Common Council Regular Session
Regular MeetingBloomington, IN · December 11, 2024
Minutes
In the Council Chambers of the Showers City Hall, Bloomington, COMMON COUNCIL
Indiana on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 6:30pm, Council REGULAR SESSION
President Isabel Piedmont-Smith presided over a Regular Session of December 11, 2024
the Common Council.
Councilmembers present: Isak Nti Asare, Courtney Daily, Matt ROLL CALL [6:31pm]
Flaherty, Isabel Piedmont-Smith, Dave Rollo, Kate Rosenbarger,
Andy Ruff, Hopi Stosberg, Sydney Zulich
Councilmembers present via Zoom: none
Councilmembers absent: none
Council President Isabel Piedmont-Smith gave a land and labor AGENDA SUMMATION [6:31pm]
acknowledgment and summarized the agenda.
There were no minutes for approval. APPROVAL OF MINUTES [6:34pm]
Piedmont-Smith noted the passing of Cheryl Munson, former REPORTS
Monroe County Councilor, and her experience knowing and working COUNCIL MEMBERS
with Ms. Munson. She noted her upcoming constituent meeting. [6:34pm]
Stosberg reported on the Plan Commission and its petition which
contained an amendment that would be presented to council. She
spoke about her upcoming constituent meeting.
Rollo lamented Cheryl Munson’s passing and praised her patience,
intellect, and good humor. He noted the passing of Donald Byrd,
founding member of Braver Angels, later known as Better Angels,
which addressed political divides. He noted his and Ruff’s upcoming
constituent meeting.
Ruff recognized Cheryl Munson’s service in the community. He
spoke about his work with Ms. Munson over the last thirty years. He
thanked Piedmont-Smith (President) and Stosberg
(Parliamentarian) for their work. He appreciated Stosberg stepping
up when he was not available for his duties as Vice President.
There were no reports from the mayor and city offices. The MAYOR AND CITY
OFFICES [6:43pm]
There were no reports from council committees. COUNCIL COMMITTEES
[6:43pm]
Christopher Emge, Greater Bloomington Chamber of Commerce, PUBLIC [6:43pm]
spoke about constituent meetings, transit service outside of the city,
and praised Cheryl Munson for her work in the community.
Chuck Livingston spoke about the 7-Line, traffic, and bicycle counts.
Khari Mkola, also known as Adrian Thomas, nephew of Troy
Thomas, said it was difficult to see city police vehicles since they
were painted black in the front and back. He discussed issues with
the Bloomington Housing Authority.
There were no appointments to boards and commissions. APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND
COMMISSIONS [6:56pm]
There was no legislation for first reading. LEGISLATION FOR FIRST
READING [6:56pm]
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LEGISLATION FOR SECOND
READING AND RESOLUTIONS
[6:57pm]
Stosberg moved and Ruff seconded that Appropriation Ordinance Appropriation Ordinance 2024-09
2024-09 be introduced and read by title and synopsis only. The – To Specially Appropriate from
motion was approved by voice vote. Clerk Nicole Bolden read the the General Fund, Economic
legislation by title and synopsis. Development Lit Fund, Parks and
Recreation General Fund, Public
Stosberg moved and Ruff seconded that Appropriation Ordinance Safety LIT Fund, ARPA Local Fiscal
2024-09 be adopted. Recovery Fund and Alternative
Transportation Fund
Jessica McClellan, Controller, presented the legislation which was a Expenditures Not Otherwise
request to transfer funds with no net effect. She gave more details. Appropriated (Appropriating
Various Transfers of Funds within
the General Fund, Economic
Development LIT Fund, 2 Parks &
Recreation General Fund, Public
Safety LIT Fund, ARPA Local Fiscal
Recovery Fund, and Alternative
Transportation Fund) [6:57pm]
Flaherty asked for clarification on alternatives to the process. Council questions:
McClellan said additional appropriations or a transfer within the
department, could be requested. She highlighted that the request
did not include an additional appropriation.
Asare asked about the timing of transfers to other departments.
McClellan clarified that departments were in constant contact
with the controller’s office regarding expenses and needs.
Asare asked how end of year transfers related to the budget
process.
McClellan said an analysis would be done to see if there could be
better budgeting of funds.
Stosberg asked if departments had enough time to expend the funds.
McClellan confirmed yes and gave examples.
Asare asked about American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA) funds.
McClellan said the final $7.5 million had to be obligated that year.
Adrian Thomas commented on budgets, transfers, and his Public comments:
understanding of the process.
Stosberg said it was pretty standard to have end of year transfers. Council comments:
She thanked McClellan and department heads for their efforts.
Zulich thanked McClellan and others for effectively balancing the
transfers.
The motion to adopt Appropriation Ordinance 2024-09 received a Vote to adopt Appropriation
roll call vote of Ayes: 9, Nays: 0, Abstain: 0. Ordinance 2024-09 [7:08pm]
Stosberg moved and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-25 be Ordinance 2024-25 – An
introduced and read by title and synopsis only. The motion was Ordinance to Amend Ordinance
approved by voice vote. Bolden read the legislation by title and 23-25 That Fixed the Salaries of
synopsis. Appointed Officers, Non-Union,
and A.F.S.C.M.E. Employees for All
Stosberg moved and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-25 be the Departments of the City of
adopted. Bloomington, Monroe County,
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Sharr Pechac, Director, Human Resources (HR), presented the Indiana for the Year 2024
legislation. The request was to provide a one-time payment of $500 [7:09pm]
to all American Federation of State, County and Municipal
Employees (AFSCME) employees in 2024.
Stosberg asked if AFSCME salaries were the only ones not in the Council questions:
salary study.
Pechac confirmed that was correct. The salaries for AFSCME
employees would take priority in the following year.
Piedmont-Smith asked when the contract would be renegotiated.
Pechac said it would be in December 2026.
Deputy Mayor Gretchen Knapp said that if the salary study was
done in 2025, then the negotiation process would be reopened to
adjust 2025 salaries.
Pechac said the goal was to prioritize the salary study. The
request was to give a bonus as a good faith effort and appreciation
of AFSCME employees’ work.
