Common Council Special Meeting
Special MeetingBloomington, IN · December 10, 2024
Minutes
In the Council Chambers of the Showers City Hall, Bloomington, COMMON COUNCIL
Indiana on Tuesday, December 10, 2024 at 7:30pm, Council SPECIAL SESSION
President Isabel Piedmont-Smith presided over a Special Session of December 10, 2024
the Common Council.
Councilmembers present: Courtney Daily (arrived at 7:57pm), Matt ROLL CALL [7:30pm]
Flaherty, Isabel Piedmont-Smith, Dave Rollo, Kate Rosenbarger,
Andy Ruff, Hopi Stosberg, Sydney Zulich
Councilmembers present via Zoom: none
Councilmembers absent: Isak Nti Asare
Council President Isabel Piedmont-Smith gave a land and labor AGENDA SUMMATION [7:31pm]
acknowledgment and summarized the agenda.
Stosberg moved and Ruff seconded to structure the discussion. The Vote to structure discussion
motion was approved by voice vote. [7:35pm]
DISCUSSION OF ORDINANCE
2024-26 [7:35pm]
Stosberg commenced the discussion by providing a brief history of Ordinance 2024-26 – TO FIX THE
the city’s elected officials’ salaries and statutory authority that SALARIES OF ALL ELECTED CITY
allowed council to fix elected officials’ salaries. She noted the Ad Hoc OFFICIALS FOR THE CITY OF
Salary committee’s context and purpose, and that the committee BLOOMINGTON FOR THE YEAR
had opted to begin with a blank slate, not replicating past practice 2025
or have specific salaries in mind. The committee consulted with
Crowe LLP who was engaged with the administration regarding civil
city salaries. She explained potential options for Crowe and the
committee and described the process the committee had
undertaken, facilitated by Crowe. Clerk Nicole Bolden, Sharr Pechac,
Director of Human Resources, and Taylor Brown, Legislative Affairs
Specialist, Office of the Mayor, and Sam Roll, Council’s O’Neill Fellow
had all attended the committee meetings. The committee developed
a set of guiding principles, established a basis of salary setting,
identified relevant information and data, and set an annual process
for fixing elected official salaries moving forward.
Zulich presented the guiding principles including accessibility of
public service, equitable pay, quality community service, informed
decisions, and transparent and documented processes. She gave
details on each guiding principle.
Stosberg described the development on the basis of salary setting.
She discussed several approaches like setting the mayor’s salary,
then setting council and clerk salaries as a percentage of the mayor’s
or perhaps benchmarking to other Indiana second class cities.
Rosenbarger said the approaches that most aligned with the guiding
principles was setting the mayor’s salary, or the clerk’s salary, and
basing the others on that salary. The approaches that aligned the
least were to set salaries based on what was paid the previous year
or benchmarking to other Indiana second class cities. She explained
anchoring bias which was a cognitive bias that caused one to heavily
rely on the first piece of information on a topic. That risked skewing
a decision and not having an objective analysis based on a set of
principles. She explained the recommended basis of salary setting,
and the elected official compensation framework.
Flaherty explained that the committee started with a sequenced
process, first identifying what outcomes and values were being
sought. The committee considered information relevant to enable
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the council to make informed decisions. These items included the Ordinance 2024-26 (cont’d)
Civil City pay ranges, city budget constraints and capacity,
consultation with Bloomington’s elected officials, anonymously
sourced input from councilmembers on hours required to meet
expectations. The mayor and clerk provided comments to the
committee. Additionally, the committee considered elected official
salaries for Monroe County and other Indiana second class cities as
well as the Bloomington Area Median Income (AMI) and cost of
living. He provided details on each data point. The committee
recommended an annual process and Flaherty briefly described the
timeline. He spoke about applying the framework to develop salary
recommendations based on the five guiding principles. He explained
the recommended salaries for the mayor, clerk, and council with
detailed rationale from the committee. The mayor would have a
midpoint grade fourteen, with a salary of $151,410. The clerk would
have a midpoint grade of thirteen, with a salary of $129,780.
