City Council
Regular MeetingAndover, MN · November 23, 2021
Minutes
ANDOVER CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING – NOVEMBER 23, 2021
MINUTES
The Workshop Meeting of the Andover City Council was called to order by Mayor Sheri
Bukkila, November 23, 2021 at 6:00 p.m., at the Andover City Hall, 1685 Crosstown Boulevard
NW, Andover, Minnesota.
Councilmembers present: Valerie Holthus, Jamie Barthel, Ted Butler (left the
meeting at 6:08 p.m. and returned at 6:25 p.m.), and Randy
Nelson
Councilmember absent: None
Open Space Commissioners: Chairperson Kim Kovach, Ryan Ingebritson, and Jim Olson
Also present: City Administrator, Jim Dickinson
City Engineer/Public Works Director, David Berkowitz
City Planner, Joe Janish
Natural Resources Technician, Kameron Kytonen
Others
DISCUSSION WITH OPEN SPACE ADVISORY COMMISSION (OSAC)
The City Council is requested to meet with the Open Space Advisory Commission and provide
feedback on discussion items.
Dalske Woodlands Boardwalk
Mr. Kytonen provided a brief background of the site and stated they are looking at
constructing 150 feet of boardwalk. Currently, there is only access to half of the property
due to difficulty crossing the wetland. The boardwalk has been in the plan for several
years and OSAC would like the City to implement the plan. The Council was shown
examples of boardwalks in the metro area. Some of the projects were contracted and
some were installed by staff and volunteers.
Mayor Bukkila asked what type of soil would be under the boardwalk because that would
impact the cost of the project. Mr. Kytonen said there would need to be a study to
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determine the soil and product needed. Mr. Berkowitz stated it would be around $20,000
for a complete study.
Mr. Berkowitz referring to the old Woodland Creek Golf Course area stated the Board of
Water and Soil Resources (BOWSR) created a boardwalk plan for the City. He
explained BOWSR built the boardwalk, and it has since settled and created additional
maintenance. He stated this experience has caused the City to look at these projects more
critically. Mr. Berkowitz stated it is important to have a study done to install the right
type of boardwalk.
The Council reached consensus to explore a study and the feasibility of constructing a
boardwalk. Mr. Berkowitz asked for OSAC Commissioners to attend a kickoff meeting
and provide input to the contractor.
Mr. Dickinson stated the City did a liability check and the insurance provider would like
the City to go through a detailed process. He supports the study and would like to look at
a good, better, and best option. Mr. Kytonen stated there is a grant through the Federal
Government that the City can apply for.
OSAC involvement in plan review
OSAC would like to be involved in plan review. They were not in favor of roads being
constructed right next to the open space in Martins Meadows. OSAC feels they can give
some suggestions and feedback to protect the open space sites and accommodate
development.
Mayor Bukkila thinks it is a good idea and suggested OSAC Commissioners review the
Planning and Zoning Commission meeting and provide input. Mr. Dickinson stated an
informal review process is an option and suggested having the OSAC review a sketch
plan and provide input prior to the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. If there
isn’t a sketch plan, OSAC can review the preliminary plat at a special meeting. The
Council reached consensus to have OSAC review plans in the suggested method.
Management of the preserves and future initiatives of OSAC
OSAC is looking at getting schools involved in the preserves. Mr. Dickinson stated the
Open Space Bonds will end in 2022 and there will be some funds available to maintain
the open space properties.
DISCUSSION WITH POTENTIAL SENIOR MULTI-HOUSING DEVELOPER
The City Council is requested to discuss a senior multi-housing development and provide
comments on the potential development. Mr. Janish stated the City has been approached by the
developer to build a senior complex on the Holasek property. Mr. Janish stated a Comprehensive
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Plan Amendment would be needed. The Comprehensive Plan has identified the property to be
part commercial and part residential at 4-8 units per acre. The senior complex would be around
20 units per acre.
Jack Collins, Executive Vice President of SilverCrest Properties, and Peter Pfister, Pfister
Architects, came forward to present the proposal. Mr. Collins provided information about
SilverCrest and they have identified Andover as a great location for a new development. Mr.
Collins played a video demonstrating their Maple Grove community, services, and amenities.
Mr. Collins stated they have high occupancy rates, terrific employees, and they put their
residents first. Mr. Collins noted the wellness center has a warm water pool and they have trained
chefs in the dining hall.
Mr. Dickinson stated he toured the Maple Grove community. He suggested Council should
discuss the four-story component because the senior assisted living facility is proposed at 4
stories. He stated the amenities and finishes would be similar to Maple Grove which he felt
would meet Andover requirements.