Asare asked if the $97,000 impact was budgeted.
Pechac stated it was a portion of the budgeted amount for the
salary study.
Piedmont-Smith asked what the total amount was for the bonuses.
Pechac said it was $96,000.
There were no public comments. Public comments:
Stosberg and Piedmont-Smith appreciated the request for bonuses. Council comments:
The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 9, Nays: 0, Abstain: 0. Vote to adopt Ordinance 2024-25
[7:16pm]
Stosberg moved and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-26 be Ordinance 2024-26 – To Fix the
introduced and read by title and synopsis only. The motion was Salaries of All Elected City Officials
approved by voice vote. Bolden read the legislation by title and for the City of Bloomington for the
synopsis. Year 2025 [7:17pm]
Stosberg moved and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-26 be
adopted.
Flaherty summarized the process and framework the Ad Hoc Salary
committee undertook. There were materials on the process in the
packet, and there had been a full presentation the previous evening.
Flaherty moved and Ruff seconded to adopt Amendment 01 to Amendment 01 to Ordinance
Ordinance 2024-26. Flaherty presented the amendment, detailed 2024-26
the process, and highlighted the structured, methodical, and
thoughtful way, aided by consultant experts in city government, in
which the recommendations were determined. The amendment
addressed the issue of councilmembers and clerk being underpaid,
gradually.
Amendment 01 Synopsis: This amendment is sponsored by Cm.
Flaherty and Cm. Rosenbarger and would change the proposed
salaries in Ordinance 2024-26 to the following levels for 2025:
Mayor’s salary: $139,411, which is a 1% increase over the
mayor’s 2024 salary.
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Clerk’s salary: $92,873, which is half way between the Clerk’s Amendment 01 to Ordinance
2024 salary and the Grade 12, Step 1 compensation level. This is 2024-26 (cont’d)
an increase of $5,873 compared to the 2024 salary.
Council Member’s salary: $26,488, which is 19% of the Mayor’s
salary. This is an increase of $5,335 compared to a Council
Member’s 2024 salary.
Combined, the 2025 salaries proposed in this amendment have a
fiscal impact of $60,526 (i.e., the fiscal impact beyond 2024 fiscal
requirements for elected official salaries). These changes are part of
a proposed four-year, phased increase of elected official salaries.
The intent is to increase salaries in a way that balances (1)
alignment with the Elected Official Compensation Framework and
principles of accessibility, equity, and quality community service;
and (2) more gradual changes from the current (2024) salaries for
elected officials. These changes come in the context of a broader,
citywide update of compensation levels in order to improve the
quality of local government and achieve more competitive and
equitable pay. The proposed phase-in schedule would be subject to
the passage of a corresponding salary ordinance for elected officials
each year. Ordinance 2024-26 would only fix 2025 elected official
salaries.
Piedmont-Smith noted that Ordinance 2024-26 only fixed salaries Council questions:
for 2025, and asked how Amendment 01 would be implemented
over four years.
Flaherty clarified that Amendment 01 would not force future
council’s votes on fixing salaries. The intent was to demonstrate that
the sponsors were not arbitrarily choosing numbers. It was a
values-based approach to addressing elected officials’ salaries.
Asare asked why the percentages would increase.
Flaherty said council pay would be calculated as a percentage of
the mayor’s salary. The current percentage was 15% and the goal
was to reach 25%. The committee believed tying council salaries to
a percentage of the mayor’s salary was reasonable, instead of doing
Cost of Living Adjustment (COLA) each year. He noted the civil city
rubric that was used for determining how the council role related to
the mayoral role; as branches of local government.
Rosenbarger added that Amendment 01 resulted from the
discussion the previous evening. There were councilmembers that
wanted a longer phase in approach, from three years to four. There
were differing opinions of councilmembers. It was important to
follow the framework that was put forth by the committee. She
referenced the consultant’s, Crowe, appreciation of the committee’s
work. At the previous meeting, Crowe said they were impressed
with the result. She reiterated that the amendment was intentional
but not binding for future years.
Asare asked if the 19% was chosen arbitrarily.
Flaherty said no; it was a step process to reach 25% overtime. It
was a set of changes that attained more equitable pay for council,
resulting in better government. The committee assessed the nature
and role of the jobs using the point-factor rubric, talked about hours
that were necessary and expected to provide quality service,
relative to the mayor, which informed a decision and a number. It
was not arbitrary, the percentages were based on a set of values and
an analysis. The 19% was a slightly bigger jump in the first year
than in subsequent years. Addressing the inequity better in the first
year was reasonable.
Rosenbarger explained that it was easier to use whole numbers
for the percentages when calculating a three-year phase to four.
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Rollo asked about the possibility of a mayoral veto and the potential Amendment 01 to Ordinance
for additional council meetings that year, during some holidays. 2024-26 (cont’d)
Flaherty said Amendment 01 was very clear that salaries were
only being set for 2025. The subsequent years were included as Council questions:
rationale. He could not speak for the mayor but reiterated that state
code mandated that council set the salaries for elected officials.
Rollo asked if the sponsors had discussed the amendment with
the mayor.
Flaherty said no, Amendment 01 was drafted that day, in
response to the previous meeting’s discussion. The mayor’s
Legislative Aide had attended every Ad Hoc Salary Committee
meeting and the committee had invited the mayor’s input on setting
the mayoral salary.
Piedmont-Smith asked Knapp for the mayor’s input on Amendment
01.
Knapp said the mayor had not seen Amendment 01 so did not
know what the mayor would do.
Stosberg said Amendment 01 created an intent for future years and
asked how that reconciled with the annual process of reviewing
salaries by an Ad Hoc Salary committee.
Rosenbarger responded that it would be up to the new members
of the committee to consider. Future years’ numbers were
nonbinding.
Stosberg asked if council should focus on the 2025 numbers.
Flaherty reiterated that it was a rationale to explain the numbers,
and was not arbitrary. He was not comfortable voting on another
amendment, that was based on what the mayor stated she wanted,
without considering an alternative that used the framework
determined by the committee.