Councilmembers would have a salary of $45,423, a percentage of
the mayor’s salary. He said the councilmember survey included time
preparing for meetings, hours in noticed meetings, constituent and
community services, and legislative and policy development, review,
and refinement. Some examples included reading packet materials,
working with staff, individual research, regular and special sessions,
responding to emails, attending neighborhood meetings, review of
city plans to better understand policy implementation, and more.
Rosenbarger said Ordinance 2024-26 was part of salary increases
citywide, starting with a salary study initiated by the former mayor,
John Hamilton, and ending in Mayor Thomson’s term. The city
aimed to be an employer of choice, striving to provide a competitive
total compensation package. The city valued reasonably higher
salaries for leadership positions, especially those with widespread
impact on the community. The committee attempted to correct
historic inequities with a more significant adjustment. However, the
committee opted to phase in the increase.
Shannon Madden, Crowe LLC, said Crowe’s goal was to facilitate the
committee meetings and to develop a structured process; not to
make recommendations. She stated that committee members had
presented the process well that evening. They had prioritized the
values-driven framework based on the guiding principles. There
had been a lot of critical thinking and analysis throughout the
process. Consultants from Crowe provided a summary
memorandum of the process which was included in the packet
materials.
Rosenbarger presented alternatives and encouraged those with
proposed changes to the salary ordinance to engage with the
Elected Official Compensation Framework. Some considerations
included analyzing the guiding principles, the basis of salary setting,
and the application of both. If councilmembers disagreed with those
items, she asked what they recommended be added or removed.
Piedmont-Smith noted the structure of debate.
Rollo said the recommended salaries were shocking but recognized Council discussion:
the committee’s good work with developing a framework. He had
only seen the salary when the packet was distributed. He asked if
the committee had looked at other cities in Indiana.
Stosberg had not liked the final compensation amounts and the
committee had considered ways to adjust the pay. She believed the
salary ordinance needed to go before the full council for debate.
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Historically, Indiana clerks and council were underpaid and she Ordinance 2024-26 (cont’d)
expressed concern about the community backlash. She reiterated
that state code authorized council as the only body to fix elected Council discussion:
officials’ salaries so it was not surprising that pay around the state
was low. Surveying other council’s duties would have yielded
interesting information but there had not been time to conduct a
study. It was uncomfortable to discuss salaries but it was necessary
and the service council provided was valuable.
Flaherty clarified that if the basis of benchmarking was the tool to
be used, then the committee would have researched other cities’
council’s duties. Much of that research had already been done.
Councilmembers had researched meeting structures, and Clerk
Bolden had researched meeting frequency. It was clear that
Bloomington had a much more active council with a higher
expectation of community engagement and collaboration in
producing policy and legislation. There were significant differences
that warranted a different approach than simple comparisons. The
position of clerk was historically and commonly held by women and
was systemically undervalued. There was academic research
highlighting that councils were often underpaid because they had to
set their own salary. There was not an incentive for increasing pay
which led to systemic depression of council salaries. That was not
the case for mayors. He spoke about benchmarking and different
ways to approach it.
Piedmont-Smith asked for clarification between accessibility of
public service and quality community service.
Zulich responded that accessibility referred to whether or not
anyone could hold the position while quality referred to attracting
good people.
Rosenbarger added that accessibility externally referred to the
qualification of the job while quality internally referred to working
with staff, engaging with the community, and more.
Stosberg said that quality community service was the overall goal
for all elected officials. She discussed intrinsic and extrinsic
motivations for those serving in public office. Paying elected officials
well, improved quality community service and addressed inequities.
Rosenbarger noted that many people chose not to serve because
of the low pay. The purpose was to entice qualified candidates to
run for office.
Daily asked why make the increases to elected officials’ salaries that
year. She said pushback from the public included raising salaries for
the next council.
Flaherty reiterated that council had never fixed its own salary so
the inequity had just continued over the years. And unless there
were to be nine new councilmembers, then there would be
councilmembers voting on their own salary regardless. The
proposal was part of the citywide effort to make city salaries
competitive; to correct years’ of inequity. There were people in
senior leadership receiving a $30,000 increase to their salary.
Increasing salary for future council had also not occurred for city
council, though it had statutory requirements to do so.
Zulich commented on staff turnover during the budget process
which related to retention.
