City Council Workshop
Regular MeetingBlaine, MN · October 3, 2022
Minutes
Blaine City Hall
City of Blaine 10801 Town Sq Dr NE
Blaine MN 55449
Anoka County, Minnesota
Minutes
City Council Workshop
While this is a public meeting where interested persons are
welcome to attend, it is a work session for City Council and
staff to discuss issues before them. It is not for the purpose of
receiving public input.
Monday, October 3, 2022 6:00 PM Cloverleaf Farm Room A
NOTICE OF WORKSHOP MEETING
1 Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by Mayor Sanders at 6:00PM.
2 Roll Call
PRESENT: Mayor Tim Sanders, Councilmembers Wes Hovland, Julie
Jeppson, Chris Massoglia (attending remotely from 1636 Imlay City
Road, Lapeer MI), Tom Newland, and Richard Paul.
ABSENT: Councilmember Jess Robertson.
Quorum Present.
ALSO PRESENT: City Manager Michelle Wolfe; Community
Development Director Erik Thorvig; Safety Services Manager/Police
Chief Brian Podany; Deputy Police Chief Dan Pelkey; Finance Director
Joe Huss; Deputy Finance Director Alison Bong; City Engineer Dan
Schluender; City Attorney Chris Nelson; Communications Manager Ben
Hayle; Community Standards Director Bob Fiske; Finance Analyst Jenna
Trittin; Deputy Fire Marshal Todd Miller; Detective Mike Sommer;
Sergeant Brad Nordby; and City Clerk Catherine Sorensen.
Present: 5 - Councilmember Paul, Councilmember Hovland, Massoglia, Sanders, and
Councilmember Jeppson
Absent: 1 - Councilmember Robertson
3 New Business
3-1 Police Department Armored Rescue Vehicle Discussion
Attachments: ARV PowerPoint
Safety Services Manager/Police Chief Podany stated in early 2022 the
City Council supported the police department in applying for a surplus
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armored vehicle using the Federal Government’s 1033 (Government
Military Surplus) Program. The program has undergone some
unforeseen changes. As a result of this, the status and delivery of the
vehicle is still unknown. The changes that took place to the program have
potential impacts to how this equipment may deployed by the
department. Accordingly, the Police Department is not interested in
pursuing the 1033 program option for an armored vehicle.
Deputy Police Chief Pelkey provided a presentation on the options
available for an armored vehicle, other than using the 1033 program. He
commented on the types of events when an armored vehicle could be
utilized by the Blaine Police Department and described how staff would
be trained to use the vehicle. He then provided an overview of vehicle
funding options that were available for a commercially armored rescue
vehicle, noting forfeiture funds were an option. He explained there were
no grants available at this time, but grants could be pursued in 2023. He
reported it would take one year to receive a Lenco vehicle once ordered,
and staff anticipated it would last 25 to 30 years. He asked for feedback
from the Council on how to proceed.
Police Chief Podany commented further on the scope of the funds
available within the City’s forfeiture funds.
City Manager Wolfe explained this purchase has been a moving target
and the numbers have changed a bit. She commented she supported the
purchase of a four-door Bearcat, and she had a high comfort level using
forfeiture funds for this purchase. She stated it was her understanding
this purchase had been added to the CIP.
Finance Director Huss stated Deputy Police Chief Pelkey has been
working with finance staff to identify funds for this purchase.
Mayor Sanders asked what the police department believed would be
best. Deputy Police Chief Pelkey stated he believed the 2022 4-door
Bearcat would be the best option for the police department. He
reiterated that this vehicle would be a long-term investment for the
department.
Mayor Sanders stated he supported the purchase as recommended by
staff. Deputy Finance Director Bong explained staff could change and
update the 2023 budget to include this purchase.
Councilmember Jeppson commented she would like to see what the
maintenance and repair costs would be for this vehicle. She questioned if
a two-door option would be safer because it had fewer access points.
She inquired if Anoka and the Sheriff’s Department charged Blaine to
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use their armored vehicles. Police Chief Podany reported these
departments do not charge for use of their armored vehicle. He
commented further on the challenges of having a two-door vehicle noting
it was slower to get people in and out of the vehicle.
Councilmember Hovland indicated he did not support the City pursuing
the 1033 program. He explained he was much more comfortable with a
new vehicle based on the fact there would be an availability of parts. He
stated he was not concerned about charging other cities for the use of
Blaine’s armored vehicle, however, if damage should occur, he would
like the City to receive compensation from that city or jurisdiction. He
commented he supported the purchase of the 4-door Bearcat.
Councilmember Newland questioned if a Blaine Police Officer would
remain with the armored vehicle if deployed to another city. Police Chief
Podany reported this was the case.
Councilmember Newland stated he supported the City dropping the
1033 program and pursue a 4-door Bearcat vehicle. He suggested the
City define parameters as to how far the armored vehicle would respond
to another call or event.
Councilmember Newland asked if payment was due at the time the
vehicle was ordered. Deputy Police Chief Pelkey explained the city
would not pay for the armored vehicle until it was delivered, which would
be in late 2023 or early 2024.