Mr. Collins stated the complex would have 120 independent living apartments, 40-50 assisted
living apartments, and 20 memory care units. They are also proposing an enhanced assisted
living, an option between memory care and assisted living where the resident needs a higher
level of care.
Mr. Pfister said they are bound with one access point into the property, with right in, right out.
He pointed out where the buildings would be located on the property and the height of each
building. He stated they have met with the Fire Department and made some changes to the
layout.
Mr. Collins stated they can only go 3 stories high on the assisted living facility while the
independent living building can be 4 stories. He stated 4 stories allow for shorter hallways and
easier access. The independent living facility will have underground parking. Mr. Collins stated
they employ 75-85 staff primarily caregivers and dining staff.
Mr. Dickinson asked Council if they interested in a four-story senior apartment complex.
Councilmember Holthus asked what the density would be. Mr. Janish stated it depends on how
much ponding is needed and expects it to be around 19-20 units per acre.
Councilmember Barthel asked if this project moved forward, how many other areas of the City
could be moved from medium density to low density. He asked if it was going to be a dramatic
change to the Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Janish stated the City may be able to make some
changes, but the City is at 2.8 units per acre and getting closer to 3 units per acre as required by
the Met Council.
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Mayor Bukkila stated the SilverCrest product is a good product and is run well. She stated she
has not envisioned a senior facility in this area. She stated there is so little commercial property
in the City that she does not want to give it up.
Councilmember Nelson stated it is a beautiful facility and since commercial property is limited,
he does not believe this is the right location for a senior apartment building.
Councilmember Butler has concerns about going away from commercial and asked how they
would buffer the development from single-family neighborhoods. Mr. Collins stated there is
transitional housing in buffering the single-family neighborhood in Maple Grove. He stated they
work with the City and neighborhoods to make it work and can change the orientation of
buildings and plant two-story trees.
Councilmember Holthus asked if the roofline could be variated and not square. She asked if the
City has received any interest from commercial buyers. Mr. Dickinson stated the property has
been vacant since he has worked for Andover which is 22 years. Councilmember Holthus stated
the access is not good for commercial and she is not against senior housing at that location.
Councilmember Barthel likes the concept of senior housing, but the height of the building is not
acceptable to him. He does not want to go over two stories.
Mr. Dickinson stated commercial interest in this site has been minimal as access is difficult. He
stated the main interest over the years has been from multi-family developers.
Mayor Bukkila believes the price of the land is too high. Mr. Dickinson stated the property
owners have reduced the price and they are now in the market range.
Councilmember Barthel stated commercial developers want rooftops and there aren’t enough
rooftops to support the commercial. He stated this proposal would give them rooftops but then
there would be no place for commercial.
Mr. Collins stated they would look at the commercial concern and possibly hold a neighborhood
informational meeting.
RECESS & RECONVENE
Mayor Bukkila recessed the meeting at 7:05 p.m. The meeting was reconvened at 7:10 p.m.
2022 BUDGET DEVELOPMENT/2022 PROPOSED PROPERTY TAX LEVY REVIEW
The City Council is requested to review the proposed 2022 General Fund Budget and proposed
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property tax levy. Mr. Dickinson stated the City will host the Truth in Taxation Hearing on
December 7, 2021. He noted that property tax statements have been sent to residents and the
County Assessor is showing a 7.47% increase in the taxable market value which impacts a
homeowner’s tax.
Mr. Dickinson updated the Council on the progress of the 2022 Budget Development Guidelines
as written in the staff report. He explained the City needs to hire due to recent retirements.
Councilmember Butler stated he would like to see the City hire a leader who can focus on park
planning, be aware of park issues regionally, and nationally to lead and guide the Park and
Recreation Commission.
Mayor Bukkila agreed with Councilmember Butler and would like to see a staff member be more
recreation focused and make the best use of what you have. The rest of the Council agreed.
Mr. Dickinson reviewed personnel and contractual department changes and expenses as written
in the staff report. He noted that $2,500 was added for the Andover Senior Center from the
General Fund. He stated there are many activities for seniors at the YMCA. Mr. Dickinson
reviewed the budget spreadsheets and tables in the staff report.
Mr. Dickinson provided an update on the Fire Department duty crew proposal. He indicated
they changed the proposal to 14 hours of duty crew per month per firefighter and kept the 25%
responding to calls and 75% training/station maintenance. Mr. Dickinson stated soft
implementation will begin January 1, 2022 and they are asking the membership to make a good
faith effort to achieve 14 hours of duty crew time. He stated leadership will perform a review
quarterly and adjust as needed. Mr. Dickinson indicated they have already seen an increase in
duty crew sign ups.
Mr. Dickinson reviewed feedback from firefighters. He stated they held a meeting and got good
questions. He said the good news is that the membership has improved signing up for duty crew
shifts. Mayor Bukkila stated it would be nice to have them pull together as a team and not have
to mandate hours.