Rollo asked if Amendment 01 was arbitrary since it did not come
from the committee.
Flaherty clarified that the committee had recommended the
mayor have a mid-grade point of thirteen and council pay be 30% of
that. The committee believed that recommendation best reflected
the values of accessibility, equity, and quality service. Amendment
01 was drafted as an effort to compromise amongst nine
councilmembers. Based on discussions, it became clear that some
councilmembers did not believe the clerk and council roles were
deserving of the level of pay recommended by the committee.
Amendment 01 was still based on the compensation and
classification frame, the basis for salary setting. It was the
application of the framework.
Rollo asked if consultation extended to the mayor.
Flaherty clarified again that he did not reach out to the mayor
because it was council’s responsibility to set elected officials’
salaries. It was similar to the process the administration took when
conducting the salary study, where council was not consulted and a
salary ordinance was brought for a vote.
Asare asked how raising council pay made councilmembers better
at doing their job.
Rosenbarger referenced a report from Stanford Law Review from
2018, regarding compensation for city councilmembers across the
United States (US). She discussed three concerns of under-
compensation including the limiting effect of making elected offices
only open to those who could afford it, potential of decreasing
effectiveness, accountability, and transparency in government, and
increasing conflicts of interest and corruption. Pay affected who
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decided to serve. Low pay was not a barrier to those who had other Amendment 01 to Ordinance
sources of income, like the retired or independently wealthy. Low 2024-26 (cont’d)
pay had a disproportionate impact on already underrepresented
groups, like minorities and women, and failed to attract highly Council questions:
qualified candidates. Low pay for city council reduced effectiveness
because unless independently wealthy, councilmembers would have
to maintain other employment, thus reducing time spent on city
matters. She gave additional details.
Asare asked Rosenbarger and Flaherty if they would stop other
sources of income in order to be more effective councilmembers.
Piedmont-Smith noted that might be an inappropriate question
directed at individuals and not relevant to the amendment.
Asare said he was asking how raising council’s pay would lead to
more effective service.
Rosenbarger clarified that the amendment considered current
and future councilmembers. The issue being addressed was about
who was able to run and barriers from low pay. For example, a
resident expressed to Rosenbarger that she would like to run for
office, but as a single parent, could not afford to do so and also pay
for childcare.
Ruff asked the sponsors of Amendment 01 if they agreed that higher
pay would allow councilmembers to spend more time researching
items for council’s consideration.
Flaherty said councilmembers would likely spend more time on
council duties. He provided examples. He noted that correcting
unfair pay was reason enough. Addressing inequities for their own
sake was important.
There was brief council discussion on considering the amendment.
Flaherty withdrew Amendment 01. Piedmont-Smith objected. Withdrawal of Amendment 01
Withdrawal failed.
Steve Volan commented on the low pay for council and expressed Public comment:
concern that the clerk was not graded higher, at thirteen. He noted
statute forced council to set its salary but not whether or not the
position was full-time or part-time. The salary was far too low when
he served on council, but appreciated the health insurance. He noted
that council did not receive retirement. The Ad Hoc Salary
committee had established a scientific framework for evaluating a
difficult problem and it was not arbitrary. Councilmembers should
be adequately paid so as to not require outside income.
Joe Davis agreed that a living wage was appropriate for council. He
said the council and mayor had different purviews and should not
have salaries tied together.
Adrian Thomas spoke about living wages. He expressed concern
that so much of taxpayer’s went to the mayor. He believed that
council bore the brunt of the public’s concerns and should be
adequately compensated. He understood the purpose of the
legislation which gave value to councilmembers.
Renee Miller praised the late Cheryl Munson. She believed only a
COLA was sufficient.
Christopher Emge did not like tying council’s salary to the mayor’s.
The timing of the salary ordinance was not ideal since it was the
first year of a term. Though, he did believe council’s pay was low.
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Abby Stemler, Professor of Business Law and Ethics, IU, stated that Amendment 01 to Ordinance
the current compensation model of council excluded many talented 2024-26 (cont’d)
members from serving. Providing an equitable wage for council
broke down economic barriers for residents wanting to serve. Low Public comment:
pay inherently favored those with personal wealth or flexible job
arrangements. It did not represent the community correctly.
Chaz Gillespie supported council and clerk receiving higher pay.
Higher pay led to more people being interested in serving, which led
to a greater diversity of class, age, education, and more.
Jeff Richardson wondered what the two amendments were.
There was discussion on tabling something for consideration and Council discussion:
taking it from the table in the same meeting.
Stosberg moved and Asare seconded to table Amendment 01 to Vote to Table Amendment 01 to
Ordinance 2024-26. The motion was approved by a majority voice Ordinance 2024-26 [8:24pm]
vote.
Rollo moved and Ruff seconded that Amendment 02 to Ordinance Amendment 02 to Ordinance
2024-26 be adopted. Rollo presented the amendment outlining the 2024-26
salary increases for 2025. He had consulted with Mayor Thomson
who had set parameters that would be required for her signature on
legislation.
Amendment 02 Synopsis: This amendment is sponsored by Cms.
Dave Rollo and Andy Ruff and would change the proposed salaries
in Ordinance 2024-26 for 2025 as follows:
Set the Mayor’s salary at $138,031 adjusted in 2025 with a Cost
of Living Adjustment (COLA).
Set the Clerk’s salary at $90K for 2025 without a COLA.
Set the salary of Councilmembers at $25K for 2025 without a
COLA. The fiscal impact for the 2025 salaries proposed in this
amendment is estimated to be $45,972.92.
Stosberg noted the comparison of clerk, council, and mayoral Council questions:
salaries over time was inaccurately represented in the amendment
materials because the Y axis salary ranges were different. That
changed the perspective of the increase in salary over time. She
asked if that had been considered by the sponsors.
Rollo acknowledged that the Y axis salary ranges were different
but the historical data was accurate.
Asare asked how $25K was determined for council salaries.
Rollo believed a flaw of the Ad Hoc Salary committee was to not
reference peer cities’ salaries. He had compared cities with similar
populations to Bloomington, though Bloomington’s council likely
did more work and had a higher cost of living. He believed $25K was
ideal for council and if anything, was on the conservative side.