Stosberg asked if not now, when. At some point, council needed
to address the inequity in its compensation.
Rollo spoke about council’s role in public service and acknowledged
different socioeconomic statuses. He believed that taking major
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action at the time appeared to the public as self-serving. He Ordinance 2024-26 (cont’d)
referenced the B Square Beacon that listed elected officials’ salaries.
He commented on the clerk’s salary. He believed council was Council discussion:
underpaid in comparison to other cities in Indiana and said the
former administration had only done COLA increases even with high
inflation. A modest increase in pay was justifiable but anything
larger should be for the next council and clerk. He said the mayor’s
pay was fine, the clerk’s salary could increase a bit, and council’s
should increase.
Stosberg asked what a modest number would be.
Rollo referenced other cities like Carmel and Fishers, which had
salaries around $20,000+. He recognized that Bloomington’s council
was more active and the high cost of living of the city. Around
$26,000 was reasonable, give or take a thousand dollars.
Piedmont-Smith asked if Rollo focused on comparisons to other
cities and the cost of living in a city.
Rollo said yes. The clerk in Carmel, made approximately
$129,000 but was also clerk for the municipal court. He noted that
the mayor and the clerk had benefitted by adding employees.
Council had not.
Rosenbarger spoke about public service, and the value in public
good, but said it was elitist and exclusionary to pay those in public
service less; it went against the guiding principles such as equity.
She reiterated that working in public service simply for the good of
the public was not in the framework or guiding principles identified
by the committee. Employees of Cook, Indiana University, or even
city staff were not asked why they were paid so much. Perhaps
individuals could donate a portion of their salary for the greater
good instead of making a fair market wage. She urged council to use
the framework.
Clerk Bolden noted the passing of Monroe County Councilor Cheryl
Munson and expressed deep sympathy to her family. It was a
significant loss to the community. She clarified that the mayors of
Carmel, Hammond, Fishers, Fort Wayne, Noblesville, Gary, and
Lafayette all made over $140,000. Bringing Bloomington’s mayoral
salary to $141,000, she would be the eighth or ninth highest paid
mayor in Indiana. The increase to the clerk’s salary would be large,
depending on the final number. Bolden explained that
Bloomington’s Office of the City Clerk had adjudication duties. No
city clerk in second class cities, in the state of Indiana, had controller
duties; only clerk-treasurers in third class cities and towns did. The
Office of the City Clerk had only recently been back to the staffing
levels of Bolden’s predecessor. Clerk staff had decreased while at
the same time, work load increased with council meetings nearly
doubling. It was a misrepresentation to say that staff had been
added. Council had requested and approved an additional staff
member for the clerk’s office to cover additional duties.
Flaherty thanked Rollo for commenting, and believed benchmarking
was important to Rollo. The committee had defined things like
equitable pay according to levels of responsibility, and relative to
other Bloomington elected officials and departmental leadership. He
noted that perhaps Rollo defined equity through population. It was
important to know what councilmembers thought about salary
changes. Flaherty thought it best to phase in increases and gave
examples. He cautioned only using benchmarking to other cities.
Currently, there were department heads’ salaries increasing from
$117,000 to $151,000. That information was relative to the
consideration of increases for elected officials. He hoped council
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was able to attain an outcome that the majority or the full council Ordinance 2024-26 (cont’d)
could support.
Council discussion:
There was brief discussion on potential amendments to Ordinance
2024-26.
Daily said she and Zulich were drafting an amendment which used
the framework. The mayor’s salary would remain as proposed in the
legislation, at $151,000 due to the mayor’s actual work hours being
sixty per week. Council’s salary would be $30,282. She gave reasons
in support of the proposal which had phased-in increases, with a
final vote in 2027 for 2028. There would be incremental $1,500
increases per year, and in year three it would be $3,000.
Zulich added there would be phased-in salary increases for the
mayor and clerk. Using the framework, the mayor’s salary would
start at $142,490.67 and the clerk’s salary would start $101,260.
She provided reasons in support of the compromise.
Piedmont-Smith asked how the percentages were calculated and if it
was based on council working twelve hours, part-time.
Zulich said yes and the first third of the increase would be in
2025, with additional phasing in the following years.
