Recreation and Pedestrian Trails Committee
Regular MeetingAngel Fire, NM · May 16, 2024
Minutes
VILLAGE OF ANGEL FIRE
Angel Fire, NM 87710
(575) 377-3232
Pedestrian Trails Committee Meeting Minutes
Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 9:00 a.m. at the Community Center
Call to Order: Matt Billingsley called meeting to order at 9:06 a.m.
Roll Call: Jeff Weeks (Counsel Representative), John Carmack, Tim Kelly, Matt
Billingsley, Lonny Natter, Attila Bality, Chris Sorensen and Patrick West (Resort
Representative). Absent Shay Tibljas (Village Representative) and Christine Smith. Quorum
established.
Announcements: Attila announced that Dustin Berg with Global Opportunities Unlimited,
Inc., which deals with adaptive trails, will be visiting will be visiting the Tao Angel Fire on
June 2nd and again on July 12th and 13th. Dustin would like to meet volunteers. Attila will
provide Dustin with contact information for Patrick, Jeff and Tim.
Comments/Questions from Community/Audience Members: No community/audience
members present
Approval of May 16, 2024 Minutes: Lonny Natter motioned to approve and John Carmack
seconded; unanimously approved.
Review and Approval of Agenda: It was decided to defer Item A “Review and Discuss the
Committee’s Charter …” to the next meeting as Shay Tibljas has yet to locate the prior
committee’s Charter and was not present at the meeting. Lonny Natter motioned to approve
the Agenda as revised and John Carmack seconded; unanimously approved.
Action Items:
WHO WHAT WHEN
All Send Attila comments of what is still relevant from 2008 6/13/2024
Comprehensive Plan.
Jeff Check with Greg Ralph about printed map inventory and let 6/13/2024
Greg Ralph know about lack of current map on Village and
Visitor websites.
Patrick Check with Brandy about locating digital file of map. 6/13/2024
Jeff Check with Samantha regarding ideas on how to solicit input 6/13/2024
regarding trails from members during members weekend.
Matt Follow-up with contacts in AFFPO regarding the same. 6/13/2024
All Send further ideas regarding trail assessment checklists 6/13/2024
Agenda Items:
A. Review and Discuss the Committee’s Charter – reach agreement on
Committee’s mission:
Deferred to next meeting as Shay Tibljas has yet to locate the prior committee’s
Charter and was not present at the meeting.
B. Discuss Alternatives for the Committee’s Decision Making Process and Sharing
of Documents – reach agreement on Committee’s decision making process and
sharing of documents.
Attila Bality presented various Decision Making Models for the Committee to use.
These included the Consensus Method, Modified Consensus Method and Majority
Vote (i.e. Roberts Rules) methods.
The Committee agreed to adopt the Modified Consensus method of decision making
for purposes of this Committee. As described in the materials presented by Attila, the
Modified Consensus method is defined as follows:
Modified Consensus
Consensus minus one vote, Consensus minus two votes
In these processes, the group seeks full consensus to the extent possible. But it
recognizes that at some point, full agreement may not be possible, and it doesn’t want
the group not to be able to move forward. Modified consensus processes might make
room for the following practices:
• Stand-aside: a participant doesn’t block the group from moving forward, but
simply stands aside to register their lack of full agreement with the rest of the
group.
• Abstention: a participant abstains from the decision either because they feel
they don’t have enough of an understanding of the decision at hand or because
they have a conflict of interest.
The Committee agreed, that as part of the Modified Consensus method, any
dissenters must agree to not go around or undermine any modified consensus
decision made by the Committee.
C. Review and Discuss Mapping Issues – assess adequacy of current mapping and
identify needs for potential improvements.
The Committee reviewed the most current version of the “Green Belt Trail System”
(2020 version) map. The Committee agreed the map was an adequate map for now.
Future potential improvements to the map to consider include QR codes that will link
to the map, remove Forest Service non-system trails from the map included in that
are in the Carson Forest (i.e. Whoop De Do and Ho Chi Min), show proper alignment
of the current Elliot Barker trail and add other Forest Service system trails (i.e. Palo
Flechado).
Tim Kelly pointed out the current map can be obtained in hard copy from the
Visitors Center. However, the map is not available on the Village website (an older
2017 version is, but is difficult and not intuitive to find). While the Visitor’s Center
website promotes an abundance of hiking opportunities in the area, it does not
identify any specific trails or provide any maps. While the current map is available
on the Resort website, it is not in a printable form and it is hard to navigate/enlarge
while viewing on the website, especially on a cell phone. The map is not available on
the Resort’s App.
Actions:
• Jeff will check with Greg Ralph (Tourism Director) regarding the existing
inventory of printed maps and let him know about the Village and Visitor
Center website issues.
• Patrick will stock trail head kiosks with maps, but also encourages Committee
members to retain a supply of maps and also stock the kiosks when they notice
they are low or out of stock.
• Patrick will check with Brandy about obtaining/locating the electronic version
of the map.
D. Discuss Community Engagement Ideas – identify parties and decide on ways
best to engage.