Asare asked if there were limitations with comparisons with
other cities. Or, if they increased salaries, so would Bloomington.
Rollo said yes, but highlighted there was a deadline. It was not the
end of the discussion for elected officials’ salaries. He had consulted
with the mayor and other councilmembers and his amendment was
viable. He said the original proposal had damaged the perception as
overreaching and self-serving.
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Rosenbarger asked if Rollo had spoken with the mayor or mayoral Amendment 02 to Ordinance
staff. She asked about the timeline for 2025, and if Rollo would 2024-26 (cont’d)
serve on the committee and work with consultants.
Rollo said he had corresponded with the mayor and spoken to
Deputy Mayor Knapp. He acknowledged working with consultants
was valuable. The previous administration had not kept up with
cost of living increases during high inflation. He thought focusing on
the lowest paid city employees was important. There was potential
to engage with the administration as partners.
Greg Alexander recognized that many councilmembers attended Public comment:
city and county meetings, and engaged with staff. He gave examples
of his displeasure with council’s effectiveness, such as city plans not
being implemented. Council was supposed to be a balance to the
mayor, but in essence, the mayor was writing the salary ordinance.
He believed the work the council did needed to be adequately
compensated in order to be effective and provide value.
Joe Davis believed there should be a COLA increase for mayor,
council, and clerk. Council was not equivalent to the mayor and
legislation should be considered to give council more authority. He
thought Amendment 02 was a good start. A committee reviewing
salaries should include members of the public.
Christopher Emge, Greater Bloomington Chamber of Commerce,
spoke in favor of Amendment 02 and gave reasons in support.
Jami Scholl said the timing of the salary ordinance was off. She
supported Amendment 02.
Steve Volan noted that pay was not done towards the end of term.
Council had never done the kind of work that the Ad Hoc Salary
committee had done, identifying principles for setting salaries. It
had always been assumed the mayor set the salary. The current
council was correcting that assumption. The committee had
developed a framework, in public meetings over six months. Low
pay restricted who could run for office, as well as suppressed
oversight of the administration. Council and mayor were coequal
branches of government. He gave additional reasons supporting
council setting adequate salaries.
Stosberg moved and Asare seconded to table Amendment 02 to Vote to put Amendment 02 on the
Ordinance 2024-06. The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 7, table [8:58pm]
Nays: 2 (Rollo, Ruff), Abstain: 0.
Stosberg moved and Asare seconded that the council suspend the Vote to suspend the rules
rules to allow each council member 3 minutes to comment on the [9:02pm]
proposed amendments or the ordinance as a whole. The motion
received a roll call vote of Ayes: 9, Nays: 0, Abstain: 0.
Flaherty did not have a preference on the amendments because Consideration of Amendment 01
there was not a large difference. He noted the extensive discussion and Amendment 02 to Ordinance
on council’s opinions, rationales, and the possible mayoral veto. 2024-26
Zulich would support Amendment 02 and thanked councilmembers Council discussion:
for their work on the ordinance. She thanked Clerk Bolden and
Taylor Brown, Legislative Affairs Specialist, for having attended all
of the committee meetings.
Rollo clarified that Amendment 02 had not been authored by the
mayor. There had been collaboration and he was confident that the
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legislation, with Amendment 02, would not be vetoed. He thanked Consideration of Amendment 01
the committee for their work and for setting parameters for future and Amendment 02 to Ordinance
discussions. 2024-26 (cont’d)
Ruff recognized the committee’s work which would be valuable for
future consideration of elected officials’ salaries. He believed it was Council discussion:
not the right time for the ordinance as written.
Daily appreciated the committee’s extensive work and the sponsors
of both amendments. She appreciated that Amendment 01 was a
good response to council’s concerns, though she did not support the
proposed schedule of pay increases through 2028. She would
support Amendment 02. She did not question the motives of each
councilmember. She cautioned council to not lose the public’s trust.
Rosenbarger noted research showed that the most self-serving issue
for city councils was to keep pay low so as to restrict who was able
to run for office. It was interesting to see how individuals would
rationalize the difference of the amendments because they were
very similar. She highlighted that the mayor had suggested a salary
for herself that was greater than the two other branches of
government and stated that was the only way she would not veto.
She had larger questions, such as what council wanted to be. Some
councilmembers preferred to rubber-stamp items and avoid conflict
or vetoes with the administration. She put in a disproportionate
amount of work than some councilmembers.
Asare did not believe it was appropriate for council to consider
raising their salary at the time. He had made suggestions on raising
the clerk’s salary. He spoke about his experience running for council
and the pushback he’d received as well as the amount of time spent
on council meetings, et cetera. He wished that council had other
opportunities to discuss the framework the committee had
developed. He appreciated there was a framework to initiate the
discussion in coming years though he did not intend to run for
council again.
Stosberg said the committee had determined the proposed salaries
based on the position, not the current individuals in the position.
There were equity flaws with only providing a standard COLA
increase with the position at the top of the pay scale receiving a
much larger increase than the bottom. That increased the wage gap
significantly. For council, a COLA increase resulted in $635 and for
the mayor it would be over $4000. She noted factors like inflation
and a high cost of groceries, and more. She would support
Amendment 01 since it was based on the framework.
Piedmont-Smith said that during the Committee of the Whole
meeting on September 25, 2024, councilmembers, mayor, and clerk
discussed how elected officials’ salaries should be determined for
2025. Mayor Thomson suggested identifying guiding principles and
working with an external consultant was ideal. Council had created
the Ad Hoc Salary committee which identified guiding principles.
The committee had worked with a consultant, Crowe. She was
grateful to the committee for their work. Criticism of the outcome
did not focus on the guiding principles created by the committee.