Councilmember Butler asked how the model changed due to firefighter feedback. Mr. Dickinson
stated they will have a soft implementation beginning January 1, 2022 and they reduced the duty
crew time to 14 hours, reduced from 18 hours in the original proposal.
Councilmember Butler noted there is no flexibility in responding to calls versus duty crew time.
Mr. Dickinson stated he heard from the membership there should be requirements holding
members harmless for not showing up is not helping. Councilmember Butler said he has spoken
with a few of the members, and they appreciated Mr. Dickinson being present at the meeting.
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Mr. Dickinson stated a few asked what was in it for them if they do this and that they wanted
money put in their retirement. Mr. Dickinson said if the City did that, funds would likely be
incentive based on meeting goals and put into an individual 457 rather than to the Relief
Association. Councilmember Butler stated he likes that incentive.
Mr. Dickinson stated he will probably attend Fire Department meetings once or twice a year, to
gather and present information.
Mayor Bukkila stated there is a perception that fire operates in a silo and the City Administration
and Council are not in control.
Mr. Dickinson reiterated the proposal’s goal is to help reduce response time and provide a
reliable response when someone calls 911.
OCTOBER 2021 COMMUNITY CENTER UPDATE
The City Council is requested to review the October 2021 Community Center update. Mr.
Dickinson reviewed the budget summary year to date. He noted that staffing continues to be a
challenge and full-time staff are adjusting their hours to cover. He is concerned about burnout
with the full-time staff. Mr. Dickinson stated the Community Center will be very busy in
November and December with rentals and programs. He indicated the Community Center will
not offer winter ice skating lessons because they do not have instructors.
Mayor Bukkila asked if they needed to be 18 to be an instructor. Mr. Dickinson stated they
would like the lead instructor to be 18 or older. Mayor Bukkila asked how they recruit. Mr.
Dickinson stated they place advertisements, send out emails, social media posts and talk to
coaches.
Mr. Dickinson updated the Council on the concession operations and stated no one is able to
commit due to staffing and there is too much unknown due to COVID. Staff have added vending
machines and are restocking them more often.
Councilmember Holthus asked if they have thought about hiring a full-time person. Mr.
Dickinson said they would love to, but it would significantly impact the budget, we hope the
hiring crisis is short term.
Councilmember Butler stated the long-term part-time staff at the Community Center are very
good and do great work.
DISCUSS COVID POLICY
The City Council is requested to discuss and review the City’s Mandatory Vaccination and
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Testing Policy. Mr. Dickinson stated OSHA announced its Emergency Temporary Standard
(ETS) to address mandatory COVID- 19 vaccination and testing for the workplace. He said one
part of this ETS requires employers to establish written policies to implement the mandate. Mr.
Dickinson stated the mandate is currently under appeal, however, it is recommended to develop a
policy while it is being litigated. Mr. Dickinson stated the policy in the workshop packet is a
template from OSHA.
Councilmember Butler asked if the City had any contracts with the Federal Government that
would mandate them to be vaccinated. Mr. Dickinson said the City does not.
Mayor Bukkila stated she looked at other countries and their vaccination mandates. She stated it
appears to be a global effort to vaccinate. Mayor Bukkila said her research has shown that the
requirements in other countries are proof of vaccination plus a negative PCR test by an approved
vendor. She believes there is an issue with the Federal Government putting the expense of the
enforcement cost onto employers for a Federal mandate.
Mr. Dickinson stated the policy is ready to go and the dates may change depending on the
outcome of the litigation.
The Council is in support of having the policy ready.
CLOSED SESSION – CITY ADMINISTRATOR PERFORMANCE REVIEW
RECESS
Motion by Barthel, Seconded by Butler to recess the work session at 8:00 p.m. to a Closed
Session of the City Council to discuss the City Administrator’s performance review. Motion
carried unanimously.
RECONVENE
The Council reconvened at 8:25 p.m.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Barthel, Seconded by Nelson, to adjourn the meeting at 8:26 p.m. Motion carried
unanimously.
Respectfully submitted,
Shari Kunza, Recording Secretary
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City Council Workshop
Tuesday, November 23, 2021
City Hall – Conference Rooms A & B
1. Call to Order – 6:00 p.m.
2. Discussion With Open Space Advisory Commission (OSAC) – Engineering
3. Discussion with Potential Senior Multi-Housing Developer – Planning
4. 2022 Budget Development / 2022 Proposed Property Tax Levy Review – Administration
5. October 2021 Community Center Update – Administration
6. Discuss COVID Policy - Administration
7. Other Topics
8. Closed Session – City Administrator Performance Review
9. Adjournment
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