Attila discussed Pedestrian Trail Related Excerpts from the 2008 Village of Angel
Fire Comprehensive Plan which he had summarized and provided to Committee
members.
For purposes of our discussion, the Northwest Quadrant was clarified to mean the
area west of US 64, north of Sage Lane to the blinking light.
While the Committee agreed that most, if not all, of the items noted regarding trails
in the 2008 Comprehensive Plan are still relevant, we cannot answer for sure until a
Community Survey is conducted.
Jeff provided ariel and survey maps regarding the area of potential trail extension to
the high school and Allen Fields.
Other items discussed included how to solicit input from Resort members during the
AAFPO members weekend. Jeff will check with Samantha Weeks for ideas and Matt
will follow-up with his contacts in AAFPO.
Chris pointed out that we also need input from visitors and that there maybe
competing interests between visitors and members.
Actions:
All – Email comments to Attila of what is still relevant regarding pedestrian trails in
the 2008 Comprehensive Plan.
E. Review Trails Assessments Examples – agree upon trails assessment methodology to
be used by Committee.
Village and Resort do not have trail assessment checklists.
Attila provide sone examples of checklists and ideas he is aware of.
Assessment methodology and checklist needed for risk mitigation purposes.
Committee will need to develop checklist that Village and Resort can use to assess
trails.
F. Walking Tour and Assessment of One Trail Following the Meeting.
Committee members Attila Bality, Matt Billingsley, Tim Kelly, John Carmack,
Lonny Natter and Chris Sorensen walked the Frank Young/Solar Loop trail. Purpose
of the walk was to familiarize Committee members with the trail and begin to
develop ideas for trail assessment methods/checklists for Village trails (which may
also be useful in developing ideas for trail assessment methods/checklists for Resort
trails).
Items noted by the Committee members during the walk involving
safety/maintenance issues included:
• Broken/outdated signage at the trail heads
• Weed encroachment onto the portions of the trail
• Prairie dog holes on the trail or near the edge of the trail
• Lack of curb cuts and Pedestrian Cross Walk where trail crosses North Angel
Fire Road
• Deteriorating/unstable stairs leading down from North Angel Fire Road to
trail path.
• Some deteriorating and splintering rail road ties forming the edge of the trail
path.
• Lack of directional signage on the Solar Loop portion of the trail, especially
where trail path at times is difficult to distinguish.
• Dilapidated/collapsing bridge on the Solar Loop section of the trail.
Items noted by the Committee members during the walk involving potential
enhancements of visitor experience included:
• Signage for adaptive use.
• Ramps leading down from North Angel Fire Road to accommodate bike and
adaptive usage.
• Create a smooth transition from the trail path to the benches and shade
structure near the Frank Young and Solar Loop crossover to accommodate
adaptive access/use.
The Committee discussed the likely need for the development of two trail assessment
checklist, one for Safety/Maintenace items and another for Enhanced Visitor
Experience items.
During the walking tour the Committee members briefly looked at the start for the
potential route regarding possible expansion of the Frank Young Trail to the High
School and Allen Fields. The Committee’s initial thoughts are that it may be better to
locate the expansion route further to the east of what had been contemplated by the
prior committee. That way, it could take advantage of the existing bridge and place
the alignment of the trail higher above the wetlands and eliminate or reduce the
number of bridges for the trail expansion.
Actions: Committee members to email Attila any further ideas regarding trail
assessment ideas/checklists.
G. Next Steps
1. Status reports on prior action items.
2. Review and decide on method(s) of sharing documents (i.e. Village FTP site,
Google Drive, etc.)
3. Review prior committee’s Charter (if located) and agree on Committee’s
mission and milestones; or, develop new Charter.
4. Further discussion on adaptive trails
5. Further discussion and agreement on developing checklists.
6. Walk another trail (Resort Trail)
Next Meeting Date and Adjournment: The next meeting date will be Thursday, June 13,
2024 at the Community Center. Meeting adjourned at 10:25 a.m. Walking tour of Frank
Young and Solar Loop trail ended at 11:38 a.m.
Passed, Approved and Adopted on this 13th day of June, 2024
Agenda
VILLAGE OF ANGEL FIRE
Angel Fire, NM 87710
(575) 377-3232
PUBLIC NOTICE
Pedestrian Trails Committee
Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 9:00 a.m. at the Community Center
Call to Order
Pledge of Allegiance
Roll Call
Approval of Agenda
Comments/Questions from Community/Audience Members
Approval of April 30, 2024 Minutes
New Business:
A. Review Previous AF Trails Committee Efforts – those that were successful and those
that were not.
B. Review Previous Planned Projects – are they still valid?
C. Discuss Who Else Needs to be Involved (i.e Village, Resort, Visitor Center, User
Groups, Enchanted Circle Trails Association, Land Owners, Developers, etc.)
D. Discuss Existing Trails Assessment Methodology – how to accomplish?
E. Begin Thinking About Timelines and Milestones – what does success look like?
F. Next Steps
Dennis Groat, Municipal Village Clerk BJ Lindsey, Mayor
Post: May _10__, 2024
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