She stated that current salaries were not a viable starting point. She
discussed current pay and noted that she spent around twenty
hours per week on council items. That was the amount of time
needed to adequately serve the public. Serving on council was
complex, using independent judgement, knowing consequence of
errors, and having external work relationships. To make serving on
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council accessible to all socioeconomic groups, council needed to Consideration of Amendment 01
significantly increase the salary. She added that the salary of city and Amendment 02 to Ordinance
clerks had been systematically undervalued for decades. The duties 2024-26 (cont’d)
of the clerk should be valued higher than Amendment 02. She
supported Amendment 01 but would support Amendment 02 if
Amendment 01 did not get a vote. She urged council to continue the
work of the Ad Hoc Salary committee.
Stosberg moved and Piedmont-Smith seconded to take Amendment Vote to take Amendment 01 to
01 to Ordinance 2024-26 off the table. The motion received a roll Ordinance 2024-26 off the table
call vote of Ayes: 7, Nays: 2 (Asare, Rosenbarger), Abstain: 0. [9:22pm]
There were no council comments. Council comments:
The motion to adopt Amendment 01 to Ordinance 2024-26 received Vote to adopt Amendment 01 to
a roll call vote of Ayes: 4 (Flaherty, Piedmont-Smith, Rosenbarger, Ordinance 2024-26 [9:23pm]
Stosberg), Nays: 5 (Asare, Daily, Rollo, Ruff, Zulich), Abstain: 0.
FAILED
Stosberg moved and Asare seconded to take Amendment 02 to Vote to take Amendment 02 to
Ordinance 2024-26 off the table. The motion was approved by a Ordinance 2024-26 off the table
voice vote. [9:24pm]
There were no council comments. Council comments:
The motion to adopt Amendment 02 to Ordinance 2024-26 received Vote to adopt Amendment 02 to
a roll call vote of Ayes: 8, Nays: 1 (Stosberg), Abstain: 0. Ordinance 2024-26 [9:23pm]
There were no council questions. Council questions:
Renee Miller appreciated Stosberg’s example of the pay inequities. Public comment:
Ruff said that for council to be an effective balance to the mayor, Council comments:
councilmembers needed to be informed on issues, which took time.
The mayor had hundreds of specialized experts. Councilmembers
could spend endless time on items for consideration but each
individual councilmember had to determine the balance. It had been
a difficult but useful discussion.
Asare said council and mayor were coequal branches of government
with the purpose of giving value to residents. There was a system of
checks and balances between branches but cautioned on a
contrarian tone. He spoke about council processes, codification of
process, and council’s agency. He believed that meeting once per
month was sufficient to give councilmembers time to become
informed on matters before council. Council had a close relationship
with residents and could bring their issues to the mayor.
Stosberg said salary discussions were never comfortable, nor was
determining someone’s value by their pay. She was disappointed the
recommended framework had been so easily dismissed. She spoke
about her experience with being undercompensated; as a high
school teacher, environmental educator, and a stay at home parent.
She expressed concern that the process had resulted in council
undervaluing itself. There was a basic counterbalance in
government, for council, which included the final approval of the
$150 million city budget. All of the elected officials’ salary
comprised less than 0.5% of the civil city budget. To believe that
councilmembers should not be equitably paid was not good
oversight for things like the city budget. She commented that it was
easier to focus on smaller numbers.
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Piedmont-Smith stated that collaboration with the mayor was Ordinance 2024-26 as amended
important. She had regular meetings with the mayor, as council (cont’d)
president. The meeting that had been scheduled for the previous
day, had been canceled, but Piedmont-Smith was able to speak to Council comments:
the mayor two days ago for a short period of time. She had asked
Mayor Thomson to call her to discuss the ordinance prior to the
meeting, but that had not occurred. She had made attempts to
collaborate with Mayor Thomson and noted it had to be reciprocal.
It would have been best to have the full council review the
framework prior to the writing of the ordinance, but there had not
been enough time. The framework was valuable and a great start
but had been dismissed when a councilmember posted online about
their outrage at the proposal. That had become the public
conversation rather than the logical, rational framework for elected
officials’ salaries. She hoped that would not occur again, especially
since it came close to assuming bad intentions by the committee.
Ruff clarified that he had meant to say checks and balances.
Flaherty appreciated Piedmont-Smith’s comment noting the
remarks from the mayor suggesting the course of action, which the
committee had done. It had been a short timeframe. He suspected
salary increases beyond COLA would not occur. If council was
serious about analyzing elected officials’ salaries in a logical,
structured way that centered values and data, rather than just
comparisons to other cities, then he urged council to do so in early
2025. It was clear that it would be a long undertaking that required
the full council.
Rosenbarger supported salary increases due to Bloomington’s high
cost of living causing residents being pushed out of the city.
Increasing housing and salaries were ways to address that. Council
could influence city salaries, allowing people to live in Bloomington.
She noted that councilmembers not on the Ad Hoc Salary committee
had not attended the public meetings, nor had they reached out
individually. Things like universal basic income would help people
do things like run for office. She said that recently, council had not
been debating the substance of an item but instead things like
timing, mayoral vetoes, and more. Council was willing to collaborate
with the administration and had been patient throughout the
transition. It was unfortunate that the salary ordinances had been
brought to council at the last minute, and that the administration
had not allowed council to raise their staff’s salaries. The
administration had made it clear what ordinance would not be
vetoed. She expressed concern about what had been happening with
the council and mayor and noted that the previous administration
had more collaboration with council. Delaying as well as creating a
sense of urgency was not the best way to approach an issue. She
added that she had only received three emails from residents and
one person who told her in person that they hoped council received
a significant salary increase.
Stosberg said her vote against Amendment 02 was a statement
about wage gaps and inequities. She spoke about council having
been underpaid for a long time. Closing the wage gap was important
and if doing it all at once was not comfortable, then working
towards closing the gap was necessary. The current gap was about
$6000 and there were still inequities in the elected officials’ salaries.
p. 12 Meeting Date: 12-11-24
The motion to adopt Ordinance 2024-26 as amended received a roll Vote to adopt Ordinance 2024-26
call vote of Ayes: 7, Nays: 1 (Asare), Abstain: 0. (Flaherty out of the as amended [9:52pm]
room).