There was discussion on how the calculation was made.
Stosberg expressed concern that the mayor’s hours were calculated
to be sixty, given the extensive work of labor to establish a forty
hour work week. The committee had opted to use twelve hours for
council as the bare minimum. She noted a councilmember had said
the work week was twenty six hours. If the proposed amendment
used sixty hours for the mayor, Stosberg preferred to use, at least,
the average of sixteen and two thirds for council.
Flaherty appreciated the discussion and proposal. He reiterated that
the goal was not based on a dollar figure, because every year there
was a COLA increase and grades changed. It was important to
restructure the discussion to say, for example, midpoint grade
thirteen, rather than focus on a specific dollar amount. Phasing in
increases included an advancing target. Regarding hours worked,
the committee had considered that the mayor likely worked more
than forty hours per week, especially in emergencies. He explained
how the committee had arrived at 30%. Setting a percentage basis
was sound and was Bloomington-specific, given the nature of its
council. He believed 20% was too low, but could possibly support
25%. He spoke about other senior leadership positions and things
like tenure pay.
Rosenbarger thanked Daily and Zulich and asked for clarification on
the phasing-in of increases. It was best to use percentages than
dollar amounts since compensation could not be fixed past 2025.
Piedmont-Smith noted that the proposed amendments were in
draft form still.
Zulich confirmed that it was the current salary plus the first third
of the increase proposed by Ordinance 2024-26. Beyond 2025 was
an expression of intent.
Rosenbarger asked for the rationale for mayor and clerk salaries.
There was additional discussion on the forthcoming rationale.
Stosberg said that the proposal set a final number and worked
backwards, but that in three years, the midpoint grade fourteen
would be different. She asked if Ruff had anything to add.
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Ruff stated that he was listening to the discussion and did not Ordinance 2024-26 (cont’d)
have anything to add.
Council discussion:
Flaherty was working on an amendment with Rosenbarger that
started council salary as a percentage of the mayor’s salary. He
believed 20% was far too low. He reiterated that the committee had
identified 30% as ideal, after considering the duties of the mayor
and other senior leaders. Currently, council pay was around 16% of
the mayor’s. He spoke about options for phasing in increases, for the
mayor and clerk. He believed the clerk was a department head. He
acknowledged that council had added responsibilities to the clerk’s
office, such as oversight of boards and commissions.
Stosberg preferred Flaherty’s phasing in plan, as it was closer to the
original proposal. She gave examples and explained why.
Piedmont-Smith asked about phasing in the clerk’s salary.
Flaherty said it would be steps one, two, or three of grade point
twelve, though he believed it should really be grade thirteen. The
amendment was a draft, and an effort to compromise.
Piedmont-Smith believed that the clerk was a department head
and should be graded at thirteen. She asked for feedback.
Rosenbarger agreed that the clerk, and council attorney, were
department heads and should be compensated accordingly.
Bloomington’s council met more than any other second class city,
and included the clerk too. Additionally, there were minutes to draft
and legislation to process, and more.
Stosberg had considered the city’s change to a fourteen grade point
range. She had requested the rubric with the list of considerations
from Human Resources (HR) as well as loose definitions of grades.
For department heads, the grades were thirteen and fourteen, and
for division heads, the grades were elven and twelve. Public Works
had been provided as an example of the differences. She had a
proposed amendment, which placed the clerk at midpoint for grade
eleven which was higher than entry point for grade twelve. She
added as a reminder that council could not lower pay for elected
officials once fixed so she preferred to start more conservatively.
Jeff Richardson believed council was a diverse representation of Public comment:
workers and spoke about perception. The original proposal was
perceived to be self-serving as well as unintended consequences.
There was discussion on extending public comment per speaker.
Ruff moved and Zulich seconded to give five minutes of public
comment per speaker, with comment to end at 10:15pm.
The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 8, Nays: 0, Abstain: 0. Vote to extend public comment
time limit per speaker [9:36pm]
Jeff Richardson continued his public comment and discussed
working over forty hours per week.
Colleen Williamson, Assistant Administrator/Legal Research
Assistant, read a comment submitted via Zoom chat by Sam Dove in
regards to firefighter salaries.
