kind of have its
own budget line item or will it continue to be just departmental spend that would
be applied to the MAC?
Havard Currently, we are just doing the departmental spend. If there is a desire by the
Council to have that separate area, a lot of the cities and towns have like a
customer service type budget, then we can absolutely explore that and get that
done.
Burk Okay, thank you.
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Plunkett I think going back to Councilor Traylor’s point, I would just like to know how
much money was spent on the MAC, where it came from and was it completed
because the MAC was done? I’m assuming there’s a budget somewhere, there’s a
line item somewhere that has all the expenses. So, I don’t know when. I don’t
know, Amy, if that’s something I email you for a request on or--?
Havard We can pull that together.
Lacy Yes.
Plunkett Thank you.
Garrett Anything else? All right, I’ll make a motion to approve claims.
Choi Second.
Garrett Second from Councilor Choi. All in favor?
Garrett Aye.
Plunkett Aye.
Burk Aye.
Choi Aye.
Melton Aye.
Traylor Nay.
Garrett Claims are approved by a vote of 5 in favor, 1 opposed.
9. ADJOURN
Garrett I’ll make a motion to adjourn.
Choi Second.
Garrett Second by Councilor Choi. All in favor?
All Aye.
Garrett All opposed?
[No response.]
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Garrett Motion to adjourn is approved by a vote of 6 in favor, 0 opposed. The next
regular Town Council meeting is scheduled for Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7
o’clock p.m. right here in the Town Hall Council Chambers. Final notice will be
posted in compliance with Indiana Open Door Law. Thank you all.
Respectfully Submitted,
Amelia Anne Lacy, Municipal Relations Coordinator
Town of Zionsville
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