Stosberg moved and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-27 be Ordinance 2024-27 – To Amend
introduced and read by title and synopsis only. The motion was title 2 of the Bloomington
approved by voice vote. Bolden read the legislation by title and Municipal Code Entitled
synopsis. “Administration and Personnel”
Re: The Establishment of the
Stosberg moved and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-27 be Advisory Transportation
adopted. Commission [9:53pm]
Ryan Robling, Planning Services Manager, Planning and
Transportation (PT) department, presented the legislation including
the purpose of the new Advisory Transportation Commission (ATC),
membership requirements, powers and duties, and decision-
making. The commission would be staffed by the engineering
department except when the ATC was serving as a steering
committee. It would then be staff by PT staff.
Flaherty moved and Ruff seconded that Amendment 02 to Amendment 02 to Ordinance
Ordinance 2024-27 be adopted. Flaherty presented the amendment 2024-27
and gave details in support.
Amendment 02 Synopsis: This amendment, sponsored by Cm.
Flaherty, would replace Ordinance 2024-27 in its entirety with an
amended version of the ordinance that would make several changes,
both typographical and substantive. Among the substantive
changes, Ordinance 2024-27, as replaced by Amendment 02, would
incorporate more of the currently existing Parking Commission’s
purview into the new commission, giving it additional powers
specific to parking and transportation policy review and
recommendation. The amended ordinance would also change some
of the types of residents given preference for appointment. Other
language emphasizing climate change mitigation and the
prioritization of non-automotive modes of transportation is also
added via this amendment. Finally, this amendment would remove
the word “Advisory” from the “Advisory Transportation
Commission” so that the new commission will simply become the
“Transportation Commission”.
Piedmont-Smith asked for staff’s feedback. Council questions:
Robling said staff was in support of Amendment 02.
Ruff asked about the germaneness of Amendment 02.
Ash Kulak, Deputy Attorney/Administrator, said it had significant
changes as well as typographical corrections. The changes were
substantive.
Stosberg asked if the additional responsibilities gave staff pause.
Robling viewed Amendment 02 as clarifying language and would
not affect staff. Instead of doing the work for three commissions, it
would be done for one.
Flaherty clarified city code that addressed amendments to
ordinances and what constituted germaneness. Adding substantive
changes to the legislation via an amendment was germane.
Steve Volan, Chair of the Parking Commission (PC), said the Public comments:
commission had achieved the goal of a comprehensive parking
policy and reports to council which had been very labor intensive.
Meeting Date: 12-11-24 p. 13
He noted hindrances to the PC like the former chair having to Amendment 02 to Ordinance
submit a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to obtain 2024-27 (cont’d)
parking data, and the mayor not making appointments. The PC
never had a budget, and were not consulted on things like a parking Public comments:
study request for proposal. The most significant reason for the
legislation was to reduce bureaucracy. He said none of the three
commissions had been invited to speak at the meeting. There was
not a deadline for the legislation, unlike the salary ordinances.
Joe Davis commented on his experience with a neighbor’s uReports
about his cars which were not abandoned, but were being reported
as such. He did not support combining the PC into the ATC.
Chris Sturbaum said it was important for commissions to report to
council. He urged council not to create the ATC without any
oversight by council.
Janis Sorby believed it was important for the committee to have
oversight.
Wendy Bernstein agreed that there needed to be oversight and did
not support the ATC.
Stosberg asked for clarity on how the public would interact with the Council comments:
commission or if removing the word “Advisory” changed things.
Robling said nothing in Amendment 02 would change how the
public interacted with the commission.
Rollo asked if the commission would be advisory.
Robling said the ATC was based off the Plan Commission, which
was also advisory. The commission would make recommendations.
Ruff said the Plan Commission had statutorily-defined duties. He
expressed concern with removing the word “advisory.”
Flaherty said the question of roles and duties was relevant. While
the commission would be new, the duties that were giving people
pause were already present in current commissions that were being
consolidated. He acknowledged Chair Volan’s concerns and noted
that the three commissions had discussed the proposal. The PC had
issues with resources, like staffing. Parking would be a focus with
the new commission.
Piedmont-Smith asked Flaherty why it was important to remove the
word “advisory.”
Flaherty said because the commission should be called the
Transportation Commission and not the ATC. He spoke about the
statutory boards and commissions.
Stosberg read the purpose of the commission and highlighted that
the commission shall provide recommendations and guidance to the
mayor and Common Council. Changing the name did not change the
purpose. Since staff was not concerned she would support
Amendment 02.
Rollo agreed that Amendment 02 did not change the commission’s
advisory status.
Piedmont-Smith appreciated Flaherty bringing forth Amendment 02
and the added language to include the Parking Commission’s duties.
p. 14 Meeting Date: 12-11-24
The motion to adopt Amendment 02 to Ordinance 2024-27 received Vote to adopt Amendment 02 to
a roll call vote of Ayes: 8, Nays: 1(Ruff), Abstain: 0. Ordinance 2024-27 [10:38pm]
Ruff moved and Rollo seconded to adopt Amendment 01 to Amendment 01 to Ordinance
Ordinance 2024-27. Ruff presented the amendment and gave 2024-27
reasons in support. Rollo added additional information.
Amendment 01 Synopsis: This amendment, sponsored by Cm. Ruff,
would recognize the role of the new Advisory Transportation
Commission as an advisory body, replacing words like “oversight”
and “determine” with “advisory” and “provide input”. The
amendment also adds an additional requirement to the code section
governing the Traffic Calming and Greenways Program (TCGP), in
which the role of the Advisory Transportation Commission would
be to review and make recommendations to the Common Council,
rather than administer the Program along with the Department of
Planning and Transportation. Further amendments to the TCGP
guidelines would be necessary to accomplish the precise role of the
Common Council in receiving and taking action upon such
recommendations.
Robling said staff questioned the germaneness of Amendment 01
because it could not address all the things that would need to be
changed in Title 15. Amendment 01 focused on giving council
oversight over traffic-calming and greenway program. That was not
relevant to Ordinance 2024-27. He gave additional details.