Renee Miller praised Cheryl Munson and noted her passing. She
supported the salary increase for the clerk, but for council, it should
not be a higher increase than Fishers.
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Steve Volan wished that Cheryl Munson rest in peace. He said Ordinance 2024-26 (cont’d)
anchoring bias was used when he was on council, with just a COLA.
Charlotte Zietlow had written in her book, that a typical council Public comment:
meeting before 1971 lasted five minutes, with ordinances voted on
after only reading the title. He urged council not to have reactionary
politics, especially from social media. He commented on the
committee’s work, council’s work hours, health insurance, and
more. He urged council to increase its salary to $32,000, the city’s
living wage ordinance amount. He said council could form a resident
committee to do the Ad Hoc Salary committee’s work. There was
anchoring bias in comparable second class Indiana cities. He said
the new paradigm carefully constructed by the Ad Hoc Salary
committee, and its recommendations, were reasonably
recommended.
Eric Spoonmore, President and Chief Executive Officer of the
Greater Bloomington Chamber of Commerce, recognized the passing
of Cheryl Munson. He thanked board members and commissioners
who volunteered their time with no pay or healthcare. He spoke
about businesses unable to pay their part-time employees’
healthcare and pension. He appreciated the committee’s work and
Zulich and Daily for their amendment.
Valerie Merriam acknowledged Cheryl Munson’s passing. She spoke
about the perception of the recommended increase in salaries for
elected officials and expressed disdain. She noted high cost of
property taxes, and potential tariffs under the new president. She
urged council to go slowly with any increases. She wished that
council even had Republicans; having only one party was horrible.
Williamson read a comment submitted via Zoom chat by
Bloomington Resident regarding council’s increase in salary being
greater than some full-time city employees. They urged council put
the question on the ballot for a vote.
Stosberg presented an alternative proposal and while she supported Council comments:
the committee’s framework, her proposal used a different basis for
salary studies. It focused on pay equity and the wage gap and how
COLA increases widened the wage gap. She discussed inflation,
buying-power of dollars in 2000 and 2024, and said that the
adjusted council salary should be $29,586. She spoke about Monroe
County’s approach to closing the wage gap. She acknowledged that
her methodology assumed that the wage gap in 2000 was ideal, and
that was a flawed assumption. She explained how the proposal
related to the guiding principles and noted it was not a repeatable
process; a committee would have to restart the work the following
year, preferably earlier in the year. She highlighted the gender bias
between clerk and mayor since clerks in Indiana were positions
primarily held by women. Because of those historic inequities, it
was not ideal to use the wage gap to compare salaries of mayor and
clerk. She shared sample salaries for mayor and council and gave
reasons in support, and noted that the clerk could be similar to a
division head, grade eleven.
Piedmont-Smith thanked Stosberg for her presentation. She noted
that in 2000, councilmembers were making 15% of the mayor’s
salary which was not sufficient.
Stosberg added that the current council was making only 15% of
the mayor’s salary. In the sample salaries she shared, one was at
26% and the other was 21%.
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Rollo asked Stosberg if she was proposing to set the mayor’s salary Ordinance 2024-26 (cont’d)
and if so, what it would be.
Stosberg had attempted to adhere to the committee’s framework; Council comments:
by setting the mayor’s salary first, then setting council’s salary as a
percentage of the mayor’s. She explained how she arrived at
potential salaries as a step towards correcting the wage gap.
Flaherty said it was an interesting analysis and appreciated
Stosberg’s input. He did not find it compelling as a salary basis due
to anchoring and the arbitrariness of picking 2000 as the ideal wage
gap. It departed from the values-based framework. It was relevant
to inform how salaries were affected over time.
Piedmont-Smith said putting the clerk at a midpoint grade eleven
was too low and explained why. She would compromise with a
midpoint grade twelve, given the responsibilities of a city clerk. She
noted that the Mayor Thomson had made it clear that she would not
sign any salary ordinance that was greater than a COLA increase for
elected officials, so none of the proposals discussed that evening
would be approved by the mayor. If the mayor vetoed the salary
ordinance, then council would have to meet later in December,
possibly on the 30th. Piedmont-Smith would follow up with
councilmembers for their availability.