Councilmember Jeppson stated she supported all staff members being
trained on how to drive and operate this vehicle. She thanked staff for
trying to find other options, but she understood the other options were not
in the City’s best interest at this time.
Councilmember Paul discussed how there had been an increase in
critical incidents in the community and noted he supported the purchase
of this vehicle. He inquired if vehicles like this were available on the state
bid. Deputy Police Chief Pelkey stated these vehicles were not on the
state bid.
Council consensus was to support the purchase of a 2022 4-door armored
rescue vehicle (Lenco Bearcat) utilizing forfeiture funds.
30 Minute Discussion
3-2 2023 Facilities Fund Budget and Capital Improvement Plan
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Attachments: 2023 Facilities Budget
2023 Facilities Capital Improvement Plan
Presentation - 2023 Facilities Budget and CIP
Ms. Bong stated in 2019, as part of the City’s efforts to stabilize its
general levy and provide a mechanism for ensuring long-term funding of
facilities improvements, the City Council authorized the creation of an
internal service fund to account for facilities management. Internal
service funds are used to account for the financing of goods and services
provided by one department or activity to other departments or activities
of the government on a cost reimbursement basis. To fund facilities,
charges are assessed to each department based on the square footage
used by each operation. The facilities managed under this fund include
city hall and attached garages, public works (PW) and the PW cold
storage facility, the police training facility, Mary Ann Young Center, and
old fire station #5.
Ms. Bong reported as the city facilities have been evaluated, a history of
deferred maintenance has been identified. The facilities team is working
towards remedying the impacts of deferred maintenance and performing
regular preventative maintenance, but is struggling with insufficient
staffing, inflationary costs, and a departmental chargeback system that
has not yet caught up to the increased needs of the facilities program.
The facilities fund has received several transfers from the General Fund
since 2019 to provide the fund with working capital. The startup transfer
in 2019 was $250,000, $75,000 was transferred in 2021 for an LED light
project, and $1 million was authorized to be transferred in 2022. The
long-term goal is to have facilities be sustained through departmental
charges; however, rightsizing the fees is a work in progress. Once
chargeback fees are stabilized and the fund becomes self-sustaining, a
fund balance to pay for emergency or unforeseen repairs should be
maintained with the ideal target fund balance around $400,000.
Deputy Fire Marshal Todd Miller commented further on the proposed
personnel services increases. He explained the City has had its facilities
understaffed and noted the new person would allow him to better
prioritize his own work.
Councilmember Massoglia asked what the current fund balance was for
facilities maintenance. Ms. Bong stated the balance was over $1 million
at this time. She discussed how the City was working to right size its
facilities and noted the $1 million transfer to this fund would assist with
maintaining the City’s facilities going forward.
Finance Analyst Trittin discussed the age of the council chambers and
described the technology upgrades that could be completed in this
space. She noted a design study would be completed to further
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investigate the costs associated with these upgrades.
Councilmember Hovland stated he liked the idea of the facilities fund
being more transparent. He indicated his only concern was that cuts may
be required in order to balance the budget, and this could be detrimental
to the City’s facilities over time. He encouraged the Council to really look
closely at the needs versus the wants within the City’s facilities.
Councilmember Jeppson thanked staff for all of their work on the facilities
fund. She looked forward to hearing more from the audit about the
rightsizing of the City’s facilities and said that based on past building
maintenance she anticipated the proposed amount would have to be
increased considerably.
Mr. Miller explained the audit was not a wish list but rather maintenance
that had been required over time. He described how the boilers were
rated by staff to create a proper replacement schedule.
Ms. Bong commented on the safety upgrades needed to keep vehicles
from striking the garage door and encouraged Council to contact her with
questions regarding the facilities fund prior to the council retreat.
Informational: no action required
45 Minute Discussion
4 Other Business
Ms. Wolfe discussed the items that would be discussed at the upcoming
council retreat then shared progress being made for the grant that would
assist with funding TH65.
ADJOURN
The Workshop was adjourned at 7:33PM.
Adjourned
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Agenda
Blaine City Hall
City of Blaine 10801 Town Sq Dr NE
Blaine MN 55449
Anoka County, Minnesota
Meeting Agenda - Final
City Council Workshop
While this is a public meeting where interested persons are
welcome to attend, it is a work session for City Council and staff
to discuss issues before them. It is not for the purpose of
receiving public input.
Monday, October 3, 2022 6:00 PM Cloverleaf Farm Room A
NOTICE OF WORKSHOP MEETING
In accordance with the provisions of Section 3.01 of the Blaine City Charter, a Council
Workshop meeting is scheduled for the following purpose:
1 Call to Order
2 Roll Call
3 New Business
3-1 WS 22-109 Police Department Armored Rescue Vehicle Discussion
Sponsors: Podany
Attachments: ARV PowerPoint
30 Minute Discussion
3-2 WS 22-110 2023 Facilities Fund Budget and Capital Improvement Plan
Sponsors: Bong
Attachments: 2023 Facilities Budget
2023 Facilities Capital Improvement Plan
Presentation - 2023 Facilities Budget and CIP
45 Minute Discussion
4 Other Business
ADJOURN
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