Andrew Cibor, City Engineer, pointed out that council had recently
approved the Safe Streets and Roads 4 All (SS4A) action plan. A key
component was establishing a public engagement process which
would inform how to prioritize projects. He urged council to allow
implementation of the plan first. Ordinance 2024-27 combined
three commissions into one. Sometimes staff presented to all three,
and then to council. The purpose of the legislation was to receive a
variety of opinions, which might not always agree, in order to
review projects comprehensively.
Piedmont-Smith asked if Amendment 01 would need to be updated
to remove the word “Advisory.”
Kulak said Amendment 01 could be amended. There was brief
discussion on changing the language in Amendment 01 based on
Amendment 02.
Piedmont-Smith moved and Stosberg seconded to call a ten-minute Recess
recess. The motion was approved by a voice vote.
Piedmont-Smith reconvened the meeting. Reconvening
Stosberg moved and Ruff seconded to replace Amendment 01 with Amendment to Amendment 01 to
Amendment 01 as amended. This amendment to the amendment Ordinance 2024-27
aligns the language of the ordinance with changes made from
Amendment 02 and retains the changes from the original
Amendment 01 to Ordinance 2024-27. Stosberg explained the
amendment to Amendment 01.
There were no council questions. Council questions:
There was no public comment. Public comments:
Ruff thanked Stosberg, Council Attorney/Administrator Lisa Lehner, Council comments:
and Kulak for their quick work on amending Amendment 01.
Meeting Date: 12-11-24 p. 15
The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 9, Nays: 0, Abstain: 0. Vote to amend Amendment 01
[11:13pm]
Stosberg asked for clarification on Robling’s reference to Title 15.
Robling responded that Amendment 01 should be a separate Amendment 01 as amended to
ordinance, and not an amendment. Staff was willing to explore the Ordinance 2024-27 (cont’d)
proposal, but it should not be an amendment to Title 2 legislation.
Council questions:
Ruff asked for council staff’s feedback.
Kulak said that Robert’s Rules of Order (RRO) stated that the
Chair could determine if an item was germane, or could call the
question for the full council to determine. Ordinance 2024-27 would
amend Title 15 so Amendment 01 could too. The traffic-calming and
greenways program guidelines would not be changed by
Amendment 01. They gave additional details.
Ruff said Amendment 01 indicated that there would need to be
further amendments to accomplish the goals.
Kulak clarified that Amendment 01 added that the new
commission would make recommendations to the full council.
Flaherty said the sponsors’ goal was to change the traffic-calming
and greenways program, but Amendment 01 did not accomplish
that. A separate ordinance designed to change how the program
functioned would be needed, and had been done the previous year
but had failed 4-5. He asked if it was correct that Amendment 01
was nonsensical because it would not change the program.
Robling confirmed that was correct.
Ruff said Ordinance 2024-27 changed Title 15 which was what
Amendment 01 intended to do.
Kulak said a future ordinance would be needed to change the
guidelines because Amendment 01 did not do so.
There was additional discussion on actions council could take.
Stosberg asked if council had to pass the legislation that evening or
if it could be considered in January.
Robling said if the Transportation Commission was not
established that evening, it would not be problematic.
Margie Rice, Corporation Counsel, concurred that the intent of
Amendment 01 was substantive enough to require a longer
conversation and legislation, possibly.
Rollo asked if the traffic-calming and greenways program would
have to be revised since it referenced the Bicycle and Pedestrian
Safety commission.
Rice said most likely yes.
Rollo asked why legislation on the traffic-calming and greenways
program was not brought to council with Ordinance 2024-27.
Rice discussed roles of council, commissions, mayors and more
and said further discussion was needed.
Rollo asked what the next steps were for amending Title 15.
Kulak explained how amendments and Ordinance 2024-27
revised Title 15.
Piedmont-Smith asked if it was correct that only if Amendment 01
passed, would Title 15 need to be amended.
Robling confirmed that was correct.
Ruff moved and Rollo seconded to withdraw Amendment 01 to Motion to withdraw Amendment
Ordinance 2024-27. 01 to Ordinance 2024-27
p. 16 Meeting Date: 12-11-24
Stosberg moved and Zulich seconded that Ordinance 2024-27 as Motion to postpone Ordinance
amended be postponed indefinitely. 2024-27 as amended
Flaherty said it seemed that the primary question pertained to the Council discussion:
traffic-calming and greenways program and not Ordinance 2024-
27’s goal of establishing the Transportation Commission. He
preferred voting on Ordinance 2024-27 that evening.
Rosenbarger concurred with Flaherty.
Rollo stated that he would invoke the midnight rule which would
result in a postponement.
Stosberg noted that staff said that postponing the legislation would
not harm the commission, and that it was late and there were still
two more amendments.
The motion to postpone Ordinance 2024-27 as amended Vote to postpone Ordinance 2024-
indefinitely received a roll call vote of Ayes: 5 (Daily, Rollo, Ruff, 27 as amended [11:45pm]
Stosberg, Zulich), Nays: 4 (Asare, Flaherty, Piedmont-Smith,
Rosenbarger), Abstain: 0.
Greg Alexander commented that evening was the second time in the ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT
recent weeks that the item he was interested in was not discussed. [11:45pm]
Wendy Bernstein said that it was important for council to receive COUNCIL SCHEDULE [11:46pm]
feedback by the public and not have city departments make
decisions.
Chris Sturbaum expressed disdain for having to wait so long for the
public to make comments.
Joe Davis concurred with Bernstein and Sturbaum.
Piedmont-Smith acknowledged it was the last meeting of 2024. ADJOURNMENT [11:51pm]
She thanked councilmembers for their service and for entrusting
her with presidency. She thanked council staff. She wished
everyone happy holidays. She thanked Clerk Bolden and deputy
clerks. She adjourned the meeting.
APPROVED by the Common Council of the City of Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana upon this
05 day of ____________________,
_____ March 2025.
APPROVE: ATTEST:
_________________________________________ _______________________________________
Hopi Stosberg, PRESIDENT Nicole Bolden, CLERK
Bloomington Common Council City of Bloomington
Agenda
MEMORANDUM
Bloomington Common Council-Regular Session
City Hall, 401 N. Morton Street, Bloomington, Indiana
Wednesday, December 11, 2024
Meeting called to order: 6:31pm
Council President Isabel Piedmont-Smith presided.