Stosberg commented on the elected officials’ salaries and noted the
mayor had the greatest increase. It was abhorrent that the mayor
would veto any ordinance that would increase equity and pay
amongst elected officials.
Rollo appreciated council’s discussion that evening but was
concerned about perception. He expressed trepidation on raising
council’s salaries. He believed comparing Bloomington to the other
cities was defensible. He commented on the clerk’s salary and his
hesitation on raising it. If there was compelling information that the
clerk, an elected official, was like a department head, then it needed
to be presented.
Rosenbarger asked to review the committee’s recommendation.
Flaherty said it would be useful because it showed how using a
percentage of the mayor’s salary, for council’s salary, would move in
tandem with moving paygrades.
Rosenbarger appreciated the committee’s recommendation and
the intent pertaining to increases. Council’s part-time role averaged
out to 43% of a full-time job. She said there was a good work-life
balance at the city, including compensatory time off. She noted that
Fishers council only met once per month; so comparing to other
cities was not ideal. Some members of the public did not believe
council spent a lot of time on council work and she questioned that
assumption. She supported salary increases generally because
Bloomington had such a high cost of living and ways to address that
included increasing salaries. It was not appropriate to argue that
since one was not paid well, others should also not be. She
supported having a living wage and uplifting individuals.
Piedmont-Smith encouraged council to work collaboratively on
potential amendments to avoid duplicate proposals.
Stosberg stated that the committee’s recommendation addressed
the wage gap concern she had.
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Ruff referenced former councilmember Steve Volan’s comments, the Ordinance 2024-26 (cont’d)
proposals discussed that evening, the committee’s recommendation,
and council comments. He did not believe the discussion on elected Council comments:
officials’ salaries was self-serving. It was not greedy to serve as an
elected official and being properly compensated for it, it was still
community service.
Piedmont-Smith asked staff about timing for potential amendments.
Lehner said it best to not to duplicate work and to allow council
staff the time to review, compile, and distribute amendments.
Flaherty noted the legal perspective where local code required
amendments to be written and displayed prior to adoption, even
during a meeting. He gave examples.
There was additional discussion on amendments and process.
Piedmont-Smith adjourned the meeting. ADJOURNMENT [10:33pm]
APPROVED by the Common Council of the City of Bloomington, Monroe County, Indiana upon this
_____ day of March
05 ____________________, 2025.
APPROVE: ATTEST:
___________________________________ _______________________________________
Hopi Stosberg, PRESIDENT Nicole Bolden, CLERK
Bloomington Common Council City of Bloomington
Agenda
MEMORANDUM
Bloomington Common Council-Special Session
Bloomington City Hall, 401 N. Morton Street, Bloomington, Indiana
Tuesday, December 10, 2024
Meeting called to order: 7:30pm
Council President Isabel Piedmont-Smith presided.
ROLL CALL
Councilmembers present: Courtney Daily (arrived at 7:57pm), Matt Flaherty, Isabel Piedmont-Smith,
Dave Rollo, Kate Rosenbarger, Andy Ruff, Hopi Stosberg, Sydney Zulich
Councilmembers present via Zoom: none
Councilmembers absent: Isak Nti Asare
City staff, officials, and guests present: Lisa Lehner, Colleen Williamson, Clerk Nicole Bolden
AGENDA SUMMATION
Council President Isabel Piedmont-Smith gave a land and labor acknowledgment and summarized the
agenda.
DISCUSSION OF ORDINANCE 2024-26 – TO FIX THE SALARIES OF ALL ELECTED CITY OFFICIALS
FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON FOR THE YEAR 2025
MOTION: Stosberg moved, and Ruff seconded to structure the discussion.
ACTION: The motion was approved by voice vote.
MOTION: Ruff moved and Zulich seconded to give five minutes of public comment per speaker, with
comment to end at 10:15pm.
ACTION: The motion received a roll call vote of Ayes: 8, Nays: 0, Abstain: 0.
ADJOURNMENT [10:33pm]
ACTION: Piedmont-Smith adjourned the meeting.
Memorandum prepared by:
Clerk Nicole Bolden
City of Bloomington
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