ROLL CALL
Councilmembers present: Isak Nti Asare, Courtney Daily, Matt Flaherty, Isabel Piedmont-Smith, Dave
Rollo, Kate Rosenbarger, Andy Ruff, Hopi Stosberg, Sydney Zulich.
Councilmembers present via Zoom: none
Councilmembers absent: none
City staff, officials, and guests present: Jessica McClellan, Gretchen Knapp, Ryan Robling, Andrew Cibor,
Margie Rice (via Zoom), Lisa Lehner, Ash Kulak, Clerk Nicole Bolden
AGENDA SUMMATION
Council President Isabel Piedmont-Smith gave a land and labor acknowledgment and summarized the
agenda.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
There were no minutes for approval.
REPORTS
APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
There were no appointments for boards and commissions.
LEGISLATION FOR FIRST READINGS
There was no legislation for the first reading.
LEGISLATION FOR SECOND READING AND RESOLUTIONS
Appropriation Ordinance 2024-09 – To Specially Appropriate from the General Fund, Economic
Development Lit Fund, Parks and Recreation General Fund, Public Safety LIT Fund, ARPA Local Fiscal
Recovery Fund and Alternative Transportation Fund Expenditures Not Otherwise Appropriated
(Appropriating Various Transfers of Funds within the General Fund, Economic Development LIT Fund,
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Parks & Recreation General Fund, Public Safety LIT Fund, ARPA Local Fiscal Recovery Fund, and
Alternative Transportation Fund)
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Ruff seconded that Appropriation Ordinance 2024-09 be introduced and
read by title and synopsis only.
ACTION: The motion was approved by voice vote.
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Ruff seconded that Appropriation Ordinance 2024-09 be adopted.
ACTION: The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 9, Nays: 0, Abstain: 0.
Ordinance 2024-25 – An Ordinance to Amend Ordinance 23-25 That Fixed the Salaries of Appointed
Officers, Non-Union, and A.F.S.C.M.E. Employees for All the Departments of the City of Bloomington,
Monroe County, Indiana for the Year 2024
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-25 be introduced and read by title
and synopsis only.
ACTION: The motion was approved by voice vote.
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-25 be adopted.
ACTION: The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 9, Nays: 0, Abstain: 0.
Ordinance 2024-26 – To Fix the Salaries of All Elected City Officials for the City of Bloomington for the
Year 2025
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-26 be introduced and read by title
and synopsis only.
ACTION: The motion was approved by voice vote.
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-26 be adopted.
MOTION: Flaherty moved, and Ruff seconded that Amendment 01 to Ordinance 2024-26 be
adopted.
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Asare seconded to table Amendment 01 to Ordinance 2024-26.
ACTION: The motion was approved by voice vote.
MOTION: Rollo moved, and Ruff seconded that Amendment 02 to Ordinance 2024-26 be adopted.
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Asare seconded to table Amendment 02 to Ordinance 2024-26.
ACTION: The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 7, Nays: 2 (Rollo, Ruff), Abstain: 0.
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MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Asare seconded that the council suspend the rules to allow each
council member 3 minutes to comment on the proposed amendments or the ordinance as a whole.
ACTION: The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 9, Nays: 0, Abstain: 0.
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Piedmont-Smith seconded to take Amendment 01 to Ordinance
2024-26 off the table.
ACTION: The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 7, Nays: 2 (Asare, Rosenbarger), Abstain: 0.
ACTION: The motion to adopt Amendment 01 to Ordinance 2024-26 received a roll call vote of
Ayes: 4 (Flaherty, Piedmont-Smith, Rosenbarger, Stosberg), Nays: 5 (Asare, Daily, Rollo, Ruff,
Zulich), Abstain: 0.
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Asare seconded to take Amendment 02 to Ordinance 2024-26 off
the table.
ACTION: The motion was approved by voice vote.
ACTION: The motion to adopt Amendment 02 to Ordinance 2024-26 received a roll call vote of
Ayes: 8, Nays: 1 (Stosberg), Abstain: 0.
ACTION: The motion to adopt Ordinance 2024-26 as amended received a roll call vote of Ayes: 7, Nays: 1
(Asare), Abstain: 0. (Flaherty out of the room)
Ordinance 2024-27 – To Amend title 2 of the Bloomington Municipal Code Entitled “Administration and
Personnel” Re: The Establishment of the Advisory Transportation Commission
MOTION: Stosberg moved and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-27 be introduced and read by title and
synopsis only.
ACTION: The motion was approved by voice vote.
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Ruff seconded that Ordinance 2024-27 be adopted.
MOTION: Flaherty moved, and Ruff seconded that Amendment 02 to Ordinance 2024-27 be
adopted.
ACTION: The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 8, Nays: 1(Ruff), Abstain: 0.
MOTION: Ruff moved, and Rollo seconded that Amendment 01 to Ordinance 2024-27 be adopted.
MOTION: Piedmont-Smith moved and Stosberg seconded to call a ten-minute recess.
ACTION: The motion was approved by voice vote.
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Ruff seconded to replace Amendment 01 with Amendment 01 as
amended. This amendment to the amendment aligns the language of the ordinance with changes
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made from Amendment 02 and retains the changes from the original Amendment 01 to Ordinance
2024-27.
ACTION: The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 9, Nays: 0, Abstain: 0.
ACTION: Ruff moved, and Rollo seconded to withdraw Amendment 01 to Ordinance 2024-27.
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Zulich seconded that Ordinance 2024-27 as amended be postponed
indefinitely.
ACTION: The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 5 (Daily, Rollo, Ruff, Stosberg, Zulich), Nays: 4
(Asare, Flaherty, Piedmont-Smith, Rosenbarger), Abstain: 0.
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT
COUNCIL SCHEDULE
ADJOURNMENT [11:51pm]
ACTION: Piedmont-Smith adjourned the meeting.
Memorandum prepared by:
Clerk Nicole Bolden
City of Bloomington
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